E156 - Mike Ford is Upset with HP Umpire Emil Jimenez's Call as 3B Ump Vic Carapazza Ejects a Coach
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- čas přidán 22. 07. 2023
- 3B Umpire Vic Carapazza ejected Mariners hitting coach Jarret DeHart for arguing a check swing strike three call on batter Mike Ford by HP Umpire Emil Jimenez (called at the plate). While Jimenez and Ford finished their discussion, Carapazza ejected DeHart across the field. Report: www.closecallsports.com/2023/...
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The way these players, managers, and coaches react to check swings is sometimes hilarious. My old association use to have a rule about who could work freshman games. Since they were all one umpire games, new umpires were prohibited from working them. You had to be at least a second year umpire to get that assignment and everyone took a turn or two working a one umpire freshman game no matter how much experience or talent you had. During one of my "turns" I had a check swing by a batter that I ruled a no swing. By rote, the defensive coach asked me to ask my nonexistent base umpire. I took off my mask, looked up to the heavens, pointed, and asked "Did he go?". I looked at the coach, who had a deer-in-the-headlights look on his face, and said, "He said "no", coach.". I managed to keep a straight face but everyone else cracked up.
When I work softball, our state organization insists on only one umpire for the 8U state tournament. So very often, UICs want to put the newest umpires on those games which is a terrible idea for the reasons you have pointed out with freshman baseball. A new umpire does not yet have the game management skills to properly officiate the third-world plays that arise at that level or to handle coaches who think those 8 year olds are going to earn a scholarship that weekend.
It's nice to see that I'm lonely in holding the opinion that low-level ball is NOT the place to put brand-new umpires solo, but not alone.
Ejection of Passion!!! Carapazza breaks DeHeart
It was a Total Eclipse of DeHart .
@@CCStmac LOL
Like Lindsay said there's no side view. From the angle I saw, I would have called it a swinging strike.
Yes, he swung.
Very hard to know if this long distance "see ya" was warranted or not. That makes this one a "Tootsie Pop" ejection, because "the world may never know"!
DeHart was yelling across the diamond at the top of his lungs to Carapazza that he missed the shit out of that call and wouldn't let it go. We could hear it all the way out in the cheap seats in Section 248.
The 200 level is definitely not cheap seats. Those are terrace club seats. The only cheap seats are CF bleachers and some sections up on 300.
@@Yumi_JayCheap is in the eye of the wallet-holder.
@@teebob21 okay but those tickets are literally 60 dollars plus and access to concessions stands you can't find on 100 or 300. Also it requires a ticket to let you in to that area of the ballpark. And when the weather is not ideal the inside portion of that level is great for that.
Except that Carapazza did not make the call.
@@alanhess9306 Lindsay asked for wrong answers only. :)
Gotta love how people don’t realize the rules.. this is the PU’s call first.. and can be appealed to a base umpire IF HE DON’T CALL IT… I agree with the call.. and I’m betting if we were to ask Carapazza.. he would too.
I understand the rule, and I happen to agree with this particular call. But I do think the rules should be changed so that batters can insist upon and receive an appeal just like pitchers and catchers almost always do.
@@mahasw777 The worst part that many don't realize.. the rule is PU's call is the call.. and He DON'T have to go to the BU's if he don't want to... now that's the rule.. many associations recommend doing it and the state that I started in made it policy that if asked, go to the partner unless you called it a strike... I sometimes agree about the offense checking.. but really.. it's just making them warm and fuzzy.. look at how many EJ's we get from check swing calls by the 1BU or 3BU in the majors... and some of them are pretty bad. Again, swing or no swing is SOOOO subjective.. just give it up.
This stumped me for a while, and then suddenly I realize. A pitch is a strike if (among other options) the batter strikes at the ball and misses, right? So if the PU says the batter strikes at the ball and misses, it doesn't matter what the 3B ump says. It's an AFFIRMATIVE call - so either umpire can affirm it. If one of them does, it satisfies the affirmative condition, and it's a strike. It's actually pretty simple, because the rule book doesn't define what's NOT a strike, except by exclusion.
@@ronpeacock9939 Actually, the PU *is* required to appeal in OBR (the MLB rule book) if a catcher asks the PU for it. Perhaps oddly, Fed (the high school rule book) allows the PU to decline the request for an appeal.
