The TERRIFYING REALITY of the Gravemind
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- The Gravemind is one of Halo's most terrifying entities, but today we dive deep into Halo's lore to take a lot at the true terrifying reality of the Gravemind - beyond what the games and books dare tell you...
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0:40 - The Obvious Horror
3:32 - The Deeper Horror
6:36 - The ULTIMATE Horror of the Gravemind
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You did get a bit wrong though specifically about the Primordials. Specifically for the reason that the Gravemind is the corrupted version of them, as against what you said their consciousness wasn’t woven into the fabric of existence. The Primordials literally just went insane from the betrayal, a couple of them turned themselves into dust to be revived in the future to get revenge. Sadly time corrupts and the dust got moldy and stuff.
So the results of that happening is how the Flood came into existence. Nothing to do with “the Primordials and their consciousness being woven into the fabric of reality”. (All this was specifically mentioned in the forerunner trilogy books and the terminals or whatever)
So for lack of a better word the Flood is moldy precursors lmao. And well when you take all you know about mold…. Well actually it’s pretty terrifying.
I'd like to see the flood fight the necromorphes from dead space. I wonder witch one is worse
Imagine... Santa Gravemind! With a giftbox full of infection spores and forms for the whole family. Let us enjoy our holidays now as one!
"I will ask, and you will answer"
And so you did, yay
I'll say it once I'll say it again Klyntar Vs The Flood
Flood firefight on MCC demonstrates the floods power perfectly. On heroic or legendary, every corpse must be destroyed to prevent a future enemy, every vehicle not being used can become a problem in the future. Even dying you are not safe, respawning only makes you have to encounter your infected corpse
In addition to that, at least for me, the flood becomes more and more resistant to projectile weapons as you progress through the waves. Sometimes, I had to use 30 seconds of concentrated machine gun fire to take out a single combat form.
What is the most terrifying thing about the Gravemind? Yes.
@@gundam2jimmyexactly
Did you aim at the rooted infection form? Usually that does the trick.
We need you to squeeze every flood lore out of your brain in more videos! This is peak entertainment.
that's the plan!
Now I'm thinking of how Flood juice would taste... how Flood biomass (cooked and uncooked) would taste... mmmmm...
@@CommissarChaotic Probably like raw animal fat put into a blender
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@air_water well if it's a mix of all biomass consumed then it's predominantly gonna be plant based so it's gonna be more plant like than flesh like but it will be good mix of both
The fact that they've been starved from the firing of the rings and survived all the way to CE by themselves is a testament to their resiliency
Halo warfleet has indicated that there are still really dangerous forerunner sites.. possibly flood?
@@morgannull4685 not exactly, they were used and discovered as powder in this galaxy, by ancient humans.
The reason some lived past the halo array firing is because they were also kept on rings for research
@@morgannull4685 No, the primordials came from an outside galaxy and seeded life in this galaxy. then originally chose the forerunner as inheriters of the mantle of responsibility. later they revoced this, and decided human were a better fit. the forerunners seen this as disrespect and betrayal and started a war against the primordials, pushing the primordials far enough that they decided to turn themselves into microscopic dust, to later be reformed. however the dust got curropted and changed into the flood over billions of years, and resurfaced.
@@morgannull4685with that being said. I wonder how many other galaxies it has conquered… Or, though highly unlikely, the Milky Way is the last galaxy 🫢
@@asianmanfromasia the Milky Way probably isn't the last galaxy but rather ONE of the last galaxies that is to be tested whether or not they would get the right to bear the Mantle of Responsibility or be consumed
To me, it seems like the most terrifying thing about The Flood or Gravemind is that it seems that it can truly never die. A infection and spread and can be stopped or slowed but there is always at least one spore or entity with Flood dna that can just start up another infection like it’s nothing.
Even if possible, it's highly likely that this would be technosorcery or truly advanced tech. Considering what Gravemind is, it would likely counter them.
Don’t forget it can literally talk!
Instantly clicked
Same I didn't even read the title
Saw gravemind and clicked CZcams thank you
Same
Same
I didn't even hesitate!
I LOVE the idea that the Halo rings are more of a shield than a weapon, they're not only keeping there to stop the flood within our Galaxy, but they're actually the thing keeping the flood from invading from other infected Galaxies. Heck the Milky Way could be one of the only uninfected galaxies out there left and it could be due to the Halo rings
And here we are destroying them Willie nilly not only that but the one Anders made on the ark has its firing mechanism shut off. Meaning it’d be cool if the flood could detect that from outside the galaxy
the scariest thing about the grave mind is that, it seems to be smart enough to be able to convince someone reading about it in another reality to retcon it's lore to hide the keyminds to make the infection less horrifying.
