Will Nikola Jokic Ever Win Another MVP Award? Dan Patrick Explains Why He Doesn't Think So | 5/9/24
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- Dan Patrick reacts to Denver Nuggets star Nikola Jokic winning his 3rd NBA MVP Award as explains why he thinks Jokic will probably not be awarded another one for the rest of his career
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The REAL MVP 4 years in a row ❗️
He did win the finals mvp last year is 4 in a row anyway
Lebron should've had 7-8 so whatevs.
Shaq always makes it about himself. He's the worst NBA Analyst on TV. In fact calling him a Analyst is very misleading #SMH
he is show man he is not analist.he is eyes balls atracter.
Kenny is the brains of that trio, so what does that tell you?
If you wanna make a case for another MVP this year instead of Jokic, it’s for Luka, not SGA. But we know why the media isn’t supporting that. Gotta promote the race wars
Totally and that’s crazy. 1 month ago EVERYONE was hyping Luka. SGA was out of the convo. EVERYONE was saying Luka must have it!!!
Luka is White, he have big disadvantage, maybe he change his color
How good would the Knicks have been without Brunson? That is the real mvp or SGA. Both teams overperformed.
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Agreed, Jokic is black that is why he won three times.
He won't because people feel the need to be contrarians. Look at how Shaq reacted last night, it was an absolute joke how he handled that. Three is great for this era, and I don't think Joker cares either way.
Shaq overrated and racist ass, showed it very clearly. Wilt was better anyway.
Serbian guy here, I am still sad about last year MVP, he would be unicorn like Bird, Wilt and Russel with 3 in a row. I think Luka should've got it this year, and this was more "WE ARE SORRY JOKER FOR LAST YEAR, WE DID MISTAKE, HERE YOU GO". Anyway, I think Nikola is now in that group where rings matter the most. So fingers crossed that somehow Denver gets stronger bench next year and he can get at least one more chip. It would be amazing for us from Europe to have a top10 player in history, cause a lot of them are cruising like from 15-25th place on all time list. Cheers
@@stefkoblHe will get swept and exposed in due time by MN. Barely plays any defense and will continue to rely on his supporting cast to pull through whereas Lebron would single-handedly will his team to the Finals -- on offense and defense -- but gets hated on.
His title run with the Nuggets has closed already. Put any other All-Star player in place of Jokic and they also can win multiple MVP's dishing to that line-up. But, conversely, shut down that line-up and Jokic shuts down too unlike Steph, Bron, etc.,.
@@zhc2200 No point in arguing with haters, but I will try to be short. 2020 lost to future champ, 2021 lost to finalist, 2022 lost to future champ, 2023 champion. Both you and me will be 6ft under, but his name will be writen in history :) And if you have this many haters, that means he is doing good job.
Bye 👋
@@stefkobl The arguments you are making can be made for so many players. The most important point is he does not play defense, and defense is a HUGE part of basketball, which makes him by definition not the most valuable player in basketball because he only excels in one half of the ball
Jokic earned the MVP award based on his impressive basic statistics, leading advanced statistics, and his team's strong performance.
If he continues to excel in the future, there is a strong possibility that he could win MVP again.
He'll have to win another Finals otherwise the voters wont give it to him even if he fits the statistical criteria
No because they're getting swept. MVP getting swept means they were wrong.
If he wins another championship maybe he wins another MVP but even this way is very difficult. Voter fatigue + equaling Lebron and Wilt
How good would the Knicks have been without Brunson? That is the real mvp or SGA. Both teams overperformed.
If they win this tear somehow, he ll win all least one more, if they get boinced by Minnesota he ll never win again for sure
Shaq's "analysis" actually favored Joker on almost every point. Nash is still living in his head to this day. Joker won his 4th MVP in a row, and it just kills Shaq. ( I said "won", not "awarded". Embid should pay Perk a million for last year's "award" )
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shaq is a dumb ogre and he has the gall to become angry when called Shrek. His analysis don't mean shit just like his doctorate
Shaw has changed his tune about Joker where he used to be enthusiastic about him bringing back the big man to the NBA cause Joker is climbing the ranks of all time big men and that threatens him
because they let no rugged blacks in the league anymore. No more black kids outta high school anymore.