@@phantomtides1204 Last I heard.. only NCAA actually required the umps to do it by rule.. (though I’m taking the word of a few NCAA umpires for that.. never worked it).. I know NFHS itself does not, but 2 of my 3 states I’ve worked in required it if asked.. last I heard.. it was not rule at MLB.. that may have changed.. I”ve not kept up with Baseball since the pandemic… and all of their rule changes.. and since I’ve never done OBR, never fully up on it.. though mostly because many rulebooks use it..
Bugger ! If the HP ump had tossed Ford we may have seen a rare double, syncronized ejection.
Could have been similar to when Jerry Layne and Bob Davidson threw out Clint Hurdle at the exact same time!
Psst…The Carapazza Show. Waiting to see if he eventually eclipses Angel as everyone’s favorite ump.😅
Love Emil's composure, stop sign and verbal warning. Great job by that base coach to get down there and turn Ford to dugout. And V C from way downtown tossing Dehart...Wowza! Probably opened his big yap and we ain't having none of that from these piss ant assistant coaches. What kind of angle did Dehart have? Very little. Shaaaad Up! He Gone! And of course you get the ignorant comments from these no-nothing broadcasters. (sad trombone) Such good stuff CCS.
I agree Emil has been great and very standard in handling tough situations. He is very calm and does not make the situation about him
As a Rush fan, Vic was Closer to Dehart
Too often the out cry is for the batter, that he didn’t swing. The descriptions given by the "experts" tell us that batters throw the hands at the pitch. Or keep the hands back and let the barrel lead through the zone. Batters also swing with an inside-out motion.
All these things tell us theres many different ways to strike at the ball.
Many times batters are looking for a particular pitch and are committing before the ball gets to the batter. Then the batter recognizes that it is not the pitch expected. And tries to abort the swing. Often much to late as the bat enterd the strike zone, also known as the hitting zone. A full swing is not required in an attempt to hit the pitch. A bunt is an example. No swing required.
Give more credit to the pitcher for throwing a pitch not expectef by the batter and fooling him.
I feel like some of the perception that it's the base ump's call is perpetuated by the catchers that appeal down there immediately.
Looks like a swing.
Yay! We have a beef!
I love me some Vic carapazza ejections
IMO Carapazza is one of the most underrated umpires in MLB. He's in my top 5 favorite guys to watch work. #1 is Tumpane, and I don't know exactly who the other three guys in the Top 5 are, but Vic's up there for me.
@@teebob21 Vic is an amazing umpire. He’s now my top favorite ump. Joe west was my favorite before.
I missed the ejection in this game. I'm not surprised that there was one. The plate ump wasn't too great. I thought one was going to happen when a Mariners batter had a called strike that looked well high out of the zone and after striking out he kind of got in the umps face a bit but the manager came out and pulled him away. When I saw the ejection video, I thought that was when it may have occurred. But this looks like a different part of the game.
Does she comment back?
Only one way to find out!
Good question!
@@LindsayImber1 Lindsay, do you agree that on a check swing like this it just "looks better" to go for help? I do.
@@mptr1783 If I were a home plate umpire, I would object to catchers always appealing to the first or third base umpire for check swing calls. I see catchers pointing before the home plate umpire even has a chance to make the call.
@@mptr1783 No, as she explains in the video. If the plate umpire sees a swing, they are *not allowed* to ask for help and are explicitly instructed to call the swinging strike.
Assistant coach yelling from the Dugout and getting tossed seems to be a new thing. Did they just never say anything before or am I just living in bias because I see all ejections now?
Quick hooks, plus umps seem to stare into benchs more. A few years ago you would have to give them a map to know where they are located.
@@arley2246 you are making stuff up
I had this happen in my game from the weekend. though we use a 2 umpire system. A right handed batter is at the plate, I'm in the C position, and the Plate umpire asks if the batter went. I'm like, "how the #$%^ am I going to see that from here, let alone sell the call" so I said I don't know. The catcher, lost his mind.... what should I have done, to make that better?
If you didn't feel he made an attempt to strike the ball, make the safe call. I rarely will call a check swing a strike from b or c.
