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Can Nikola Jokic crack NBAs all-time top-10 list with another title? | Dan Patrick Show | NBC Sports
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If denver wins the chip this year, dont ever put kd in front of joker all time ever again, its blasphemy
KD already behind joker.
Yeah I agree. If Denver wins it this year and Jokic wins finals mvp he's 10 for me. KD is at 14.
just enjoy his game, these kind of debates are not fun anymore
They're virtually meaningless....the game has changed so much in different eras.
"KD over Larry Bird?" is not up for a "conversation" or even debatable
KD better than Larry Joe…whoever thinks this must be high
@@aldenduffieldIII Correct. Horrible take. Even KD would admit it.
That is indeed absurd. Neither were great defenders. I know Bird is 3x All-Defense but I’m not sure about those particular voting results.
However, with Bird’s superior intelligence, toughness and anticipation he was the superior team defender. KD the better man-to-man defender.
Defense between the two overall is a wash in my opinion.
Bird’s a far better passer, a much better rebounder, a slightly better FT-shooter (check their playoff %s) and only a smidge behind KD as a scorer.
It’s not the rings that make Bird a better winner, either.
Bird was a leader. KD was not.
Simple as that.
Not a debate.
@@margarinetaintedgreen8140 Not to be a stick in the mud, but ask the Pistons if LB is a great defender.
@@aldenduffieldIII Are you referring to the steal->pass to DJ? I already said Bird had superior intelligence and defensive anticipation. I think Bird’s overall superiority over KD is clear and significant.
2 championships on a small market team that had never won before definitely means much more than doing the same on a team like Lakers, that you know sooner or later will do it again.
Denver, Milwalkee, these teams can go half a century without a ring, Lakers, at worst, a couple of decades, for a variety of reasons.
Stop saying small market. Just because Denver isn't part of the coastal elite snobbery, it is still top 16 media market. Will they ever command the same attention as the Lakers or Knicks or Celtics? Nope. The NBA cannot afford to let that happen, and I'm aware of that...but your argument is really weak. Use it to talk about the Broncos or the Avalanche and it falls apart.
@@lindahansen4077 top 16 in a league with 29 teams is small in my book.
Whomever gets to decide which teams are “(blank) market,” I don’t know. I don’t care. I look at how good the players are, how good their teammates are, and how tough their competition is. That’s it.
@@bizarroeddie1 Laker fan jealous of Denver and living in the past. All is right in the world.
@@greggibson33 actually i'm with everyone who plays against Lakers. They get the things way too easy for being the the team the media loves to talk about wheter they win or lose.
Imagine if Jokic had an all-time great shooting guard on his team like Shaq did. Just talking about total titles with no other context is a really dumb way to compare all-time great centers.
to be completely fair jamal murray is the greatest playoff riser ever. bro turned into a literal superstar talent in the finals
@@maximus3294 He's a good player, but he's no Kobe.
@@aaronhumphrey3514Murray’s 2023 playoff run stats 26/7/6
Kobe’s career playoff average 26/5/4
He has plenty of help.
To go against who? The next best big in the west is AD. Embiid & Giannis were injured the last two seasons.
@@Logany5 Why are you taking one playoff run (where they won the title what a coincidence) and using it against Kobe's entire average? Use Kobe's averages with Shaq for career and Murray's complete averages as a teammate of Jokic.
It's not close. Kobe >>>>>>> Murray in season playoffs finals whatever.
And you also ignored half the game. Defense. A 9 time all defensive first team guard vs a dude who never made an all star all nba team all defensive team never made anything there.
Jokic isnt playing with an all start. Duncan played with a HOF coach and multiple HOF players. Lebron once complained about the roster even while playing with two other All Stars.
To be fair, Mike Malone is likely to be a hall of fame coach if he wins another title. He’s well on his way
Jokic is GOAT
Shaq had a top 10 all time player in Kobe, top 30 in Wade. Yes he won 4 titles, but when you compare him to Joker who's best teammate to date is Murray, who even tho he's great, when all said and done ain't sniffing top 100 it isn't even fair. Give Joker Curry and see how many he wins.
He will for sure be top 10 if he wins another title. He's already in top 15 in my opinion
The question is who are you moving out
Shaq
@@TrggrWarningooof. He’s not gonna like that 😅
@@MusicalWhiskey yeah it’s why hes upset, he either feels it or sees the writing on the wall.
@@Lloyd00 Right now his comp is Malone. If he wins another title I'd probably put him ahead of Hakeem at 11. I wouldn't quite have him top 10 though.
