The Michigan Relics Hoax Uncovered | Parable
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 12. 04. 2021
- During the late 1800s, a multitude of strange artefacts were unearthed in Michigan, USA. Written in mysterious ancient scripts from around the world, they supposedly told of a Near Eastern culture living in North America. The Michigan Relics are considered to be one of the most elaborate and extensive pseudo-archaeological hoaxes ever perpetrated in American history, but could they be real?
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Hmm, all the artifacts were found by the same guys and nobody else has ever found any. Only in Michigan? Well, they must be genuine!!
so weird right? and the fact that they went right into turning them into greenbacks is not sus at all
Iâm not a archeologist. But i recognize bullshit pretty fast. This artifacts scream fake đ!
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genuine fabrication?
Actually, these were not the only two guys who found the artifacts. The first artifacts were found in 1812 almost 80 years before these two fraudsters started their grift. The artifacts were found over a period of more than 100 years. They were found in Canada, Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio. These two fraudsters couldnât have created all 30,000 artifacts. This is likely the greatest cover-up in archaeological.
These "experts" are not geologists or archaeologists, yet they want us to believe that these relics are authentic?
It looked like from some of the research that I did that the entire collection is owned by the Michigan Historical Museum. I hope they put it on display again as it is a great way to showcase the critical thinking skills in proving they were a hoax.
I don't think we should put fakes on display
I'm shocked and appalled that anyone could take this seriously
Oh that's it.. I gotta find this info
Really ...
I doubt that.
Agreed. However, why not just test the one peice those whom claim is authentic? Why test all but that one? Also, are they truly inauthentic of the message carved upon them is true? So what whom carved them or when? The message tensions the same regardless.
It is pretty obviously BS isn't it.
So how can you explain the eclipse plate? Iâm very curious about that one. No one had access to know that happened in ancient times. What are your thoughts?
Slates recovered from an old kitchen sink, clay tablets keeping the imprint of the fraudster's worktable, standard copper sheets cut with standard tools... and some wanker still looks for some elusive lookalike ancient characters. Tis but a big FRAUD.
I love his jumping around the slate.....PROOOOOF POSITIVE ...black Jesus is not amused with these clowns
Pistis Sophia was found in 1773 so when the quack David Deal says how could he invent a theology that was not in the world until a book was published in 1895 we can guess Scotford had access to it some time between 1773 and 1895 .
funny how they all are in near perfect condition, no wear and tear, none broken or cracked, no bits missing... all whole, fine, almost as if they were made... in the 1800s
funny how people believe in an imaginary deity simply because a book written by some goat herders says so
Funny that you didn't notice that one of the tablets shown was damaged and had pieces missing on top of wear and tear.
Iâm astounded anyone believed they were real.
Why are you astounded if people today still believe certain things when there is medical and video proof to the contrary. đ€·ââïž
people still believe in q sooooo it's not unbelievable that our slightly less urban forefathers would swallow this
Ya bet just smithsonian all that stuff was covered up cuz giants ... Ad we know today there are plenty skulls of human and other specie origin
People are so easily fooled.
Like with Covid
Yeah, NASA has been doing it since its inception.
The earliest relics were found in 1812. The artifacts were not found only in Michigan, but in Wisconsin, Indiana, Ohio and Canada. They were found over a period longer than 100 years. The two fraudsters could not have created all 30,000 artifacts. They used an original to make their copies. Yes, people are easily fooled. This is not the greatest fraud in history, but the greatest cover up.
If they are fakes, and undoubtedly a lot of it is, it begs the question why would anyone spend 25 years cranking thousands of these out? Did he become rich? No. Did he become famous? Not really. If anyone was gonna make fake stuff that long, then there had to have been a better reason than just for the heck of it.
The reason was to cover up the truth. By saturating the market with hundreds of fake artifacts they could plant doubt and draw attention away from the legit ones that had been found. This polluting the community with misinformation and disinformation creates confusion and is still used to this day in various fields to control what the elites want people to know. I would guess these men were tied to some powerful secret society / govt entity like the Smithsonian
Does anyone else find it peculiar that one guy is at the center of all of this? It would be different if Scotford found the first set of artifacts and then several more people throughout the state of Michigan, not connected to Scotford, had found them.
To have one person find, or assist others finding them, is always indicative of fraud.
