Leatherman HATES 💰! (pt.1) They tell no one about these!

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  • čas přidán 23. 11. 2022
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  • @maxlvledc
    @maxlvledc  Před rokem +50

    All Accessories
    (Notice, carbide bit for $5)
    www.leatherman.com/accessories
    Have a Multitool or EDC Question? Leave a comment and I may make a video on it!
    Website: maxlvledc.com
    Amazon Shop: amzn.to/3B5kJvr
    Instagram: bit.ly/3zndlKR
    Facebook: bit.ly/3ITwKWD
    Email: mle.collab@gmail.com (no links plz, wont click them)
    Maxlvledc is a channel dedicated to exploring the tools we carry every day. I will be discussing bags, flashlights, knives, multitools, pen, wallets, key organizers, pry tools, functional clothing, watches, electronics, and much more. Because I also love to modify these items, there will be videos on tools such as screwdrivers, pliers, scissor, wrenches, and power tools.
    I try to read every comment so pls feel free to ask any questions below! Thanks for stopping in!
    _______________________
    Disclaimer
    I will use affiliate links whenever possible. Using these links allows me to continue to make content for this channel. Thanks so much for your help!
    #everydaycarry #edc #maxlvledc

    • @CrowManyClouds
      @CrowManyClouds Před rokem

      ​ @maxlvledc question about the last bit driver adapter. Is it the right size to put on a 1/4 square (socket) adapter?
      (I've heard so much about how bad the bits are (bad heat treat) but the form factor is so compelling. Being able to store more Leatherman bits in the same physical space as regular 1/4 hex bits makes me want to try them but I'd like to use a Chapman with a 1/4 square bit as the driver.)

  • @Sphyxx
    @Sphyxx Před rokem +115

    We need more leatherman content creators

  • @MarcosElMalo2
    @MarcosElMalo2 Před rokem +52

    I want a Leatherman bandolier to carry all the accessories.

    • @jameshoffman1842
      @jameshoffman1842 Před 4 měsíci +3

      It would take one to carry ALL of them…A belt maybe with them all around it…?

    • @jurj97
      @jurj97 Před 23 dny

      ​@@jameshoffman1842two holsters on each hip too

  • @rescueraver
    @rescueraver Před rokem +17

    I feel the bit kits are underrated. People praise the regular 1/4 inch bits but dont realize you can carry 40 bits a LM ratchet driver with a Surge and have a workshop on your hip.

  • @YorkyPoo_UAV
    @YorkyPoo_UAV Před 3 měsíci +4

    Yes they hate money. The Ratchet extender has been out of stock for over a year and cost over $100 to get it somewhere online

    • @jameshummel8776
      @jameshummel8776 Před 3 dny

      And I still bought one because I thought I needed it. Turns out, I did. Got the 90 deg. one they sell on Amazon. Every day carried

  • @duli_hawaii
    @duli_hawaii Před rokem +14

    Man, with how useful these knives seem on a first glance, I just keep getting surprised again and again at how versatile these things are

  • @geofreak75
    @geofreak75 Před rokem +4

    I still have the Leatherman I bought on the USS Peleliu in 96 or so when I was a Marine on deployment. Use it almost every day!

    • @paulbosley6448
      @paulbosley6448 Před rokem +1

      Got mine in Okinawa in 85 on my way to Germany. Still use it sometimes not every day

    • @geofreak75
      @geofreak75 Před rokem

      @@paulbosley6448 That's awesome, man!

  • @bogworm92
    @bogworm92 Před 3 měsíci +5

    The ratchet is a must have. And I am not overexaggerating. It is so good it should be included with every high end leatherman.

    • @Bravofoxtrotcharlie
      @Bravofoxtrotcharlie Před 3 měsíci +1

      But it's not because Leatherman is just fine with money, weird...

  • @randysmith9636
    @randysmith9636 Před rokem +2

    I do agree. I am a faithful Leatherman user. I bought the very first model when it became available. I presently own 5 different models and you have to take it upon yourself to figure out which accessories you might want or need. They could definitely do better in their presenting what they offer.
    Thanks for the video brother.

