Gear: Rally Raid CRF300L/Rally Long Stand (20mm) 4K
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- čas přidán 18. 03. 2022
- Gear: Rally Raid CRF300L/Rally Long Stand (20mm) 4K
I've upgraded the suspension on my CRF300 Rally, and it sits a little higher than before, so the side stand is too short. Previously I'd done a home made modification to lengthen the side stand with a plastic block, however now Rally Raid have one which is 20mm longer than stock.
www.rally-raidproducts.co.uk/...
This video is my install and comparison with the Honda OEM side stand. Installation is quite simple to remove the stock stand and fit the Rally Raid stand. The only tricky bit is fitting the heavy duty spring. If you have enough small strips of metal it goes on easily enough, but a straight pull is a challenge.
The stand itself is very well made. Better than stock, both in fit and finish. It is 240g heavier, but in my opinion it's worth it.
I hope it's been interesting and useful and maybe I'll see you next time.
Thanks for watching. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
My stock kickstand also had a lil play in it. I replaced it with the 380mm 15in Honda kickstand for the 250L advertised on eBay as Honda CRF300L extended kickstand silver/black. It also had the same amount of play after installed. I was able to use the spring puller to install the two springs, it was tough at first though. I wedged my right hand under/behind the kickstand bottom and used it as leverage to mount spring with puller. New kickstand didn't come with hole drilled for kickstand sensor so I just deleted the sensor.
Sounds like a good fix!
The spring puller tool works fine. You were using it at 90 deg to the spring. If you pull it in line with the spring you will get it first time. I'm 66 and not as strong as I used to be but I managed. Put the bike in gear and sit on the floor facing forwards with your right knee behind the rear wheel. Use the tool and pull the spring onto the lug. Tough but it works. Surprised Raid Raid haven't mentioned it.
Thanks. I'll add that to the list of better ways I could have done it. It is a long list 😊
Yet another highly useful video …. Which will save a bunch of time when I come to fit my RR stand. Thanks again 🙏
I think the penny thing works well for most that are that shape. I saw a Triumph yesterday that had quite a fine, twin spring setup that would probably need a different approach.
A car brake tool, kind of a pliers that has special handle design for taking on and off springs. Should make job easy.
Les
Thanks Les. And yes, this cat can be skinned many ways! I’ll add it to the list for next time.
Andre - just wanted to reach out and say thanks. I installed a Rally Raid "Long Stand" today - and used your video as reference. The 5 pence trick worked well even with our across-the-pond, 5 Canadian cent currency! Love the work you do on your channel - thanks again!
Thanks Adam, I’m sure there are a bundle of other ways (and that’s just from the other comments!). As you can probably tell, I’m working this out as I go, so am delighted when it’s helpful to someone! Ride safe.
Just put mine on my 300L and couldn’t have done it without you. Thank you!! There was no way I could have gotten it on with just the puller.
Thanks, though it seems there’s a variety of other ways (also not using the puller!) glad you got it on.
Thanks for the video. I believe the CRF300L and Rally should have had longer side stands. I was amazed how much my CRF300L leaned over even when it was new. I have added the SRC side stand extension to my bike, but I am happy to see a company selling a longer side stand. I have got a lot of busted knuckles from putting the side stand springs on my motorcycles. I finally started wearing leather gloves and shoving as many pennies in the spring as I can. Thanks
Pennies and gloves sounds ideal. I did manage to avoid getting any spring bites though. So that’s nice!
The first thing I thought when I saw the T handle spring puller was "wear gloves".
Absolutely LOVE the coin trick!
My 1985 BMW R80 has the best side stand. When you sit on the bike and straighten it up, the stand swings up so you can never forget it.
Noted. Gloves next time! 🤣
And yes, the ‘auto side stand’ sounds ideal as long as you remember it does that!
@@PeakMotorcycles As a teenager, I had "wrench rash" on my knuckles too many times.
In my later years, I would don a pair of leather gloves if a slip seemed highly likely.
Cheers Andre - just placed my order! 👍🏻
I guess it’s similar to putting a block on the stock one, but more solid and looks cleaner.
I've done springs like that with a good medium sized vice grip and gloves. Lock in a bit below the long hook and just push with both hands. Not Channellocks, not pliers...vice grip.
That sounds good. Perhaps I should do another video where I try out all the suggestions? One for the winter perhaps
Just fitted mine and glad i watched your video first. To get the old spring off i used your method but found an easy way to fit the new spring. I got a small ratchet strap and used it to stretch the new spring between the uprights of a storage rack in my garage after measuring how long it need to be to go on. I then filled the extended spring with 5p coins before releasing the tension. The spring then fitted easily and the coins fell out when i rotated the stand to its tightest spot. I would advise anyone doing this with just the spring hook to be real careful that the bike is well secured or supported by a friend as it could fall off whatever stand you are using if your not careful.