The most terrifying thing about the flood to me is something I think you alluded to in your video about the Primordial. This is the theory that the flood is not actually a distinct phenomenon from the precursors themselves, but it's just the other side of it. What if the precursors are meant to create life in the universe to collect memories and experiences and then devour it with the flood in an endless cycle, like sowing and harvesting? It would imply that the universe has probably been completely devoured by the flood multiple times, but then the flood always turns worlds barren again, reverts to becoming benevolent, life-sowing precursors, and then starts over. It would also mean that the flood's victory over the universe is inevitable, even if very slow.
That not what terrifies me, it is the ability of accessing all the previous all hiveminds which makes it over power.
That would truly bring new meaning to what the Primordial refers to as "sweetness", by which I think it meant the sum total of experiences of conscious beings including all the negative ones. In this case those experiences would be literal sweetness in the sense that they are being devoured and taste good.
Also, the Primordial at one point refers to the Precursors having been around for over 100 billion years or something (been years since I've read the books so can't remember the exact quote), which would seem to imply that they predate even this universe itself and may not be merely harvesting this universe, but may have seeded both this universe and many others before it for the purpose of harvesting.
I like that it would explain why the gravemind said the halo rings are they're salvation. It makes galaxy wide genocide easier.
What you said.
I don’t know if maybe I misunderstood something, but i thought it was pretty clear that the flood is basically god.
The primordial is an amalgam of different species… just like a protogravemind. What if the precursors are what protograveminds evolve into after millions of years?
Then they just went back to their spores form to snap back at the forerunners.
The librarian discovered other galaxies or universes iirc that were already basically one with the flood but it was not aggresive or deathly over there, just everywhere as dust.
The flood and the precursors were always one and the same. Our literal creators and the poison of existance.
I think that’s the eldritch truth halo was always about. And then 343 dropped the ball *sigh*
Neural physics does make sense. Printers are proof that supposedly inanimate objects are alive. No inanimate object could be so malevolently evil.
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The Flood is beyond overpowering and terrifying, the fact too that enough of the flood can distort time and space should be enough to make anyone scared
IT can ...Do that??
@@Tamara-tg3ho in the Greg Bear novel Halo SILENTIUM when the flood had consumed most of the galaxy before the firing of the Halos, Forerunners were detecting weird anomalies that affected time and space near heavily concentrated flood centres. So yes… they can do that if the Flood grows large enough
@@Tamara-tg3homuch like how large Celestial objects can distort time and space, some of the flood concentration centers got so vast during the hight of their power that they were exhibiting similar traits. Knowing how intelligent the flood is, it's likely that the flood knew how to manipulate this to it's advantage, either slowing or accelerating the creation of new forms and disrupting solar systems
I want to bet that, despite all of a graveminds abilities, it's going to be stumped forever by how it was defeated by a overgrown gecko and a man that has an ai that calls him stud muffin. Whenever a gravemind pops up, it's gonna try and figure that out, making little hypotheses, theories, and whatever else to explain what happened before it ever realizes that it's because the chief has all the luck in the world. Like how neural physics is beyond mortal comprehension, I feel like the gravemind, along with the primordial and the precursors, would struggle to comprehend the concept of luck.
Possibility 1 is that it will figure it out like Durandal did in the Marathon universe. It took billions of years and incredible power for it to figure out why the protagonist could win, it was because he was Destiny, and Chief is Destiny too, which is us.
Possibility 2, which i think is more likely, is that the gravemind, once advanced enough, knows already who he is, because it might be one of the 3 entities that survive between universes. The fact that the gravemind says "i am peace, i am salvation" and the Darkness in Destiny 2 says "don't you recognize us?... We are salvation", i think it might hint that it knows who we are through the screen.
The gravemind intelligence is comparable to Cortana AI, even the Forerunner AI. Their knowledge is the depth of eons and their foresight is almost godlike. Humans, even AIs think on the scale of years, the gravemind can think on the scale of centuries.
Considering the Gravemind is a ginormous supercomputer with the ability to infect anything. Yeah, it's very terrifying.
What's not terrifying, but very welcome, are these Flood lore videos. Keep them up man!
You know is I always wondered what the gravemind was pumping into Keys’s head. Is it just flood supercells or is it something he needs to do to keep keys alive, like nutrients, water, and oxygen?
Best guess: his body was flooded (no pun intended) with spores which actively infected him.
He was allowed to retain bits of his physical form while he complied; the infection was selectively slowed, but inevitable. The end result was always going to be total consumption but so long as he did as he was told/told what the gravemind wanted, he was allowed to die a slower, less total death.
With G fuel.