Sorry, Larry Bird is a top 10, maybe top 6-7 player of all time. I would never take the mentally weak Kevin Durant over Bird. Never. Bird is a flat out killer. Bird is like Luka except, better passer, better shooter, better rebounder better defender. IMO.
Now you all see why Shaq said what he said the other day and got tight.. these ranking would change pending Jokic end season result. He don’t wanna hear that lol
Yep he felt Jokic passing him in the all-time debates and couldn’t hide his emotions.
@@deangulberry1876exactly. He was cute and lovable to him when he got his first MVP but 3 MVPs and one finals MVP and possibly another and it dawned on Shaq that Jokić is passing him by already. I get it. It's in his character as his 20yr whining and crying about losing to Nash shows. Imagine if an announcer said the same thing to Shaq the way he prefaced unnecessarily the 3rd MVP. He would have had a meltdown.
Exactly Shaq is a fan until he can sense people are coming for his throne. Same think happened with Dwight after the comparisons.
He won’t say this bout Embiid bc Embiid isn’t a real threat in any form to Shaq
As long as you look at Jokic as a center only then no he will not crack the top 10. Guy is one of the best centers and point guards rolled into 1. I don't know how you score that, but I've never seen anything quite like it. I'm just enjoying the ride.
The fact you're asking that question at this stage in his career, says it all. Mr. Nikola Jokic is the Unicorn, just enjoy, admit and baw!
Jokic is the undisputed GOAT
Prime Larry Bird is a top 3 player of all time easily
Except for Jokic he's better than anyone in todays palming and walking NBA.
Not a chance.
Correct answer.
I love Larry, he’s top 10. He’s not top 3
@@nogarden7274 look at his peak season stats combined with advanced metrics.
The most "popular" players who dont statistucally add up to Jokic are GREAT for the League. However, Jokic kost likely will go down as one of the greatest pkayers to ever pick up a basketball.
Shaq dominating in 1 dimension due only to size, he is out and he knows it.
Jokic never had a top 10 player name Kobe and a top 30 name Wade
Don’t forget penny was the second best guard in the league too.
can you imagine anthony edwards with jokic? That is what shaq and kobe are.. they might 5 straight
He already is
Goatic is already the goat
So what are the fundamentals that Duncan has over the Joker?
Defense
@@user-we2ik6qs9cand Jokic wipes the floor with Duncan offensively. Jokic is a better player than Duncan, the only people who would disagree are delusional.
@@smf703I love jokic but come back after he has 5 chips, then we can talk
@@apex8373matrix ? Hollywood ?😂😂
@@smf703 i am one of the biggest joker fan. But no, not yet, joker has to do more to pass duncan.
he can crack it on stats alone if he plays 3-4 more years, regardless of championships...
If Shaq never leaves Orlando, does he win 4 Championships? Could he have won 3 MVPs in 4 years?
KD isn't close to sniffing top 10. Come one. Dude is top 20.
A glorified Alex English.
it's not "can" its "when"
Jokic is the best center of all time because is the most complete center of all time, the rest were perecect in one or two areas of the game, jokic is really good in all areas (and improving at his 29 yo)
Duncan...criminally underrated. Easily top 5
Never repeated as champion.
@@rayleigh8 And got dominated more than once by shaq and kobe.
Ummmm... no
He's already cracked the top 10.
he is a TOP 10 center...
@onlyfacts3178
Top 6
After winning title he will be top 4 or 3
A wonderful conclusion by AG.
The march of time means any top 5 or 10 or 20 or whatever list has to change unless you’re saying all the new guys are actually terrible. So if you don’t want to tear down the old guys you stop doing top X lists and you just make tier lists. Does this new guy belong in the all time great big tier? Is he in fact so good he belongs in the all time great tier? Now you don’t need to tear down any old player and can just discuss the new guy vs the precedent set by the older guys.
Where people say that they rank players, they are actually ranking careers. KG and Duncan is the perfect example. Duncan is better in most people's eyes, but as players they are at the same level to me, one was just lucky to play in better teams. So to me Jokic is already a top-10 player regardless of how many more rings he wins.
This guy is doing same things when it matters as the likes of Jordan. What just happened the last two games has been incredibly impressive….one on one vs DPOY winner by design. Crazy
Isn't titles dependent on your teammates? Jokic won one without an all star side kick. I do think Murray is an all star if he can stay healthy. I can't think of anyone who won it without at least 1 more all star team mate. Jordan won 0 in first 7 years until Pippen showed up. All the big men he mentioned had at least 1 more all star on their team.