Nice one. That sounds like an easier way to get them in! And yes, it’d be easy to pull the bike over if you’re not careful.
Just changed the side stand and spring on my crf300 rally using pennies and it took only 10 mins, thanks for the tip.
Glad it helped. My your bike lean just the right amount now!
You’ve made hard work of fitting the spring.
Top tips - pop a washer over the loop of spring and then use a small ratchet strap from foot-peg around the foot of the stand to stretch the spring. Takes a matter of seconds to fit.
I did. Luckily the internet is there to remind me of this. I think I now have 12 ways to fit a spring, all different! Perhaps I should do a video and try them all out!
That happened to me when i was an apprentice.I still remember it to this day lol!!!
🤣 there’s nothing like being sent to get a left handed hammer after fetching left handed nails 🤣
As always……great video. Thanks
Thanks. Trying to decide if the …… previously contained contempt, ‘or occasionally’ or a hint of sarcasm 🤣. Perhaps ‘As sometimes…’ when I find an easier way, I should do another one.
i found that when i did my old bike put the spring on first before the bolt in the stand then u can use the stand as a lever to stretch the spring
Thanks Andy, I’ll add that to the list of better ways to do it than I did! (The list is growing 😁)
Top work Andre, you make the installation look so easy. Lol 🤔 Cheers
Thanks Peter. 🤣 apparently it is. Just to not me, late on a Friday night. I’m probably being an idiot though. I guess I could have not put the video up, or skipped the spring bit, but I expect it’s more entertaining to watch me suffer. Or maybe these videos get watched for my good looks and charming sense of humour… probably the suffering though!
@@PeakMotorcycles 🤣 you present yourself quite well. Good to see you at it. The side stand will be on my list, I’ll ask someone to help me fit it 👍 thanks
Love the coin trick, genius, a heap of Australian 5c coins should do the trick!! Thanks
Good luck!
That made me laugh big time. Thanks for showing this absolute insane amount of work you had to do to make it fit. Will help me once I get my CRF in a few weeks. Cheers and greetings from Germany.
Glad to entertain Nils 🤣. Apparently some vice grips (mole grips) work well too!
Or there are spring pliers same that you would use on drum brakes most wouldn’t have them but us old timers that have done rear brakes are selves are watching going this is a half second job either way you got it done at that’s all that matters. And I’m sure if you had a tool you wouldn’t have went this route.
@@Mathew187187 sounds ideal! I’ll see if I can find some. Thanks
@@Mathew187187 I had a quick look and I guess on a drum brake, you have the outside of the drum to put the non-spring end of the pliers. I’ll see if there’s a similar location to pull against on the stand.
No sir this is a tool that you put in the opening of the spring 1/4 turn and it removes it and for install you would pull on the long side thanks for your replies I’ve watched your videos a lot even when you weigh stuff lol. Keep it up I watch all 300l rally content I can find to learn and if I have advice I spread it as well the dumbest people I know are ones that don’t at least here out other options to better them selves. And I believe you are like me always willing to hear someone out and decide if there way is better way or not.
Greetings
As always fantastic video 🇺🇸🍾🎉🇺🇸
Keep producing more videos.
Thanks, time is proving hard to find but I’ll do what I can. Cheers
easy way is to get an old broken screw driver, grind the end in a U shape to go over the stud the spring goes over, and slid it through the spring then over the stud the spring goes on, the screwdriver will be at about a 45 to 60 degree angle just straighten it out and slide the spring over the stud, works great and is very easy to do, and keep the screwdriver for future use. This method is very easy and once you have the screwdriver made also very quick spring on in less than a minute. Have even done double springs using this method.
Nice one. Thanks Hilton 👍
Try doing this the next time you take the spring off . Instead of fighting with the spring after you put the bolt in on the stand ,hook the spring in place on both ends and then put the stand in the slot and add the screw . With the stand down you can add the switch and finish tightening it up . Put a screw driver through the bottom of the stand so you can stand on it and tilt the bike until the hole lines up . Its a lot easier to do it that way than the way you did it .
Thanks Steve! It seems that there’s a dozen ways to do it, and I picked the stupidest and hardest one! Cheers 😁
@@PeakMotorcycles There might be a dozen ways but the way I'm telling you is the easiest. Your using your weight by standing on it to hold it down on the ground and the weight of the bike to expend the spring until the stand falls into the slot .
Finally a solution. Show of hands , how many grabbed their 300's the first time they leaned over on the stand? I did it at the dealership,and was convinced I dropped a new bike in front of the shop. The salesman laughed and said he did when he brought it out.
🤣
Thank you
You’re welcome.
Good work with the spring! I would have been very sweary by the end of that procedure. Definitely looks like it was worth it though :)
Apparently mole grips work too!
