Controversial pastor Creflo Dollar reverses stance on tithing in church
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- čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
- Pastor Creflo Dollar is known for his greed and lavish lifestyle. However, he is now turning his back on tithing. It comes as a big surprise after he once asked his church members to fund millions for a private jet. Church leaders share their own stance on the practice.
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What the hell it he talking about!!! He's conflating OFFERING with A CHARGE for a service!!!
They have it all wrong. So sad
You're 1000% correct
Right! smh that was foolishness
Exactly.... damn shame
They don't want to let that mighty dollar go. We are to give as we have purposed in our hearts not out of need. Tithes were crops and cattle not money. These churches are dying out and they can't handle it.
Tidings was never money it was food ten percent of your seed your crops
Well then tithe your maize barley & stuff
If you NEED someone to always lead you, there will always be someone to mislead you.
We should pray about everything. And listen for God voice!
Amen
BOY. SHE DONT WANT TO GIVE UP THAT MONEY
" The church cannot survive without tithes and offering" Where do you get that in the bible?
Fools think like that.
This guy is a fraud. This is what the tithe is for. There shouldn't be any anxiety or angst when tithing. Once you learn this you will never look at tithing the same again.
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Dude wit the hat on is off. An offering is different than a payment for service.
Agreed
I think what he was trying to say, in everything we do we pay. Only when it comes to church people withhold their money. Tithing is a command from God, before the Law was established. In fact, before the Govt gave welfare and food stamps, it was the church that helped their community. Unfortunately, wolves in sheep's clothing, the false pastors and prophets that misuse and milk the ppl. I am a tither and I give cheerfully. BUT I also see where the money is going and no extravagant lifestyles of our Pastor either.
An "offering" is different from a "tithe." Tithing is NOT synonymous with giving.
Abraham may have given a tenth of the spoils of war, prior to the law, but he also made animal sacrifices before the law. Should we make animal sacrifices too?
Many of these learned pastors even those refuting Creflo themselves fall short of such basic knowledge . Good point there.
We don't make animal sacrifices anymore because Christ is the ultimate sacrifice to atone for our sins. Animals were used prior to the cross for atonement and because there was no form of currency.
Abraham lived by the law according to scripture.
@@UniquelyVickie I'm not sure where you're getting all this, scripturally speaking. I mean, I agree that Christ is the ultimate sacrifice for sins, but it is because He fulfilled the law, as He stated was His purpose in Matt. 5. The law pointed to Him. Col. 2:17 says that the law was the shadow of things to come, but not the substance. Christ was the substance, the reality that the shadows pointed to. He was its fulfillment. Otherwise we would need a very specific verse like "Now stop making animal sacrifices!" But it doesn't exist. We know those things are done away with because Christ fulfilled the law...all of it. Also, Paul tells us repeatedly in Romans chapters 6 and 7 that we are "free from the law," "have died to the law," and are "not under the law."
As for there not being a form of currency, I would point to Genesis 37:28 where Joseph was "sold" for 20 pieces of silver. And in Gen. 23, Abraham bought a burial plot for Sarah for 400 shekels of silver. Both of these are money. They had money. They used money. Not only before the law, but even more so after the law was instituted. I encourage you to look further into this issue of tithing as it relates to the old and new covenants. The difference between old and new covenant can be a huge revelation for the believer. Blessings!
@@elvisjonesjr3369 If you're referring to Gen. 26:5, it's helpful to understand that the word translated in some versions of that verse as "laws" doesn't exclusively refer to the law as delivered to Moses and the children of Israel. An additional meaning of the Hebrew term is "instructions" or "teachings" or some other such synonym. So it would be presumptuous for us to assume that God secretly (at least it isn't recorded in scripture) delivered the same "Law" to Abraham that he made a huge deal about delivering to Moses and Israel later on. It is much more plausible to assign this instance of the term the same meaning that the Hebrew word has in other instances where it isn't referring to the Law of Moses. You see, the Law of Moses had many commands in it relating to the tabernacle, which hadn't been created yet, among other things that simply didn't apply to Abraham. He literally wasn't able to obey so many of God's "laws" (if we're calling them laws in the Mosaic sense), simply by virtue of them pertaining to collective Israel and their tabernacle service, among other things. But if we render the Hebrew word in Gen. 26:5 as "instructions," as many translations do, it actually makes sense. Abraham did obey God's "instructions," even though he didn't have the Mosaic law and was therefore unable to obey the Mosaic law. Additionally, this lines up with other usages of the Hebrew word in contexts that are definitely not referring to Mosaic law. Blessings!
