Is there a more selfless MVP than Denver Nuggets' Nikola Jokic? | Dan Patrick Show | NBC Sports
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Is there a more selfless MVP than Denver Nuggets' Nikola Jokic? | Dan Patrick Show | NBC Sports
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Shaq’s nationally televised classless remarks about Jokic’s third MVP certainly tells us how petty the big man is. Jokic is a class act and deserves every accolade he has received. He also was the MVP last year but had to wait for the finals to prove it.
How it was petty. He said to his face he thought he shouodnt have won it. And he shouldnt
It's petty because Shaq should have shut his mouth during an award ceremony. There's not justification for it.
@@bignamek Sure. But it wasnt petty.
@@Edd-zd5wb he made it about it himself. He was absolutely petty.
@@bignamek ???? He said he shouldnt have won.. And he shouldnt. Bad place to say it? Maybe. But thats not petty. He wss keeping it real instead of faking it and then talk behind Jokics back.
Jokic has four MVPS . He won one last year at the finals
"Don't bet against the fat boy." - Nikola Jokic
Of all the people who watch the NBA on the planet, Shaq was picked to announce the MVP and introduce the winner. He embarrassed himself by refusing suddenly to do the job only because the result doesn't match his personal opinion. Very low.
I've really grown to love Shaq, but last night was embarrassing. He should be better than that.
As I sat and watched his comments, I thought man I just started to like Shaq, especially after his doc came out. But then there it was, the guy I didn't like during his playing days....I think he knows Joker is nipping at his bad heels😂😂
Shaq is at his best when he plays off Chuck. That's it. WHen he leaves that realm, it's no bueno. His opinions in general are trash.
Definitely. Same here
I know! This is so strange he seemed like he's grown a lot since retirement but I guess it's a façade. Really disappointed.
Jokic is so far beyond any other player in the league that if he has another year where he's the obvious best player in the world, he'll win another. Maybe not for a couple years, but I bet he'll finish with at least 5 MVP's.
Dan Patrick made a precise comment about a 4 year span where Jokic was the best player in the NBA. Maybe, no other player (as a Center) in NBA history had a kind of best of 4 years in the League with 3 MVPs, and a Championship plus Finals MVP.
Only Kareem and Wilt (both as Center) would be in that conversation.
Jokic will "Tim-Duncan-it" without further notice. He is a future HOF (first ballot).
Lol. Thats just insane
In 3 years, Bird won 3 MVPs, 2 Finals MVPs, and 2 championships. So yeah it has got to be "no other center", which doesn't sound that great.
@@torpedospurs ok, so you add Bird to that list. That's still pretty fucking good company I would say. You wanna do it even simpler, multiple MVPs + a championship in a span of 4 years and it's still a really, really exclusive list.
@@Sean.Cordes Well, the exclusivity isn't in the championships, but in winning 3 MVPs in 4 years. Only Russell (61, 62, 63), Wilt (66, 67, 68), Kareem (twice overlapping 71, 72, 74 and 74, 76, 77), Bird (84, 85, 86), Magic (87, 89, 90), Lebron (10, 12, 13) and Jokic have done it. Even MJ hasn't done it. Of that group, only Kareem's second stint did not include a championship. Indeed, if you win 3 MVPs in 4 years, you're supposed to win 2 or more championships in that span. Wilt and Kareem in his first stint won just one. Bird, Magic and Lebron won two. Russell won four. Jokic still has a chance to join that group but he's gotta win Game 4 first.
This is why shaq is butthurt, shaq was absolutely unstoppable early 2000's and should be in that convo.
Jokic definitely not a stat stuffer. I don’t think he cares if he ever gets a triple-double on any given night. His style of play just results in triple-doubles
All the nonsense talk about him being MVP 3x. Seventy nine first place votes and second wasn't even close. If the talking heads want to complain, complain to the voters.
I WAS a big fan of shaq before this happened. Something we all learn in life, not everything needs to be made about us and it's okay to just be happy for someone's success.
Dan is always the brightest and best spotlight on sports.
TNT C-
ESPN F
Can't say Dan is in the A tier or S tier, but he's better. And your grading of TNT and ESPN is too accurate
@@dee5tank yeah thx, against that field, not too hard to be the brightest bulb.
Dan, even when wrong, (which he at least does admit) is usually entertaining.
I have a habit of using absolutes like “is always” sounds better than Dan tends to be.
Why Shaq was so obsessed to “number one seed”? Did OKC have identical winning stats as Denver? OKC just had won tiebreaker over Denver. That’s it.