I'm just a little amused that an engineer didn't give us one dimension, most importantly, the length of the kickstand. 😏
It does say 20mm in the title, which is how much longer than stock it is. Does that help? How that translates to the bike itself varies depending on suspension and loading. I can measure it if you like but only if you say what you need that information for.
Your little trick works wonders! I have a spring tool that actually works well because it has a larger handle that offers more leverage and better ergonomics. I bought it for removing even bigger springs on commercial lawnmower decks. But you still have to position yourself in line with the spring and almost put your weight into the pull if you are not strong enough to do it with pure brute force. It’s never easy., and your right, you definitely need to secure the entire machine before attempting removing/replacing the spring. Too bad they didn’t offer a stand with a slightly wider foot, I would probably loose the little red pad they supply you with. Itchy boots just recently cracked her kickstand in half, so that incident definitely proved where at least one of the weak spots is in the stand...
Hi, a guy from the CRF300UK FB group has an engineering company and made up some bolt on feet, I put one one those on and it seems to work quite well. I think RR wanted to offer a better, and longer, sidestand that had the same foot as stock so folks could add their own foot or leave it as is. Good to know about IB’s failure, I should catch up with where she’s at. Thanks!
@@PeakMotorcycles 👍
I was having issues with the smaller bolt holding the switch that goes into the larger 14mm bolt not coming out. Initially, I thought it was all one piece until I watched this.
Then, that damn spring! That was as hard or harder than the centerstand spring on my 2017 Africa Twin! I have soreness in muscles I didn't know I had! I have a different spring puller with a triangle shaped handle that let me get a bot better grasp and pull harder and could almoat get it with that, but I still used a screwdriver to lever the spring onto the peg. What a PITA!
Thanks Aaron, that’s the first comment that made me thing it’s not just me 🤣. Plenty of folks have given alternative ways of fitting the spring, all of which are apparently easy! I hope the workout has been worthwhile!
I was just reading some of those suggestions and some seem pretty good, they make me feel kind of dumb having struggled with it so much. Almost makes me want to take the spring off and try those other methods...almost.
@@aaronbehindbars I suspect that it’s not just you and me that made it into a home gym!
I can picture you now… searching the garage for random pieces of thin metal objects to wedge in that spring. I honestly would have lost my mind and probably would have bounced a tool or two off the walls. Lol
At 10pm on a Friday night… I should get out more. Mole grips seem to be a popular choice. I’ll try that next time.
Hi Andre. Finally got a suitable day to fit the SMART IAT to my 250 Rally.
Definately makes the bike smoother, but I need to get some more miles with it to be able to give a better opinion.
Its really easy to fit, just need to be careful with the 3 torx bolts and positioning the new o ring. Also its important to note the postion of the TP sensor when you remove the old one.
Great! I’d be interested to hear how you get on. Thanks for the update.
@@PeakMotorcycles my pleasure
What is a Smart IAT?
To block or not to block, that's the question ;-)
In my opinion it's faster with a purchased longer side stand to get the desired result (CRF standing more upright). More time to go riding. Have a great weekend, Andre.
Günter from Nürnberg/Germany
Agreed. It looks and fits better too. Had a great day out today riding various bikes; my CB1000R, a Yamaha R7, Triumph Tiger Sport and a Royal Enfield 350 Meteor. One was a real surprise.
@@PeakMotorcycles Ah, wonderful, Andre, trying out new bikes after starting the new season with your Honda. Later I go riding with a friend, this time on the Aprilia Tuono and he on his brand-new KTM 1290 Adventure S. First road-only trip this year. Need to squeeze in the battery, then fire the V4 up. Have a great Sunday, Günter
PS: The surprise was...?
@@enduromotorradtouren Meteor 350. 200kg and 20hp. Expectations were low, but I couldn’t stop smiling. Enough torque in most gears and it chugs along. Steering is surprisingly good and it turns in well. Riding position is comfortable and the pedals aren’t too far forward. I had a great time!
@@PeakMotorcycles Surprising, Andre. RE seems to be on a roll and hitting the right buttons.
@@enduromotorradtouren indeed. I would never have imagined a bike like that could be so much fun to ride. Apparently it was MCN’s (Motorcycle News) Best Retro Bike of the Year for 2021. There’s some competition in that category, so it’s no small achievement.
It helps a lot if you seat on the end of the bike inline with the spring, then that spring size is no problem using your puller tool. With your body position no chance...
😁. I’ll add that to the list of ‘better ways to do it’. It’s quite a long list.
I’d like to get that stand.
The improved and more robust pivot point is reason enough to change to it.
I have not adjusted the suspension upward on my CRF, so this stand might not be a good idea for my particular bike.
Also, it looks like I’d have to order it from the U.K.
Thanks for the instal how-to, and for the information.
You’re welcome. Early start or late night?! 🤣
@@PeakMotorcycles Late night.