He was being pumped full of Pepsi Maxx
@@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger I don't remember the specifics, but in the books it was actually the opposite. Do you think Keys wanted to stay alive for longer in that horrible, painful way? No, the flood were killing him slowly so they could get the information out of his brain. It was pure hell for him, he wanted to die every second of his existence in that state.
@@Your-Least-Favorite-StrangerIn the book, Keyes doesn't comply at any point. Similar to Cortana, the Gravemind is basically ripping into and apart all of Keyes' memories, digging for secrets and usable information, while Keyes is desperately trying to keep that information secluded, and trying to keep his identity/sanity intact.
Cortana is dealing with something similar. I suspect this is why she is repeating her designation details in Halo 3. Keyes talks about trying to just hold onto his own name in the book; Cortana has lots more info to feed the Gravemind and keep it off her back longer, but by the end even she was struggling to remember who she was.
The thing with the logic plague has sparked a horrifying idea in my mind. What if the Gravemind turned Cortana into a sort of sleeper agent while she was imprisoned? She could have possibly done something on Zeta Halo to further the plans of the Flood.
A long-running theory that I 100% believe, at the very least, to have been true at one point in time is that Cortana was infected with the Logic Plague after entering the Domain, as it is Precursor in Origin, therefore the Flood likely have access to it. Her actions in Halo 5 make no sense otherwise, and this would have been a very intelligent plan on the Flood’s part. Use the Guardians to EMP everything, leaving the Galaxy completely defenseless and extremely vulnerable to a Flood invasion.
Possible. Current lore points to a repetition of history.
Cortana is the new Mendicant Bias.
Her sister-duplicate is the new Offensive Bias.
I'm still joping her name is either Joyeuese or Durindana.
this was actually the leading theory on halo 6 basically up until Infinite came out. 343 ruined another good idea though.
It's the most reasonable explanation and the explanation that I believe. Cortana must have the logic plague. She was imprisoned on High Charity for a month, more than enough time to be broken.
I also suspect that Cortana isn't dead. Atriox was supposed to be dead, and he isn't. Johnson should've died twice in CE. Stacker and Chips also should be dead as well. Cortana herself should've died at the end of H4 but she miraculously survived. Until we see a body...
Its also too good of a story line to let it slip by.
@@AnonTDegenerate It wasn`t ruined, it just hasn`t been developed in Infinite as much as some people hoped it would be, the game had a diferent focus. But if anything, it hasn`t debunked the logic plague theory and actualy gave some aditional hints to it. The Endless are strongly implied to have a conection to the Flood/Precusors and are immune to the effect of halo, literaly the only known weapon that can stop an outbreak once it developed far enough, and "Saturn devouring his son" novel reveals that an outbreak IS ongoing somewhere in the distant corners of the galaxy, with Flood likely acumulating the biomass without making it`s presence known to the main powers of the galaxy who have the ability to theoreticaly stop it at an early stage, just like it did before atacking Foreruners. Cortana`s actions weakened the galactic powers sugnificantly, and she also wanted to release the Endless, who were instead released by Atriox in an epilog. Should the Flood just attack and merge with them, making haloes inefective, they will be almost unstopable.
Imagine how cool a gravemind boss fight would be, dodging it’s giant tentacles and it summoning flood hordes would be sick. Is a shame we never got to see the gravemind outside of cutscenes
Isn’t the gravemind like the smartest being alive, dodging some tentacles sounds too easy lol
@@groovecrusader2715 I mean there would obviously be more to it than that it was just a basic idea, i really wanted some form of player interaction with it
Iirc there was supposed to be a fight against him in Halo 3 where you'd break through high charity with a scarab.
They had that planned for halo 2,where you would fight your way to it's lair in a forerunner tank, taking out tentacles along the way.
Alas, they couldnt implement it due to halo 2 rushed and troublesome development
sounds like that original re4 boss fight with the short noble guy
I’ve always wanted to make a game where you are a forerunner warrior fighting the flood during that war. Unfortunately I have no knowledge of coding. But damn, I’d love to see this happen. And since there’s so much variety in the flood, it won’t just feel like another constant play through of the mission Cortana
Would've been cool if there was a studio set up that could've made games like this.... 😂
I am a programmer and I had this idea for quite a while now. The only thing stopping me are the 3d models (i'm no artist) and rights to the franchise.
@@hitarthpadaliya2621 to get around the copyright, you could make it as a DLC sized mod which many have already been working on
I can draw but I’m with you I don’t know how to do 3D art. But honestly that might not be so hard since we have access to all these alternate and cut flood forms
Anyway, I love to hear that others have a similar idea. Hell, I even made entire story drafts for this and the lore reasons as to why foot soldiers are sent in the middle of this when orbital bombardment would be better. I love fighting the flood and all zombies really. I’m never satisfied with the flood levels because I feel like it’s not enough. I crave more
Btw one of my ideas was plugging your forerunner ancilla into a console and being able to control an enforcer sentinel. How cool would it be to hover around and bombard with one of those? That’s just one little thing though. There’s so much more that wouldn’t fit into a CZcams comment
@@paytonallen1027 Sounds amazing. I'll do more research on the mods. I am basically a game dev and know Unity and Unreal. So, I think I'll have to learn the Halo engines as well. I think it'll be an exciting journey.