Only one person found the gold tablets that led to today's Mormon Church. đ€·ââïžđ
This reminds me of the Decalogue Stone near Los Lunas, New Mexico. The stone was discovered by archeologist, Frank Hibben, in 1933 at the base of Hidden Mountain. Some think the language is Paleo-Hebrew, others think it is Crypto-Greek. Some archeologists believe the stone is genuine, others think it is an elaborate hoax.
That was found in a Newark earthworks in Ohio, not NM
At 18:14 The guy from Native American magazine says Native Americans did not use oil lamps. Well, they did. Arctic people have used them for 3000 years or so.
He's speaking of lower 48 states.
This is all really interesting, but it might be faster to say up front they are proven forgeries. I still enjoyed watching but I found myself wanting to believe along the way lol
Glad you enjoyed it - there's power in believing!
They said that scientists determined they were fake on several occasions super early in the video. And then they went on to tell the story right after that about that guy finding them to be not only fakes but being bad fakes in the beginning and that it should have ended there.
David Deal 23:10 (his work is quite telling) It includes a Standard of Science and Research.
33:10 Michigan Archaeologist
(Follows the Standard of Mainstream Darwinian Paradigm - the19th Century Theory) his perspective seems logical but, *there exists countless relics in Egypt that have *"Tool Markings and many that are fully unexplainable without power tools."*
The Mainstream Archaeologists ignore them or attempt to explain them w/o success.
A saw is "not a hard to imagine tool once metals were available" and "It was the Bronze Age" (They has Tin)
His theory is fully forced to fit the Darwinian Paradigm, and it does not take into account the actual content.
*I can't call these fake or fact, but based on their presentations, the MI Archaeologist does not offer justifiable facts to meet his denial purpose.*
Greed Minds and a 19th Century Theory Minds have likely caused some authentic relics to go unrecognized.
That is so unnecessary and it is just another subject that gets held up by Judgemental attitudes of folks whom *"do not follow the Standards of Science and Research" and that is the greater flaw.*
People don't realize that thay were finding them before 1890 in 1812 thay were found in Canada lol I'm no Mormon I just like out of place artifacts like all the weird symbols and artifacts all over America
I've always said that a pre-clovis civilisation existed in North America
A pre-Clovis Native American civilization has already been confirmed by artifacts being found below the Clovis culture layer
Clovis as the first settlement in North America is a bullshit myth that's repeatedly been proven false. My favourite was a few years back when they found proof of humans residing in an area in Canada that didn't freeze over during the ice age. Humans in North America from more than 15,000 years ago, upto, during and after the ice age
@@vardekpetrovic9716 Whatâs a proven forgery? Clovis culture?
Itâs hard to forge artifacts that are found all over North and South America by both archaeologists and Artifact hunters.
@@obyron5003 I agree, clovis wasn't the first culture - there was an even older culture present before the Younger Dryas especially prevalent in the southern Americas. All the evidence is there
@@glane3962 his comment about forgeries was in response to the original comment not yours. That's fairly obvious.
I clicked on this video and a Hobby Lobby ad started playing. Who says god doesn't have a sense of humor? đ€Ł
@@blissmagick296 he really does
The Copts were and still are monophysites, and still exist in Egypt and Ethiopia as well as elsewhere. Monophysites are not Arians. There are gaps in the old man's scholarship. Fortunately, diffusionist positions don't depend on highly questionable material of this sort.
I know right. Monophysites are the opposite of Arians lol
Interesting. I had no knowledge of the relics and enjoyed the information presented.
just by judging the carving, its so easy to detect that they are all fakes.
Constantine had NO input or opinion in the Nicea Council. The BISHOPS did. It was the BISHOPS and priests and monks who had the debates over Arias.
Constantine merely invited them there but it was their debate, not his.
If they find any Linear A or Linear B writing It would be huge.
If they find that anywhere it would be huge
@@jonathanwilliams1065 touché
Yes
That art looks really modern. But thousands of pieces? đ€·ââïž
Im from Michigan and have never heard of any if this XD
Same here, M 55
Same
Michigan has hundreds of thousands of copper artifacts that have nothing to do with these charletans. you all know nothing of your states natural history?
Funny, people from other states AND COUNTRIES DO.
@@Rivenburg-xd5yf yeah the up copper mines ect. Let me guess, you know everything there is to about your areađ chode.
