How To Skip Godskin Noble! Elden Ring Guide - Current Patch

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Komentáře • 338

  • @zacharybrown3010
    @zacharybrown3010 Před 2 lety +292

    how to skip godskin noble:
    - step 1, pick up the Fevor's Cookbook (1)

    • @donteddy1858
      @donteddy1858 Před 2 lety +18

      after about an hour of failing on the jumps and getting to the middle section only once that was my solution too ^^

    • @veluta2549
      @veluta2549 Před 2 lety

      i dont get it

    • @souna5755
      @souna5755 Před 2 lety +11

      @@veluta2549 sleep pot

    • @veluta2549
      @veluta2549 Před 2 lety +2

      @@souna5755 ye i get it now lol i beat him with it

    • @geoffreyhamilton4269
      @geoffreyhamilton4269 Před 2 lety +6

      Your comment was more helpful than the video.

  • @pdubbxdmobliegamer5244
    @pdubbxdmobliegamer5244 Před 2 lety +102

    hey man, you genuinely saved my RL1 run, I was on the verge of giving up. across Reddit, youtube, and every other platform where people talk about this Jump, no one ever explained the importance of attacking while Jumping. I tried for 2 hours without it (rip) until I saw this vid and literally got it first try. Also you gave amazing tips for the wall bit. really grateful for this.

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety +7

      No problem! Glad to be of help!

    • @hermanmudget7880
      @hermanmudget7880 Před 2 lety +2

      Same! I want that serpent blade for my rl1 run! The bow just aint getting it done no more.

  • @fosterbennington6405
    @fosterbennington6405 Před 2 lety +14

    Took me a while but I succeeded! It turned out that on the final jump, I was actually not holding left long enough, when I held left longer it lifted me up high enough to be able to complete the jump. Thank you for the in-depth guide, I’d still be stuck otherwise.

  • @B3rzan
    @B3rzan Před 2 lety +4

    Thank you Luc! After about two and a half hours i got down the Last jump. I would add to the guide that don't be afraid to jump kind of against the cliff while keeping the compass angle on the last jump.

  • @the_volk
    @the_volk Před rokem +7

    Man, you're still saving RL1 runs in 2023! It took me like 40 minutes but I did it. Thank you so much!! This is THE BEST tutorial for the Godskin Noble skip, appreciate you!

  • @RiazGT
    @RiazGT Před rokem +25

    Wow, it's a good thing this guide is for the current patch
    I was afraid that it would no longer work because this video has been out for 7 months and patches came out since then
    It's such a noble deed that he uses his time machine to go back and film this video on patch 1.08 just for me, such a noble soul

  • @migzdaleon9961
    @migzdaleon9961 Před rokem +8

    Patch 1.06 as of 8/20/2022, this still works. Dont forget to turn off the camera rotate etc, then dont forget to hold L1 for block before that last jumped. Did it in 3 tries. Thanks brother!

  • @dranthedragon7229
    @dranthedragon7229 Před 2 lety +1

    Luc1, awesome video, I hope you share more tutorials like this! Love your stream! :)

  • @whatisbestinlife8112
    @whatisbestinlife8112 Před 5 měsíci +4

    Great guide all around.
    Those struggling with the jumps, don't give up. I'm no speedrunner or precision player and still managed it within about 2 hours over two sessions. I took a break after making the pillar jumps and started to get frustrated on the wall climb. Best advice I can give is:
    Don't spam. Make your attempts methodically. Don't just keep making the same mistake over and over and get frustrated. Try the next attempt a little differently until you get closer and closer. Suddenly you'll make the jump and surprise yourself.
    Pillar jumps worked when I attacked rapidly after jumping and used the attack animation to change direction. I basically jumped and then attacked nearly immediately after and then changed direction in the air. I didn't try to change direction until after attacking.
    Wall climb takes patience and really being able to queue up sprint. Practice sprint-queuing a good amount on the flat before doing it on the wall so you get the feel for it (and understand what you did wrong if/when it misfires). I even practiced doing it from the side so I was used to it for the final jump. Work to be able to simply queue up the sprint and do the jump on the flat before spending time climbing the wall. Being comfortable with sprint-queuing meant I got the last jump within about 8 tries because I wasn't as confused as to what was happening when it failed.
    Blocking during the jump didn't do anything in the final jump for me, I think. But what it did do is help me get stablized and high as possible on the second jump point. It actually helps push you up the wall a bit and helped me reduce my spastic overcompensation trying to find the highest point and then making myself slide off. Otherwise wall climb is pretty much just as he said.
    Thanks for the great guide. Used it to skip Noble to get Dagger Talisman super early for a near-full parry/crit playthrough.