I work 12:00 to 20:30 at UPS, DFW Airport.
Friday nights I can stay up late.
Wow all to take a spring off lol I guess there’s more than one way to do things
The nice thing about the internet, sometimes, is that you learn all the right ways. Apparently this isn’t it. Better suggestions include:
1. Sitting at the back of the bike, one leg either side of the back wheel and pulling it on backwards from there.
2. Tape round the long end of the spring and mole grips to pull it on.
3. Using a thin screwdriver and it just clicks on
1&2 might have been options for me, not sure 3 would work for me as it was 10-12mm short. I’m sure other options will be suggested.
I just spent hours putting things in the spring in just the right way to get it on my bike lol. I had washers in every place they could go but still it wasn't enough. But if you push the stand upwards hard the distance gets just a little shorter and it was enough. Now just the front and back RR suspension lol. Its gonna be a pain.
In the other comments it seems there are lots of other ways to do it. Good luck with getting the rest done.
Thanks for another great video! Rally Raid's website has "Availability: 4-6 weeks" :(
I guess I got lucky. They are making them as fast as they can, but the bike is so popular they are selling out right away 😳
we use spring pullers on truck brakes they work but you need gloves and a lot of force to get them on and off.
Thanks Sebastian, gloves and force seems to be the way. I’ll know for next time.
You don't need the spring puller.
With the stand up, hook the spring on the top position and a loop of heavy wire on the lower spring hook that is 1cm short of the assembly at the stand foot. Stick a large screwdriver through the loop and into the stand foot. Use screwdriver as leaver to stretch spring and slip it onto stand. Cut wire loop and pull it away. Bingo. Done
Thanks Tim, that sounds quite ingenious! It’s also the 4th way that has been suggested so far. All have been different. This cat can be skinned many ways 🤣
In your engineer opinion, would his stand be too long for a stock height Rally which I have. The stock stand is too short for sure in its stock configuration. I do need a slightly longer stand and also want to add a bigger footplate as your other vids shows. Those two look like a great combination
I’m an electronic engineer 😉, so not sure my opinion is valid, but a better measure would be to put a 20mm piece of wood or stone under your stock sidestand. If too upright, then not worth it. If it is still leaning ok, then go for it!
Was intent on getting this from Rally Raid as the stock stand is inadequate. Added it to cart, input info, got to shipping… $133 to ship a $121 part. One option for shipping, no other options. I’m sure it’s a quality stand, but does it have the mass of a dwarf star to justify the shipping costs? Got one out of Thailand for $100 and free shipping. Rally Raid can f*ck off, and then f*ck right off. Outrageous…
I’m guessing you’re not in the UK… if in the US, I’m coming over in June. If it works out perhaps I can smuggle one in and mail it locally? Drop me a note to admin@peakmotorcycles.com if that might work…
@@PeakMotorcycles I appreciate the offer, but I am in Canada. Enjoy your videos, keep up the good work!
would this fit crf250l?
I think it’s the same fitting. What I’m not sure of is how the lengths compare. The 250 and the 300 have different frames so you’d probably have to compare stock 250 and 300 side stands to be sure. If they are the same length, then yes, this would be 20mm longer on the 250 too. Rally Raid might be able to tell you for certain.
Anyone know how much longer rally raid is compared to stock. Looking to modify stock and need to know the length difference 😊
20mm?
@@PeakMotorcycles ok sorry. Wasn’t able to watch so wanted to know roughly the additional length. Wanted to modify myself by cutting stock and welding an extension. Thank you
@@TheZakkmylde no problem at all. I wouldn’t watch it either, but I thought putting the 20mm in the title might save others having to watch it too 😉
@@PeakMotorcycles lol. I was at work so couldn’t invest the time or maybe loose the job lol. My bad :)
@@PeakMotorcycles I just ordered the rally raid suspension and was told roughly it could raise the bike up 30 to 40 mm so I just assumed the kickstand would be a little bit longer. 🤦🏻♂️
For the spring i usually use mole grips and a carefully selected swear word!!
Seems like a popular choice!
I just screwed a piece of 18MM ply on mine. cost 5 pence
Yup, that’ll work. Though I expect your time is worth a fair bit more. I don’t expect this will be for everyone, and I managed with my free bit of plastic. I just thought I’d try one.
Real amateur spring assembly :(
I am a real amateur, so thank you. I’ve had plenty of suggestions for other ways, nine I think, so at least I have options for the next time, though I doubt I’ll get paid for any of them so an amateur I shall remain. I hope you have a lovely day doing whatever you do!
Do you have to get a suspension upgrade for this kickstand too work?
Do you find the stock sidestand is too short with stock suspension? There is something like 30% static sag on the stock suspension, so I’m not sure if making the stand 20mm longer would leave it too upright?