🙌🙌🙌
dumbest comment I've ever read 🤣🤣🤣
Jordan won without an all star. Pippen was not an all star 1991 and 1998 championship. He was a shell of himself offensively on their last 2 championship.
@@ccomm2288 So basketball isn't a team sport?
@@sinhnguyen8135 Rodman wasn't an all star?
I think the question is, where at in the top 5 will Nikola Jokic be ranked when its all said and done.
Top 5-10 is tuff bc he doesn’t have the defensive accolades of the other top 10 players like All- Defensive teams, DPOY and guys like Jordan, Lebron, Kareem, Russell, Kobe, and Duncan were great defenders and have defensive accolades that Jokic may never get so when we look at Jokic possibly being top 10 in the future we’d have to look at both ends of the court so if Jokic wants to be in that 5-10 range he’d have to win 4-5 MVP’s, FMVP’s, and championships and keep making All-NBA 1st teams while continuing to put up big numbers and impact winning at a high level but he’s got a chance to crack top 10 for sure but we’ll see what happens.
Jokic seeks excellence. Let's see how it plays out, but he is on the path to get in the top tier.
He has really enjoyed sticking it to LeBron so maybe he'll move ahead of him one day. Five titles -- earned not chased -- would make people have to look at him.
The obvious top 13 are Bron, MJ, Kareem, Russell, Magic, Wilt, Duncan, Shaq, Bird, Kobe, Curry, Jerry West, Olajuwon. The Kobe-Hakeem category is where Jokic would be after another title. This year, the Celtics and Wolves are worthy championship level teams for different reasons and it is likely they will need to beat both.
Duncan and Shaq had a lot more help in terms of star power.
I just don't understand this narative comparing Jokic with Shaq. Jokic is legit baller with great skills while Shaq was nothing but a tall tank who was dunking on peaople under the basket. There is no skill there. He couldn't hit a free throw if his life depended on it...and forget about mid range...downtown was just not even possible in his dreams. Nothing to compare there...
Correct. Nothing to see here.
Best shooter ever hes closee..
In order: Jordan, Magic, Russell, Kareem, Wilt, Lebron, Bird, Shaq, Duncan and Oscar.....If Jokic wins this year and finals MVP I believe he would move ahead of Oscar we shall see
Oh, I get it. You're trying to be wrong. Well done.
You cant compare Pre Merger Players with Post Merger Players. You gotta at least have that separation of eras.
not sure why this is such a big debate. Im a nuggets and Jokic fan and it seems like it would be a ways off for him to crack the top 20. Pretty easy to name off a bunch of players who have at least 3 titles and much more points than Joker.
But if its a question of skill then yes, Joker is 1 of 1 and an amazing talent/winner so far.
Winning back to back is very difficult. Warriors last to do it.
If he wins this yr he’s 12th behind MJ, Bron, Kareem, magic, Russell, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Wilt, Steph, and Shaq. I even put him ahead of freaking Hakeem with this ring. But he’s super likely to be top 10 that id be shocked if he doesn’t pass Shaq Steph and wilt. Id bet he ends up on my list the 5th best all time behind MJ Bron Kareem and Magic. And he has an outside chance of getting as high as 2nd. He’s that good imo
Maybe we should just ignore big men and think about "what he did for his team and teammates". Basketball's beauty is that it allows a clear view of how star power translates into individual stats and how it elevates teammates and brings results and success.
Star power and individual stats don't make teammates better.
Forget big man category. Jokic is a completely new thing. As Dan said he’s a “point center.” You can’t compare him to anybody else. He looks like he’s loafing around the court yet he’s doing a triple double with a steal every game.
People forget that steph was also involved in recruiting kevin to the warriors
"I mean Joker is better than Tim Duncan at every basketball skill but I would still say Tim duncan has better fundamentals."
What are fundamentals? Passing, shooting, defense, footwork, court awareness, teamwork, setting screens, using both hands, going to the right and left, finishing. Not sure Timmeh wins this battle.
How does Bird come out?!!!??!!! That’s insanity. No one in the league today, including Lebron, is better than Bird
Correct answer.
Jokic best big man that played the game and top 5 players all time, when is all set and done….
"Tim Duncan did not want to be a center." In terms of play style, he is more of a center than Jokic, who runs the offence.
True he's more a PG/C than what centers were then but when it comes to playing back to the rim, finishing, footwork and big man skills he's still an all time center
I hate when people talk championships like it’s an individual accomplishment. Like if Joker wins another chip he surpasses Hakeem?!? Teams win championships. There’s only so much influence a great player can have on that.