@@hitarthpadaliya2621 hope you strive for success with great games. And hope to share more ideas sometime too
To me the most terrifying part of the gravemind is that now matter how many times you kill it it always seems to come back with little to no effort like there was a gravemind on a halo ring and no one knew until it was far too late
The Flood and the Necromorphs are my favorite sci-fi horror themes, shame both of them are somewhat dormant these days.
They are like tyranids
@@shanegrimes3455Nah. Tyranids, in my opinion, are better (and I dislike them as an enemy). The Tyranids at the very least only have numbers and physical force at their command. The Hivemind isn't some galactic brain cosmic entity crammed into a shell; As far as we know, it is just the collective gestalt consciousness of the Tyranids themselves. The Tyranids can, and have been beaten back in physical conflicts (it's just difficult) and their horror comes from the fact that they just keep coming.
The Gravemind is something that by all accounts should never lose. It's an enemy that is far smarter than any of writers that created it; but it can't actually be as powerful as it is supposed to be, because it's written by normal people.
It's basically a badly written SCP that had the benefit of being part of one of the best designed FPS franchises and so it's held up on a pedestal.
Flood horror game needs to happen, I’m imagining like sneaking through blight lands or something crazy like that would be so fun
I've seen mods for combat evolved that somewhat resemble that
I've always wondered how the Gravemind had enough biomass on Delta Halo to come to existence. I mean it was even locked inside the Quarantine Zone so how the hell did the flood gather enough biomass there?
Apparently the Halos have wild-life on it. So its possible they were just consuming wildlife for thousands of years. (The actually escaped containment like 10,000 years before the events of Halo 2 its just with no viable combat forms nothing that could break past the sentinels anyway) they were just stuck in a stalemate until these silly Human and Covenant brought them fresh bodies and weapons.
Luc what type of campaign do you most want to see next?
literally anything at this point bro i am STARVING
You brought me back to my first ever encounter of the Flood in the first game. You somehow managed to catch that feeling of the ever hungry, unknown cosmic entity that’s just now Noticing You. Great video!
the scariest thing is when the Gravemind stage is realized, its the same mind/consciousness of the Primordial, a literal god like being aka a Precursor
Maybe that is what they actually are, the Precursors.
Also i know your a halo lore CZcamsr and such but is there a way to make a comparison video of the knowledge strength and other capabilities for the Flood, the alien Xenomorphs, the dead space Necromorphs and the Warhammer 40k tyranids like which one of those is the most terrifyingly smart and deadly in their views of annihilation, purpose, desire and conquest over their respective universes? I haven't found anyone whose done that kind of video if you were able I'd love to see it to understand the very magnitude that they impose
Ask eckharts ladder
Pretty sure I saw Eckharts ladder working with someone else do a Flood Vs Tyranids breakdown. Tyranids ended up coming out on top in an all-out slugging competition because of the seemingly bottomless well of genetic information the Tyranid hive mind can draw from to create resistances to infection forms, the psychic ability of many tyranid forms, and the general over-the-top nature inherent to all factions in 40K.
@@kadewiedeman3127 Trynids will still be eaten and are not immuned while the flood can just make more effective combat units.
@@TgamerBio5529 ... Dude I feel like talking to you about this is gonna be like beating my head in a wall l, so at the end of the day it's all you, brother. None of it's real anyways.
Leave warhammer out of it.. doesnt even deserve to be in the same breath as the others.
The gravemind in Halo 2 essentially orchestrated the latter half of the game so it could prevent its own destruction and consume high charity at the same time.
While below the library, it knew about the prophet of regret, and consumed him before the area was glassed to gain knowledge about the covenant and the great schism. It then sent the Arbiter to stop Delta Halos activation, and sent MC to cause a distraction on high charity. During all of this, it consumed the entire frigate In Amber clad within an hour, and then teleported the entire ship into High Charity. Then it leveraged the chaos of the great Schism and Master Chiefs chase to consume the entire city within a Day.
That's not just coordination, the gravemind was using genius tactics with surgical precision, and it essentially hamstrung one of the most powerful alien alliances in the galaxy in a matter of hours.
Yk what this makes me think of, would it be possible for the flood to find a way to infect something that is metaphyical or spiritual? Could the flood at a later stage be able to fight and/or infect souls? Or even further, angels and demons?