@@chrisw5150 yeah. to the point of giving tours. Geology, biology, anthropology, history. This stuff beyond you? Chode must mean uber human. Trogg.
At 35 minutes and a little after in this video this man is speaking about clay be put on a wooden table that's been cut with a saw indicating tool marks. The problem is is that I have seen wooden tables that have been exposed to the elements a number of times, they are not so marks. They are the evidence of the reign of the wood. I have seen this multiple times. And then he says he sees something scaled in inches. Inches have been around for quite a long time. He also mentions copper with file marks on it, well if you take copper which is fairly soft and even scratch it with Flint, it leaves scratch marks that will look like file marks all day long.
And that still doesn't mean that some of these things weren't fake and he took a few of the fake items and created a disposition in his mind that that extended to all of them. Virtually no one had evidence foreknowledge of astronomical events with that kind of accuracy until recently unless they actually witnessed it.
A large smelting operation was found well over a hundred years ago in Ohio. This man has to be so convinced in his own mind totally ignorant to be ignorant of American Indians use of metal in the Ohio Valley for hundreds if not a couple of thousand years at least, in order to make some of the statements he makes.
Thermoluminescence only dates things in Broad terms, it is nowhere close to being accurate enough to save it so it was just 80 or 90 years ago or 130 years ago or something such as that. It is not nearly that accurate.
No scotford, no Soper, and no savage, they were barely born in the 1840s and 1850s or 60s when of these artifacts were found
Indeed to assume that something is wrong without rigorous research into it is the hight of arrogance which is when you have been overcomed by pride the sin that God distains
What strikes me is how terrible the slate drawings in particular are. Far cruder than most ancient creations
Love how the shot at 8:06 show all those people with the bellies up and shovels in hands acting as common folks, you don't hava a potbelly like that and be a simple working class men, unless your name is Homer Simpson! :))
Don't forget all the giant skeletons they took and hidd away . The giants with possible help from their fathers built most pyramids all but the first great Pyramid.
Constantine sided with Arius, and was baptized by an Arian presbyter on his death bed. Constantine even tried to assassinate Athanasius of Alexandria (a Copt), who confessed Christ being one in essence with the Father. You got it wrong, David Deal. The Byzantine emperors had often sided with the heretical side.
If it was real, it would have gotten destroyed like the father Crespi collection, or molten like the golden artifacts of inca, or lost by Smithsonian, or buried like the Chinese pyramids.
I worked with two brothers back in the early 90s and they had a small stone pipe they were smoking weed out of they had found in Arkansas. I offered to buy it with no success. They wernt the sharpest pencils in the box but I would have liked having that artifact. Great program gentlemen THANKS.......
The confirmation bias is strong with these people.
Very strong indeed
THAT PART!!! OMGGGGGG this is trashier that some of the worst sci-fi movies Iâve ever seen!
The photograph of Scofield and Sopher, with two shovels, in the woods, has a photographer's joke in it. The men's two tall hats appear to have a tree trunk growing upward behind them. This, I might do to mock blagards. Branches growing out of ears. All others I might position to be framed in the landscape. Photography then was slow and this, expensive work, was staged by a professional.
these are some of the worst fakes i have seen.
It seems fake, just because if you look at ancient tablets they usually look âprofessionally doneâ like the ones who made them were masters of their art. These michigan tablets look hastily made and isnt polished at all. It isnt even as deep as other tablet etchings. It is also very inconsistent, the calendar had almost perfect circle for the months, but the moon and sun were not well done circles or crescents.
America:
Are you an Expert? I don't trust your information.
Oh you're independent research or Conspiracy Theorist: I trust you if you say moons made of Cheese
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Just out of curiosity if someone tells you something that doesn't go with the norm of society instead of saying their conspiracy theorist or an independent researcher have you ever actually looked into what they're saying or you just dismiss it because you were told by people you don't know that what they say is the truth and everybody else is lying right now is a time in your life where you have the opportunity to communicate with anybody anywhere in the world and look up as much knowledge in history as you want from anywhere in the world while taking a bath do you put any effort into educating yourself or would you rather be blindly lead down the path
You: makes vast generalizations. sounds irrational.
me: smokes more weed.
