7 MLB teams in danger of RELOCATION
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There is zero chance the Cardinals relocate
That's exactely what I said when I seen the Cardinals on this list...That will never happen the CARDINALS WILL NEVER LEAVE !!!!
St. Louis - a drinking town with a baseball problem…
maybe not today, but this is exactly how it begins
That they're even talking about it is not good
😂😂😂😂😂😂
There’s no way the Cardinals move 🤣
correct, not now. but: if this public funding thing gets messy after 10 years...
While the Cardinals request of $500M + in public money is ludicrous, the thought that they might leave the St. Louis area is even more ludicrous. And you mentioned the age of the stadium being around 25 years old……this is actually the 19th year in this stadium, opened in 2006. By the way, love all of your content but this one is a huge stretch.
@@scottrichardson4086 Have you seen the crime in St. Louis, empty downtown bldgs? Brodie is right. it's a matter of time.
😂😂😂 absolute zero chance that the saint louis cards move to out of downtown saint louis
@@brodiebrazil You are hilarious. The St. Louis fanbase is irreplaceable. Most dedicated fans in baseball.
Cardinals are staying in St. Louis
Cardinals? 😂😂😂 that’s 0 percent chance
The Cardinals need to be like the Green Bay Packers. Owned by the FANS!
Never underestimate The cheapness and greed of these owners. They always want someone else to pay for their sh!t.
Relocating the Cardinals would seriously be like relocating the Yankees. St. Louis is one of MLB's flagship teams, there is exactly a 0% chance they move my guy.
The City of St. Louis has a population of less than 280,000 so it is a city in decline. Considering there are several metropolitan areas without an MLB team that are more populous than St. Louis, then relocation is not out of the question.
@@HighpointerGeocacherthe STL metro has 2.8 million people. So yeah they’re safe
@@tdubmusketeer If you look at current population trends, the Charlotte metropolitan area has surpassed the St. Louis metropolitan area in population, and Charlotte is growing at a fast rate while the St. Louis area population is declining. Charlotte is on the NC-SC border, so combining the population of the two Carolinas you would have over 16 million people.
Thus, if the St. Louis Cardinals moved to Charlotte, they could have over 16 million people in their region. In contrast, the population of Missouri is about 6.2 million, but that is shared with two teams so consider that approximately half of those people would be in the Cardinals region of the state. That is about 3.1 million people. St. Louis is adjacent to southern Illinois, but most of the population of Illinois resides in greater Chicago (which has two teams). If you used 2024 population estimates, then the number of people living in southern Illinois is around 2 or 3 million. Thus, if we round up to 3 million, and add half the population of Missouri, then we get around 6 or 7 million. That is less than half of the combined population of the two Carolinas.
Thus, it could make sense, from a long-term perspective, for the Cardinals to consider a move to Charlotte. This is not the 1950's anymore, population distributions and demographics have changed markedly throughout the United States. One could say that the Cardinals are an "iconic" franchise that wouldn't move, but the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants could have been considered in that category in the 1950's yet both moved to California. At that time, California (which is now a state in decline) was viewed in much the same way as the Carolinas are today (both booming states with a lot of population growth, particularly from the northern USA as well as from other parts of the USA and internationally).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_statistical_area
@@HighpointerGeocacherthat’s irrelevant considering they still draw better crowds than most of the league. Just because a city has more people doesn’t mean they’ll show up to games
@@HighpointerGeocacher I'm not included in that 280,000 and a drive to the ballpark for me is about 25 minutes.
The fact that there are rumors that the Cardinals of all teams could move is a scary thing for baseball, given how much St Louis loves the Cards and the deep tradition that team has in that city.
There’s no way the cards would move. The city is like top 3 when it comes being a baseball town. And if they did, a new team would set up shop in a heart beat
You don't want piss off STL. The city finally has a football team. Even though it's in the UFL, the fans broke the spring league record for attendance. Imagine what would happen if the Cards left.
@@uvutv-ol8qk yeah that’s the thing: they turn out at least three times four times the crowd for a spring league football team and regularly pack out Busch. Heck if they could get an NBA team there they’d support them too.
If the cards move I'd stop watching baseball. One of the 5 cornerstone franchises in the sport. And I'm not even a cards fan
Who builds a state of the art house and abandons it after 30 years? It’s crazy what the taxpayers are forced to pay for in sports.
0% chance the Cardinals move. The current stadium opened in 2006. Kind of hard to imagine "Ballpark Village" without a Ballpark.