  • @BINX-RR
    @BINX-RR Před rokem +8

    So basically their marketing team is one dude with a Chromebook

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +1

      I would be 10x as good on the first day with a cell phone.

  • @longbow6416
    @longbow6416 Před rokem +22

    I go with SOG, that compound leverage is awesome! I've have issues with Leatherman saying damage was from abuse and since the tool is riveted together, it's a unit, we won't repair it for free. SOG has had no problem sending me new plier heads or accessories and I just fix it myself. It's a plus to customize it with tools that I use more regularly.

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +4

      They don't do that any more btw, now that they are owned by GSM

    • @conductorcammon
      @conductorcammon Před rokem +13

      I sent a leatherman back. Told them I broke the file trying to pry a brake pad off a railcar ..sent me a new rebar.

    • @targetaps
      @targetaps Před rokem

      ​@@conductorcammon Lol!

    • @freman007
      @freman007 Před měsícem

      I've noticed that they've replaced the riveted Squirt PS4 with a screwed together version. Much cheaper to replace one tool than the entire multi-tool.

  • @ghost-wolf0742
    @ghost-wolf0742 Před rokem +6

    It's sad that they discontinued the leatherman rachet driver. I'm so happy I got one before they ran out.

    • @MSkachenite
      @MSkachenite Před 5 měsíci +1

      Really, truly- they discontinued the rathet driver?!?

    • @DirectCurrent4u
      @DirectCurrent4u Před 22 dny

      The impact drive is the best one by far!

  • @voltaireS60
    @voltaireS60 Před rokem +5

    I love my Leatherman wave and yes the ratchet extension is a god send as well as well as the bit kit set they have paid for themselves time and time again

    • @johnbrignall558
      @johnbrignall558 Před rokem

      I got a wingman Leatherman with the bit accessory and an extension for a gift how are you supposed to put bits to use do they go in a special tool or leatherman

  • @christianmcbride9905
    @christianmcbride9905 Před rokem +2

    I really gotta get myself a Leatherman

  • @chimchu3232
    @chimchu3232 Před rokem +5

    And then they make custom badass multi tools that everybody wants, but they only make 100 of them and people jack the price up in the aftermarket

  • @gtcam723
    @gtcam723 Před 6 měsíci

    You’re giving me some ideas on how to spend my free time during my christmas break.

  • @tj-kv6vr
    @tj-kv6vr Před 3 měsíci

    surprisingly Leatherman is doing just fine

  • @justyou9314
    @justyou9314 Před rokem +41

    Dude, if heaven is measured by those tools, u r already there. I love your collections! Those r limited, rare or extra fancy though 😇🤩😎😁

  • @TheHunterofshadow
    @TheHunterofshadow Před rokem +6

    I literally broke my new surge yesterday trying to cut so 12 Guage wire. The pliers completely snapped in half. The medium flat head snapped last week. idk if it's just mine but the wave I had 10 years ago seemed much stronger

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +2

      That's super wierd...I'd contact leatherman

    • @topreview3791
      @topreview3791 Před 4 měsíci

      25 year warranty. Did they replace it?

  • @WarGrrl3
    @WarGrrl3 Před rokem +25

    Um, I'm not sure Leatherman hates money. A single extender (no bits inc) for the Wave (for ex) is $20, that's really expensive. In reality, the accessories wind up being very expensive. I do however LOVE my Wave AND I have a 30year+old Leatherman thats has been well used and looks and works like new. It actually has 'patent pending' stamped on it. Even the original leather case has lasted well.

    • @paulgran7815
      @paulgran7815 Před rokem +2

      He didn't say you're not paying for quality or something, because that's what you do. Quality products cost a bit more.
      What he's saying is that they could make even more money if they just "exposed" their line of products more.

    • @Whigu
      @Whigu Před rokem +1

      It's just a clickbate title to get views it has nothing to do with real life

    • @deykno87
      @deykno87 Před 7 měsíci

      @@Whigu🤡🤡

  • @kcb1784
    @kcb1784 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Still waiting on the resupply of the ratchet driver. It's $35.oo part, I'm not spending $150 for it on the secondary market.