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@@patriotiii4218 That's for the reply. Frankly, I do not disagree with what you said. Opinions should be unbiased. However, building a narrative to fit ones opinion isn't. That's what I am trying to say.
@@jeffgrim4315 đ Meh
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It certainly doesn't help that sober and his partner, were born about the time some of these earlier artifacts were actually being found from the 1840s. They did not start being found in the 1890s. There is ample evidence that some of these artifacts are indeed fake, but there are thirty thousand of them and those two were only associated with perhaps 10% of them.
In my first study of these two, it became clear that much of what they were doing did indeed present a problem. But almost all of the previous artifacts, almost twenty-seven thousand of them, do not suffer the stain of being associated with these two idiots. Even though some of the artifacts that they originally found may have been of value.
Star forts too all over the country
Ummhmm
The Arius dispute had nothing to do with Constantine, it had to do with the church et al. The only reason why Constantine convened the council was to try and get the church to mend the fracture that was occurring in it.
Yeah, these artifacts simply appear too pristine for their proposed age.
Well the oldest mummies are said to be from America.
still the wrong continent
I think I found the copper smelter in my back 40. We have copper, slate, and meteoric iron. This was a giant burial grounds. The Nottawaseppi tribal heritage man is supposed to be here today.
Tribal office said that it's the, "Best candidate for a native site they have ever seen".
Bullshit!! I know where writing is like that on a rock wall! 4Ă5' rock cliff. I have looked all my life and this is just like it. The entirely face of that cliff is in wright just like this!!! In Kentucky. Chicken scratch what i called it.
First cuneiform existed and fell long ago before christianism, they had no idea what cuneiform was 2000 years ago
I find it to be somewhat naive to believe no one settled in the America's after Ancient humans crossed the land bridge from Eastern Asia. In my opinion, the various species of hominids traveled every land mass on our planet. There has been so much lost to time, but a linear migratory path of a single species is irrational. It's a shame the Con men forged items to bolster their finds, but ancient technology could achieve the right angles & holes, i.e., Puma Punku.
Has the mound people been suggested? The time seems to fall in it .
Easy to find something after you bury it
Go Buckeyes!!! Sorry, had to be said. ;)
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@@jamessullivan1348 I-O. :)
All the views on these artifacts are very interesting! You can convince we either way. Real and fake I suppose they have some truth to them. Some fake and some not. Make sense. The one with the eclipse is so interesting. No one could have faked that. No way. They didnât have that knowledge of an eclipse then to depict. Very interesting. I love listening to all sides. All artifacts are worthy of a honest look. Very cool video. Thanks!
The persistence of the desire of the religious it what show how desperate they are to find someone in there faith to hold on to and shows the lengths they'll go to keep bringing it back up time and time again and proven to be a hoax every time!
The Mormons really try to distance themselves from these artifacts.
Intreaging I hate fraudulent claims and those responsible
Anything that can contribute to the faith is welcome to church. Exorcisms, fake relics, fake scrolls. The deception!
rocks baked in cow poop look really old.
I watched one little Joe Rogan clip about aliens and now the algorithm thinks I'm retarded.
This algorithm must be on to something...
Lol, don't say that
Once I saw the artefacts I immediately knew they were fake lol
Wrong constantine was basically baptized by Eusebius of nicodemia who was student of arius
Constantine would be more of arian type because of his inclination to sol Invictus.
we want see more of the artifacts than of the discoverers.
They were talented, got to give them that !
what haPPened to the LiBRaRy of aLeXandRia?
I hate the internet.
It worked for Joseph Smith.
They just look too good and clean. I've seen things dug up from the Civil War era in my own state NC that looked older than most of that stuff. You start digging junk up from the Lost Colony era and that stuff looks like it came from Sumeria compared to the ones there from Michigan. Now I know it gets colder there and they don't have the same soil we do,but that can only count for so much when you're talking about things supposedly from 2k years ago or some such.
Have you seen the finds in Central America that have been hidden beneath the jungles for years? Take a look at the H blocks of Puma Punku. I'm just curious.
As a Michigan Native and Detroiter, this is quite embarrassing. Obviously fake, but definitely something to see.
Crete was sailing to America throughout the Mississippi river valley and then into lake Michigan when the glaciers were melting lake Michigan drained into the Mississippi river valley. The minoans from Crete and Thera sailed the oceans from 3500BCE-1450BCE they built Stonehenge monuments all over the world. There's one on beaver island in the middle of lake superior. Plus they mined all the copper out of the area. 500 million pounds of copper.