He's made enough money over the years so of course he can afford to change his stance.
AMEN
Exactly
You just sceptical maybe by nature.
Exactly, it's all a ploy to further convince people "he's genuine" it's an old hustle, I'll pretend I did something bad and didn't know about it but I'll admit to it to try to retain people and gather new people oh look at me I'm so honest he's a fraud!!!!!!
Made a killing, living large. Time for pastors to get a job or start a business. $5 a month should be adequate and watch what happens. Lol. And only if pastors teaching scriptures, no omissions, falsehoods, nor deviate from scriptures. Lol.
Seems like they’re more interested in the money. Not one time did they mention about being called. The Bible speaks of false prophets.
That's the theme of their arguments, they scared of losing money from church folk
yeah, I’m concerned about the focus here.
For Those 2 Pastors Who Support Christians Giving Tithes And Everyone Else, I Ask This Question: Did The Disciples, Apostles, Paul, Timothy And Their Companions In Ministry Collect Tithes? Yes Or No
These two pastors are an embarrassment for the truth of the Gospel and for the truth as it is in the bible on that subject of the tithe. The two of them need to listen again to all that video, from that other pastor who explained many of the truths of that topic of the tithe. He is very close on the truth of tithing and giving money (offering) in the local church. In other words: The truth that we heard new from that pastor who recognized his mistake on that tithing issue. That new truth that is biblical that has always been in the bible. It is like that of many other pastors who already recognized his errors, who taught them about that subject of the tithe that was not according to the bible. Amen.
Agree.These People are money hungry blood thirsty lunatics taking poor People's money. Now they are worried on what He said.A woman Pastor.A no from me.Im never going to Her Church.1 Timothy states clearly that women in Church should remain Silent.
You saw her house in the background. Jesus never attached himself to materialistic desires like these idiots do.
Shame on all these People. Trying to justify him as wrong but don't see their own dirt.
I believe in Praying in silence of my own house.
I don't need someone telling me something I already know and oh yeh.Know better than them.
No.
Even Jesus did not tithe.
Did he just compare paying for services and church offerings?🤦♂️
BASICALLY CHARGING FOR WHAT HE IS PREACHING….BY FORCE USING 10 % LAW WHICH CONTRADICTS NEW TESTAMENT WHICH IS BASED ON GRACE AND NOT LAW. MY WORRY IS FOR THE PEOPLE THEY ARE LEADING…..BY OBEYING LAW, WE ARE MAKING THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST OF NO EFFECT. I’M VERY WORRIED….MANY CHRISTIANS ARE ON THEIR WAY TO HELL AND THEY HAVE THEMSELVES TO BLAME…..IF THEY READ THEIR BIBLES, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO QUICKLY DESCERN FALSEHOOD
Jude 1:4-5 the crept in are out there
Biblical, systematic tithes weren't gifts or offerings, they were compulsory submissions of consumable items specifically purposed towards the Levitical theocracy (who didn't own land), the poor (every 3 years) and for consumption and sharing at the festivals. There's no such thing as a biblical tithe received from earned wages.
Touche’
fact !!
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A church that I was a member of put the tithe/offering box at the rear of the church, behind the last row of seats entering the sanctuary. Nobody guarded it.
When it was time to give, everybody put their money in the slot on top.
My point is many people don't give because of the shame that many churches put on people for not giving enough when the plate is passed.
Did you ever noticed that when the plate is passed, many people have their dollars folded or crumpled because they don't want anybody to see what they put in. That's shame. We are supposed to be cheerful givers not shamed givers.
PEOPLE NEED TO READ AND BE LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT FOR THEMSELVES!!
