SH😖CKING!!! Electric Car Charging COST MORE than GAS!!! 😱: PART 2
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- Does electric car charging cost more than gas? I was SHOCKED to discover the answer! In this video I answer some of your comments from Part 1 Titled: SHOCKING! Charging My Electric Car Costs 2X As Much As GAS! Check this video out to see if your comment gets selected!
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6 out of 4 people struggle with math.
11 out of 10 Tesla owners struggle with math. Home chargers do not understand, that while charging home you have to calculate both grid and energy parts of your bills. Not to forget possible energy taxes and VAT.
All Superchargers not created equal most price gouge
@@snow-uq4gx I really dont even think they are gouging. Its just too expensive to maintain for the throughput they have. Lets say a single charger fills up 30-40 cars a day, thats not a lot of business.
They have to pay for space, maintenance, back end support... etc. Just for a few cars a day.
@@tqlla bs I drove all over Cali n into Vegas 14c kwh in sac the cheapest ...bay area 55c kwh some places in sac can be 55c also it's obvious they charge what they want. The price fluctuates like the stock market
@@snow-uq4gx 14 cents, is the residential off peak rate for Sacramento. So if a charging station is charging that, they are making $0, while paying for land, maintenance and support.
Things to love about EVs:
1. Child battery labor
2. Range anxiety
3. Risk of garage fires
4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle
5. Battery denegration
6. Poor resale value
7. Reduced performance in cold, highway
8. Higher repair costs
9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather without restrooms
10. Higher insurance rates
11. Replacing tires more frequently
But hey theres a tax credit!
Everything you listed applies even more to gas cars but now you are concerned😂😂
@@thedukeofmanville that's simply not true and you know it.
Look up how many gas powered cars caught fire last year. Especially KIA Palisade. Don't believe all the meme science on the internet. @@yellowsnowman9157
1. Child battery labor -BS
2. Range anxiety -Never had it
3. Risk of garage fires -BS
4. Paying 20k more than a comparable vehicle -Model 3 was $35k a camry would be slight less
5. Battery denegration -Not an issue, car will be turned in for a new one in 3 years
6. Poor resale value -Not an issue, car will be turned in for a new one in 3 years
7. Reduced performance in cold, highway -Its not cold here, ever
8. Higher repair costs -What repairs?
9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather without restrooms -Tesla Superchargers are amazing, ive never waited for a charge if I wanted one
10. Higher insurance rates -The only Non BS statement you list, insurance went up $30 a month
11. Replacing tires more frequently -Another untrue statement, our model 3 is no heavier than our BMWs
But please keep listing your reasons in your head that you use to convince yourself EVs are bad. :-)
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC child battery labor-bs? Yeah....Just close your eyes to that one.
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Couple other notes:
1) What was your Capital Costs? For Level 2 charger at your house? For the Vehicle? For your time waiting to charge? For your added insurance costs, both Homeowners (research putting out/trying to put out, these fires!) and Vehicle?
2) Do you live in a flat area or somewhere with mountains/passes? Climate/Temp impact on charging/discharging?
3) How many more tires will you be going through because of the massive increase weight AND the increased torque?
4) It's all about the Wattage. The "Math Don't Math!" Basically, Wattage (P) = Volts X Amps, P=VA. Short story, we would need a MASSIVE increase in High Voltage Power Line across the world. DO YOU WANT A HIGH VOLTAGE POWER LINE GOING NEXT TO YOUR HOUSE OR KIDS SCHOOL.
THERE IS NO FREE LUNCH!!!! Open your minds people and THINK before you VIRTUE SIGNAL with your wallets and your emotions.
How about this, how are people in apartments gonna charge their vehicles. Only way is to go to charging station & eventually since there is no tax like there is on gas they will implicate a mileage tax. Charging a EV will become much more expensive than a petro vehicle.
You are right, a lot of people dont understand math very well. They get tricked by MPGe numbers, which is a completely nonsense number. They need to start advertising Miles Per Kwh
Your Rivian gets 2.2 miles per Kwh. (100 miles/2.2)*$0.50 kwh = $22.72 to go 100 miles.
A v8 Silverado 1500 4wd gets 18mpg. (100 miles/18)*3.00 gal = $16.67 to go 100 miles.
A Ram TRX gets 15mpg. (100 miles/15)*3.00 gal = $20 to go 100 miles.
For people who cannot charge at home, it simply doesnt make any sense to own an EV.
You provided some great examples supported by facts. Awesome!
Thanks for commenting!
Plus they will eventually add a mileage tax to ev's since they have no taxes in place charging them right now. Gas has a tax to help for roads. It will eventually be implemented.
@@BBBYpsi They already do that in my state. Higher registration fees for EVs and Fuel efficient vehicles.
They collect the tax with higher registration fees. @@BBBYpsi
@@tqlla I never mentioned registration. I said a Mileage tax. So you will have to report your mileage weekly,monthly or yearly
Duke, here’s a simple formula to calculate the cost per mile for any vehicle burning any fuel, pup * ( u ÷ m ) per unit price (pup), for fuel times units (u) of fuel divided by miles (m). Some of your own examples, 0.59 * (43 ÷ 96) equals 0.264 cents per mile (cpm) for battery or 2.49 * (10 ÷ 150) equals 0.166 cpm for gasoline or 15.25 * (2.7 ÷ 150) = 0.274 cpm for somebody driving a hydrogen powered vehicle. The cost per mile really is the bottom line. That’s the number were always looking for. If you know the cpm efficiency becomes irrelevant.