That would require them to encounter said entities and I'm not sure if they really exist in Halo's universe, but it's a terrifying yet cool idea to think about.
Yes, very likely, that's in the lore i believe, the flood is capable of warping the concepts of the universe itself, very likely tying to the darkness in the Destiny franchise, which is something that interacts with souls all the time
It did get transferred with the sould of a human when the forerunner tried that.
We need to see the flood return again in a new halo campaign or DLC
I think the scariest thing is that if it wasn't for the hubris of the forerunners, the flood would never have existed in the first place.
Or wouldn't be as malevolent.
Ehm, AKCHUALLY…
The forerunner book trilogy implies that the flood is already present in many more galaxies than the milky way.
Probably everywhere and that’s the “horrible truth” that the primordial had to share
Some cool video ideas could be something like “In Defense for the Flood: What if the Gravemind is in the right? Was the Gravemind’s rampage across the galaxy retribution for what the Forerunners did to the Precursors? Should we empathize with the parasite?”
I would love to see a deep dive into the philosophy of the Flood.
To a degree the Gravemind is right and the forerunners are at fault for most things that happened in the halo universe. The forerunners turning against the precursors proved exactly why they weren't chosen to inherit the mantle of responsibility and the Gravemind being the last precursor fueled purely by revenge for what the forerunners had done to his race. Really, the halo universe is an incredible Greek tragedy with the precursors being a cosmic horror that could have been avoided and are a shell of their former selves.
This is why I'm hoping the endless are revealed to be precursors as it would open the door for this type of topic to come up in the games or books and how the endless would react to seeing what became of the old precursors.
bro fucking gravemind psyop
Real Installation 04 Patriots know to always trust the didact!
Personally I suspect the Endless are a last creation(?) of the Precursors, perhaps partly made out of their own dna, or patterns... as either a test, or a loophole, for the Mantle...@@AxisChurchDevotee
@@chrissonofpear1384 The harbringer does things that really sound like the precursors. She drove a marine insane which sounds like the logic plague and her constant teleporting and time travel stuff sounds like neural physics which only the gravemind and precursors had.
@@AxisChurchDevotee No, the Gravemind isn't right. Their motivations can be sympathetic, but they are not right.
You can understand something without thinking it's correct in its actions.
The most terrifying thing for me has to be how the Gravemind comes into being in the first place! The amount of biomass needed to make one of those things, let alone something THAT big...
I've seen a terrifying theory about the Gravemind before. It went that due to Halo's religious themes, the flood and Gravemind are essentially... Heaven. Only, of course, the spite of The Primordial twisted it into a hellish state of eternal suffering.
The theory supported itself with the Forerunner's attempts to digitise and reconstruct infected people into uninfected bodies but the bodies just turned into flood upon being reunited, the notion that being infected by the flood, with the whole living universe Neural Physics, being infected by the flood essentially infects your very soul and since they all become merged with 'The Timeless Chorus' that is the Gravemind, it's basically the afterlife but it's evil and hates you, yes you specifically.
I thought that's a pretty damningly horrifying part of the flood!
The Flood follows a lot of Eldritch Horror tropes and the Neural Physics aspect is essentially the Sublime. If we were to see an entity like that in real life, many might willingly give themselves over to it simply because the allure of the Sublime is overwhelming
Hey hidden xperia. Do you think the precursors seeded other galaxies? Could there be entirely other intelligent beings made by the precursors outside the milky way? Each with their own battles with the precursors
I never get tired of flood talk. You’re a real one for doing these!
I watch a lot of your flood content a few years back and thought this was the same vid then saw the date and insta clicked. Thank you for all the videos they're great quality and helped me take my mind off life when I needed it the most. Good job and happy new year
My theory for why some species (such as the sharkoi) are resistant to the flood is that they came about independent from the precursors so the flood would have no knowledge of their physiology which I theorise to be the reason why they can infect most life instantly
If this is true, wouldn't it mean if the flood were thrown in another universe like say the mass effect universe the humans there would be as resilient to infection?
@@AxisChurchDevoteeFlood infect hosts through their nervous system last I knew; it's why Sgt. Johnson couldnt be infected (his nervous system was out of whack due to past exposure to covenant tech. Specifically, he captured and used so many sticky grenades that the radiation caused lasting damage to his body. When flood tried to infect him they broke off some dna, which his body repurposed to promote his healing ability, but he was left completely safe).
The Sharkoi not being able to be infected means they're like Sgt. Johnson in some way (out of whack) or like Hunters: they lack a central nervous system and are incompatible with infection.
@@AxisChurchDevoteeMaybe not, since humans from Halo and Mass Effect have the same biology, but other species on the other hand.
As soon as one is infected, they'd know everything they need to efficiently infect it further.