Totally. Last year Shaq was all « Jokic is great! He’s my buddy! »
Brian Shaw?
He should have won it last year.
Shaq basically said to joker, you beat cancer but cancer should have won.
Shaq's literally Xitler 😂
Tf?
I've been rooting for the Nuggets my whole life. My dad's side of the family have been rooting for them since the ABA days. I didn't want joker to win MVP, the MVP convo has become so idiotic and nasty Jokic doesn't deserve that. Can we just appreciate his greatness instead of defaming men for clicks and views? He was an afterthought, a 41st overall pick, and now is one of the greatest European basketball players that ever lived.
@Hoodlum728 he is only one of few players that have ever made my jaw drop to the floor in my life. The hate just gets pumped and pumped at him, for no good reason besides self-interest. It's just disgusting, man.
@Hoodlum728 During the Nuggets Lakers series, I enjoyed watching lebron play amazing at his age. I was shocked because no one had ever done that before.
How good would the Knicks have been without Brunson? That is the real mvp or SGA. Both teams overperformed.
Not one of the greatest European players he is one of the greatest players in nba history, the American thinking needs to change even as a fan you still sound biased
@RodriqueMcbean it's not being American excellence biased. I'm being modest, Nikola can 1000% be a top 5 player of all time. I personally don't think he is there YET. Him, and Dirk are the two best European players ever, and luka will be there quick as well.
Every year will be the same race Joker and the another guy. Congrats to Joker
Actually Shaq WANTS the MVP to be a stats stuffer, he didnt think Jokic had monster stats. Ernie had to inform him that Jokic did have incredible stats. But thats Shaq lol
Winning MVP is more punishment than reward.... F the Media!
Dan Patrick, thank you for bringing out Shaq's unprofessional comments and for defending Nikola Jokic.
The NBA should adopt NHL MVP voting. Wayne Gretzky won 9 MVPs, including 8 in a row lol. They're not gonna play forever, give it to them whenever they deserve/earned it
MVP has lost its meaning. Now its about validating opinions of NBA media, basically a big circle jerk of people who dont really watch, never really played.
Great point
Thank you for not playing that Stat of the day song lol
What if he averages 30ppg 13rebs 8assist then put Denver in #1 again with 60+ wins....won't that guarantee an MVP
Nope because they're getting swept. MVP gets swept.
@@NYUArchaeologyIt's a regular season award.
Hard to guarantee that award because it's a vote and people are fickle and much of its narrative. He'll have to blow away the competition to get #4. If anybody is capable, it's him. He'll pass #3 on all time triple doubles next year probably
@@NYUArchaeologyyou are definitely special
@@chadmiyamoto9411 swept if they lose. MVP getting swept means it's a fluke award.
Nikola is only 29. As long as he keeps putting together the most complete seasons in the NBA, he SHOULD keep winning the MVP.
Great segment.
Shaq is an angry mumbling troll. He’s underachieved for his career because he loves burgers and pizza WAAY too much. He’s not even in the Top 5 Lakers ever.
So Shaq salty because they did it to him, so he’s doing it to Joker now? Man child…🙄
I watched Shaq. He was beast in the paint, great dominace but he was really bad at ft and he didnt shot 3s.Joker have all except vertical jump.Imagine Joker with his skill and mind with crazy jumping and blocking shots...No one is perfect.
Shaq was a less skilled and weaker version of Wilt.@@aleksandarv8149
Narcissist #1 playbook technique ... PROJECT ONTO OTHERS WHAT YOU FEEL HAS BEEN DONE TO YOU!
Only they didn’t do it to him, that’s only his view. Nash deserved it over him, no doubt.
Shaq sounds like a box fan when he speaks.
As someone who who watched prob 60 of Denver’s games . Jokic could EASILY average 33-35 a game if he wanted. He truly doesn’t stat chase
I've always looked at it as who had the more Valuable SEASON. Whose season brought the most value for that particular year. And many times that is not the best player overall, because many times the best player doesn't have a stellar season that year and someone else has a phenomenal one for that particular time
Yeah, I feel this year’s MVP award is a bit of a making up for last season. For Jokic to win another one, he would have to put up some crazy numbers because what he is doing now is the new norm, voters will be numb to it.