These two pastors are an embarrassment for the truth of the Gospel and for the truth as it is in the bible on that subject of the tithe. The two of them need to listen again to all that video, from that other pastor who explained many of the truths of that topic of the tithe. He is very close on the truth of tithing and giving money (offering) in the local church. In other words: The truth that we heard new from that pastor who recognized his mistake on that tithing issue. That new truth that is biblical that has always been in the bible. It is like that of many other pastors who already recognized his errors, who taught them about that subject of the tithe that was not according to the bible. Amen.
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Nothing is wrong with offerings but when leadership is fleecing the lambs and living the high lifestyle off the backs of poor people, that is wrong. The pastor needs a salary like everybody else, and that's all he gets. He has to budget like everyone else and if he needs extra, then go and find an extra job like everyone else. The great Apostle Paul had a job as a tent make.
@Cora Cee, Superb!
Well done
My grandmother struggled but could never get help from the church she always sent her money to, the pastor lived extremely well while grandma didn't have heat!
That’s been the problem for decades this has to stop judgment has already started in the church but they just don’t care.
WHAT ABOUT YOUU? ARE YOU A TITHER?
@@sandindamae.iwantmetowin5652 yes to my family!
Problem is our people we all of us as a people love to hear lies and not truth thinking we can buy salvation while is the Word of God when TMH (God) it's a Gift freely receive freely give but instead we but our trust in man not God having the Bible in our hand and refuse to hear God speaking for Himself because we don't want to labour in the truth and work out our own Salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12) neither do we want to study to sure ourselves approve unto God a workman that needs not to be ashame but rightful dividing the Word of Truth ( 2 Tim.2::15) and this is simply because we don't believe in our CREATOR we just want to give Him lip service and do as we wish and think that we will suffer no consequences fro this hypocrisy.
I guess we just love deceiving ourselves and as we can see ain't nothing good will ever come from us beguiling our own selves talking this life as just fun and games.
Time to wake up my people and serve the true living God (Spirit of God) and stop being led by ourselves flesh always having and holding on to our fleshly desires and can care less what God require of us (Deuteronomy 10:12-13
For anyone here who really wants any Spiritual help and wants to learn how to serve the living God please go over to the King James Bible University with Elder Michael Johnson and all the other Elders and Deacons which will help guide you to the Truth and as for the rest who does not that's fine we all have a free choice to serve God or to serve him not some to everlasting life and some to everlasting damnation the choice is ours.
God wants us to pay our bills!! If grandma is sending her money to the church and not paying her bills, that means she is imbalanced in her doctrine and her giving. Don’t blame the church. People perish for lack of knowledge. That’s Bible.
Just be honest and say tithing is not a part of our new covenant but giving through following the Holy Spirit is. Tell your church we have bills that need to be paid so we are taking up offerings every Sunday and give according as the Lord leads.
I have bills to Pay just like other Poor People. Who will Pay their bills.You or these Pastors.
I understood exactly what Creflo said...Most pastors since that message are afraid because people may withdraw from giving in fear...God loves a cheerful giver not based upon compulsiveness...I give because I Love God...and I'm grateful for all He's done and does for me and my family.....That's why I'll never stop giving to advance His Kingdom in the earth.....I am Free from the Law...
Yes. He is not confusing anyone with a open mind
I give to those in need and charity starts in the home.
Salvation is free....
Creflo was not called to preach, he went on his own. He and a few others cannot lead me to water while I'm stranded in a hot desert.
Joyce Meyers, Joel Osteen and several others weren't either.
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There's calling were you dream or see revelation then there's general calling i.e go into all nations....
Every Christian is called.
God will not let them be embarassed many souls lives are at stake.
Legalistic tendencies makes people talk like that.
You couldn't even recognize the water....
Well said go over to King James Bible University and you have Elders and Deacons their who will teach you the Truth of God's Word.
If that's the case the man would've died from cancer long time ago" do you know how the pulpit works??
That is not what Creflo said! You obviously didn’t listen to the message… but carry on! 🙄😒
These two pastors are an embarrassment for the truth of the Gospel and for the truth as it is in the bible on that subject of the tithe. The two of them need to listen again to all that video, from that other pastor who explained many of the truths of that topic of the tithe. He is very close on the truth of tithing and giving money (offering) in the local church. In other words: The truth that we heard new from that pastor who recognized his mistake on that tithing issue. That new truth that is biblical that has always been in the bible. It is like that of many other pastors who already recognized his errors, who taught them about that subject of the tithe that was not according to the bible. Amen.