@@timhayunga2797 ok, that's what I was thinking along the lines of. I kind of felt afterwards, I would have been chastised either way, as the game was that intense. I'm a new umpire and a couple of things occurred that I hadn't "seen" in game, but had seen here. Maybe that made people think I was smarter than I actually am. Thank you for the advice.
@@foozbear603you could use that advice on most calls. If youre not 100% sure, why call it one way? Out, safe, ball, strike....saying "I dont know" is going to lead you to a short career......
@@mptr1783 interesting take on it. Would guessing lead to a shorter career? Is the established rule norm, " if you are unsure, then the person is safe"?
It’s a bit awkward when U1 ejects a catcher while they are on defense. Typically, something ejectionable from the catcher is something plate will address. That being said, it’s wrong of the catcher to do that. I would put up my hand to the catcher and say, “Stop…if you continue, you will be ejected.” If they continue or do something ejectionable later, let plate eject him. Unless of course the catcher’s behavior or words are so ejectionable that everyone in the park knows he should be ejected.
Actually surprised the PU didn't throw Ford for that too. I've seen a number of those "mask off, turn back for one more word, gone" ejections.
Yeah, with the dismissive wave of the bat, Ford should've gone too.
Third Base Ump hooked a guy in the opposite field dugout to get away from the blue jays dugout because they were complaining about airline stewardesses not being their personal nannies.
astros without yordan alvarez for last 6 weeks, altuve been out for just about entire year, no michael branley, lost 3 starting pitcher....garcia, mccullers, and urquiddy and still ahead of the mariners
Theory: The announcer actually thought Carapazza threw Ford. I think it was clear that there was a "discipline situation" involved, and that's why Carapazza was looking into the 1B dugout as well.
Jimenez tosses Ford, Carapazza tosses DeHart.
Mike Ford is a walking "discipline situation". We'll be seeing him a lot on this channel.
Only theory I have - and this is the biggest stretch (I'm bending backwards to grab my own ankles here) - is that its an assistant coach complaining and Jimenez can't see it due to dealing with Ford.
Otherwise, this is just asinine.
Ding. There's a discipline situation on the field -- Hell, I would've at first also thought Carapazza threw Ford, because it was clear (mask off, one more word, dismissive wave of bat) that Jimenez should've thrown Ford out of the game too.
Right answer is the 3rd base ump's ego was hurt. Going back to the strikeout there should be side camera reply for those. There is zero percent chance that a person over 90 feet away, at an angle not in line with the player and base, can determine a swing. No way a home plate ump would be able to make that call either. They are watching a 90 plus mph pitch trying to determine whether it's and inch this way or that and he was also able to determine if a bat swinging in the opposite direction was checked by fractions of inches. It's complete guestimation
How many games a year do you work? Grabbing an obvious check swing like this one isn't hard.
Tell us you're not an umpire in about 100 words! Mission Accomplished!
@@CloseCallSports Best response comment from a CZcams creator that I've seen all year
@@CloseCallSports you prove to be a bootlicker of all these umps in every video you produce.
@@teebob21 always the comment...."how many games..." I know the law, but I don't need to be a cop or a lawyer to know the law. All these bootlickers on your channel comments with know your lane. Can hear the narrator just going down on the umps with her unabashed praise no matter the call.
This is a perfect example of another MLB umpire just itching to toss someone. He had no business interjecting himself into a discussion from the dugout, because the HP umpire was already handling it. This season will break ejection records by far!
No. Not only are you wrong in the "itching to toss", but the fact is two should've gone.
It's one of the reasons we will break ejection records, because the players, coaches, and managers are out of control and need to be restrained.
@@michaelfalkner1186umpires and players/coaches are not really respectful of each other, based on the history of heated arguments.
@@mbdg6810 Getting worse, especially at lower levels -- but at MLB as well.
@@michaelfalkner1186 Are you comfortable with being so wrong all the time? I umpired for over 40 years and I probably didn't have more than a dozen or so ejections in all that time. Patience is a virtue and every umpire should exhibit that trait, because players & coaches frequently misinterpret the rules.
@@TheHockey12How many of those seasons were pro ball?
I see far too many guys proud of their 40 seasons of Pony ball and their lack of ejections. Reality is, these guys are doormats who are doing a disservice to the game and to their fellow game officials. No one wants to work with the guys with 40 years of first-year experience.