There is ZERO chance the Cardinals would EVER leave St. Louis. Leave downtown? Maybe. Leave the St. Louis Metro or even leave Missouri? NO CHANCE. They will of course need funding, but most will likely not come from the city, even if it’s threatened. A new ownership group would be much more likely, but I also doubt that would happen either.
St. Louis was willing to put up, and voted in favor of, 300M with an extra 100M down the road to keep the Rams when the NFL promised to fund 200M before breaking that deal. In fact, St. Louis put so much into keeping the Rams, that they forced a settlement from the NFL in court for their foul play in moving to LA. Hell, look at what we did to keep the Blues back in 1983 - which prevented them from moving to Saskatoon. To think that St. Louis would not go further than any city in baseball to keep their team is just insane. This is wild speculative propaganda.
The only way a professional sports team leaves St. Louis is if the entire league wants that team to move regardless of what’s done to keep the team. Which could of course happen, but for MLB? I highly doubt it…
St Louis is going through a cash grab, not a legit relocation threat
Busch stadium opened in 2006, so it's 18 years old
I'm a Phillies fan and went to their spring training in 2023. Before I came home, I went to the Rays' opening day game and that stadium was great, from the food to the view. The worst thing about it was driving to the stadium. My Air Bnb was located 25 mins away but took me nearly 2 hours to get there. That's why it's never sold out because of the location. The new stadium will have the same problems with low attendance. Get it out of St. Petersburg.....
Living in one of Tampa’s suburbs, I actually enjoy Tropicana and the owners have done a good job keeping it updated over the years for what they have, but that drive once you get to 275 in Pinellas is character building.
Move it to the fairgrounds area at the intersection of I-4 and I-75
With the exception of the Cardinals? Any relocation threat by a team mentioned here would be met with a "Go ahead... we dare you" response.
Sorry the Cardinals should not be included with the others. I live among Cardinals fans and that fanbase is like MLB version of Packers fans (a fanbase a lot larger than the teams city would otherwise indicate) and they are what ESPN think Red Sox fans are.
Mlb is embarrassing to sports
St Louis really needs a new stadium? What ever happened to building things to last. Unbelievable. The two most recognized stadiums in the league are 100 years old
The Cardinals have played in 3 stadiums in their history and they want another one?
The aren't asking for a new stadium. They are asking for a capital improvement of the current Busch Stadium. Renovations, repairs, upgrades...that sort of thing.
I would put the Marlins over the Cardinals. I know the Marlins got a new shiny stadium in 2012, but that didn't fix their attendance woes. Their ownership continues to be bad. It's not going to happen in the next 5 years, but in 10-15 years I could see the Marlins being sold and moved out of MIami.
I can't see the MLB leaving Miami.
@@leguy5662 i agree, Miami is the next Megacity blossoming, the market will just be too big to not have a team in it
Cardinals not moving either
@@fatzotv Miami needs to change back to their old turquoise uniforms but instead of a big F just change it to a big M. That alone would immediately garner them a hoard of new young fans from all over the country. Having the most flashy of uniform and colors is what 8yr - 20yr of this day in age use to pick which team they support. I would think a lot of older fans with nostalgia would come back to support as well. But it would need to be done at the same time as some splashy free agent signings and a team that at least be in contention of making the wild card game or playoffs.
Sadly though ownership is more in line of the Oankland A's where they're not willing to spend on free agents until attendance is up , so they get stuck in this awful downward trend of bad seasons and horrible attendance with no way out.
So that stadium in Miami sits empty, then what the hell did they build it for? nothing
St. Louis is a staple franchise. I do not see that team moving
Nashville isn't big enough for 7 major league teams even New York only has 2
Ba da boom
Nashville citizens don't want to pay for one team. The cost of living in Nashville has skyrocketed, and the Mayor was elected on a promise of not one dollar to finance another sports venue. Rumor has it that the Grizzlies have looked into leaving Memphis for Nashville, but that wouldn't require any funds for an arena, just a juggling of scheduling with the Predators.
Only if Larry Ellison builds a stadium on the future Oracle Nashville campus is there a real chance for MLB in Nashville. The Nashville Stars group doesn't have the financing to get it done in expansion, and anybody wanting to move to Nashville will have to build their own ballpark.
They may get A.A if Vegas calls throug h
Nashville shouldn't have an NHL team. It should have an AHL team and could probably support an NBA team.
@@FischerFan the Predators sell out almost every game and have for years. There is more feverish support for them than for the Titans.