    • @user-of1fb3rd2r
      @user-of1fb3rd2r Před 5 měsíci

      Can't climb the wall

    • @theorangeman9147
      @theorangeman9147 Před 4 měsíci

      This is harder than anything I've ever done, and I've still yet to make the final jump.
      Although, unless I cloud save, or successfully get the elevator so I only gotta do the pillar bit, I still gotta get to Rykard, and this path feels awfully poetic so far in attempting to obtain his weapon.

  • @huphykang5355
    @huphykang5355 Před 2 lety +3

    Good guide thank you! The ordina skip would also be a really good one to cover (old and new patch). That place sucks.

  • @godsstepson1495
    @godsstepson1495 Před 2 lety +5

    I love you guide... I used it to do something else tbh I just wanted that smithing stone 7 ... Using the attack extended my jump enough or secured me on the edge and was able to get it on my second go tysm

    • @lumpyduck4196
      @lumpyduck4196 Před 2 lety +3

      That’s exactly what I’m doing, all I want is the somber smithing stone 7

    • @viciousyeen6644
      @viciousyeen6644 Před 2 lety

      @@lumpyduck4196 just go there, it’s only one Iron Maiden in the way

  • @The-Wock
    @The-Wock Před 2 lety +4

    I finally got it after many attempts, the key to success was finally watching the whole video got it first try after that

  • @see_dubbz5349
    @see_dubbz5349 Před 2 lety +9

    Man this really is starting to make godskin seem not so bad lol my thumb hurts

  • @ArleniaSery
    @ArleniaSery Před 2 lety

    Thanks for the circle and arrow I wouldn't have known who you were talking about otherwise!

  • @darrellsims4115
    @darrellsims4115 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Been trying for 2 hours using other tutorials and couldnt do it once. Watched your video and got it second try. Died to the lava slugs (im doing a RL1 run) went back and did it again first try. Died to the abductor. Did it again second try. Died to a lizard. Went back and did it again first try, died to fall damage getting the ash of war. Did it again first try, got the ash of war and dipped out before i could die again 😂 point is, other tutorials sucked, but yours made me a pro at this! Thanks again!

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 11 měsíci

      Glad to help :)

  • @bertwhetstone3173
    @bertwhetstone3173 Před rokem +1

    Excellent video, thank you!

  • @gogmazio
    @gogmazio Před rokem +2

    Doing a Rune level 1 run rn, gonna try it out, thanks!

  • @gloriousfruit
    @gloriousfruit Před 2 lety +13

    I’m not sure if some are still having trouble pulling this off. What I did before jumping is that the game does let the left leg float so I make sure I do that before I jump

    • @bigdawg2-454
      @bigdawg2-454 Před 2 lety

      Comment should be pinned this how I did it

    • @unknownuser2685
      @unknownuser2685 Před 2 lety

      how do you do that

    • @gloriousfruit
      @gloriousfruit Před 2 lety

      @@unknownuser2685 I just shimmy on the edge as much my character can go and then make a run for it

  • @leonardocarrion1996
    @leonardocarrion1996 Před 10 měsíci +1

    First time watching this vid and I landed the jumps thanks brother

  • @shaunhalstead5439
    @shaunhalstead5439 Před 2 lety +6

    Well its day #2 now and I've only been able to get all the way up the wall twice. For some reason I can't seem to land on that first invisible platform on the wall. I'm starting to think I should just beat the boss as intended as that would be much more time efficient (edit) watched another video by "blade" and turns out I just needed to change a couple settings. After that I got the skip 2nd try

  • @nasty8975
    @nasty8975 Před 6 měsíci

    Thank you for this❤. The very last jump can be done facing ne. Runn straight then curve jumping right using that same punching method frok the first 2 jumps i how waaaay easier.