Jokic should have gotten 4! They gave it to Embid last year of Media pushing it
Every guy who watch NBA knows that Jokic won last year and he will won next year no metter what they vote.
How did Ant get there? He has been anointed the new face of the league.
I haven't watched this show in years. This doesn't look like the same cast. Can somebody tell me what I'm missing. Thank you
I say yes but he has to be a clear winner now (obvious choice next to his closest competitors).
All three top guys had a strong case for award.
Your team’s performance, regardless what is said publicly, does factor into a close MVP race
Joker won an MVP for four straight years... one just happened to be Finals MVP.
Another International player may be MVP. Embiid, Giannis, Luka, Wemby.
Jokic just won his 4th in a row
Luka deserved 2nd place
2 thumbs up and others have 40 or 50 ? Shady bs goin on
Dude doesn’t know what he is talking about.
Laker Fans have known about Josh Hart since his rookie year when we drafted him
Problem with Voting is the definition of value......
Dan! He said SGA was a stat stuffer! Not Jokic! He was talking about all the criteria. Now your whole talking point is moot
No lies were told
Dan, be “stat-stuffer” Shaw meant something positive; ie, just wracking up stats (vs just putting up relatively “empty stats”.
I think Shaq was saying you gotta be a stat stuffer. Which Jokic was the better stat stuffer.. so it was a dumb argument
Jokic for sure deserve MVP dude is best team player ever, so unselfish! If Jokic care about his stats he could have 35 15 15 for sure per season
I think someone missed the point of what Shaq was saying ... Shaq was saying that SGA had better stats .... not the Joker...which is bs but I think its important to actually listen to what he said if you going to talk about it... This is exactly why Earnie called Shaq about stats comment and asked about Jokers 3ple doubles....
No one that looks like Jokic will ever win the MVP again 😢
Jordan is still financially the most valuable player. He probably sells more shoes than anybody and nobody would be making the money they’re making now if it wasn’t for him and what he did for the game.
He won it ;)
In my opinion.
I think it’s wrong to discount anybody’s chances to win the MVP before the season even starts ❗️
I wonder if Jokic will ever play with another all star?
4 in a row in my book.
Dan Joker absolutely can NOT have a bad game. Have you not been watching these games?
I love Shaq. I grew up watching him play. He's a genuinely good guy and helps out tremendously in the community. All love ❤️. But fuck your feelings. Jokic is the MVP and he deserved it. That guy is not flashy or outspoken and shies away from attention but that's his personality.
I know one thing though is that foreign 7 footer can play ball and he shows it every single game. You don't have to like Jokic but respect his game cause it is impeccable.
Does it really matter to you if a player wins an MVP or not. Just like Babe Ruth...One hundred years when you and me are dead and buried, maybe ten people in the world will might mention it. Power, Fame, and Championships are all fleeting no matter how much we believe we will live forever!
Dan voted for MJ even during '94-'95 seasons😂
Given the nonsense discussions when he does win the MVP, I'm sure Jokic doesn't want to win another MVP for the rest of his career. He's the perennial MVP to his daughter, his wife, his brothers, his teammates and the state of Colorado. That's good enough for him.
If denver get a miracle and turn this series around somehow win the chip, i think he ll get it next year for sure
If it doesnt happen, he ll never win it again
I don't think so either. 3½ is about right. And I am his biggest fan. Luka, SGA, Ant Edwards, Ja. The league NEEDS these players to take the lead. Jokic will always get 25 12 & 9. But folks are bored with his dominance.
From 2007 to 2020 lebron could have easily been handed 10 MVPS
Not only did Dan misinterpret what shaq’s point was … he then went on to act like shai simply wasn’t worthy of the award this year which is completely false , do better Dan and Danette’s
the only thing against Joker's MVPs is his first one, which is not undeserved but came to be because Giannis got voter fatigue. REGARDLESS, he should have gotten three in a row at least including this year.
It wasn’t close, it wasn’t even close. 79,….15,….. WHAT THE FCK
Well no one else is mentioning that Dan completely failed to comprehend shaq. He said he DOES WANT A STAT STUFFER! He wasn’t accusing jokic of stat stuffing. He said luka and shai had better numbers and shai had a better seeding. How can you make a whole segment off of a misinterpretation?