DO YOU THINK, THEY LISTEN TO THE BIBLE? I DON’T THINK THAT THEY UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE…..VERY WORRIED ABOUT THE SHEEP THEY ARE LEADING
I just listened intently to what the preacher said over on the service. These 3 people are a huge part of a much bigger problem. Gaslighting “Christians,” …. Karma means of one’s own making. These 3 people…imagine being in their homes. These must obviously be self appointed pharisees, that babbling was weird. Oh well, make a great day.
They never do. They listen to snips of a message. The person deceiving them is the one that listened to the whole message to get a snip, monetized their account, then they use the pastors name to get the views and clicks. But the pastors are deceitful? My God!
The church said Creflo speak for yourself...We want that money.
These two pastors are an embarrassment for the truth of the Gospel and for the truth as it is in the bible on that subject of the tithe. The two of them need to listen again to all that video, from that other pastor who explained many of the truths of that topic of the tithe. He is very close on the truth of tithing and giving money (offering) in the local church. In other words: The truth that we heard new from that pastor who recognized his mistake on that tithing issue. That new truth that is biblical that has always been in the bible. It is like that of many other pastors who already recognized his errors, who taught them about that subject of the tithe that was not according to the bible. Amen.
It's bad when ministers get on TV and prove that they haven't listened to their brother in Christ.
The church shouldn't have to use gimmicks, such as fear and guilt to get people to give. That is what makes it wrong. According to the scriptures we are to be cheerful givers. Giving isn't only in money either.
Creflo Dollar is a clown 🤡
This clown said he didn't want to go to heaven broke! But yet the streets of heaven is paved with gold! Why would this clown need money in heaven! Who would listen to these clowns! We should be led by our Spirit we don't need pulpit pimps!🤔
So is TD Jake's. Lol
@@linglang7322 wrong. Bishop Jake is not even close to being a clown and unless you've attended his services in person and/or listened to his preaching and Bible studies the past year, your wrong opinion is irrelevant.
He didn't say not to pay tithes. It's obvious he was teaching it incorrectly and should maybe refund his customers. This is why we need to read the Bible and not all of these books and listen to tapes. This is why I keep my Bible open during a message because God tells us that we mess up for lack of knowledge. He's not the only one that hasn't gotten it right. It's just wrong because he made lots of money of his era. Now will he sell more info on his correction?
Cuz I love you my hair done and go out to eat it's not an offering it is a service that I'm paying for salvation is free stop making the church about money it's a shame when the pastor is living better than his congregation
Thank you!!!!
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Tithing was always an offering of food, never money.
Pastor Creflo Dollar is absolutely correct. In response and in my appreciation to God I really want to give my all back to God all the time and every time. But God said NO give as God has prospered you (1 Corinthians 16:2)....if you want to give more than 10% in appreciation to God saving you through Jesus Christ....then do so....why not ? Remember....God gave everything He had His Son Jesus Christ for you and me. This is what Pastor Creflo meant.
I don’t give anyway my cash unless I feel warranted.
Tithes was NEVER MONEY!!!!
Deuteronomy 14 KJV
22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the Lord thy God hath blessed thee:
25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose:
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,
He’s saying tithing is wrong and he’s right! Because, tithing was for the Levitical priests under a different covenant. Now that Christ is our new high priest it’s giving. The issue is legal application which cannot be applied under grace
Tithing predated the Law and the Levitical priesthood. Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek 400 years before the LORD gave Moses the Law. Melchizedek was a type of Christ. Therefore Christ receives tithes today.
It’s all about the money🤦🏽♀️god help the crooks 🤦🏽♀️
I remind back in the 70’s and 80’s, pastors use to tell you to give what you can give to the church for tithing. But it’s hard for me to agree on giving money to these pastors who are living,eating and dressing better than myself. Not even religion is exempt from being used as an extortion tool. I’m not giving money to a church where the pastor is living in a million dollar home,wearing designer clothes, expensive jewelry,have their kids in the best private schools or taking expensive trips for vacation while my family and myself are living the opposite life. From Jim & Tammy Baker to TD Jake, I just can not support none of them when it comes to take. They all should have became politicians because they have the gift for gab.