There are not enough cities available to support all these teams that want to move.
Exactly Bena. At most only 4-5 cities/regions in the US and Canada can or really wants a MLB team without having to go to Mexico or even into Asia. I agree.
Anyone that supports public funding of stadiums owned by billionaires better not complain about taxes, raising minimum wage, etc. You are allowing socialized costs and losses with privatized profits.
I’m speaking honestly and from the heart when I say if the athletics and their minor-league team, the aviators were playing the same night here in Vegas, I would 100% go to the aviators game. The aviators experience is so user-friendly and enjoyable, why would I spend double the ticket cost, pay for parking, and battle with strip traffic to watch a mediocre team? They are doing really well though right now.
Minor League > Major League
The CARDINALS??
The Cardinals could move out of the city of St Louis if everything would fall apart with their relationship with the city.
Would move out to one of the suburbs.
@@user-jf4nj3ez2kthat’s not relocation lol that’s like saying the pistons relocated. No, that’s just moving into a new arena in a different part of town.
@@user-jf4nj3ez2kthere’s no way that would happen. Busch stadium is literally in the best spot possible for the city. Attendance would drastically be affected if they moved to stl county or further
@@Bob-Loblaw13 The Braves used data analytics and geographic information systems (GIS) to determine the area where the largest number of their fans came from and used that data to determine the location to build their current stadium in a suburban area of Atlanta, relocating from the location of their two prior stadiums in central Atlanta. This has enabled the Braves to improve their attendance and maintain their team success.
Now a Chicagoland resident, I think the White Sox stay in Chicago, and I think the State and City will find a way to contribute public dollars so long as Reinsdorf puts up a substantial amount himself. Why? He’d face lots of backlash itself if he threatens to move the Sox elsewhere. Chicago sports fans would immediately take it out on him by boycotting his Chicago Bulls team. Manfred is wrong that major cities can get by with only one MLB team. Ever since 1901, Chicago has had at least two MLB teams, one for the South Side and one for the North. This is not like SF & Oakland, which had teams locate there from NYC & KC, respectively. Preserving the historic AL Chicago franchise is worth it for MLB.
Sox fan here. I think MLB will tell Reinsdorf , “ You will get the Nashville expansion franchise. The Sox will stay put. You sign over the Sox to us. “ if you refuse, the answer is No!!!!
I’m for the relocation of the White Sox near the West Loop. There is potential for more revenue and attendance .Right now the public isn’t keen on coughing up tax dollars. Jerry R better fork out the dollars. At the same time, Bears are going in for a stadium deal. I hope the White Sox are not squeezed out.
You must be assuming Reinsdorf is still going to be around when the White Sox lease ends
@@michaelleroy9281 He’s Mr. Burns. A hundred and something years old.
cardinals relocation is insane lol how many busch stadiums am i gonna see in my lifetime ha. the other 6 i could see relocating somehow... this is also why i dont understand why MLB would be considering expansion with so many teams having these issues
It would be very funny if each of these teams' cities told them, "No. Go ahead, move." Where would they go?
I'm a baseball fan, but all I want to do is chill and see a ballgame & have a hot dog. There's no real need for these multibillion dollar facilities.
Yeah the corporate feel of all new stadiums is off putting I hate it. But it's all about the all mighty dollar now. They don't care about the real fans for a long time now.
This is why I like hockey a little bit more than MLB in the NHL as well as the commissioner. Will do everything humanly possible to keep a team in a market. With the MLB will just threaten relocation it’s chunk change.
He bent over backwards so much for the Coyotes. It wouldn’t have shocked me if they had put a temporary rink on the border in Yuma before considering leave AZ 😆
As an Islander fan, I agree 100%
Bettman gave up on Atlanta quickly, but for some reason didn't on Phoenix, which has arena issues. Atlanta didn't have an arena issue. Think about that. ATL had a bad hockey team with poor ownership, but it's a top 10 market and size with a good arena. But he just pulled the team without much thought.
@@PoliticallyIncorrect90the thrashers were left homeless too. the previous owners still owned now-state farm arena and in a lawsuit mess. thats why the thrashers moved to winnipeg so quickly, unlike arizona who got 15 years to fix it
1. Fenway Park -- Boston Red Sox
2. Wrigley Field -- Chicago Cubs
3. Dodger Stadium -- Los Angeles Dodgers
4. Angel Stadium -- Los Angeles Angels
5. Oakland Coliseum -- Oakland Athletics
MBL stadiums by age.