Yes.
Which is even more ridiculous, because Jokic's stats are better. It seems to Shaq that stats = points.
@@ConsciousBreaks his stats aren’t better than luka though… shai averaged more points on a better seeded team. Jokic didn’t lead the nba in any major statistic and wasn’t on the best team. It’s just odd that now they are changing the criteria in order to give it to jokic every year. Shaq is making the point that winning an mvp used to make it harder to win another one but now it makes it easier for some reason. Keep in mind shaq only has one mvp and so does Kobe. You’re telling me that jokic is more valuable than those guys and is equal to magic and bird? Doesn’t make sense to me.
@@calebconver2188 To me, neither the "best player on the best team" nor "baddest" player criteria should be what determines MVP.
I have a similar view to JJ Redick: we need to weigh team success as well as individual stats/greatness (60/40 is what JJ proposed). I think we can all agree that one of the most important metrics for value is actually winning. We all know that you can pad stats on bad teams, so we can't simply say who has the best stats. Can a player actually be "most valuable" if their stats don't translate to actually winning? In what sense are they valuable, then? On the other hand, we can't just say the best player on the best team because it's not fair if you just happen to have better teammates.
As for SGA and Jokic, they have the same team record. The only difference is via the tiebreaker, so that's virtually irrelevant. Jokic's individual greatness and stats IMO exceeds SGA's (more assists, way more rebounds, leads the league in TS% for players with 20+PPG).
As for Luka, he has much better stats than SGA, at slightly worse efficiency (quite a few more turnovers too), but it hasn't translated to the same level of team success. This one could go either way.
@@ConsciousBreaks yea I understand your point from an idealistic perspective however there is precedent that needs to be factored in also. The precedent is that if a player has already won an mvp and it’s a close race then the award goes to someone that hasn’t won it yet. It was the same with shaq and Kobe and lebron and jordan. Now that jokic has 3 mvps he has equaled magic and bird yet in all time rankings he isn’t even close to top 10. If he actually plays even better next year and wins 4 now he’s tied with lebron. It devalues the importance of the award in terms of its value in assessing a players greatness when someone who isn’t top ten all time has as many as guys that are on the Mount Rushmore of the game.
@@calebconver2188 I definitely disagree with that, on both fronts.
First, I'm of the opinion that it's better late than never. Just because something was broken in the past doesn't mean we have to keep doing so. The NBA used to not record blocks and steals, so does that mean they should've kept doing so? (It's unfortunate because Wilt would've had so many more records and would easily be the all time triple double leader by a huge margin.) Side note: it's hard to say Shaq/Kobe should've had more than 2 MVPs each with my criteria, given teams' records and other players hitting their prime at the same time like Duncan, and Lebron.
Second, it doesn't make sense to gatekeep MVPs because he's not top 10. Part of the reason those people are in the top 10 to begin with is precisely because they won MVPs, so the argument is somewhat circular. Besides, as time goes on, it's going to become harder and harder to break into the top 10 (look at Curry, people are only now *sometimes* putting him in the top 10). If that's the case, then that means we're going to reach a point where no one should ever win 3 MVPs anymore. Moses Malone has 3 MVPs and I think most would agree that Jokic is at least on par with him all time, which means he will easily surpass him when all's said and done.
If jokic was black he would’ve been unanimous.
wilt chamberlain is the most dominant center of all time. wilt benched pressed 465 pounds @ 59 years old. prime Shaq benched pressed 460 pounds! shaq hates that folks don't recognize him as as the BEST center of all time. hakeem & patrick ewing had better skill sets than shaq.
He will take mvp aword next two years.he is getingg better.he just need Maxie , Jalen Smith and some facki..g big guy like zubac to rest him 18 min.They should trade murray,and couple of guys too
I’m not sure if they will allow him to win another MVP. I honestly think the league will try to move away from Jokic way the way they tried to move away from Tim Duncan when he was dominating the NBA in the early to mid 2000s. That’s why they’re leaning heavily into hyping Anthony Edwards, as the potential next face of the NBA. Don’t get me wrong, Anthony Edwards actually is the real deal, but right now he’s not even close to as accomplished as Jokic currently is and most likely will continue to be.