  • @kelviecarlile1058
    @kelviecarlile1058 Před rokem

    I've loved Leatherman since everyone in basic & AIT either had one or wanted one. This was back in mid 90s and even though not every product appeals to me, I've been nothing but satisfied and never had anything break on me. When I need it, it's there.

  • @KP-ol3tc
    @KP-ol3tc Před rokem +1

    I wanna see you make a lock-pickers Leatherman using parts off Covert Ins. or something because they have holes on the tools perfect for adding to your EDC.

  • @Sambo169
    @Sambo169 Před 2 měsíci

    If it wasn't for good people like you making videos we would not know nothing about accessories! Thank you!

  • @justhays
    @justhays Před 3 měsíci

    A multi tool is a self contained tool to cary for quick use when needed. You might as well carry a tool box if you’re into accessories.

  • @Gregory-nk8wm
    @Gregory-nk8wm Před 2 měsíci

    Time is LOVE

  • @WesternMdBushcraft
    @WesternMdBushcraft Před rokem +1

    Your right. Iv been hunting the proper multi tool for years. Haven’t bought one because all yuh see is the baby models in stores and there’s hardly any information online.

  • @kelleymcbride4633
    @kelleymcbride4633 Před 4 měsíci

    I had no idea thanks! Love my 300 super tool but didn't know about all these nifty accessories!

  • @bplus2625
    @bplus2625 Před 2 měsíci

    He's right. I use that Leatherman adapter with my Victorinox Mini Champ. The square side of the adapter fits very nicely on the philips driver/bottle opener.

  • @emilatorcliff4567
    @emilatorcliff4567 Před rokem +3

    The leathermans you mentioned all had pre installed lanyard loops…

    • @janus4002
      @janus4002 Před rokem +2

      Do they all? Both of my Charges and I think my list Wave came with them just not installed...

  • @BenSemisch
    @BenSemisch Před rokem

    The Ratcheting bit driver and a SOG power pint are a total game changer.

  • @bryanjames7528
    @bryanjames7528 Před rokem +1

    Leatherman does like money 💰. They knew someone would make one of these videos b4 long. Leatherman actually saved tens of thousands of dollars in advertising when u posted this video lol

  • @juakored
    @juakored Před rokem +4

    Also they're just ridiculously overpriced, so nobody really needs to know about them.

  • @Andrew-sv3ck
    @Andrew-sv3ck Před rokem

    Wave pocket clip is great.

  • @miguelcabral1836
    @miguelcabral1836 Před 9 měsíci

    So true! I got that middle extender, from watching your videos lol

  • @grankule
    @grankule Před 9 dny

    Idk why you would file down the extender, they work perfect for front iron sights. They can also be used to tighten certain bolts.

  • @adolfgibbs8759
    @adolfgibbs8759 Před rokem

    I've owned those for over 20 yrs

  • @therealshard
    @therealshard Před 14 dny

    It's not about the money, it's about the tools we meet along the way

  • @brandonsmith1647
    @brandonsmith1647 Před rokem +3

    So glad I found your channel. Please don’t start cramming products down our throats like most do!!

  • @cleancooking
    @cleancooking Před 3 měsíci

    Leatherman hates money 😂 so true

  • @rudolfnv6666
    @rudolfnv6666 Před rokem

    They do advertise just not where you think.For example my local range has a massive leatherman poster and also I think it’s one of those; the people who have it are the adverts. Like I always had it recommended to me and now I am the one saying to people hey check out leatherman; I love mine.🤔

  • @outboardprsnlstndup
    @outboardprsnlstndup Před 2 měsíci

    I definitely had no idea they offered a ratchet

  • @esmokah
    @esmokah Před rokem +42

    i found a leatherman on the side of a road and after using it a couple of times, I can see why!