Also if your interested, here’s a little math problem for you. One kilogram of hydrogen holds 33.33333 kwh, One gallon of gasoline has a mass of 2.85769 kg, 13% ( 0.3715 kg ) is hydrogen and 87% ( 2.4862 kg ) is carbon. So 2.85769 kg of hydrogen * 33.33333 kwh equals 95.2563 kwh. If I throw away 87% of the hydrogen and replace it with carbon, I get 95.2563 - 87% = 12.3833 kwh per gallon of gasoline. How is this possible? According to the EPA the energy in a gallon of gasoline cannot be calculated, BUT it is the same as a kilogram of hydrogen 33.33333 kwh. Using 12.3833 kwh for gasoline is like turning on a light in a dark room.
Here’s another thought about EVs that I haven’t heard _anyone_ talking about: What happens in a natural disaster and masses of people,need to be evacuated?
A hurricane in Florida or the Gulf States, or a fire in California? If you’re driving an EV and don’t have access to a gas vehicle, you’re going to be stuck. Tens of thousands of people trying to get out of Dodge, with how many chargers to support all of them? - And can the electrical system handle every single charger for miles in every direction running at maximum capacity non-stop for days?
I haven’t heard any public figures, whether in news or politics talk about this, probably because it would seriously discourage EV sales in some parts of the country and ruin the narrative. It’s utterly irresponsible, and not a reach at all to say that lives will be lost as a result.
I have discussed this issue many times. First of all, who is going to fill up on gas during a fire? If the power is out you can't pump gas either. As far as hurricanes are concerned, they know well in advance they are coming, and since 67% of Floridians live in homes they can be fully charged prior to the evacuation.
In addition, unlike gas cars, EVs are most efficient in standstill traffic since they are using almost no energy while stopped. This is the opposite for gas cars. I have done plenty of research on this, and if you consider that most people charge their EVs every night they wake up to a full tank of gas unlike a gas car. I also have multiple 110 outlets on my EV so I can power appliances in my house for days before I run down the battery, and If it runs down I can charge it with solar or a gas generator. You don't have those options with gas cars.
Also, have you seen the long lines for gas during evacuations? People often run out of gas waiting on gas, and often the gas station runs out of gas.
In these cases the clear advantage goes to the EV. If that weren't the case I would say so.
Thanks for commenting.
Americans do spend a LOT of time worrying about stuff that will never happen. Since when do hurricanes sneak up on you? I live in California and we had some fires pretty close to the house and our power has never shut off. Id be more worried about a big earthquake. The other thing I find curious is that anti EV folks think that no one who owns an EV has a ICE vehicle. LOL I still have ICE cars, motorcycles and a truck. When you buy an EV there is no clause that requires you to sell all your ICE rigs.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC
1) Good point about having a “full tank” if you have a charger installed at home. (Hard for some apartment dwellers, but the bulk of owners are Al,let certainly doing this.
2) You’ve seen lines of people waiting at gas stations while trying to evacuate, but not the roads packed solid with cars as far as the eye can see?
2.1) Do you really think all those people will be smart enough not to run their A/C and drain their batteries?
3) It’s fine now for rich people with multiple cars (but I know a number of people who in fact have just one car, an electric), but how about people who can’t afford more than one car?
3.1) You’re essentially admitting that you’d better have an ICE just in case.
4) The avowed intention of the entire “green” movement that’s behind the legislation and mandated percentages of EVs is to entirely replace ICEs, not for everyone to have one in addition to their EVs.
5) We’ve already seen California begging people not to charge their EVs in the summer time because there’s not enough electricity to go around, do you think that’s a one-off situation that won’t be repeated or spread to other areas?
It would be easy to get the wrong impression from my words: I actually love EVs, would probably own one myself if I had the spare cash and Tesla Model 3s weren’t so awkward for me to get in and out of ;-) I just think it’s the height of wishful-thinking idiocy to be trying to force a changeover ahead of practicality and without regard to the grid’s ability to support it, any likelihood of sufficient raw material inputs, the toll that raw material extraction is having on the Earth or the dependence on hostile powers it engenders.
It’s great that you enjoy your EVs and are happy with them and I thoroughly support people owning them who want to. I just think it’s a bad idea to try to mandate a transition ahead of when it’s justifiable economically, ecologically, is contrary to market demand and ignores infrastructure demands.
The guy commenting about the oil change is not taking inconsideration the people who change their own oil, that is a lower cost.
Nor is he taking inconsideration the cost of replacing a battery on an electric car. Replacing a fuel tank on an Ice vehicle is not an issue.
You are dead on. You are just doing the math.
How much did it cost to install the charger in your house? And what service did you have prior to installing the charger, 100, 200 or 300 amp service to your main panel? Did you have to also install a sub-panel near the charger, and if so, how much was that? Then the charger itself, what is the cost on those? All of this needs to be figured into the cost of ownership.
I installed my charger myself, and they don't need to be included in the cost of ownership because it adds value to the house. In the future homeowners will be expecting a charging port in the house and many states are making it a code requirement for them to be installed on new construction residential homes starting this year.
In addition, many cars come with the charger which means you only need to install a NEMA 14-50 or NEMA 14-30 (dryer outlet). In fact, I went 12 years charging may EV with a 110 outlet.
Question, if you add a water softener to your house do you factor that into the cost of your water? No you don't.
I understand why you would want to add it as an expense because I did at one point, but after doing more reflecting I reconsidered my position.
Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmanville The answer I expected, thanks for replying.
Did it myself, 200 amp panel in the garage. 6 feet of 6 gauge wire about $50, Hubbell 14-50 was $160, 50 amp double pole breaker was $30ish, Tesla mobile charger $230. Charging at home while you sleep for free (solar credits). Priceless. Also have like 5000 miles of free supercharge that I don’t use that often.
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMCI can do it myself too. But, most folks are not capable of screwing in a lightbulb. I did call around to enquire about upgrading my panel to 200 amps. Which I can do myself, after the power company does their end.
One quote, the least expensive, was $6000, I handle the power company and pull the permit. After that, the average cost was $15000 for a turnkey upgrade, I about fell over.
That would not include installing a sub-panel in my garage, or a charger. Not that I was looking to upgrade my service for an EV purchase, I have in-laws that own a Lightning and Mustang, and it has been nothing but a nightmare for them and their children. The grown children they call when they need to drive further than 80 miles, to borrow one of their ICE vehicles. The kids no longer answer their phones when they see they are calling.
As far as my panel upgrade, I simply wanted to upgrade the panel for my own reasons. Most folks go into these EV purchases blind, like these in-laws of mine.
I thought it only fair to ask this very reasonable question. And like I stated, I knew I would get some BS answer on his end, and I did.
If you are not planning on upgrading your service, but want a proper EV level 2 charger for your new EV vs that old extension cord, this should be figured into the cost of the vehicle purchase.
And then homeowners insurance, how will having an EV on the property affect the premium? Will the EV be charged in an attached garage or a separate building away from the house, or in the driveway? I am sure that could be an issue with some, if not most insurance agencies. I also wonder about the insurance on the vehicle, few ever mention that either.
That is just me, I don't see this as a viable choice for transportation once every aspect is looked at and calculated.
@thedukeofmanville lol. Boy it must be embarrassingly expensive for you to dodge like that.
You cited a debunked "study", the AutoInsurance EZ one. There are quite a few issues with that one. It references an NTSB database but NTSB themselves say they don't track vehicle fires. Neither does the NTHSA. If you were to do the math, car fires would be all over the place considering there are over 260 million registered vehicles. What autoinsurance does reference was a piece describing fatal crashes that involve a fire. Of course, not every car fire results in a fatality. They also mixed numbers from different measurement periods, making it totally inaccurate. A key point not described is a typical car fire takes about 300 gallons of water to extinguish. An electric vehicle takes up to 30,000 gallons to put out. Which is why a lot of fire departments now have special blankets to help cut off the oxygen so that you don't have a runaway thermal situation and reduces the amount of water needed.
It is true that BEV fires are extremely difficult to extinguish due to thermo runaway. It is also true that BEVs have the lowest fire risk, and there is no credible source that states otherwise, including the US Department of Defense. The fire risk stuff is just fake news design to deter EV purchases by people the don't know any better.
Thanks for commenting!
12:03 "that's why are gas prices are so low? Bruh gas prices are way higher than they were 3-4 years ago. The current admin has done a lot to DECREASE and block our domestic production. Not to mention the draw down and selling of our strategic oil reserves.
During the pandemic gas prices were really low due to lack of demand because everyone was locked in their homes. Otherwise, the facts do not support your claim. Its sounds like you believe a president can control oil prices: they cannot, they can only take credit or blame, and any actions they do take will take years before there is any impact if any.
Here is a article with some good information if you are willing to look at it with an open mind. Thanks for commenting!
www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/are-gas-prices-going-down
Before the Plandemic gas prices were also very low due to our OWN production. I would like to utilize more of our own energy than continue to import it from other countries. The admin does control the ability for companies to expand or contract their operations within the US. with lease denial or approval and with their relentless forcing of mandates to push EV they certainly will block any expansion of our own production. Seems a deliberate move to force behavior instead of the free market. It wont work out in the end. We as free Americans must be able to choose what we want and not be forced. @@thedukeofmanville
I drive a 98 corolla.... 😂 FYI. I am a nurse with 2 jobs. Live humble. I know a few people that have a tesla. They pay a good amount for insurance and the car payment. Nope. I'm good.
I’m happy for the reports. I work for airline and we have public chargers in parking lot. Wonder if I could always charge there and have “free” mileage. Only drive 50 miles to and from. You’ve peaked my interest. But ? does cold weather impact battery and battery life as I’m in northern state?
Charging networks turn out to be lousy businesses: Large companies that made that their biz model are struggling badly.
Also, our net baseline electrical generating capacity has been _decreasing_ the last few years, not increasing. So guess what? A lot of extra demand from EVs is going to drive up electricity prices for *everyone*, it’s the law of supply and demand. Guess who gets hit hardest by high energy prices? Poor people.
Looking to the future, fully electrifying our ground transportation fleet will require *twice* as much electricity as we’re making today. *2x* - And don’t think that solar is going to somehow magically make up the difference; check the numbers, there’s not a prayer of that happening for decades yet.
Chargers themselves are issues for grid operators because the existing grid (transmission and distribution lines, transformers, etc) wasn’t designed for the kind of loads charging stations represent. They can’t just be dropped willy-nilly everywhere. A single car plugging into a high-rate supercharger is like 50 homes turning on their air conditioners at the same moment. A 6-stall supercharger is like plunking down 300 houses in an area. That can cause problems with grid stability, although we’re not at that point yet. Another few thousand chargers and we might be though.