I'll bet he said the same thing after MVP #2.
I remember Tim Duncan getting robbed of a MVP back in 99.
Can Joker win with out Murray that's the question
Every word is truth,they will do everything to him not win again..
dan would vote for jordan for mvp...TODAY!!! dan is obsessed with MJ.
Dan always shows how he’s a great sports broadcaster, but not so great of an analyst. Two different skill sets.
Nuggets won't win another title? Cmon Dan 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Murray missing time really is why joker won mvp again...they would of won 65 games if he played
So how valuable is Joker really, then?
Very Much, means He carried them to Excellent Record. He is the Best Basketball Player of the last 4 Years, deal with it ...@@timm439
@@timm439 Valuable enough that they'd be a lottery team without him.
So wait, he voted for Jordan over Tim Duncan twice?
Jokic will be top 20 let's not give him that already....guys like kg dirk barkley thomas west moses are in that area...
Pričaš glupostoVeć sada je Jokić br.2 svih vremena ,br.1 je Džordan .
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29 years old and Jokic has no chance to win another MVP? Bad take
Dan focused on the stat stuffer comment the whole video and was completely wrong about the intent of what Shaq was saying. He was saying stat stuffing as a positive for Shai.
Even if Jokic score 30 point triple double average next season he will not win mvp.They will not give him more.Denver is small market, they wont to spent extra money for the bench players so it will be hard to take 1 more title.
This butt kisser is likely right, but it will be because of Shaq's crying, not Jordan. Perkins crying likely stopped him from winning last year.
I like Shaq but he failed on this one. But this is America... Shaq loves Nikola and expresses that to Nikola but behind he is like I do not agree... Nikola is system. I do not like how Nikola and Nuggets are playing Wolves, and they suck... but you can't say Nikola is not an MVP doing everything for his team and for years. And by the way Nikola should won last year. Just enjoy Nikola's moves while he is still interested in BB... Nikola is a super star and cool easy going brother... Stop chasing youtube clicks with bullshit statements...
No way he wins it again .
They can't let this white guy win another MVP
I think going into next year ant shai luka tatum brunson giannis are the favorites for mvp..small chance for paolo..embiid and jokic are out...
Sometimes it amazes me how these guys can talk about this meaningless stuff over and over again, forever. Its like the guys that discuss Star Wars oddities to no end.
Shaq’s case was you SHOULD be a stat stuffer to win MVP. You’re making Shaq’s point…
It's not a good "point" though. Aside from points and steals, Jokic smokes SGA in almost every other category (and is more efficient when it comes to points). Shaq was suggesting that SGA had the overall better stats...which he doesn't....then he pivoted to team wins...which were the same. He was just being a salty, narcissistic dick.
Joker didn’t win the MVP last year because he is white
Joker also could of lost one because murray was out and people felt sorry for him despite his team being a 6th seed...he probably could of lost to giannis as well the first time
Nah Giannis played 11 fewer games in a shorter season. Not likely to win it that year.
27/14/8 63%TS, highest PER in nba history 32.85,played with Will Barton,Monte Morris,Campazzo no one ever heard of them
Shocker! Patrick making it about himself. Me! Me!
What a bul....it.
The MVP is a joke. A subjective award which can be influenced by a two-bit analyst in Perkins claiming racial bias. It's all about narrative. Giving Barkley. Mvp during Jordan's domination era smacks of consolation prize.
Shai is great..he isn't mvp..if chet played last year the thunder win like 53 games
Kobe only won 1 mvp !!! not even 3 think about that smh yall cant be serious
Patrick a bigot
Lol....who is he bigoted against? You might be an idiot.
Why is he a bigot?
Mvp should be about personal offensive stats, personal defensive stats, and winningness during the regular season. That is it. There is no other objective and fair criteria. And i feel like usually that is how the voters vote . Shai stats did not come close to the joker. Joker dominated assist, points, and rebounds.
if we listen to the people who are actual voters.many mvps coming Jokic way .bcs what those voters value the most at this time Jokic dominate like no other.he beats MJ STATS easy.so we will see if the NBA executives dont change the route ore rules Jokic will win almost every year.
Here start the Race war again, even in MVP race and skin color became more important than on skills,