    • @project7442
      @project7442 Před rokem +17

      Mann, you're lucky for finding it 😭

    • @beltfed4624
      @beltfed4624 Před rokem +14

      Unusual. From years of owning multiple models, I can say for sure that most are high quality pieces, but I did purchase a brand new Wave that had QC issues, got a full refund and have never had that problem again. To be honest in this, the best Leatherman's are above $100, below that it can be sketchy. For example, my Super Tool 300 is flawless, but the more budget oriented models such as the Sidekick isn't one that I'd recommend.

    • @mr.stinker9335
      @mr.stinker9335 Před rokem

      Couldn’t have said it better.

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 Před rokem

      @@project7442
      Whhhoooooooossshhh!
      And his name isn’t “Mann.” It’s “Ghost Ship.” 😂

    • @project7442
      @project7442 Před rokem

      @@keirfarnum6811 😂😂

  • @ravenbarsrepairs5594
    @ravenbarsrepairs5594 Před rokem

    I was excited when they announced the ratcheting bit driver, up until the point if came out that it's made overseas. I pay a premium for Leatherman because they are made in USA.

  • @evolveausevolveaus
    @evolveausevolveaus Před rokem +1

    my surge is about 13 years old, been through a couple of pouches over the years

  • @MyUnquenchableThirst
    @MyUnquenchableThirst Před 12 dny

    Don't forget the tweezers. Leatherman tweezers are awesome!

  • @xXvenomslasherXx
    @xXvenomslasherXx Před rokem +1

    Leatherman also hates freedom... At one point in time they were supplying tools to the atf with the words "always think forfeiture" marked on them. It was said in the event an agent isn't sure what to do, forfeiture of the item in question is always an option. I'm not saying these great Leatherman tools are not of quality, I'm just recommending we buy things from people who value freedom.

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +1

      In the multitool world they are still better than the others.

  • @mngarista8860
    @mngarista8860 Před 3 měsíci

    Love these product s!❤

  • @grimworkshop9830
    @grimworkshop9830 Před rokem

    Very nice!

  • @jaxsonhammerkawk7436
    @jaxsonhammerkawk7436 Před rokem

    Awesome man can't wait for part 2

  • @mcarbunaru
    @mcarbunaru Před rokem

    It can be a simple explanation for that. The accesories are not fabricated directlly by them. If they need to sell more of them they need MORE MONEY blocked on a order to they suplier for that accesories. For the part 2: When they put discounts on their accesories, is probabilly need some money fast to pay something so they sell their existing stocks or their production slow down and the batches from the suppliers are becoming acumulating stocs and there fore blocked money flows. Also thei may do this for atracting people on their site and increasing the sales on their tools. But in my experience is that thing with batches comming from supliers as scheduled but to fast for their own production.

  • @stujo718
    @stujo718 Před rokem

    👍. The edges of the bit holders are excellent for prying certain things you don’t want scraped/scratched, car, electrical, knives. 🧐

  • @mcbrite
    @mcbrite Před měsícem

    Wow... I had my first Leatherman like 30 years ago and I didn't know of the existence of ANY of these... Plot twist: We sell Leatherman in our shop! (I don't personally, but we stock them)

  • @angusthomson3731
    @angusthomson3731 Před měsícem

    My right ear liked this

  • @greyscout01
    @greyscout01 Před 3 měsíci

    Your title fits. I had no idea of the accessory variations.

  • @Cheff_Benzos
    @Cheff_Benzos Před rokem +1

    Would love to see the pocket clip for supertool300

  • @S85B50Engine
    @S85B50Engine Před 25 dny

    They should have made the Free P2 and P4 compatible with the Rebar bit adapter

  • @Hakeemadib
    @Hakeemadib Před rokem +3

    They hate money but why they so expensive shit WHY!

  • @MybeautifulandamazingPrincess

    Very good to keep in your bike tool kit. I have the victorinox ratchet kit and the spirit x multitool

  • @d.Cog420
    @d.Cog420 Před měsícem

    Good point. Why don't they do an accessories vid? Is it because the accessories aren't guaranteed like the tools themselves? Maybe they don't have to as lots of CZcamsrs see this as a miss and are keen to show their accessories thereby doing the job for them, and with genuine enthusiasm.