Dirk and Duncan. And all three of the finalist technically “deserved” to win. But only one can win. People just like to complain. The fact he’s not black is why everyone is upset. Let’s be real. Stephen A been like that too for a long time. Cause he said the same thing Shaq did. But if that’s was Lebron putting up jokic numbers he would’ve went with Lebron over Shai.
wait till Luca gets it!
Actually, Shaq said stats stuffer as a complement to SGA. (I agree it was self serving, but it was also classless, especially to Jokic's face, and I was embarrassed for Shaq.) But which stats are important? It's easy to understand certain per-game stats, like ppg. But maybe there are more important stats which the voters understood and accounted for. Jokic led league in +/-, box +/- win shares, and value above replacement. He led in these categories by a lot and with only one all-star on the team (himself). This is not to mention his Globe Trotter antics on the court (buzzer beaters, behind the backboard score, crazy passes), the streaks of insanely high efficiency, and his general team-first mentality which drew me and many others back to watching the NBA. Given the youth of OKC, it was for me a toss up between SGA and Jokic, and I hope SGA gets it next year, but frankly it's idiotic to say that Jokic didn't deserve the MVP this year.
He leads the league on minutes without moving or doing anything on defense. 95% of the minutes.
@@Edd-zd5wb Good point. see defensive rebounds, deflections and, again, +/- (which is in part a defensive stat of course).
@@geokes64 Hes a 7 footer than stands around. You want him to have no stats?
I agree. SGA is an amazing young player. But Jokic is one of a kind. No guard can come close to Jokic in rebounds. No other big man, especially Embid, comes close to him in assists and steals. Jokic is consistently 2nd or 3rd in the league in assists. Until another player can put up near triple double numbers AND have one of the best team records, Jokic should win the MVP.
@@deangulberry1876 Doncic? Are you kidding right?
Also, Jokic also won mvp as a 6th seed. Since when wins and seed are reasons to lose mvp?
I got a bit of a flash of Gary Payton talking about John Stockton, when Dan talked about Joker getting all his stats only shooting 16 shots a game, and a very efficient percentage to boot.
No way, "most valuable player" doesn't mean the player who is the biggest crowd draw.
Most valuable player is the player who most enhances his teams winning chances.
Actually mvp means different things to different people which is why it’s always an argument.
It’s a subjective award and it always should be
Let's talk number of players with 65 games or more...
Double doubles Joker 68... SGA 8
Tripple doubles Joker 25... SGA 0
Plus/minus Joker#1 8.6... SGA#4 8.2
Offensive rating Joker#3 122.4... SGA#10 121.0
FG% Joker 58.3%... SGA 53.5%
3pt% Joker 35.9%... SGA 35.3%
FT% Joker 81.7%... SGA 87.4%
FT Frequency% Joker 14.0... SGA 19.3 (imagine how many more points if they called fouls for him!)
True Shooting% Joker 65.0%... SGA 63.6%
Clutch point Joker 3.6... SGA 3.3
Rebound% Joker 18.2%... SGA 8%
Assist% Joker 39.1... SGA 28.7
Screen Assists Joker 345... SGA 40
Defensive Rating Joker 110.6... SGA 109.7
Contested shots Joker 557... SGA 450
Net rating Joker#4 11.8... SGA#7 11.3
Usage% Joker 28.8%... SGA 31.7% (this makes all the other stats even MORE impressive)
PLAYER IMPACT ESTIMATE Joker #1 with 21.1... SGA #4 with 18.7
Need I say more because it goes on and on. No one is saying SGA didn't have a great year... but be that as it may, Joker was just flat out better than him and deserves the award. If he keeps being the most valuable player in this league, he should keep winning the award.
excellent, really excellent analysis !
I am a Yokic fan - but I believe that any of the top five players in the NBA are worthy of the MVP award. To debate the MVP award is a child's errand. It is more important which team wins the NBA championship.
Agreed. The mvp used to be a great honor for a great player and the recognition of their efforts- and everybody moved on with their lives . Now it’s a selfish and personal award that if you have a great season and don’t get the award then it’s a travesty and we get to hear about how it was “stolen” for weeks if not more.
This world is lost
shaq never got over nash winning "his" MVP's ...
If he wins a ring this year, averages a triple double and has the #1 overall record next year...he'll win it...
If Jokic manages to knock out the US Redeem Team II at the Olympics this summer with Serbia, is that another MVP for him? Or would the voters take revenge by never choosing him again?
4 times MVP.
what does Joker off night look like? 15/6/5 ?
LeBron only led the league in Win Shares 5 season. There's a really strong correlation between WS and MVPs. Jokic has led for the last 4 years, so we shall see if he continues that trend and if a year or two of voter fatigue transpires. Jokic led the league in WS; PER; VORP; BPM and yet is number 20 in Usage % (Luka, Giannis and Shai were the top 3 in Usage).