Bottom line, we’re not going to get there from here for a good long while yet, and attempting to force the timeline with emotion-based policies and magical thinking is only going to drive electricity prices through the roof and potentially destabilize the power grid along the way.
I agree with you that not all EV owners are buying for environmental reason. I only bought it because it made sense for me. It doesn't make sense for everybody.
Same here. IMO they are just better overall.
Yeap every case is different. I didn’t buy for environmental reason, in fact I honestly don’t care to much about that. I did it because I was tired of paying $500 to $600 a month for gasoline. House already had solar with a battery so it’s part of the mortgage if I use it or not. The money I’m not spending on gas is more than paying the car payment and increases in insurance and or registration. Sometimes it’s a no brainer, sometimes people hate you because what you’re doing works for you. LOL. It’s a strange world we live in. I still have my ICE cars/bikes and love them but the narrative says this is not allowed. 😅
@@MikesProjectsandHobbiesMC They believe that if you like one thing you have to hate the other while not ever considering you can like both at the same time.
Thanks for commenting!
The government is pushing multiple family buildings, if these buildings don't provide a charging station for each apartment, how does that work?
49 cents is cheap! some CCS chargers charge 60-80 cents a kwh! evs are great for local trips, errands and kid sports stuff for now. with home solar ~6 cents a kwh i get 1.5 cents a mile. you cant beat that with any ICE car.
Wow! I wouldn't want to have to pay $.80 a kwh hour everyday, but I take road trips so rarely that it would be that big of an issue if I had to. And lets be clear, I'd rather pay twice as much to charge my EV than go on a road trip in a gas car again.
Thanks for commenting!
Charge at home 50% savings here in MA
I own, since the end of 2021, a Dacia Spring, for which I payed the "enormous" price of 8,000 euros through state subsidies (in Romania), and I also have a "gas station" (240V socket) in my yard. In 2 years and 30,000 km I had an average energy consumption of 11 kWh/100 km, with a cost equivalent to 1.5 l of gasoline per 100 km, compared to my old combustion car, which consumed at least 10 l of gasoline per 100 km and that broke almost every month. In just 5 years, the entire cost of my electric car will be amortized just from the savings I made at the price paid for fuel.
You got me in excel, pluging in my purchases from the four public chargers I use. Just got my EV last year. Can't charge at home. We'll see what the numbers say. Great video!
A lot of people these days do not believe in math or science. The cents per mile is the only way to go forward. Very few look at the cost per mile of gas and right here today, that ram truck owner will pay around $0.20/mile to drive around empty. Like most trucks and SUVs today, people top out at 30-32 m/gal (highway) which is still horrible given today's technology($0.10 per mile at a cost of $3.00/gal). Depending on your electrical cost, it could be much less expensive.
I own a 2018 Tesla 3. At 35 f. The Tesla 3 is extremely inefficient. At 50 f power consumption drops below 300 watts per mile.
On a 65f fall day you can dip below 200 watts per mile in suburban driving and exceed the EPA range. At least on the RWD car.
Its hardly ever cold here and we are sitting on a lifetime average of about 205watts a mile. I grew up in Alaska, Ill never live anywhere that drops below freezing again. LOL
You simply don't understand consumption. As it gets colder the kWh per mile goes up not down.
@@jamie.andrews That’s pretty much exactly what he stated isn’t it?
The problem is that EV do have oil and coolant changes and is normally done at 100,000 miles or 5 years but most EV owner never change them making the drivetrain non rebuild able so when you have problems with it it’s cheaper to replace it and the oil in those are 40 to 50 bucks a quart and the coolant is 80 dollars a gallon and that you replace your tires 3 to 4 times more so yes no oil changes but 3000 dollars for tires every year
Y'all didn't include the price of the air to inflate the tires.
The tire thing is BS, The tires on our Model 3 wear out no faster than those on our X5 or X3.
Correct tyre fitments for EV should be softer compound, because of instant torque. Hence the reason for faster tyre wear. If tyre is harder compound bigger chance of loss traction very dangerous.
I'm charging at 16 cents / kw hour at my business. Depends on where you charge.
Great to put a focus on this. Anything beyond 25c per kwh will make gasoline cheaper than an EV. Electricity should cost 8-10 cents retail, in a State where market forces are still in effect. Charge stations should be able to get it even cheaper than those consumer retail prices. Adding more than 100% margin is absurd. Tesla Superchargers are the closest to reasonable prices. Government manipulation and greedy charging providers are killing EVs.
Not even close, easily have to get closer to .50/kwh to make it break even depending on the mileage of the comparable vehicle.
But the idea of a super chargers is only to get you to a point that you safely need not to put more than needed at an expensive station , I was in Orlando fl. And the station was charging $8. A gallon ,, why cause they can ,, so does mean you need to go there
Duke you're wrong about producing our own oil bruh where are you getting info. The news media smfh
I'd wait until the world has 100 million 10+ years old EVs on its roads before drawing conclusions on how often EVs incinerate themselves. Right now, the bulk of EVs are only 2-3 years old and mostly at the more luxurious and pampered end of the market. The story may be drastically different 20-25 years from now where most EVs on the road may be 10+ years old daily beaters that were under 30k$ (indexed to 2023) new.
There's not enough electricity to support a full electric transportation sector...so, as more EV's are sold the cost of electricity will go up for everyone!
You will not have a full electric transportation sector immediately, so there is no need to support it yet. Both will grow. If you are concerned about that, why not the concern about data centers? A VERY VERY SMALL data center (40 racks) will use about 1000 EVs daily usage per day.