6. Kauffman stadium
Moving the Cardinals out of St. Louis is like moving the Cowboys out of Dallas or the Maple Leafs out of Toronto. Will NEVER happen.
The Cowboys play in Arlington and not Dallas.
@@vancedurbin1132 😂semantics
Actually the Cowboys have moved twice, to Irving then to Arlington
Montreal Expos were waiting for a team in Montreal.
First, i wouldn't consider a team staying in the same market as a relocation (Anaheim v Long Beach for example).
Second, a problem is the owners are getting even more greedy. Just a stadium isnt enough. It has to be a palace, and they want to have the surrounding area as well to develop as part of the cost.
Fans still packing out Wrigley and Fenway, but we got other crybaby owners whining that their 20yo stadiums are “too old” and they need taxpayer funds to build a bigger better one. Gimme a break
"It's time to leave the K" -John Sherman, Royals. Whiny ass baby.
Angel Stadium is a few months older than the Oakland Coliseum, making it the 4th oldest MLB ballpark. It opened at the beginning of the 1966 baseball season, whereas the Oakland Coliseum opened towards the end of the 1966 baseball season.
It’s not limited to these seven, basically every 30 years every team’s fans save for 5-6 of the best markets will have to be on relocation watch in perpetuity.
How I see all these teams end up…
Cardinals- staying in the St Louis area. MLB will work any way possible to keep one of their top staple franchises in that area.
Rays - if St Pete (& county) don’t approve that new ballpark they’re moving to Orlando.
White Sox - if state doesn’t approve funding (which I doubt they will) they’ll likely move. Which city? IDK is my guess.
Royals - moving to Kansas City, Kansas.
Angels - staying somewhere in Orange County.
D-Backs - will get a new ballpark somewhere in the Phoenix region. Probably near Scottsdale.
Athletics- hate to say this as I wish they’d stay in Oakland too…. Las Vegas as planned by the end of this decade.
No the rays will not move to Orlando. If they move theyre moving to Montreal like they were already trying to half time with.
Going to Orlando won't solve the problem. Orlando isn't a good market and there's no place to put a stadium because if all the theme parks.
I honestly think the Rays deal will get approved
@@nikolaspaz8820 I think as of May 2024, the Rays staying in St Pete/Tampa region is at best 50/50. With that said, I agree with CubeInspector. It’s either a new 30,000 retractable roof ballpark in St Pete. Or the Rays move most likely to either Montreal or wild card the Charlotte area. FYI. The only way Montreal gets a MLB is a relocated one. It’s Nashville, Charlotte and Salt Lake City for the 2 new teams.
@@americangiant1003 I live in Florida so I’ve heard a lot about it I would say it’s alittle bit more than 50/50 due to the fact that the mayor of St. Pete is in favor of this deal and a lot of big businesses are also in support of it like the St. Pete NCAAP which is an important endorsement but nonetheless the city council members are voting on it so far 3 out of the 8 members are skeptic, a tie would mean no deal but by the looks of it it’s pretty close and ultimately I think it’ll pass obviously could be wrong we’ve seen things change pretty quickly before but there’s a lot of benefits here especially the Hines group which has designed so many great projects the only thing I don’t like is taxpayers paying for almost half but the Rays made sure to not get that on the ballot
Montreal needs a new ballpark for a team to move there
I wonder if the Diamondbacks and Coyotes joined forces, would that change circumstances enough so they could make another run at that land in Tempe? It’s not the same referendum if the development proposal changes significantly.
Of course, that would require Alex Meruelo to be nice to someone, and I think we all know how that’s likely to turn out 🙄
We want you as a sportscaster here in Houston Texas. So that is another relocation.
How about Miami Marlins? They also draw low attendance.
Arte Moreno had threatened to move up the freeway to Diamond Bar a few years ago. No way Arte moves to Long Beach, be cheaper to buy land in Diamond Bar than Long Beach on the water. I went to the Big A on Opening Day 1966 and watched them play at Chavez Ravine for the three years prior. Fun fact, Dodger Stadium was always called Chavez Ravine when the Angels played there. Was called Dodger Stadium when the Dodgers played. My uncle always thought it was funny.
The Rays attendance will improve just by moving out of that dark musty stadium. But Florida just hasn't been a big baseball state, I guess from having so many transplants there.
Even more interesting, the Angels played in Wrigley Field their first season. Granted the LA Wrigley Field.
You wrote, "Fun fact, Dodger Stadium was always called Chavez Ravine when the Angels played there. Was called Dodger Stadium when the Dodgers played."