  • @Rin-lv3yh
    @Rin-lv3yh Před 5 měsíci +1

    Ty for guide, going to be attempting it soon! Unrelated, but could we peep the sliders doe 👀

  • @WholesomeDemi
    @WholesomeDemi Před rokem +5

    So I honestly didnt have a reason to learn this but ended up trying it anyway for 2 hours and after dying by the Abductor Virgin 4 times and a lava slug, I finally made it to Rykard and then quickly questioned why I wanted to be there in the first place on a healer only run. Great video though!

  • @mankyplays7800
    @mankyplays7800 Před rokem

    This is an amazing help but if your struggling with the last jump remember to flick from left to straight

  • @jaymen3250
    @jaymen3250 Před 2 lety +7

    Dam. I just can’t do this. Tried a kazillion times. Guess I just suck

  • @Beetthatwentdelete
    @Beetthatwentdelete Před rokem +3

    Im so glad this exists, i accidentally got to volcano manor and cant beat the godskin noble

  • @JoseSky3
    @JoseSky3 Před 2 lety

    thanks bro for the tutorial bro, also whats your character sliders

  • @heyguyslolGAMING
    @heyguyslolGAMING Před 2 lety +3

    I noticed you aggroed the boss. Has anyone tried using poison mist thru the wall to kill him?

  • @justanormalguy339
    @justanormalguy339 Před 2 lety +4

    Brings me memories of the tree jump in ds3 lol

  • @hossambarakat6414
    @hossambarakat6414 Před 2 lety +30

    So after 3 hours of failing the last jump, finally, I gave up.

    • @helianthe3457
      @helianthe3457 Před rokem

      3 hours? Might as well try the actual boss fight :(

  • @efragonz236
    @efragonz236 Před rokem +129

    Bro this is harder than the boss

    • @kaido2469
      @kaido2469 Před rokem +2

      Literally bruh

    • @pedrovidigal923
      @pedrovidigal923 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Rly not that harder i did the first jump third try i am (i jus died on the second im gonna try again now)

    • @benben7667
      @benben7667 Před 4 měsíci

      Got it within 15m haha

    • @RickyTheFrog_
      @RickyTheFrog_ Před 3 měsíci +1

      Man fuck this im quiting elden ring i hate soulsborne

    • @benben7667
      @benben7667 Před 3 měsíci +4

      @@RickyTheFrog_ skill issue 👌 👏 😎

  • @bread_dawg
    @bread_dawg Před 8 měsíci

    MAn. I really wanna get this but I've been trying for an hour. Props to you for being able to do it though

  • @xxdemestrosxx
    @xxdemestrosxx Před měsícem +1

    the skip still works, i like to run arornd the noble before i set up my gear to get to the somber 7 early, so before sleeping pots become feasible for dps reasons. i think the tips for the last jump are misleading though. the jump has a slightly different animation when performed running into a wall. you have to jump WHILE running left. this triggers the slower jump animation, then you point the stick in front to give the direction. jumps at walls when performed this way increase the range.

  • @creepser1140
    @creepser1140 Před rokem

    How do i buffer the sprint and block at the same time? it just makes me kick (im playing on pc)
    (nvm, i just changed my controls)
    I'm also having trouble with getting up the wall, when I align myself to north east on the compass I just slip off the wall and when I stop moving it just slides me down and I can't make the jump.

  • @GamingSol
    @GamingSol Před 2 lety +4

    I cant seem to do the wall jumps consistently for the life of me. If only there was a grace after this instead of after the boss

  • @Tobi_tempo
    @Tobi_tempo Před rokem +1

    It took me 104 attempts getting up but still worked thanks

  • @soronir3526
    @soronir3526 Před 2 lety +3

    I buffer spint by jumping up and then pressing and holding circle.

  • @ItsHyfal
    @ItsHyfal Před 10 měsíci

    I know this is old. But I am wondering on the hard left, straight. On the final jump how long are ppl holding hard left to straight. I dont know how quick I am to flick all of that, and keep landing on the ledge below the needed one.