The flood needs to be inn the next campaign story for sure
I do wonder if there is a race the flood fear . A race that is not only immune to the flood but can wipe them out with out firing the Halo array. I have not heard of anything like that but truthfully as massive as this universe is, I can honestly say it is not too far fetched of an idea.😎
Hunters are immune due to lacking a central nervous system.
@Your-Least-Favorite-Stranger Technically no its just Hunters are a combination of many worms (Hunters are a bunch of Lekgello worms that shape themselves into that) the Flood therefore can't make Hunter Combat forms but in theory they could infect each individual worm but that just isn't worth the trouble
I've always loved the ability/ concept of the Logic Plague that's what has always made me give the gravemind the one up!
Considering that Cortana didn't get infected by the gravemind means that Cortana must be one hell of a strong ai
I wonder how long it would have taken for Cortana to sucumb to the logic plague? It took 43 years for Mendicant Bias to be infected
It was close though. In Halo 3 as you're making your way to her she begins falling to the Logic Plague. Had Chief been even a few minutes later than he was, Cortana would have been done for and Halo would've ended in a very different way
I think I know how to beat the gravemind permanently, it would be super complicated but could technically work. So we know the gravemind wants the domain. But what if we just give it the domain and trap it there? Wipe out every bit of the flood in the universe away wile the gravemind enters the domain then trap it there, so the gravemind is still woven into existence but can’t access our plane of existence. Obviously that would also mean the all access into the domain would have to be destroyed. But that could work right?
I have another idea like this. If you haven't read the forerunner trilogy by Greg Bear, starting with Cryptum, and then the subsequent Renegades trilogy by Kelly Gay, starting with Smoke and Shadow, this idea will have spoilers.
I don’t remember what you called them, but I love that those planet sized graveminds look like High Charity. Almost as if High Charity was doomed to be overrun with flood at some point
Mate, first and foremost, I've been watching your videos for years, and I will literally never pass up a flood-themed video that you produce! Your knowledge, but better yet, your ability to tell the terrifying tale in such an addictive yet entertaining manner leaves me without words worthy of a proper compliment. Truly, Luc, 343 should hire you to be their permanent narrator for any books, commentaries, or documentaries going forward.
On a completely unrelated second note, you look awesome! You've gotten absolutely jacked, and if they don't give you the esteemed position of narrator, I believe you should be given the role of a live action Spartan or ODST in their next program! You're the man, keep it up, and finish the fight.
We need more flood lore! Oh and a zombie apocalypse game based on the flood
My question would be if the flood accomplished it's goal of total unification what would it do? Restart life creating new species etc? Surely the primordial/gravemind wouldn't just exist in a grotesque form ad infinitum I think it would grow tired of solidarity and would want to restart as no artist is ever truly is satisfied with a single work (speaking to the primordials whom created life in the halo universe). Now I wouldn't want to be consumed but I understand the logic of the flood ultimately it's goal is perfect order, but it simply can't exist without chaos. And the gravemind has to know that so what's the real goal, or rather what's the gravemind afraid of?
This channel is one of those channels you can binge watch because his halo lore and knowledge is so extensive it keeps you deeply immersed aswell as enthralled!
The Gravemind is the greatest threat to the Halo universe. It's influence is so great its directly responsible for the conflicts in Halo 4 and 5, demonstrating that even when the Flood don't physically appear, they are still responsible for every conflict thus far in the franchise. The Ur-Didact's attack in Halo 4 was the result of the Gravemind corrupting his mind and purposely letting him go so that he would sow pain and misery. He also corrupted Cortana between Halo 2 and 3, and her entire attempted conquest of the galaxy in Halo 5 was the result of that corruption.
The Flood need to return. They are THE enemy of the Halo franchise.
Realizing how truly powerful the flood is and how they have endless knowledge of everything before your existence. Goes to show how fucking tough captain keys is in the books he fights the grave mind off for quite some time a mental game and physical one as well. Being physically tormented by the infection and mentally tormented by the grave mind who knows all your fears and terrors and also knows all the deepest darkest fears of everything it has consumed before to use as a weapon against keys. God damn soldier ol captain keys was!
I'm a simple man.
I see HiddenXperia, I watch HiddenXperia.
If I see HiddenXperia Flood lore video? I watch it even harder!
its power to teleport would have been interesting to hear about
Despite all these advancements, the flood still has one weakness. Master Chief's overpowered luck stat.
One thing I'd love to see, fragments of the gravemind controlling high level flood such as infected spartans.
Babe wake up, HiddenXperia flood video just dropped
I forget that infected High Charity was that close to Earth before the Gravemind redirected it to the Ark... scary
The blight stalker is a really cool idea. The only problem I have with it it's two symmetrical. I'm used to the flood being unsymmetrical abominations of flesh and bone
Thank you so much for these. I love it when you update me on this stuff
You're my favorite Halo information channel.