Would be nice to hear your comment on Hertz flashsales of Teslas. Model 3 original price in 2021: $55 100. Now the cheapest Hertz 2021 Model 3 sticker price over $7 000 or ⅔ less: $17 700. And 75k -105k miles driven ones sold at $21 000 - $25 000 price.
So up to $37 000 deprechistion in less than three years.
Someone should look up the prices they charge and see if they even made money.
Bottom line is price gouging most Superchargers over charge if they allowed to continue to charge what they want then yes its more expensive than gas in a fuel economy car
With all the oil coming out of Guyana South America and Venezuela with increased Us production big oil may push gas prices down to $1.50 a gallon. But that is not sustainable. If there is war in south America gas could hit $4 a gallon.
None of that really matters if you charge at home ( especially with no real maintenance cost) electric cars and trucks are much cheaper to run than their ice counterparts.
Supercharging is expensive, and it should be. Tesla started with free and moved to too cheap. Then they woke up and realized it can make real money! Supercharging should not be any cheaper than gas but Tesla's gross profit is 8-10x what they pay for electricity. Good they are putting it into building more Superchargers. Bottom line, Supercharging is for road travel. Charge at home. Better yet, charge at home with solar!
How likely an electric vehicle is to catch on fire really isn't the point. What happens if it does catch on fire can be catastrophic. I would charge it in the driveway just to be safe. If you have thermal runaway in your garage, you're not putting that out.
I have two EVs, solar and three Powerwalls. My electricity bill is $17/ month …grid tie-in minimum…most months of the year ( basically when it’s not snowing). Since I only take 4 or 5 road trips a year, I don’t care what the SC or Rivian price per kWh. Charger availability and reliability are the important metrics, not the rate. The hotels and meals are far more expensive.
If more people get ev’s when public electric companies can barely keep the power on now. . Put a strain on electrical grid ? They’ll have to upgrade! Who pays for that? The consumer! And without the competition with gas. They can charge whatever they want! What would be keeping them from raising rates? Don’t care who wants a ev. I’ll drive my classic cars! Doubt any modern car will last 50-100 yrs!
maintenance windshild fluids and tiers in 13 years on electric car.. what??
My only big complaint is you are driving the equivalent of a performance truck and the ram TRX is the one but they dont regularly get anywht near 15mpg. Also, the Tacoma comparison is trash, just because i put a big block in a civic, should i assume it gets civic gas mileage? No, the size of the vehicle isn't an exact comparison. Please compare apples to apples. Full disclosure, i love my 2x model 3 and I only purchased them based on dollars an sense.
When you talked about apartments in your last video and the fact I have yet to see a SINGLE charger at any apartment complex is the biggest thing. So everyone who lives in an apartment is going to spend an hour or more a week driving to and wasting that time sitting at an EV charger? Also I see a literal TON of cars parked in driveways at houses where I live in the Phoenix area so are these people going to install chargers on the outside of their houses to charge their vehicles since they use their garage as their personal storage unit. Plus I just saw Hertz today said they aren't going to stock all these EV's to rent out they're going back to ICE vehicles. Too many idiots running the show with EV BS if you ask me since people don't seem to want them. I take road trips at lest 1-2 times a year and you won't convince me sitting at a charger for an hour every time I charge and hoping it works if its raining or snowing out and I gotta keep screwing around getting it to charge is worth it when I can fill up a gas tank in a matter of a couple mins. CZcams is full of videos of people taking road trips and charging stations NOT working at all or the vehicle has issues charging. The cherry on top of this debate is I just watched a video the other day of a 7 year old Tesla and the owner said it had lost already over 30% of it's charging capacity. So that equates to about 100 less miles of range after only 7 short years. I don't think we even need to talk about these vehicles being "green" if they burn through batteries that quickly. These EV's and their batteries will be filling up landfills like crazy if even half the population is driving these things! If you don't go anywhere and just drive around town and live in a house that you can charge in your garage, EV's are a great option and I have no problem admitting that. Everyone else (AKA the vast majority of us) stick with ICE vehicles and god we can only hope these stupid automakers pull their heads outta their a$$es and continue to make ICE vehicles for a long long time!
The world's top selling vehicle is an EV, and the US had record EV sales last year which was 50% higher than 2024.
Hertz is selling all of its Tesla's because they believe Elon Musk will drop the price again after he dropped them by 30% last year. Remember Hertz is also a car dealer and they lost a lot of money due to depreciation. You can get a new Tesla for the same price as a new one. So thus has nothing to do with EV demand, but poor business on Hertz part since the paid full price for all those Tesla's.
@@thedukeofmanville You missed about 3/4 the other points that I made interestingly, but I'm pretty sure that was intentional just to argue your point of being "pro" EV. Also when you think about it logically (not just being pro ANYTHING) who in their right mind would want to rent an EV just to waste part of their vacation or business trip waiting for it to charge? So you can say it's political and Elon blah blah blah but just looking at it through common sense eyes no one wants to waste time with charging BS if they rent something. Just saying. I know theres more stupid people in this country and more born daily so I also could see people wanting to wait their life think their so cool renting an EV 😂
- Hertz is selling 1/3 of their EVs, not all of them. They have over 80K miles on most of them, its crazy that they were even still in the fleet.
- Tesla warranties their batteries from excess degradation. 30% is the cutoff. It's 8 years 120000 miles on a Model 3. So whatever CZcams you were watching, should be eligible for a free battery replacement if that was really the case.