  • @RMR999KSA
    @RMR999KSA Před rokem +1

    thanks and it works on patch 1.08

  • @hippoking8111
    @hippoking8111 Před 7 měsíci +2

    i failed the skip so many times that i just said screw it and beat the boss after 20 attempt's (its my first from software game please dont judge)
    I'm mainly at this place for the somber smithing stones. But I just cant get the 6th one.

  • @Mani-wh5yf
    @Mani-wh5yf Před rokem +1

    is this weapon better than the Moon veil katana?

  • @heitorr2928
    @heitorr2928 Před 7 měsíci +3

    I managed to make the jump and soon after I died to larvae, because I wasn't paying attention.

  • @NuclearFurby
    @NuclearFurby Před měsícem +1

    Is this still available in the current patch ?

  • @stefanchaudhry724
    @stefanchaudhry724 Před 2 lety +1

    yo can you share the sliders for your character? for research purposes

  • @mr.meepysheep3232
    @mr.meepysheep3232 Před 9 měsíci

    I’m on Xbox and the first two jumps of the wall are so hard because the wall is lower quality and you can’t really see the platforms

  • @KLK01
    @KLK01 Před 2 lety +1

    Luc1 coming clutch.

  • @tommytomtoes
    @tommytomtoes Před 6 měsíci +2

    I cannot get that last jump. Sleep pots it is.

  • @a3r0LKS
    @a3r0LKS Před měsícem +1

    is this still possible in the current patch?

  • @TheFreakyVader
    @TheFreakyVader Před rokem +4

    The weird thing for me is the easiest part is the wall. I get it 1-2 tries every time on PS5, but the pillar jumps are abysmal for me to do. Any other tips on how to get the pillar jumps consistently? Great video btw.

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem +2

      I recommended just running straight into it, as close to the edge as possible. Don’t rush the inputs either, those being the turning jumping etc

    • @Ceb773
      @Ceb773 Před rokem +1

      I nailed the pillar jumps after about 15 mins. currently stuck on the wall jumps. I found it easier to do the pillar jumps on mouse n keyboard, run out perpendicular to the pillar (that is, at a right angle from the wall on your right) before jumping out and curving your mouse, holding W and D, and attacking.

  • @yanyanouyang7179
    @yanyanouyang7179 Před 2 lety +1

    OMG I hated myself for not seeing ur video soon enough! I tried for ONCE after watching this and it succeed!

  • @hentaimomoko4977
    @hentaimomoko4977 Před 2 lety +12

    Thank you for this! Could you also do one for the bridge skip to the somber 7 in the same area? Apparently they made the ledge you land on smaller and I can't make the jump anymore but I'm told it's still possible

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety +3

      Maybe. I’m not on current patch right now and haven’t really practiced that Skip. All I know is that you jump slightly more right than you used to. Keyboard would probably make it a lot easier

    • @hentaimomoko4977
      @hentaimomoko4977 Před 2 lety +2

      @@luc1 I see. Thanks for the tip!

  • @oneanimation858
    @oneanimation858 Před 3 měsíci

    My character doesn't want to stand there on the 2nd plat it slides off

  • @ChristopherShreeve
    @ChristopherShreeve Před 2 lety +1

    This boss is easy for me. I use a melee setup with a shield and a +9 pumpkin head summon. Spear + shield pokey pokey. Gets the job done!

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety +15

      Yes but this is for people who want to get past the boss within the first 9 minutes of the game.

  • @eccoc9099
    @eccoc9099 Před 29 dny

    Does tbis still work after the DLC drop?

  • @elphs
    @elphs Před 2 lety +1

    good guide :)

  • @goldentalon557
    @goldentalon557 Před 6 měsíci

    Does anybody have any tips on how do do this i just cant get it

  • @invincibledrank460
    @invincibledrank460 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice tutorial

  • @anbusnipe197
    @anbusnipe197 Před 6 měsíci

    Did they patch this I did the jumps can’t get up the back at all

  • @ignat628
    @ignat628 Před 2 lety +15

    I think it's easier to learn how to kill Godskin Noble on SL1 run with only your bare hands, rather than this

  • @mmgamer3156
    @mmgamer3156 Před 27 dny

    Does the boss glitch still work?