Similar to when the Jets moved from Shea Stadium to Giants Stadium, the Jets called it The Meadowlands when they played there.
@@HighpointerGeocacher I remember that, but I wasn't aware that was the reason. I wondered why the stadium was called the 2 names. I remember the first time I saw it from the NJ Turnpike out there in the middle of what looked like a marsh to me.
if they’re looking in st pete i think its going to be rough… need it on the tampa side of the bay
When I think of the "Old Guard" of MLB, I think of the Reds, Yankees, Red Sox, Tigers, Pirates, Cubs, as well as the Cardinals and White Sox. It would be so bizarre (and sad) to see either of those teams in a different city.
White Sox are eventually leaving for Charlotte imo. Its too perfect of a situation for Jerry to flee to: The AAA Knights stadium was built on a plot of land big enough for an mlb stadium, 13 fortune 500 companies for luxury box suites, large metro population, large TV market, and they want MLB baseball.
Charlotte doesnt Even support it's NFL or NBA teams. The white Sox are Nashville bound
There's a thing of 24 out of 30 owners having to approve such a move leaving a city with large TV and radio revenue for a city that would hardly pay as much and where they have been for 124 years
White Sox should relocate to Indianapolis, Indiana where they would be the Indianapolis White Sox where they would stay in the American League Central Division where they would play at Victory Field stadium in Indianapolis, Indiana
Also relocation means to a new region not just another city in the same metro….
Long Beach offered the Angels a waterfront stadium in downtown, and the Angels turned them down! Dummies!!!
Brother the cardinals moving is ludicrous. Also Busch is only 18 years old
Hell will literally freeze over before the St Louis Cardinals move out of StLouis
Thanks for the video, I as a Cardinals fan needed a good chuckle (other then our shit offense) and saying the Cards might move is funny as hell
Now that Salt Lake City has approved 900 million for facilities , could the White Sox move there? It will take approval of owners of course
Other than Tampa Bay and Oakland no other team is going to relocate ..And the Oakland to Las Vegas relocation is still up in the air because of 3 lawsuits , Fishers lack of investors and the fact Ballys stock in sinking faster than the Titanic ..Manfred and greedy owners are killing the game and the fans are the ones who are paying the price ..
Only a couple of them might actually move out of the metropolitan area that they're already in.
The first thing you must understand, to discuss this issue is, the market conditions have changed. It is no longer a high priority for a large number of citizens to have a sports franchise. The only two teams that seem logical to move out of their current region are The A's and Rays. Both have had attendance problems for decades.
I can’t believe the Cardinals are here as I saw them & the Cubs in London last year in the green & gold and it was electric, now of course this year I’ll be in the red & white representing my new team the Phillies
My dbacks can’t move.
Busch Stadium is just 18 years old. Yeah, they're asking for funding but there is ZERO relocation danger.
Outside of the Cardinals, the other 6 its plausible they could all move, I would prefer these teams stay where they are at.
In the early 60s, Civic Center Redevelopment Corporation, spawned by the local chamber of commerce, built what became Busch II, which opened in 1966. A-B bought the stadium 16 years later. For Busch III, St. Louis City put together a financial plan where the only public dollars was apparently a loan from St. Louis County. Despite today’s economic times, this is now the first time the team is asking for some $500M in public money. A former St. Louisan, I think this is worth it to ensure the Cards stay in STL.
What about the owners pay for their own toys? And use taxpayers money on Healthcare and education?
Nice sound effects. You look relaxed and having fun making videos.
After KC with the Chiefs and Royals and now Chicago with the Bears, I strongly think we’re gonna see mass relocation before expansion. If Chicago won’t approve hundreds of millions for the Bears then they aren’t gonna do it for the Sox. Teams and owners are gonna take note of cities not giving in to their ridiculous demands
Aidan I could be wrong but I don’t think the Bears will leave Chicagoland or even the state of Illinois entirely. The now on hold Arlington Heights proposal if the new Downtown Chicago retractable roof stadium plan fails is where the Bears might end up in the long term.
As far as the White Sox, I can easily see them leave Illinois for good. Especially that money hungry Jerk White Sox/Bulls Majority Owner Jerry Reinsdorf (whom personally put most blame for both canceling the 1994 World Series and also ending premature the 1990 Bulls NBA Championship Dynasty)ending almost 125 years of a AL club in Chicago’s South Side.