This guy is a fraud. This is what the tithe is for. There shouldn't be any anxiety or angst when tithing. Once you learn this you will never look at tithing the same again.
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Out of the mouth speaks the abundance of the heart
It's understandable when church money is used to care for the church and the community. What about pastors using the monies for personal excessive luxuries?
Creflo’s pocket is already full. He can now afford to preach this new revelation in giving. He knows that many are struggling after a pandemic, a new war, gas prices and inflation. The old message is no longer applicable. So sad.
The only scripture where God allowed tithes to be exchanged for money was Deuteronomy 14:24-26. But at the place or time of payment, the tithe should still be foodstuffs.
In Deuteronomy 14:24-26, God ordered that if the place to give the tithes was far, and to carry the foodstuffs was difficult, the tither should sell the tithes, which are foodstuffs, for money. But if the tither reached the place where the tithes were to be paid, he should turn the money back into tithes, that is, foodstuffs, once again, before he would give or pay it.
In Leviticus 27:30, 32-34, God clearly specified the items He described as tithes, and His and holy unto Him.
He said, “the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD’S: it is holy unto the LORD. And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.
“He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
No...the difference between the service businesses and the church....the church doesn't consider itself a business.
The church doesn't pay taxes either.
@@newbeginnings3603 - The pastors have to pay on their income
HE IS SO USED HIS PEOPLE HAVING A STOCKHOLM SYNDROME!! JUST FOLLOW DON’T ASK! JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW
Creflo Never Said Not To Give Offerings...
I wonder why all those Pastors worried because tithing is not to be! Jesus said tithing should be done away with because the Sadducee’s and Pharisees were taking away from the people like Preachers today
Well, this was the blind, leading the blind.
These people have it wrong. Please read the Bible. What did the apostle Paul teach? Look at the example of the primitive church. May God open your eyes so you may repent.
The Apostle Paul preached but also had a job as a tent maker. He did not live above others and fleece them.
Honestly for the first time I ever say this Mr. Creflo said for sense then these to clowns who can’t even explain the teaching on tithing and compares it to what you pay at a secular place is the same as the church …that guy and so call lady Dr. needs to get fired !!! From that position
1. Crefor never said... Abraham was under the law,
2. You dont run God ministry..U trust on God's for provision. That's part of pastor's training....God called you,You didn't call God...so dont be worried as to how the church will be sustained...Jesus is the sustainer..so trust him and preach truth..don't help God by preaching lies
3. Abraham paid tithe willingly.. if he had paid 20% what would you have called it?
4.Abraham didnt give to be blessed. He was blessed first and no scripture reference the he gave it consistently.
5. Pls listen to Crefor and know what he said,dont assume,he is not confusing anyone but God is redirecting the Church as crefor himself taught the tithe more than you both and he knows better...
6. I discovered tithe preachers limit the giving ability of the church
7.tithe preacher endorses many fake ministry to spring forth..if a man know if he opens church, people must pay Tithe,he will venture into it and that's what we see today...if God called you, He expects you to preach grace and love and when people receive these they respond in love willfully. This we see in act of apostle..they willfully sold their properties and gave to God..even the poor were willing to give bcs of God's love..stop caging the simple to 10%..there is no such compulsion from God anymore.
May God open your eyes to truth bcs you can't stop the Holyghost from what He has embarked on..the Church is coming to truth.
Please know The Lord and His Word for yourself. SIMPLY, follow Christ and do what He did.
Never let preachers teach you without studying. They are confused but God is not.
We are under THE NEW COVENANT. True Believers in Christ are to be LED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. This is how we give AND live.
If they teach people The Truth, and not be driven by greed and ministry beyond their means, people will be FREE and give.
And they will have ENOUGH.
They both need to go read their Bible. Tithing and offering are two separate acts distinct from each other. Also, 10% was given of goods, gold, silver, etc so the church could do what they are instructed: to care for the widowed and the orphaned and minister to the towns. Very few churches do this.