Correct answer. Which makes the discussion moot. But Dan needs content.
Yes it's kinda ridiclous but not fully.. To win a chip you need to have great postseason which is the creme de la creme of the nba. I think having great postseasons is more important even if u don't win a chip.
What kind of a mess is Dan’s top 10? Larry Bird comes out but Jerry West stays in? 😂 Jerry West is on the deep end of top 20 and Bird is going nowhere. Larry Bird has an argument for top 5. Stop it.
Tim Duncun was a power forward? 🧐
Jokic cooks when he wants to. But he's ultimately a team player who loves to pass the ball like he's John Elway.
He's 11th on my list already.
Hack a Shaq...when you can only make half your free throws, you should be practicing your free throws. The Joker gets disrespected since his game is not flashy. Too many fans mistake viral highlights for winning basketball. The Joker plays winning basketball. He does not have the equivalent of a Kobe as his wing man.
100%. Furthermore, the Nuggest are a drafted and built team. No flash, no big free agents. This is pure basketball everyone should be enjoying and supporting. I have no respect for the "Super Teams.' Another reason why Lebron will never be the GOAT.
Yes he will crack the top ten but he doesn't need another title to do it.
If Jokic wins another championship (and gets finals MVP):
1. Michael Jordan
2. LeBron James
3. Kareem Abdul Jabbar
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Bill Russell
8. Tim Duncan
9. Shaquille O'Neal
10. Nikola Jokic
Next 5:
11. Kobe Bryant
12. Steph Curry
13. Hakeem Olujuwon
14. Kevin Durant
15. Giannis Antetokounmpo
I’d take Duncan if I had to win one game or series but on a nightly basis yes Joker is a more impactful player overall. I guess that makes it a tie lol. Both great players so why put one over the other. Except Timmy has so many rings but that’s partly opportunity.
we want all the smoke💨💨💨
Big fan, but he needs 3 to enter those conversations.
RIGHT now its:
1-WILT
2-KAREEM
3-HAKEEM
4-RUSSEL
5-SHAQ
6-ROBINSON
7-JOKIC
8-MOSES
9-DUNCAN
10-EWING
Robinson over Jokic, common man.i
Top 2:
Kareem
Hakeem
Next 3 you pick the order:
Wilt
Shaq
Jokic
Duncan and KG are prototypical power forwards in their era. This is before KD redefined the position, but he’s an anomaly. Him and Dirk; to me those two are really oversized forwards.
Jokic is now top 3
1. Kareem
2. Wilt
3. Russell
4. Duncan
5. Shaq
6. Jokic
@@CHI-JORDAN-CHI DUNCAN????
DUNCAN isnt even the best player on SPURS history who has ROBINSON as their best CENTER ever.
NAME one thing DUNCAN did better than ROBINSON?
Why can’t you just let the guys play and just enjoy getting to watch them you won’t be here when they are forgotten and that will happen
I can't get behind those 1960's stats...Russell winning 8 STRAIGHT titles... Wilt averaging 50 ppg....video game stats!
Relax with Shaq , jokic way better… Give jokic prime kobe and see what happens
If he wins, he’s better than shaq. Shaq always had great teams and got swept many times.
Already better and it's not close.
I can only do a top 10 based on modern basketball which I say is the ABA / NBA merger and intro of the 3 point line to the NBA.
Jordan
Kobe
LeBron
Hakeem
Magic
Shaq
Bird
Kareem
Duncan
and there's a vacant 10th spot. I thought with Curry's 4th it was him but if Jokic wins this year it's him for sure. He's doing Wilt Chamberlain type things in 2024. that's literally unbelievable if you said someone would being doing that 10 years ago
Come on even Jokić Said Duncun Is still ahead..so no Point..but for sake of convo go ahead😂😂
I think Larry and Magic are joined. If ones in they're both in and vice versa
No. Two titles and three MVPs doesn't make you top ten. He has chance by end of his career to be top ten.
If he wins another ring I'd put Jokic over Hakeem and Karl Malone
Selecting an actual top 10 is as pointless as choosing a goat, to me there are 4 goats (russell, kareem, jordan, lebron) and 15+ top-10 players. You can't rank the players one by one, it's all about the tiers. There is the goat tier, and then the top-10 tier. And one day there will be 20+ players in that second tier but that's ok.
Individually, Wilt toyed with Russell for a decade like a kitten playing with a mouse.
@@greggibson33 I mean good for him, I think Russell was pretty happy with the results.