- Battery degradation is easy to minimize by not fast charging all the time and keeping the battery at the correct percentages by not fully charging or discharging too often.
- 20 to 80% in most EVs takes 30 minutes at a working fast charger. Again you don't sit for an hour and charge to 100%, that takes much longer. Stopping 30 minutes every 4+ hours is not a big deal at all.
- Yes level 2 chargers can be installed and work perfectly outside like for those who park in a driveway. It's more difficult for people who live in apartments, maybe complexes need to start adding charging.
Anyways, turn off the news and stop listening to people with an agenda tell you a bunch of false and exaggerated information.
Renting an EV on vacation generally sucks. They give you a used and abused base model, low range Tesla Model 3 or other low range EV model. They expect you to figure out where and how to charge with no home charger, and then demand it be brought back at 100% charge or you pay a big fee. I can see why their rental model is a disaster for everyone, it's poorly designed and stupid. They could just charge them all up back at Hertz free of charge and roll that minimal cost into the price ... then the charging station around the corner wouldn't have a line of people trying to charge to 100%. As it is now these rental companies even use the public fast chargers rather than put their own in. I mean come on Hertz. Truly, poorly conceived and poorly executed.
@@DJAJ101 You just went on a rant. A lot of it makes no sense. Let me try and go point by point. First, it does not take an hour to charge in most public places. This is a function of the charger. Using Tesla as an example. You will spend the majority of your life in the 20-80% charge range. To do that, without pre-conditioning it is about 15 minutes, pre-conditioning it is about 10. Most EV's seem to want you to recharge in the 2.5 to 3.5 hour of driving time. That tends to coincide when you want to empty your bladder. The times to go past 80% is when you are eating a meal. Hertz is selling 20k of their EVs over 3 years. Hertz, like all car rental fleets replace their vehicles. Right now, Hertz has 600 Tesla's for sale, but they have over 5k Chevy vehicles for sale. I have done a 2600 mile trip and it was through Arizona, a 1200 mile trip, a 1600 mile trip and another 1400 mile trip, all in an EV. On the 2600 mile trip, I did make a couple of mistakes on charging and I figured on the whole trip, I wasted a total of an hour of time. Charging stations not working is a function of the company. Electrify America does not have a good network. Tesla has an incredible network. I have been to over 50 different charging stations across a dozen states. In that timeframe, I have seen 2 Tesla chargers down. Did it matter? Nope! The location had 24 chargers. Battery degradation is real. Around 150k miles you can expect that the battery will degrade by about 10-12%. At 300k miles you can expect it to degrade to about 15-20%. Now, let's look at what that means. I am going to put this in caps for a reason. THE CAR STILL WORKS! IT JUST HAS LESS RANGE ON A FULL CHARGE. So if you had a car that had a 330 mile range to start, once you hit 300k miles, you can expect it to have about 260 miles of range. For most this will not matter because this is a now a 20-25 year old car. If you are a UBER driver doing 100k miles a year, EVs are not the car for you. Batteries are being recycled BIG time. Batteries are looked at and then they can either go into battery storage for solar and probably last another 20-30 years or they can be recycled. Right now, it is cheaper to recycle a battery than it is to mine the materials. They are getting over 95% of the materials back. So that battery that you bought today, the materials will be recycled in 20 years and then again in another 20 years and then again in another 20 years, and so on.
And as I went back through your rant - apartment people are fine. A friend has a Model 3 and lives in an apartment. He does things just like you do with an ice car. He goes to the charger, plugs in, walks across the street to his favorite coffee shop, orders his coffee and scone, then comes back. During that time, he has added 200 miles of range to his M3.
It's like buying bottled water. You're paying for the convenience
Go to a gas station near some California airports and compare the prices,, so it’s all relative ,, whatever that means
This is good but you need sources. It's hard to just take your word for it and with kids, it's hard to spend extra time studying when I have so much else going on. Even just crunching these #s with the wife would take hours.
Feel your pain brother. All my well ejucated friends can't see this. I blame common core math so I can be still friends with them.
Rivian R1S/R1T: 133kwh battery @ 2.5 miles per kw. 133 x 0.50/kw = $66.50
At that efficiency you should get 332.5 miles of range.
Dodge Ram TRX 332.5 miles/15 MPG = 22.16 gallons. National average $4/gallon (premium) = $88.66
Note if you use RAN, Electrify America or others you get $0.36/kw (with the EA Pass). The same miles would cost $47.88.
Now lets take home charging $0.16/kw national average - $21.28 to go the same 332.5 miles, compared with $88.66 in the Ram TRX or similar vehicle. Less than a quarter of the cost of fuel on a daily basis, and still significantly less even when road tripping.
To further highlight the cost savings, 75000 miles in a Rivian at $0.16/kw would cost about $4800.
In a comparable truck or SUV even generously saying 20 mpg on regular gas at $3.25/gallon, $12187.50 in gas for those same miles. Get something with comparable performance, like a Ram TRX that runs premium, you're talking $20,000 in fuel vs $4800. Over 15 grand difference.
I don't know of anyone that uses premium gas and I mean no-one. Cars and pickups have been engineered to run on regular gas for years. Maybe if you drive some high dollar European sports car or high performance car you might use premium. People that buy those types of cars aren't worried about the cost of fuel.
@@billmM3605 Most Lexus run on premium.