Here’s my predictions the Cardinals aren’t moving so I’m not including them
Rays- I think St. Pete city council will approve the deal in June, just like every stadium deal there are always pros and cons but the pros have so many benefits not only is it a new stadium but the development is gonna include an African American museum, a hotel, more affordable housing units than original and retail and restaurants obviously the cons are that 45% of it will be paid with taxpayer money but I think St. Pete needs this especially with the amount of jobs it’ll create although I wish the Rays would just move to Tampa
A’s- I still think Vegas is gonna happen but if the deal falls through I wouldn’t be shocked because this is John Fisher after all the guy is a clown and one of the worst owners in sports, I give it a 75% chance of it still happening and if it falls through no question Vegas will get an expansion team
Royals- The Royals have 3 options and that is to negotiate with Jackson County again but with a better deal, move to the Kansas side or go to Clay County, it’s too early to tell what will happen but my opinion is that Kansas will build a new sports complex for both the Chiefs and the Royals and talks will begin in a few months a year
White Sox- This is the team I’m most worried about because there’s no way Chicago is gonna pay 1.7 billion dollars in public money for a new stadium Jerry Reinsdorf can go screw himself with that deal, I really want the White Sox to stay in Chicago but by the time 2028 comes and their lease expires I think they move to Nashville or Charlotte but who knows this is very unpredictable but I don’t see a light at the end of the tunnel
Angels- The Angels are never gonna be as popular as the Dodgers but they have a lot of history in LA I know the last 15 years it’s been bad especially not making the playoffs since 2011 and wasting Mike Trout and Shohei Ohtani but I don’t see the MLB allowing an LA team to move because LA and New York are the only two cities in North America that can have two sports teams in the same city I think the Angels will get a new stadium sometime at the end of the decade
Diamondbacks- Other than the Cardinals being on here this is the stupidest one, Phoenix is the 10th largest metro area in the United States and it’s a great market, the DBacks are the only team in Phoenix to have a world championship and they have a decent fan base, Chase Field may be old and I know the lease is expiring soon but no way the DBacks are leaving Arizona I’m guessing that Chase Field will get a massive renovation project and it’ll be approved soon if not I can see a new ballpark as a possibility but the latter is more likely
It's a stretch to suggest the White Sox would leave Chicago, the 3rd largest TV market in the country. Their issue is they're fielding a bad team. The stadium being old is crazy. It's serviceable. If they want to leave for a market like Nashville, go ahead, even if they were to draw more there, the team won't be as profitable as it could be in Chicago. Similar case for the Angels. There's no way the Angels leave LA, the 2nd largest TV market in the country. Whether they're for sale or not has little bearing on this. Again, they're not going to leave that market for Charlotte, Nashville, Portland, etc.
nobody cares about the sox in Chicago.. the Cubs rule that city with an iron fist. No chance Jerry gets money for a new stadium and if Nashville offers to build him one for free he would absolutely leave.
Actually Rob this is not the year 1980 or even 2000. If current census data continues either Dallas or Houston or even both will be America’s 3rd and 4th largest city and or market by middle of this current 21st century at the latest.
Don’t put anything past Jerry Reinsdorf. With his large role in both causing the 1994/‘95 MLB strike and ending the Bulls 1990 NBA championship dynasty(there are tons of books, news articles and video news clips confirming this) even at close to the century age himself, Reinsdorf is always out for making more money. Traditions and money be damn. 😡
On that point, I am much more confident of the Angels staying in the LA region(even if they left Anaheim) than the White Sox staying in Chicago with Reinsdorf in charge.
If I had wheels and peddles, I might be a bicycle... That aside, I understand the point you are making. Both DFW and HOU will likely surpass Chicago as the 3rd largest metropolitan area in the US. That said, whether that happens this year or in 10 years, CHI will still be a major market, and a top3 TV market at that. I lived there during the 90's watched the Bulls dynasty. I would submit it would have ended sooner or later, maybe not the next year, but likely there after. All good things must come to an end sooner or later.
The most likely reality is Jerry will sell the team as he is fastly approaching 90. It will only be then that we'll see what happens. No matter, when you field a poor team, it doesn't matter much where you are located, you will have problems drawing, selling hats, jerseys, etc. Lets say he does not sell the team, he'll leverage the city, and state of IL just like he did in years past.
Being in a town like Nashville, Portland, Charlotte, versus being in a city like Chicago, NY, LA, etc. creates challenges for a team to draw.
If you think those towns can draw more fans over a sustained period of time than a big city, so be it. I do not.