Ayyyy appreciate it legend ❤
@@HiddenXperia yes sir 🙌
these kind of hiddenX videos are what keep me going
I never skip a video about Old Gravy
"The gate has been unlatched, headstones pushed aside. Corpses shift and offer room, a fate you must *abide.* "
Ironically the thing that really scared me about the Gravemind is how it tapped into the teleportation grid and easily sent Chief and the Arbiter on a mission.
He sent Chief directly into High Charity like it wasn't a giant citadel city with crazy amounts of security, AND he pinpointed the right place to put him in that massive structure--right next to the Prophets.
He did consume Regret who would know this information so it makes sense the Gravemind would know. Add to all the minds the flood ever consumed the Gravemind would be a master strategist and security breaker expert and it shouldn't be an issue for the flood to counter high charity's defenses.
@@AxisChurchDevotee That's true!! Completely forgot about that.
Loved the section on the Logic Plague! Something that most people neglect to think of when discussing the logic plague: AIs control a LOT of systems in the UNSC, so.. imagine the gravemind pulling a system shock across an entire fleet. That’s not even counting AIs in use for public infrastructure on habitable locations, too. Freaky shit.. 😬
One of your best videos in a while brother. Keep up the great work
Love the Halo content HiddenXperia makes fr.
1:29 @HiddenXperia think you could do the conversions to SI in the future perhaps ? I like just being meditative and droning when listening to your lore videos, which I love, and the sudden necessity to compute a little bith of math kinda draws me out of the flow. I hope that's not too much to ask
Cheers for the content, awesome storytelling
The idea that every other galaxy in existence is controlled by the Flood is peak cosmic horror
Love the vid! Your videos have been straight FIRE
So here's just a minor lore idea, WHAT IF there were such a thing as Flood-inspired Super Soldiers/Spartans created by Oni? What I mean by this is something akin to Sergeant Johnson's flood immunity, but utilizing some tampered or reverse-engineered flood DNA in a way to regenerate or heal lost body tissue or organs. I imagine that'd be extremely foolhardy and risky, but the idea of it does seem interesting, think something like Resident Evil's Nemesis as an example or even Mr X.
I like the idea, but also, Sgt. Johnson doesn't have an "flood immunity" it's just harder to infect the nerves of a Spartan and we all know Sgt. Johnson was basically a Spartan-1.
Edit: I also remembered that the flood infection resilience doesn't mean Spartans are safe, as we know from the most recent flood lore of a spartan team infection.
Yet we never get to fight a grave mind. Which would of been awesome
The flood and the zombies from Call Of Duty are my 2 favorite parasite like creatures in Sci fi but the flood are way scarier than zombies from Call Of Duty.
Ok, now you HAVE to do a flood/gravemind vs Tyrannids from Warhammer. They’re scary similar and I honestly think it’s the only thing Warhammer armies might have trouble with, minus Necrons for the same reason Tyrannids don’t mess with Necrons. No biomass, and their weapons disintegrate all biomass they contact
Oh yeah, been waiting for this one! 👏
"and that make's absolutely no sense"
people that knows hermetism and the principle of mentalism knowing that make a lot of sense
The terrifying lore behind the gravemind is that after infecting a host he forces said host to subscribe to HiddenXperia
I saw you in person (the chef remember😁) and I am greatful I did! love the vids man ❤
Another way to look at it is that a Gravemind is a fallen angel. In the fiction, it is depicted as having the knowledge and power of extra-dimensional realms combined with the knowledge and power of our physical realm, but rather than using extra-dimensional properties to create its kingdom it steals biomass from lifeforms and makes a giant landscape of play dough.
In reality, fallen angels have the knowledge and power of our physical realm and the knowledge of extra-dimensional realms but they lack the power thereof, and lacking that power will allow God to quarantine them in the Lake of Fire.
The Flood has the ability to assess the genetic code of any given species and use that information to create the perfect predator for them, even psychologically, using motifs of fear hidden deep in our psyche, leftovers of the evolutionary process, genetic memory, genetic fear.
I was about to switch to a different Halo video but then I caught this video in my feed at the last second, went back, and then clicked on this video instead thinking "I'll listen to this n- wait, is that a HiddenXperia video? I need to watch that"
The Flood are absolutely terrifying. Amazing breakdown I have heard it all at one time or another but I will never pass up anything Flood related!
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Been following this channel for sevetal years.
While I always knew about Neural physics and that gravemind memories are inherited, I had overlooked that those memories all stem from 1 character alone: the primordial.