Jokic
Champions > MVPs
This has got to be the most pointless debate of all time. Maybe the GOAT debate is interesting, but whether this or that guy is 9th best or 13th best over a 70-year league history is just a waste of time.
Correct. It's nerd dum dum talk. But Dan needs content.
he’s a better version of himself, stop the cap…
Bird does not come out!
Jordan, Russell, Kareem, Magic, Duncan, LeBron, Bird, Shaq, Wilt. Nobody is getting in that top 9 unless they win 3 titles as their team’s best player. If Jokic wins this year, he’ll jump KD, Steph, Kobe, and Hakeem and be #10. If he 3 peats, then we’re talking major shake up in the top 10. At that point, he jumps Shaq and Bird and will be #7 as he will then have the same number of MVPs and titles as Bird, but will have 1 more FMVP. Oscar/west not in top 10 with 1 title each. Steph and Kobe don’t get full credit for titles won with a superior talent on their roster and who stole their FMVPs. Titles matter most. FMVP next, and regular season awards 3rd.
Also - you can’t leave Russell and Wilt out of basketball history. Wilt and Russell were known as the two best players ever until Kareem and magic and bird started winning multiple titles. Then Jordan came along. Then Hakeem and Shaq and duncan and LeBron. There hasn’t been enough dominance thus far to push either one of those guys out of the top 10. And zero of those top 10 guys were as dominant as Russell was except for Jordan. Doesn’t matter what era they played in, they still had all time great talent in those eras. For Dan to suggest you can dismiss that all time great talent shows a lack of understanding and a lack of respect. If those guys would have grown up in this era, they still would have been great.
@@margincharge3657 Correct on all points. Weak takes by Dan.
Anyone who says Bird will be leaving the top 10 knows NOTHING about Basketball..... NOTHING!!!!
Shag win 4 but how long he been playing jokic is young he already won 3 mvp could be 4 last year one championship already maybe this year to.
West and Oscar have dropped out.
KD is top 15 at most.
Projecting out, Joker is in. Moves past Akeem., Moses.
West over Kd easily
I am so tired of people including Oscar.
He can crack anything he wants including the top 1 spot. He is still playing. Jordan is done and LeBron is on his way out. Jokic does not have a great team Murray is always hurt
That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. "Want" has nothing to do with the team that's around you
Steph is top ten if you watched NBA only since 2015😂
No he is not
Larry Bird is only 2nd to Kareem, which by the way you guys are talking Centers and not one mention to Kareem. Unbelievable. You might say MJ is better than Larry, but not while Larry was playing, that's for sure. LeBron is good, but he ain't no Kareem nor MJ.
Dan Patrick sounds like a member of the Racist Black Militant Media questioning Joker's Heart and motivation
SHAQ...criminally Overrated. No where near Top 10
If he was black he’d already be on ESPN’s top 5
Durant is not a top twenty player. Is Durant better than Hakeem, I don't think so. Durant is similar to Dwayne Wade is ability and both are dropping close to top thirty-five, at best.
Such lazy reasoning. Jokic can shoot threes, and free throws, and has the vision and passing of Magic Johnson. No comparison to Shaq. Championships depends on you team and the competition as well.
No. Calm down he's still in his 20s. He's not already better than Shaq and Hakeem even if he wins this year.
Lol he put 🐐 Larry Joe out of top 10,i guess hype is everything isn't it..
Larry Bird taken out ? Your mad or in drugs take out kd kd not a leader like bird
Duncan's 10
Kobe's 8
Shaq's 8
Joker's 5
rings, mvp,fmvp..
He was robbed last year by crying Joel. He is one of the best to ever do it and that too in a small market. To put that in perspective, Steph never won 3 MVP, Neither did KD. He wins one more & he is right there with Kobe in MVP numbers.
Love Patrick for many years ..love Jokić to death ..but he is not Duncan, Olajuwon or Sheq...and why comparing !? Maybe one day, but now , it just puts shadow & hate on social media. as far as for Duncan not wanting to be a center ...he played in the era of, R Wallace, Webber, Garnett, Stoudermare, even Barkley..it was tougher to be a 4 than 5 in his era
he’s objectively better than the Dream if they go back to back with 3 MVP’s
I mean he didn't say Jokic is better, he asked. But I agree with u, Joker shouldn't be compared with Shaq, Hakeem or Duncan (who was best out of these three), maybe one day. I only hate the take where he kinda equals ring with MVP titles. For me rings r much bigger accomplishment than MVP titles.
CURRY isnt even in the TOP 20.
Steph isn’t and will never be a top 10 player. He’s the most prolific shooter of all time for certain but definitely not top 10