Word !
Masterclass 🃏
The way they dismantled the T-Wolves to get out of the hole and the sledgehammer picks Joker threw on Edwards to spring Murray show how selfless the Joker is. He should have got the 4th MVP over Embid, he will go down as the best international over Dirk, and he'll probably be regarded higher than Tim Duncan, David Robinson or maybe as high as Shaq when it's all over...doubt he'll play as long as Shaq.
I never realized the BIG man SHAQ is actually very small.
Jealousy is another word for ugly
i love u man :)
Thank you.
Only I hear: FIRST AFTER WILT for Jokic. Enough for me.
You could tell the hate was gonna come to the forefront with Shaq, he’s been saying a lot of sneaky hate comments about joker for awhile now.
This is one of the dumbest takes ever. First off, the MVP is a regular season award, and playoffs have NOTHING to do with it. Can you imagine if in the NHL people started to factoring in past playoff success when they give out the Vezina Trophy, that would be ridiculous You take how the person did that year and that year alone. Secondly, no one is more important than the Joker to his team and all the numbers back this up. Even this year he had to deal with his #2 Murry being out 20-30 game and STILL got the same record as SGA. The man has gone whole seasons missing his #2 and #3 and still carried the team to the playoffs. No other superstar has done this without another all-star teammate, which he has never had. If you take Joker off of the Nuggets they become a lottery team.
Joker dominated. Ahead of both Luka and SGA in 22 of 26 advanced stats with 1 tie each. 31 PER, no one else even had 30. Jokic +684 | SGA +614 | Luka +319 in +/-... It's not even close.
Jerry West won Finals MVP on the losing team somehow... I dunno if he just didn't have a team around him, but he sure lost a lot.
I don’t agree with Shaq‘s comments, but Dan apparently didn’t listen to what he said. Shaq was saying that SGA was a stat stuffer this year, and he was saying it in a positive way.
The only stat he was caring about was points scored. Jokic stuffs stats as well, but it's not just points and that's above Shaq's pay grade
BUT SGA was stat padding
is cute how yall convince yourselves that the players you dont favor all do stats padding lol. its just your singular opinion.
@@ThaSentient1 só its not the Fact that he stays in games that his team was winning by more than 30 Points and still played 12 minutes to get his 30 Points Streak?
Or that he fouls a player só that he can have another possession to Run and Score on a decided game🤣
If joker is a stat stuffer that makes him more great cause you can do that again so many professional players that’s makes the case for greatness
All I can say for Shaq within his confused, jealousy fueled rant, is care for the award.
Jokic may not seem like it now, but years after retiring.. he will too.
Isn’t his mom’s last name Gilgeous? Why do some media call him Shai Gilgeous? That’s not his name. If only one last name wouldn’t it be Alexander?
The media hates nikola jokic. And i feel they owe him an apology. He is the best. And he should be the face of the league. And i hate the nba. For not making him the face of the league. Lie about saying he don't want to. More like you all don't want him to. I pray this all backfires in you all's faces. You all deserve it. For the way you always count him out. But he always comes through. Nuggets win championship again. Bet. Don't count defending champions out. Game 3 was only a taste of what's to come. And after they beat the Timberwolves, and slap the taste out of you analysts mouths for your Minnesota blasphemies. Finals champs. Repeat next yr. When will you analysts remember to never nomatter what. Never count out the joker, and Jamal murray. Go nugget nation.
Keep doubting so Nikola can keep proving you all wrong
There hasnt been a proper team playing mvp or someone as consistent as jokic since the 80s. Also gotta give props to Russel Westbrook since he is a acception
I don't understand how they keep saying Luka is "old" while Shai is "new"? They are both the same age, Luka has been more consistently great, not to mention that individually he had a better season than Shai.
NHL and MLB voters vote for the real MVP every time they deserve it. Gretzky won 8 MVPs. Bonds ('roids notwithstanding) won 7. NBA writers usually short the top legends by 1-2 MVPs. Not sure why.
I think that for Jokic it also entirely depends on championships. If he keeps adding rings he can also keep adding MVPs.
Put Shaq in shaqthefool
Ugh. I know that they do not tell you how to vote for the MVP, but it is a *regular season award*. Not voting for Barkley because the Bulls will win the title is STUPID.
It's not selfless it's smart basketball. Jokic has exploited the post Curry Revolution NBA arguably better than anyone,. The Wide Open Lanes, the Spread Floor for "spacing", and the generation of Bigs who don't know what "the post" is, are the perfect conditions for someone with his height and hand skills. He's definitely earned these MVPs. But the only thing he's an all-time great at is Passing Big, and he's brilliant at it. Point Center was unimaginable until the lane opened up and 3 pointers became a staple, not a luxury. But if Naz Reid just dismantled him, what do you the actual all-time great bigs would do?