@davidbergerson A Lexus is just a glorified Toyota, none of my Camry's have ever required premium. I'm not sure why regular would be fine in one and not the other.
You are going down the same path I go, but I do it per mile :) Model Y averages about 3.8m per kWh. Tesla Supercharges range from .51 down to .19 in the locations I have been. That puts it at 13.4c per mile, down to 5c per mile. Then, choose the vehicle and gas price. A Prius getting 50mpg in Oklahoma at 2.67 is 5.3c per mile. A Lexus RX350h with 36mpg in LA at 3.8 a gallon will be 10.55c per mile.
Rivian's, Hummer EVs, and Ligthnings are nowhere as efficient as a Model Y or 3. Id.4's are close to a Model Y.
If that's true then I've just open up business at my house for people to Charge their cars
That's actually not a bad ideal!
Duke, EVs are So bad I bought a second one today. 😅
The Rivian weighs as much as A 3/4 ton truck. And has a 4.5 foot bed. 3/4 ton truck = F250 or Ram or Silverado 2500.
1/2 ton trucks weigh about 5500 lbs
The Rivian is also the most aerodynamic Truck with a CD of 3.0
1 will continue to exist: electricity
Gas
WE will have both for many years to come.
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@@thedukeofmanville In our lifetime. Future electric vehicles will get better.
@@rmorris3722 Yup, gas/diesel vehicles will ALWAYS be around. Who's gonna watch an EV Nascar race that they have to stop after 50 laps and wait an hour while they recharge? Or more importantly big rigs I can almost see no solution for being 100% EV when truckers don't have time to stop every 4-8 hours and recharge. Our economy would grind to a halt quickly and get WAY more expensive because of it! Besides the grid can't handle even half the population in the US having an EV right now (If you think brown outs are bad now just wait) and i doubt that'll change anytime soon.
Good video , what camera are you using ?
A Sony ZV1.
Thanks 😊
Sure it does. LOL
Welcome back to the fold, brother. You were saying some pretty anti EV things in the last video. But I'm keeping my eye on you.
Duke! Love your handle, Gas where I live is $4.85 a gallon. Down from $7.50 EV's are more fun!
I am more than willing to pay the higher price for the superior driving experience of an EV.
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@coldtesla6212-- I am not sure where you live, but I bought gas today here in nearby Daytona Beach, Florida, and paid $2.88 per gallon. I bought gas at a station called Buc-ee's and it is huge with 104 gas pumps, and a convenience store that is over 50,000 square feet. You should check out Buc-ee's on CZcams.
EV's might be more fun if you drive locally and can charge from home. But if you drive a long distance, an ICE vehicle is the much better way to travel.
Rivian is equal to a performance vehicle running 93 octane fuel . The R1T is faster than the RAM TRX and you can't compare it with a Tacoma. It cost an average of 130 dollars to fill a Ram TRX and your just being dishonest .
Keep doing you, Duke! With the addition of more chargers, the price should go down.
I agree 100%!
Actually, even with inflated prices, running charging stations is a terrible business. They’re expensive to build, very expensive to maintain and keep running, and very hard loads for the grid to handle. (Enormous intermittent loads, dropped into infrastructure that wasn’t designed for that level or pattern of demand.)
- And that’s not even getting into the ability of our generating capacity to keep up with EV adoption. Our baseline generating capacity has actually been *decreasing* in recent years.
@@DaveEtchells Its true, also their sell rate is terrible. If it takes 25-30 minutes per car, a pump can charge maybe 30-ish cars per day. If there was constant use, from 6-10pm.
@@thedukeofmanville LOL...I've only seen two of your videos (about the same topic) but I must call you out. You claim one commenter was a tinfoil hat wearer (and I agree)...and then you put yours on. Claiming that the oil companies were purposely driving down the oil prices just to stave off EV adoption. Really?
Disagree TOTALLY prices never go down, higher demand higher prices, as more EV's come on line.Don't forget taxes coming on electricity, as tax earned on gas cars becomes less, with fewer gas cars on road.
Objection! This is not to offend you. I could be wrong with my following statement. I am not an EV owner. Don't have extensive knowledge of anything. What I do know is that your first mistake is to share price at a Tesla charging station with a non Tesla. Non Tesla pay more. Also your comparison doesn't show the weight of vehicles you are comparing. Does a Rivian weight the same as a Ford F150? Add weight to the lighter vehicle so that they weight the same. In addition, your comparison I feel is still not the same. Here is why. Go to that gas station with the EV charging stations. Take your EV there, fill up to 80%. Drive away, practice first a route so that you can get back to that station to 50%. Then recharge to 80%. Repeat a few times to see if the information results are the same. When you recharge, is your charge amount the same? If so, then do the same with a combustion truck that you weight it the same. Drive the combustion truck to that same fuel station. Fill it to max. Drive the same route that you did with the EV. Show how many miles you did on that route. Show it did the same miles. Refuel the truck to max. Show how many gallons it took at what cost total. Repeat a few times to show the comparison between fuel trips and then compare your results between the average combustion trips to the EV trips.
At the end of the day, you can't compare the two. Why? You burn fuel while idling more so than EV consumes in idle or low speeds. Then you might have to do highway comparisons. Maybe off the interstate. From interstate charging stations to interstate charging stations if it has both fuel and charging station. Gets very difficult to compare correctly.
Btw, production of fuel is not the barrier of fuel costs. It's the refines to refine oil to fuel. It is the barrier because of the carbon tax laws.