Also God do not need our money. Everyone should get a job and make their own money
THANK GOD I DONT WORSHIP HUMANITY ,I WORSHIP KING GOD AND NOT FAIL ME I BEEN IN CHURCHES WHERE I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE AND I HAVE WALKED OUT AND LATER ON IV HEARD UGLY OF CHURCH MEMBERS ALONE WITH PASTORES .I CARRY MY LIFE WITH KING JESUS TO MY GRAVE. AMAN.🙏😊 NEXT !!!
Ain't nobody buying no more Private jets when they can't Pay thier Rent/ Mortgage and that last name says it all Dollar is a dead give away.Peace
The Lady talking about electricity bills while behind her was a $50,000-100,000 grand piano😅
tithing is not required !! unless you are a farmer and giv8ng to the priest in the temple whitch neither exist any more its not required. don't mean you can't help the widow and children if the Lord puts it on your heart !!
How do you ask someone, other then the person who said it, what they mean?
An “ offering” is far different from a transaction. If you pay $20 you get to park your car at a stadium. If one gives $20 in offering what tangible item am I receiving?
To give is better then recieve
@@ceceprincess4758 I work hard for my money. If I give I need to receive unless my money is going directly to benefit the community
Blessings from God 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Will he return the money, if asked to? I'll bet not .
That is not what my Pastor Creflo said in his Sunday Services.
Please revisit the messages spoken in its entirety before forming opinions.
Many thanks.
Greetings pastors , I have a question, my question is, since tithe is recorded in the book of Genesis before the Law was given; is it scriptural for the new covenant believers to give tithe?
Tithe can be given but not with duress but willingly
I'm not listening to any of these charlatans...I will only listen to God period 🙏🏽 Tithing is under the law and we are under Grace: SELAH 🙏🏽
God didn't tell us to tithe, man did, and we should know by now that the historical facts that Christian doctrine was tampered with.
No he said he was wrong. Stop lying. Tithing is and will be about food. Stop using our people to get rich. The lies gotta stop.
No he set the recors strait. They want their money back. No confusion. Sick asses..
You sow a seed or learn the ways of a fig tree. I have zero idea have to do either. Oh well.
Thats why many ppl dont go Christian churches...
God will support the church if we biblical teach the word correctly people will give freely.
It's a business
Nah fam... The church is not meant to be treated like a business. You shouldn't be compelled to do anything in God's kingdom, never that. God knows your capability and situation and no man can force you to go beyond your means... That's ungodly in my opinion. Don't you think there wouldn't be as many struggling people to feed if the church advised them to rather feed their family with that money and perhaps offer their skills to the church as a tithe... Rather focus on the expertise of the congregation (which are worth money) to service the needs of the community. That's love... The Word is here to guide us not convict us... Times have changed and so have we... What should remain constant are the virtues of love and understanding that God requires us to live by.
I think what confuses me the most is why pastors are so fixated on living lavishly off the congregations contributions. If you have sponsors and side hustles then great! You earned it, go crazy. But it's not the congratulations job to give pastor's lavish lifestyles... Listen... Nowhere in the Bible do you see Jesus living in mansions, riding expensive camels and dripping in designer loin clothes... He was a simple man. He ate what people shared with him, if it was money then he accepted it... But the people he served usually gave him food or just a service (washing his feet). I feel like right now the church is all about things... That's why people just don't relate and connect as much as they yearn to. Trust and believe if you serve the community they will thank you. Some may even gift you with that mansion you've always driven past and spoken to God about. That gift wouldn't be compelled or forced... It would come out of gratitude and love. And trust me when I say when you change a person's life in a pure way, without expectations... God shows up and shows out like you can never believe. That's ministry to me. Anyways peace, love and understanding to everyone, God bless.
This guy can't even tell the difference between tithing and offering.
Differences in the old testament and new testament. God commanded in the old testament to observe tithing (Malachi 3:10), circumcision (Genesis 17:10), sabbath day (Exodus 20:8-11), stoning to death (John 8:1-11).
Why some ministries do not teach the practice of circumcision, sabbath day, and stoning to death but teach to practice tithing. Why are they very choosy on what to teach.