  • @MSkachenite
    @MSkachenite Před 5 měsíci

    Yes, its true- Leatherman hates money!

  • @omitbadgers5664
    @omitbadgers5664 Před 5 měsíci

    I wish they made the bit sets configurable with a wider variety available. I only need metric Bits and could use a few more of them instead of imperial ones.

  • @gerhardschemel3565
    @gerhardschemel3565 Před rokem

    Great company and a warranty program that can’t be beat.
    I will take exception with the nylon sheath that has the inner pocket for the bit holders and two outer pockets for bit extensions. I Now I have had to sew up the bottoms to keep the extensions from slipping out. And how about making an extension that works with drill motors.
    I have used and owned those accessories for nearly as long as I have been a Leatherman Tool owner fast approaching 40 years

  • @KP-ol3tc
    @KP-ol3tc Před rokem

    so true, but glad they don't so we can get the info from you!

  • @asho2341
    @asho2341 Před 12 dny

    Leatherman is awesome

  • @exactinmidget92
    @exactinmidget92 Před rokem

    I've had a Leatherman for years and I never knew any of these things existed.

  • @zethloveless7238
    @zethloveless7238 Před rokem

    Wave is the best tool a man or woman could ever own. There is no debating 🤷‍♂️ I’ve had one all my life since the very first one .

  • @Mr_Elixir
    @Mr_Elixir Před 5 měsíci

    All multitools without corkscrew are goes straight to the trash😮

  • @iammaximus614
    @iammaximus614 Před rokem

    …. Figure it out …. Soldier! 🇺🇸🗽

  • @Whatgoeshere1
    @Whatgoeshere1 Před 2 měsíci

    if only leatherman would make/release more of the ratchet bit holders, i’d buy it but no way imma pay 200 for it 2nd hand.

  • @CashewBestofNuts
    @CashewBestofNuts Před rokem

    I thought you would pull out the piece you're pointing out in the thumbnail so we can see it.
    What do those bit drivers and adapters attach to on the tools?

  • @JokerInk-CustomBuilds

    recently bought the leatherman bit adapter set... I also wanted the bit kits and the leatherman Style PS... but both were old out and the bitkits will reportedly only be available in europe next year...
    so I just got the bitadapter and now I didtched the other items and found other solutions..

  • @chones01
    @chones01 Před rokem

    I had no idea. I’ve needed a ratcheting attachment for probably decades and didn’t realize it exists.

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem

      Like I said..their marketing team..needs to be fired.

  • @andytipton8146
    @andytipton8146 Před rokem +1

    Surge has lanyard built in on the end already

  • @jamesteeple6984
    @jamesteeple6984 Před rokem +1

    Where can you get that black leather with the red stitch holdster in the upper left corner?

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +1

      Ah, yellow birtch outfitters.

  • @enb3810
    @enb3810 Před rokem +2

    Lots of companies are sooo bad at marketing

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem

      Which I can't understand at all...for got sakes it's how you make your money!

  • @alitlweird
    @alitlweird Před rokem

    *Leatherman™️* relies on word of mouth and brand superiority for their advertising.

  • @elr1s466
    @elr1s466 Před 2 měsíci

    Except the wave already has a built-in lanyard ring, and they don't tell you that

  • @BetaBuxDelux
    @BetaBuxDelux Před 5 měsíci

    I want a pocket clip for my rebar.

  • @Iisakkiik
    @Iisakkiik Před 8 měsíci

    Personally I think all of these are pointless because the whole point for it, is to easily fit into any pocket (with the exception of the pocket clip of course, which is a must-have for sure).

  • @janfiedor2023
    @janfiedor2023 Před 11 dny

    Im using Surge/Super Tool 300M with one bitset and Rachet bitdriver

  • @AckzaTV
    @AckzaTV Před rokem

    "Leatherman takes the leather out of you" unofficial text phrase. Catch it! Ooh it's a hot potato 🥔 🔥

  • @philipp594
    @philipp594 Před rokem

    All the bits on my leatherman broke. Since then I am using a swiss army knife.
    Oh and the black coating got ugly sooo quick.