One game?! Lol. You based your comment off of one game?! Ok.
Joker definitely cannot have an off night and the Nuggets have hope of winning! Awful take.
exactly, after one game where he was allowed to tackle him the whole time… and now he’s back to looking normal again
All great players have been stymied before by other players. Greatness isn’t about perfection , it’s about consistency and rising to the challenge after defeat
Wair...you don't understand the difference between season mvp and finals mvp? And they let you vote??
So you’re saying, the award is not for actually being MVP
NJ is the coldest
If anyone deserves a mvp other then joker than its doncic no question about it. Doncic is 24 if im not mistaken and he has been playing at this level since he got to the nba pretty much. Doncic is underrated and he is much better then shai and we will see that this playoff.
You can't be selfish if you genuinely don't care about mvp.😂
Everything is ALWAYS about shaw, with Shaq.
nope lets be clear ant is not that important for minesota they are a playoff team with or without him..maybe even a tittle contender..you cant say that about denver or new york. This is the last chance for minesota to win anything..this team will fall apart due to cap space. Minesota main bench players are starters in 90% of the teams in the nba. Butt let s give them credit. They are built with one purpose only to beat the joker beacuse former denveergm knew the road to championship leads true only one man the Joker you cant avoid him. Boston is not the problem for t wolves coach is trash and Tatum is overrated they always choke.
what is he talking about Luka?!? I love SGA but I feel like we're hitting his ceiling here. Luka with another piece or two will win MVP in the next two years.
If jokic doesn't play the nuggets are in the lottery, simple as that. Same with knicks and brunson, although his efficiency isn't near jokic level
Don’t underestimate how good Jamal, MPJ, and AG are. They wouldn’t be a team to scoff at. You are right though, they wouldn’t be NEARLY as good.
Shaq shouldn't talk about things he doesn't know about.
u know he will win anotder 1 :)
Lebron MVP for Floppin n Being Dramatic
Shaq always been a jealous man
I'm sorry, but this opinion is ridiculous. In the same way that some had already buried the Nuggets and ended the series. They are talking about the champion team and the best player of the last four years.
Jokic should leave Shaqs “big man alliance “ . Shaq is kind of selfish he has resentment because he didn’t win back in his days .
Joker gonna finish like no1 center all the time❤
Jokic can only get another mvp if he scores 30+ and they win 70+ games. He wont average 30+ because he is to unselfish.
Steph Curry was people.
Pretty much every year there is a case for 4 or 5 players to also deserve to be MVP. That’s what you get with a vote. SGA and Luka may never win MVP, even if they would be worthy winners. C’est la vie.
Tim Duncan?
i can see him getting 1 more regular season mvp, but yeah, voter fatigue is a thing so this could be his last one
How petty is Shaq? Super petty.
I disagree !!! Jokic will win one more why ? Sooner or later jokic is gonna average a triple double for a season a when he does it will be historic an the narrative behind it will be Jokic the first big man to ever do it
If anything shaq is a selfish one that never passed the ball look at his assist average
Shaq Is mad he only won 1. Done
Well obviously not according to Shaq. Lol
The Joker will win another MVP and that’s a fact
Dan you need to update your hearing aid and your Coca Cola glass prescription. And a soap or mouth wash would help since your breath stinks since you can't stop your dribbling.
Dan Patrick if you can't name but two players on OKC I don't think you should comment on NBA topics. That's mad. One of the deeper teams in the league I mean Josh Giddey for crying out loud lol. I agree with the Joker take but leave basketball to the people who love it.
Oh and Americans adore selfless now? Since when exactly? Since Steve Nash?
Guess we will never know yall keep giving it to the same white guy every year
Aw they fqg
MJ & Bron deserve 10 mvps
Lebum hasn't been that good. Next Mvp loading for the joker
Ma, gde se vi iskljucujete, majku mu?
Dan patrick is a bozo because MJ was going to win a ship lol
Joker's about to get swept for a second time in three years
JOKIC wasnt SWEPT...3 years ago..typical DUMB lies for GUYS who cant even check facts...
JOKIC lost 4-1 to GSW not 4-0..
AND MURRAY and MPJ didnt play.
HE was playing with G LEAGUE players that now are on other teams averaging less than 10 points.
@@onlyfacts3178exactly… people only try to find reasons to discredit him without knowing details
@onlyfacts3178 Your name hilarious since the suns swept the nuggets a couple of years ago.
With Monte Morris, Facundo Campazzo and Will Barton in starting 5.