In the new testament:
>Jesus never sent anyone to death.
>Jesus heals on the sabbath >Jesus never commanded his disciples to collect the tithes and offerings.
>Giving is to the poor (Luke 19:8-9, Mark 10:21, Matthew 26:8-9, Acts 10:4).
I ain't giving the church 0
I GIVE A PERSON INEED A ANIMAL MY FAMILY.
Abraham gave from his plunder not from his wealth
You can't pay your way to the kingdom these pastors is Robbing gods people for their own desires john 14:15 if you love me keep my commandments bless those that hear and do my laws the most high do not need no money he said if the store house is too far to take the food spend or give it to the needy what is it for a man to gain the world and lose his soul to the most high
It is true that the church needs money to help the community, but you ignored the extravagance of some leaders. The perspective expressed here seems quite biased.
Pastor Patterson obviously has no idea in the difference in making an offering and paying for a service
The question that every Believer should be asking GOD, "Is TRUTH being preached in its ENTIRETY?" as it concerns the messages/teachings Pastor Dollar is bringing forth at this time. It is the RESPONSIBILITY of the BELIEVER to ask this question if one is working out their OWN Salvation with fear and trembling. Having a "personal" relationship with God means you can go to Him for yourself to get the required answers that you need. ALL born-again Believers in Jesus Christ have access to God in this way. There DOES NOT need to be confusion about tithing at this time. If you are apprehensive to move in either way (to tithe or not to tithe) then you have the RESPONSIBILITY of seeking God for "clarity" in this area. Most of us know that God is NOT a God of confusion. That title belongs to Satan himself. It's BEST at this time to seek God's HELP on this matter. This DID NOT take God by surprise that this debate would be going on at this time. GOD is still in CONTROL and the Bible still remains the infallible word of God. It is TRUTH when it is RIGHTLY DIVIDED in TRUTH. This is a time where Christians should be seeking God for themselves and not allowing leaders to have full control over this area of their lives. Pastors, teachers etc. are gifts to the Body of Christ but they are NOT God Himself. They are fallible men and women who can "easily" make mistakes and we have to TRUST GOD in the "process" of correcting them. It appears that Pastor Dollar is going through a "process" of correction in his life. My prayer is that God's hand will stay upon him in ALL areas of his life and personal walk with God. While he moves through this "process" we as God's people are to keep our eyes FIXED on Jesus Christ and no other. This is an "individual" journey of faith and we must remember this. When we all stand before God, He is not going to ask you about Pastor Dollar's life (that's reserved for him ALONE), God will ask us about our OWN lives. God DOES NOT want His people to be tossed about by every wind of doctrine so it is the WISE COUNSEL of God to seek HIS face by using HIS WORD to get the TRUE biblical answer on tithing and other messages that Pastor Dollar has brought forth to correct.
Humbly submitted, a child of God
Creflow Dollar is not confusing. It is very clear that he is teaching that under grace you are not limited to giving 10% but in fact under grace you are led by the spirit of God to give from a cheerful heart♥️ Ultimately, if your heart is in the right place, you will be focused on pleasing God, and not man! If you believe this teaching is wrong, you may want to ask yourself why? Pastor Creflo did not say that you were supposed to stop supporting the church financially, he said that under grace we should be led by the Holy Spirit. This means that you need to have a personal relationship with the father in Heaven. God should be the one to lead you in all your giving because we are stewards over everything we have, including most importantly, our lives.
There is no confusion coming from this teaching. There is a need however for maturity, and wisdom in the church.
Pastor dollar is right 🙏❤️
Both of these pastors misrepresented what Creflo preached. It’s about grace- based giving not performance and/or pressure/fear-based tithing. Also it’s not about the man Creflo- it’s about the Word of God and rightly dividing the Word of truth 2 Tim 2:15
Simply put, what Creflo Dollar is saying is that he's been wrong all along! "Tithing," as practiced today is wrong! Did Jesus collect tithes? Did the apostles? Stop stealing from God's people!
This is why I left the church..now he tells his parishioners to disregard everything he said about tithing. I’m sorry but this is why I’m not going to follow the direction of man
God loves a cheerful giver.