  • @intriguinglyenigmatic1743
    @intriguinglyenigmatic1743 Před 3 měsíci

    I just want a pocket clip for my rebar

  • @whalehands4779
    @whalehands4779 Před rokem

    Ave a letherman charge+ Woodland camo. Year and half of use and one of the pliers completely snapped off. Never had that happened before. Trying to pull a bent nail out . The material looks ceramic almost. Don't know what it is. I still have to send it in to them. Gotta love their warranty! The bit holder you have, what is the thing in the middle? Looks like a wedge? I could never figure out what it was. I think I looked for it on their site.

  • @MrArcher0
    @MrArcher0 Před rokem

    I'd really like some tool blanks for my Leatherman wave in several different thicknesses. I have ideas for unique tools to replace the ones I done use. Any ideas?

  • @SnapCracklePip
    @SnapCracklePip Před rokem

    you dont even need the letherman tool....the bit driver case can mount the drivers/ratchets and function as a handle in a pinch......

  • @razor3151
    @razor3151 Před 2 měsíci

    This is a me problem. I first heard of and bought a Leatherman about 1989. Used it for several months. Got so frustrated with it I simply threw it away. A few years later. I discovered Gerber. Love and own multiple Gerber multi tools.

  • @Vlnt4ce
    @Vlnt4ce Před měsícem

    Can’t find the second part

  • @RP-dy5mu
    @RP-dy5mu Před rokem

    Actually there is only one extender and that is the ratchet. It is so good holy shit. If you don't have it yet buy it right now immediately. It's a game changer and you won't regret it.

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +2

      Only issue I have with it is strength..just don't put too much pressure

  • @sixfourlonley
    @sixfourlonley Před rokem

    I wish I could find a pocket clip for my 300. That would be cool!

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem +1

      I got you: amzn.to/3BnE2zo

    • @sixfourlonley
      @sixfourlonley Před rokem

      @@maxlvledc Dude thank you! These look awesome, I might put one on my phone too. So many options of what to hang on my pocket now.

  • @drtyjerz47
    @drtyjerz47 Před rokem

    Can you do a video or short on upgrades for the MUT

    • @maxlvledc
      @maxlvledc  Před rokem

      Hard to top perfection...but have you seen how the swisscard scissor fits in one of the bit slots??

  • @stephenjobe9944
    @stephenjobe9944 Před rokem

    If you go to the leatherman store on-line & check out accessories you can find all these products & more. But no videos, as it's quite obvious how to use them.

  • @gregwalter4032
    @gregwalter4032 Před 8 měsíci

    Do you know where to get a sheath that will hold a bit kit and a Super Tool 300 (as shown in the video)?

  • @opticweedhitler420
    @opticweedhitler420 Před 8 měsíci

    Would be 180 to get the bit set and ratchet screwdriver

  • @johnbrignall558
    @johnbrignall558 Před rokem

    Is there a special tool to use for bits I got two sets of the bits a Leatherman wingman and an extension for a gift I've never known how to use the bit sets or what you put them in is it a special tool

  • @Reecefpv
    @Reecefpv Před rokem

    What about a replaceable saw for the OHT lol

  • @erebostd
    @erebostd Před rokem +1

    Swisstool is SO much better anyways…

  • @beltfed4624
    @beltfed4624 Před rokem +3

    As a fan and owner of Leatherman tools for a lonnnnng time, I've learned that Leatherman is low-key about being exclusive. The "club" knows all about these goodies, but the common buyer has no idea. It's kind of like the Glock or Beretta clubs. My Super Tool 300 is a spoiled brat, it's always with me, but NOBODY gets to handle it or use it except me.

  • @Saltykernel
    @Saltykernel Před 4 měsíci

    I have a Leatherman Rev And I'm almost afraid to ask people for reviews. I feel like it's one of the more hated ones. I like it but I don't love it