@RobZelinka the sox would definitely have higher attendance in Nashville than they ever would in Chicago. The Cubs massively out draw them every year... No matter what the Sox do they will always be irrelevant in Chicago.
Different Situation in 1988 than in 2024 the White Sox had a near finished stadium in St Petersburg ( the one the Rays are trying to get out of now) they don't have one to move to right now
The Cardinals finished in last place for the third time in over 100 years - and still drew over 3 million people -- what are you smoking to report that they are a relocation candidate?
Dbacks stadium is in dire need of repairs and while I don’t like the grunge match going on, I rather keep them in Phoenix as the current location is perfect with the new renovations downtown
As a resident of the greater Phoenix area, I would prefer to see the Diamondbacks in Scottsdale instead of Phoenix.
The Sox are so outta Chicago it's actually amusing more than it is tragic. Ultimately Illinois will have to choose a team, Bears vs White Sox with their public funding help....it will be the Bears and the NFL in a landslide....say hello to Salt Lake City for the Sox, where an already funded stadium awaits.
Go back to Wrigley...
Sox are not going to Utah
24 out of 30 owners would have to approve a move from a move from the 3 rd largest city in the country and all the TV and radio revenue to whatever size market Salt Lake City is
I feel like with a stat of 1/4 of teams having problems, its a bad image for mlb. They need to have good faith with the cities they reside in
Where the Sox currently are is a site with more trains RIGHT THERE, and they have been at that intersection since 1910 and are a flagship AL team. The parking lots at Sox park take up more pace than the undeveloped land at the 78 in the south loop, they need to develop the area they are at, not move!!!
Dude labeled cardinals as something to watch and clarified it the least likely to happen, yet half the comments are “the cardinals aren’t moving!!!!!!!” Like it’s not at all what he said. Alot of these situations will likely get solved, but should be kept watch of too. It doesn’t mean he thinks all these teams are moving.
Frank McCourt* is talking about building on the dodgers stadium parking lot, without approval or trying to work with the Dodgers. He still owns the other half (pain)
all these baseball stadiums feel ancient in america.
Fenway 1912 Wrigley 1914 Dodger Stadium 1962 Angel Stadium and Oakland Coliseum 1966
The next oldest after all of those Kauffman Stadium 1973
I live in California. In my 50 years on this planet I have never met anyone from Chicago that is a fan of the White Sox; only the Cubs.
You have one right here I went th Irough the near last minute move on June 30 1988 I remember listening to the late night coverage from Springfield on WBBM News radio 78
Really, I'm from Chicago been to California and met many White Sox fan
Sox fan that grew up on the North side of Chicago here.
they exist. but the cubs are more popular
...why does the price of the stadiums sound like Jackie Mason is describing it?
...the football Cardinals moved...
2 times
These teams need to know their place in HISTORY.. it's not about maximizing money.
to them, it is
the history of pro sports has always been about making money and lots of it.
The only one relocating is Oakland and good on them for getting out of that dying city. With Expansion the last big thing Manfred wants to preside over before he retires that takes away 2 Prime Markets for any team to relocate to. Expansion is happening, not Relocation
I do not support any public funds for companies that are chasing profits, but I do agree that enough can make it happen. Every such transaction should require a public referendum, and it will never pass lol
Why NBA teams don't have these issues
seattle...
@@brodiebrazil that was like 16 years , pre-financial crisis
In the last 50 years (not sure why the cut off is the financial crisis) --
Buffalo to San Diego to LA
New Orleans to Utah
Kansas City to Sacramento
Vancouver to Memphis
Charlotte to New Orleans
Seattle to OKC
New Jersey to Brooklyn
I wouldn't be too smug and confident that St Louis will always have the Cardinals to kick around. The city has a history of losing professional sports teams. Cases in point, in baseball, the Browns left for Baltimore and became the Orioles. In football, they lost the Cardinals to Arizona, the Rams went back to LA, and in basketball, the Hawks moved to Atlanta
Speaking of Missouri Kansas City has lost the Kings in basketball and Scouts in hockey
@@michaelleroy9281There is no way in hell Kansas will pay for new baseball or football stadiums.
Implying the Cardinals are in danger of relocating is one of the absolute worst sports takes ever
None of those are in serious danger except the White Sox & maybe Rays
St. Louis Cardinals are going nowhere. However, you might want to add the Miami Marlins to this list.
I would be more concerned if franchises want to relocate in finding any cities that want to accept them. Cities just aren't wanting to put up the money for a stadium and the operating costs of a stadium.