Who in God's word have preached the word of God and got paid for preaching it can you answer that for me
No woman should be a pastor,so if this woman is a pastor then that church is in trouble already and they don't reach tithing yet
The church needs to stop saying right before offering time that you rob God and you are cursed. We would be cursed if we still lived under the law. But we live under the new covenant, because Christ came and died for our sins. Paul in his letters said nothing about a tenth. Read 2 Corinthians 9:6, says if you sow sparingly, you will reap sparingly. 2 Corinthians 9:7, says each person should give what is in their hearts and not to give reluctantly or out of pressure. As God loves a person that gives cheerfully. So these two individuals misunderstood what Creflo Dollar was saying. So no church should use Malachi 3:8-10, in order to scare or make you feel guilty in not giving. If so, the pastor is operating in the flesh. 🙄 Paul in his letters didn't include the tenth, because that was under the Jewish laws or the Mosaic Laws people!!!
How do you compare paying tithes to paying for goods and services?!# imconfused
First listen to Creflo Dollar’s ENTIRE message on tithing. I did. He NEVER said Christians should not tithe nor did he condemn anyone who does tithe. However this so called pastor Patterson said “people should be compelled to give” in direct opposition to Scripture! Creflo Dollar gave solid New Testament and Old Testament support for everything he taught. This so called pastor is the one who is trying to confuse the issue. Getting a haircut is a customer service for a fee and has absolutely nothing to do with giving the Bible way.
Creflo Dollar is a easy soft target. Isiah wont say nothing about Joel Olsteen. We all know why.
Please listen......
These are all wolves in sheep clothing who cannot understand deceiving those who are blind and making them twice the child of hell and having fun in doing so.
The church can survive with believers loving and sharing what they have with one another. The early believers did not survive on money but dependent on GOD and sharing what they have with one another! Jesus Christ never asked us for money, He told us to give to poor and share what we have with believers. And doing so, we give it to Him! Remember Jesus asked for them to show him the money when they asked Him about paying Taxes? He looked at the money and asked them, who’s head is on it ? And they said Caesar and He said give to Caesar what belong to him, and give GOD what belong to Him! I believe this is a true conviction of the HOLY SPIRIT, but the church of today will definitely fight against him. We have to be wise and study our Bible diligently so we’ll know when the HOLy SPIRIT is speaking !
It is very sad to hear people who has association with God to be confusing poor people definitely that's not God's will
$65 Million jet, though. Big difference in being requited and being greedy!!!
Good for him!
God says this, II Corinthians 9:7 : “So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly or of necessity; for God loves a cheerful giver.”
If God not the Pastor leads you to give, give. But, be honest with self; seek the Lord for His direction.
Yes, tithing should be what’s in your heart.
Pastor Patterson is wrong, They are wrong.
They need to trust in God
😂 he changed his stance because the Israelites are bringing out the truth!!!!! 😂
If you say tithing is not of the law because Abraham gave tithe
What about circumcision is it of the law or before the law? Apostle paul describe circumcision as a law
Brothers and sisters Abraham gave 10% once because he wanted to... he gave out of appreciation... Jacob 10% was a vow...
Be busy mosquito Creflo. In fact, you shouldn't lie to your congregants but tell them the truth that you needed money. Why do you demand it under false pretense then?
So let me get this right if you got to bury marry and get up at 2:00 the lord called you to do that right ? hummm! Ppl get in your bible for yourselves !! Ppl know this preachers pastors money hungry !! Read your bible ppl !!!
my bro u r talking out of your head ,there is no where in the church age where the apostles ever told anyone to give tithes. the bible said and r build upon the apostles and prophets Jesus christ himself been the chief cornerstone( Ephesians 2 :20) when the church started at pentecost right through out the book of act which is the history of the church age no tithing was giving by anyone in the church that Jesus christ purchase with his blood. the bible says we should not give because of necessity r give groggily we must b willing in our giving the church only deals with offering not tithing that is showing us that offering is more than tithing once you give it from your heart like the widows might. she didn't give much naturally speaking but she did it from her heart.acts 2 teaches that that they have things common amongst themselves and no one lack nothing because they share what they have among them self.