For 100,000 years, the flood were essentislly a 1-man army all controlled by the primirdial itself.
This means that the voice of the gravemind we all heard in Halos 2 & 3 is actually the voice and words of the Primordial.
This right here? This is why I will maintain that in almost any other universe outside of Halo, the flood would body nearly every sci-fi faction ever written. Warhammer, Star Wars, B5, even with their most powerful entities and super weapons would all be flood food against a full grave mind. I think that the rollicking roller coaster of playing as master chief makes us all forget how close humanity came to extinction in Halo 3. Were it so easy.
Nah not Warhammer 40k the flood could probably compete in 40k but they wouldn’t dominate. Everything else you said though sure.
@obwolf The Nids, Nurgle, and Necrons would probably be very apprised to the fload and exterminate it at all costs. Thr flood would have alot of enemy's actually as they would disrupted the natraul order or come to rival other consuming factions.
@@bullbuster944Definitely not something that I had thought of! You’ve made me remember how easy it is to forget too that Warhammer is practically FULL of gravemind level threats, whereas the flood have practically free reign and no competition in that regard in their home universe.
On a side note, I would still love to see a tyranid vs flood smack down. I’ve always wondered whether or not each other could more or less “out-assimilate” each other. 🤔
@noahhiner5888 Flood wants all existences to perish where's everything else relies on existence to continue. The Floods goal is to end all life that every other faction needs for food or to be impowerd like chsos. The flood is comple twist of nature that even chaos would vomit at.
new to the channel but gotta say, anytime I hear Blow Me Away I gotta smile. That alone deserves a sub, BB is an awesome band.
ayyyy thanks chief, a man of taste I see! Welcome :)
The fact that the flood is basically a bridge between unknowable cosmic horrors and the dangers of messing with bioengineering we don’t understand in sci-fi is perhaps to me the most terrifying aspect about the flood
I love the gravemind, spookiest boi in all of gaming
If you found a way to destroy the Primordial's consciousness, would that render the Gravemind a brainless mass of flesh and forever trap the Flood in the Feral Stage?
Most likely since the primordial is the mind controlling the flood and deleting what is essentially a magic version of cloud storage would do the job tho it's likely impossible given it would mean someone would have to master neural physics which even the forerunners couldn't do.
Don’t know if any halo books or lore covered this, but was there any left over flood on earth after the shipmaster glassed half the continent?
Looking forward to the Logic Plague video, I’ve always wondered a few things like if it can spread to AI that don’t have free will, or if infected AI can spread the logic plague to other AI without the need of the flood’s physical presence.
Thanks for doing these lore videos, this is what I look for heh
Been loving these lore videos
Your lore videos are my favorite. Ever think of doing more lore for other games?
Didnt expect a post now but im all for it
Imagine being up against one of the creators of all life in this galaxy, backed up by houndrets of billions of years of fighting experience, intricate understanding of all kinds of technology up to a point where even the creators of that technology can't keep up, uploaded into an amalgam of millions of brains and, just for good measure, packed into the body of a kaiju, which consists of powered-up stem cells, that can replace any lost biomass, or reform into any shape, at will.
I think that sums it up.
Oh, don't forget that it has like ... trillions of bodies, in all kind of shapes, all controlled by it in the same time.
Love your vids and imo youtubers like you are the only reason halo stilll has a fan base. Keep it up! Hopefully youll get more gritty mayerial to work with eventually
The idea of the Flood being transgalactic in the Forerunner-Flood war: I find that possible. The way that the Gravemind called suffering sweetness, it all just seemed like the universe itself was alive and it was malevolent. What if, hypothetically, there are no galaxies in the Halo universe with life? The Milky Way is the last one with life, and the only one to have survived The Flood? It's an interesting idea and I would love to see a game or story series where we go beyond the Milky Way and start to find that everything is gone and just The Milky Way is left
og type hiddenxperia halo lore videos are my favs
I saw this video in my feed and I swear I didn’t even think about it, I just clicked and smashed the like and subscribe buttons while learning about evil alien viruses
to me, it’s not one thing that makes it so terrifying, is the fact that all of these things combined that makes it an unstoppable, terrifying threat, something so strong, that so smart and so coordinated with all of its forms at once, plus the fact that not even artificial intelligence is safe
WOOO! This is an early floodmas gift
I think it would be cool if you did a video on why the Gravemind didn't kill Chief and Arbiter in Halo 3 after the Ark was deactivated. I find it kind of weird that such a powerful being didn't kill likely the two most dangerous enemies of the flood when he had the chance. Now, it's obviously poetic license but I was wondering if there is any lore regarding that.
It thinks theyre cool
The ark was still in existence at that point, maybe it realized only those two could actually destroy the ark.
Of course, it doesn't want them to know that so it fought them.