  • @DaNameSmurlo
    @DaNameSmurlo Před 22 dny

    A bit late but im pretty sure you cant scale the wall anymore, im pretty sure it got patched

  • @SelgaSausainis
    @SelgaSausainis Před 7 měsíci

    how tf do u get on the first step in the wall

  • @thegamingcompy6729
    @thegamingcompy6729 Před rokem +3

    I’ve been trying for an hour and a half. I don’t know if this is just really difficult or I if I suck

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem +1

      it can be quite difficult. once it clicks though you'll feel a tad silly. Don't get discouraged!

    • @thegamingcompy6729
      @thegamingcompy6729 Před rokem +4

      @@luc1 as an update, I took a day break just to do another run but I came back to the wall and it’s now been 2 and a half hours and I still haven’t got it.

  • @xRequiem0
    @xRequiem0 Před 4 měsíci

    What's a sprint buffer?

  • @jrrtt25
    @jrrtt25 Před rokem +1

    How does he stop in place on the wall? If I stop walking I just keep sliding off

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem

      Positioning error. That's why I tap forward a bit when I land. Can't hold forward for too long, or not long enough. Kinda need to feel it out!

  • @notsuicuu9689
    @notsuicuu9689 Před 15 dny +1

    Playing on 1.12.3 and it confirmed works

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 15 dny +1

      yeah I feel quite confident in saying this will never be patched. The nature of skips like this have notoriously never been fixed in From games.

  • @mrprisma8439
    @mrprisma8439 Před 2 lety

    Thx a lot!

  • @buttesaggington5523
    @buttesaggington5523 Před 2 lety

    This would be so helpful if I could land the first jump

  • @Marianfrfr
    @Marianfrfr Před 4 měsíci +2

    Great video i just did the jump after trying it for 1hr and 34mins still works on current patch (on keyboard)

  • @ZERO-ky8vm
    @ZERO-ky8vm Před 2 lety +1

    I finallly did it

  • @zacharybrown3010
    @zacharybrown3010 Před 2 lety +1

    no but seriously, great guide 😊

  • @dceasedbrickfan74
    @dceasedbrickfan74 Před 2 lety +4

    Sleep pots = Murder time

  • @devonar3194
    @devonar3194 Před rokem

    Probably not the best place to ask this ( i did enjoy this video alot i used to it get blasphemous blade super early because i thought it would be fun ) do you think you could use the spawn item command offline with anti cheat disabled to get consumable items for PvP? then go back online without getting soft banned. farming and self duping rope is just not fun for grease you should be able to buy

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem

      No. I’ve had friends banned who did this.

    • @devonar3194
      @devonar3194 Před rokem

      @@luc1 Ugh man duping greases the old fashioned way takes so longggg

  • @jager991
    @jager991 Před 2 lety +1

    Still workss 👍

  • @labakrapscalio451
    @labakrapscalio451 Před rokem +1

    You can buffer a sprint by just jumping in place and holding sprint in mid air

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem

      sure, but it's slower by about a second. This is mostly intended for speedruns and such. I also find it to be easier to just buffer with a pause

    • @labakrapscalio451
      @labakrapscalio451 Před rokem

      @@luc1 to each their own. I find jumping pretty easy, less inputs

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem

      @@labakrapscalio451 for sure, but it is slower still. If you're looking for just something to implement during casual playthroughs, by all means. For speedruns though i'd highly recommend using the pause buffer for the free 1 second of timesave 👍

  • @Xandorm
    @Xandorm Před rokem

    Thank you

  • @Gorguinni
    @Gorguinni Před rokem +1

    Did they patch it? I’ve tried for HOURS and I can’t do the last jump I’m not even close

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem +1

      It’s not patched nope

  • @jakeleggett5867
    @jakeleggett5867 Před 2 lety +5

    I FUCKING DID IT

  • @bigboibensontheasseatingma4174

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MY SL1 TWINK IS NOW READY, I AM NOT SORRY

  • @Bpakev245
    @Bpakev245 Před 2 lety

    ive been stuck trynna do that last jump for almost 2 days ive followed every step did they patch it or am i just dirt

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety

      It’s still possible on current patch

  • @ok-kaizer
    @ok-kaizer Před rokem

    tried for 30 min on kbm got tired of it so switched to controller did it first try lol

  • @SheWasAlmost18
    @SheWasAlmost18 Před 7 měsíci +2

    The last jump is 10x harder than it needs to be. Watch how speedrunners do it. It's way easier to jump while facing the wall NE and curve the jump onto the cliff.
    Doing the "quick left then straight" method is has never worked for me.