@@vardekpetrovic9716glad you think history is comical the human race is millions of years old
@@ancientofdays81 I've heard there are Stonehenges here in America but what is the authenticity of this?
Looks kinda like the Kirkwall Scroll
Does not conform to any known style except American folk art of the 19th century.
I am a God-given Knights Templar, very good, you are on to something. Correct, on the Three Person Trinity of 325 A.D. Who you need is Mr. E.A. Wallis Budge: see the "last two pages" in the chapter on "ISIS" in the book titled, "Gods of the Ancient Egyptians," be E.A. Wallis Budge, pub. 1904 only, no reprints. High Island, MI, has something Supernatural going on.
Father Savage at Gaylord ca 1969
looks like from middleage, some christians put bible stuff on stoneplates. Noahs ark, Jesus cross, Devil, angels,Moses so on.
These haters are stupid. The more they try to trash this video, the more other people will watch it.
Take the tinfoil hat off
@@bibiayube677 Take your top off
@@bibiayube677 What he said
He says that Constantine came up with Trinitarianism. That's blatantly false. Not only is it shown in the New Testament, it was taught by Clement I, Ignatius, Polycarp, Irenaeus, Cyprian, Athanasius, and Eusebius. Most of whose writings predate even the birth of Constantine.
If you read Irenaues' *Against Heresies* from 180AD, he defends the trinity. 145 years before the Council of Nicaea.
If this guy doesn't know basic church history, he shouldn't be taken seriously when it comes to a theological relic.
Not to mention is usi g the aristotlian triun concept
Polycarp would have found the Nicene conception of the Trinity wholly alien.
I believe that they are real considering my Spiritual Supernatural experiences
Just to think of the research that could be done if these guys focused on reality.
probably belonged to a bloke in a sasquatch costume
lol "native americans don't use oil lamps" the inuit and others have used them for millennia
True but not ones like described.
@@boeufprairieartifacts9814 an oil lamp is an oil lamp we are not talking about the difference between halogen and neon people burn oil in lamps some places they have cotton or linen wicks others they have lichen or root fiber the differences lay in what they have available that works best
@@boeufprairieartifacts9814 it also just speaks to his lack of evidence instead of saying a true thing he said a blatantly and patently untrue thing in support of his "point"
@@andrewstraub131 All I said was they donât use oil lamps like the one he had and frankly I could care less if they did or didnât
The relics and artifacts look fake to me!
The Copts are Orthodox and they aren't gnostic
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Michigan is the Florida of the north.
Yeah; fraud for sure ... I'll stick to modern science-based stuff; like Scientology.
These are so badly fake
Elaborate
They look very fresh not old looking
time to rewrite school history books
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These are the book of mormon people. The hopewell mound builders... they came from Jerusalem. The north American Indians DNA has a 5th marker that matches Jerusalem.
Um no, none of that is real.
@@karlwhalls2915 I believe he is referring to haplogroup x
There's perfect drill holes in many multi century stone. Supposedly no tools capable. In this case, I bet there's a few real and alot of money grab.
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One must be very intelligent to fake stuff like this
They are fakes
Elaborate on what you mean otherwise you are probably just discrediting this because it doesn't fit in your world view ( newsflash we must accept when we are wrong)
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I'm mad fb took my account that admin on fb... Lol it's called everything atlantis.. search copper and caves... If it's there đ madness đ
There was a secret marriage .. a route... And reference to an apostle đ€đ I'm so sad about it... Been waiting so long to collaborate on this... I'll return w something lol
We all know there be some anti belief aka small church temple like and bells here before history lied
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There really bad fakes
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God I'd love to make a lot of money being a fraudster.
Great, more fanfiction of Jesus in the Americas.
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Pure BS. I can tell they are fakes and I'm only a store clerk. LOLOL.
Hoax !!! The slate is that of cutoff of slate sinks.
âThe medieval history of the Israelitesâ (Book)
talks about the three parts. You must dig if you want truth. These men do not know.
They were Hebrew people. Black people. They say itâs fake because it doesnât fit with the lying history they have sold you. Yah is here for our recompense
Fake.
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Some are real some are fake