Absolutely zero chance the Cardinals leave
As a Rockies fan, I do have a slight concern about a relocation possibility. Coors is arguably the best stadium in baseball in terms of quality and enjoyment. But should the Rockies continue to be a bottom of the cellar team in MLB and the fans slowly stop showing up, Monfort could potentially be forced to sell. The new ownership would be somewhat welcoming but what if they say that they are moving the team out of Colorado because of the altitude and the disadvantage of pitching there. I know it's probably unlikely but still scares me as a diehard Rox fan
Monfort should sell btw. No way trying to defend him at all. Just want new owners that will keep the team in Denver.
The AZ Coyotes have been unstable footing since day 1, and it took a series of never ending trainwecks for them to move out. Get Gary Bettman to be MLB commish, and and he'll never relocate an American MLB franchiss. Bettman would probably want to relocate the Blue Jays before the A's.
Nats fan, surprised we were not on this list. The chance of us moving is close to zero, but with the Lerners looking to sell the team and the chaos around the MASN lawsuit it’s not the craziest thing I’ve ever heard
I'm wondering if you watch any baseball games because saying the Cardinals are 'doing just fine' is overstated. The team is struggling to win games and the ticket prices at attend games is outrageous at best! The prices are up there along with football games, which prohibits many people from buying them. I'm a Cardinals fan but I can't afford to go to the games!
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There may be "danger" of teams moving, but the MLB is the most stable league with its frabchises. In the last 50 years, only two teams have moved. Washington losing a team to Texas (1972) and and the Expos move to Washington in 2005.
Of your 7 teams, Oakland is a done deal to Vegas. Tampa is the best bet of the others to move. I don't see Angels, Cardinals, White Sox or D'backs moving. I don't count the Royals move to the the Kansas side of KC as moving.
The White Sox have been in relocation rumors a dozen times over the last 50 years. Could happen... but doubt it.
It wasn't always rumors for the white sox. Tropicana Field was literally built for the White Sox. Then they backed out after they got their stadium deal for New Comiskey (at the very last minute). Later, the Giants used the Trop as leverage to get their new stadium.
All academic research shows public funding is a waste of taxpayers. Economic benefit never comes close to the cost.
It is absolutely insane that it costs half a billion dollars just to renovate a baseball stadium let alone build a new one.
Love your videos on this subject, Brodie. I do have to wonder, though, are we running out of markets to put teams? At what point will simple contraction be the only option? Realistically, if a team is turning a profit, and has a valuation in the billions, they should be paying their own way for their stadium. Fans (and taxpayers) are sick of the pleas of poverty when a team has just won a championship, or signed big free agents. If the team is losing money, then a change in ownership or folding the team should be the options talked about. it sucks, but we're tired of footing the bill for these guys.
Time for Vancouver to get mlb
Ryan Smith be like write this down he owes all 3 major sports teams in the state of Utah
Add me to all the other commenters shocked that St. Louis is on the list. If you're a true baseball fan, it's one of the best experiences there is. The Angels are frustrated by their lack of tradition especially when compared to the Dodgers. Their stadium, though old, is fine. Or at least it was back in 2013, the last time I went there. For the Royals, Kansas City, Kansas is in Wyandotte County, not Johnson. Arrowhead is sort of hallowed ground, like Lambeau Field, but the Royals could move out and give the Chiefs more room for tailgating and expensive hotel rooms and stuff. When the Royals build a new stadium, it should be on a riverfront whether it is on the KS or MO side. And the White Sox will figure it out.
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I love it when cities are now saying, "No more free rides", while others say, "We don't need the problems".
Wrigley was upgraded w/o public funding. Ricketts used his own money.
I’m a Cardinals fan from St. Louis and I know they will never leave.
"There should be some consistency"
The only consistency in the Big 4 has been change. Relocations are strangely *uncommon* right now in baseball. There's only been one relocation in the last 52 years, but in the 18 years prior to that, there were 10 moves.
Tropicana field location is one reason attendance is low to build a new stadium near the same site is not smart
Yup makes absolutely no sense. They would have to put in a few rollercoasters to get more fans to make the drive across the bridge. A few restaurants and a park and shopping isn't going to sway people to make that drive. The owner is just being dumb and cheap , would rather risk it at the same spot instead of spending and moving to where all the people are in actual Tampa Bay.
The Rays should relocate to Orlando, Florida and become the Orlando Rays they would still be in the state of Florida but they would be near Walt Disney World park