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 7 měsíci +2

      I literally won bounties/competitions for speedrunning this game. It comes down to preference, there is no way that is "better".

    • @nasty8975
      @nasty8975 Před 6 měsíci

      Bruh ty this is how I pulled it off.

  • @asteroid1633
    @asteroid1633 Před rokem +2

    Btw this still works

  • @GW3N_yt
    @GW3N_yt Před rokem

    I really can't do the last jump 😢

  • @riskyumbrella4874
    @riskyumbrella4874 Před 4 měsíci

    I literally don't know you can do that. I've been trying for so long

  • @ky8201
    @ky8201 Před rokem +1

    man I suck at the wall jump😭

  • @zui8op01
    @zui8op01 Před 5 měsíci

    as of 2024 february 3rd, it still works

  • @kvancpolatt
    @kvancpolatt Před rokem

    can someone tell me if it fixed? i can't jump last wall compartment, i tried like 2-3 hours lmao

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před rokem

      It’s still working

  • @lasandar
    @lasandar Před 2 lety +1

    After the patch you can Jump over but you cannot enter the boss

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety

      Well you don’t use this to enter the boss. You use this to run past

  • @eccoc9099
    @eccoc9099 Před 29 dny

    I found that if you go too high you will fall down stopping your jump

  • @lucynavi6890
    @lucynavi6890 Před 5 měsíci

    Whats wrong with the speedsouls site? It keeps saying the requested url was not found

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 5 měsíci +1

      Long story actually, but basically they switched ownership of SpeedSouls over some drama. New URL is probably needed, a little googling can help you find it 👍

    • @lucynavi6890
      @lucynavi6890 Před 5 měsíci +1

      Okay thank you

  • @BrilliantBouncingBall
    @BrilliantBouncingBall Před 5 měsíci

    tysm. got it in around 10 minutes thanks to this

  • @Gohan.6762
    @Gohan.6762 Před měsícem

    The rock wall I find so frustrating. It’s really hard jumping in the right places

    • @Gohan.6762
      @Gohan.6762 Před měsícem

      I just don’t understand how you do it

  • @7350652
    @7350652 Před 2 měsíci +1

    awesome

  • @Holdupjff
    @Holdupjff Před rokem +1

    You are a fucking saint dude

  • @dajukyung2nd
    @dajukyung2nd Před 2 lety +1

    good

  • @Nightmare-pj4fg
    @Nightmare-pj4fg Před 2 lety +2

    Ok fuck this. Stuck for two hours and can’t do the first wall jumps. Every time I fall off when I see others just walk into the wall and stop and they’re fine. Do you HAVE to have a female character or something? Are the collision boxes even different with different sex models?

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety

      It works male or female

  • @anoobindisguise4337
    @anoobindisguise4337 Před 2 lety

    What happens to the routing if this skip gets patched, assuming you don't downpatch? Do you still go for serpent hunter? Or some other somber wep - plus upgrading becomes a lot harder since you might be locked into +6 assuming From keeps trying to stop people from grabbing that SS7. All the other SS7 are so much further into the game and it would definitely add a lot of time to the run on current patch. It's difficult to imagine what even else you'd use at RL1, the serpent hunter is just so amazing. Ringed finger maybe? Super out of the way though.

    • @luc1
      @luc1  Před 2 lety

      You’d just kill the Noble with a +4 uchi

  • @GodfreyFirstEldenLord
    @GodfreyFirstEldenLord Před 3 měsíci +1

    Still works but that shitty robot killed me 2 times

  • @nitr0geno
    @nitr0geno Před 3 dny +1

    Literally impossible for me, the left then straight jump, cant fucking do it im kms