Heard EV vehicle insurance costs more, so how much was ur car insurance? Liability only o Full Coverage
and how long does it take to charge?
My next video will be on my insurance cost. As far as charging is concerned, I charge my Rivian to 70%, and I use about 20% during my daily commute, and it takes about 2.5 hours to charge it back up to 70% all while I'm sound asleep. A smaller EV like a Tesla Model 3 will take around a hour to charge given the same conditions.
Thanks for commenting!
@@thedukeofmanville
You're Welcome Sir!
That was an Action Pack informative Video you just put out
YES! Please do the insurance Cost.. Liability Only vs Full Coverage
EV vs GAS vehicles in FREEZING temperatures. i've heard Freezing temps affects the OIL and also moisture affecting Gas Lines, etc..
Thank You for your Videos!
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One of my friend's Tesla insurance is $160/month....i didn't ask if it was full coveral or limited liability only
But here in CA, my insurance is $120/month on Full coverage......i think i got Comprehensive and $100k/$200k/$100k and $50k uninsured motorists. Customizing my insurance coverage base on my need and my driving and the area i'm driving from and to... Minimum here is $15/$30k so it's an overkill with my coverage but i feel at ease being on the road with crazies in LA(CA)
By 2035, CA cannot sell new Gas Vehicles so i'm doing a lot of research and thinking of EV but ultimately prior to 2035, i'll try to get another Gas Truck before the Ban takes effect.
From my perspective so far, i'm not totally sold on EV, just too much hassle. Let's just say Charging times and VEHICLE REPAIRS AND REPAIR SHOPS ARE LIMITED, and when the life of the battery needs maintenance it comes with a hefty price tag. Just like ANY Rechargeable batteries, it has a Life Span, it won't last forever when the time comes and YOU still own that Vehicle it will be a very Pricey upfront Cost. Depending on which EVs you own, battery maintenance can range from $8,000-$30,000
Charging times, i've seen people sitting at Shopping Malls and Charging Stations for hours lol
Pros of EV: Fast/Quick
Works Good in Cold Weather
Zero Emission
Cool Looking
Extremely Quiet
Cons of EV: Costly Repairs
Replacing the Battery
Finding Repair Shops
Charging Times
Higher insurance Cost
Finding a Charging Station...(in my Area, there's Gas Stations every 3 Blocks)
Those are just some of my Opinions of Owning an EV in my Area. Some of this is different depending where y'all live. Prices Varies on Location
But Hey, "if" People are Happy with what they got and what they can Afford then it's ALL good. Bottom Line is...they're paying for it NOT me lol and it makes the Climate Change People Happy and EV Manufacturers Happy! Creates Jobs and ALL that Goodie :D
I love all your videos. You are my EV Coach. We have an R1T but I'm getting an Ionic 5 also. Hyundai discounted the 2024 Ionic 5s by $7500 to match the tax incentive.
Thanks Diane! We will be getting our next EV soon.
Solution.....charge at home for $0.04 per mile. Can't charge at home? Don't buy the car
Well as long as my old car keeps running, I I'll keep it. Getting 35mpg city and close to 40mpg highway. And it has 11 gallon tank so it gets me were I want to go. And compared to my friend that has an EV, I can at least do my own maintenance. And last year we took a trip together and he couldn't even follow me, because I take State routes where there is no chargers along the way. So we still need both,
There is not much maintenance to do on ev’s. So it’s still better.
Curious about extra electric utility bill costs by using a Level 2 charger at home.
My Rivian R1T is a very inefficient electric vehicle at 835hp and 7000lbs, and I pay less than $100 a month to charge it driving around 1000 miles a month. On the other hand, a Tesla Model Y would cost less than $50 a month to drive the same distance. I plan on doing a video breaking down all my cost over the last year.
Thanks for commenting!
If you used something like a Model 3 RWD it takes about 55kw to drive 260 miles. Look up how much you pay per kw and multiple it by 55. I have solar so charging is free but the average US price is 14 cents per kWh.
Why did you buy an EV?
Everyone knows...
1) You'll pay more to Purchase a Non-Tesla
2) You'll pay more to Charge a Non-Tesla.
So, If your going to buy an EV... Be practical about it and buy the BEST EV(Tesla) out there, period
Your 2 statements are not supported by the facts.
The title of your first video is misleading to future EV buyers who don't understand the math. Not sure if that was intentional. I certainly hope not because you seem like you are pro EV. The title should have been If you live in an apartment or condo it cost more to charge your EV than buy gas. Gas where I live is more $$ plus my wife's car takes premium. Where I live I also pay .35 cents at Super Chargers. The average price per gallon in the US is over $3.00. The average price per charging station is between .30 and .60 cents. 90 percent of most charging for home owners is done at home at much lower rates so your video only applies to people who 1. Can't charge at home. 2. Somehow are fortunate enough to have gas for $2.49 a gallon 3. Are unfortunate enough to have to pay .59 cents per kWh to charge. It is sad to see so many people hating on EVs in your comments. You have validated their concerns.
People with zero interest in EVs love these videos. Just look at the comments. Why would a truck driver want an ev for work? It will never compare to a long haul diesel engine. Thats like comparing a private jet to a drone.
It depends on the use case as most work trucks are driven locally. For example a lot of delivery companies (including Amazon) use electric delivery vans now, and the drivers love them. I have a video on my page where I asked a young lady about how she likes it compared to the gas vans if you want to check it out.
electric only makes since for a small portion of the population. electric is ok If , 1 u are the type of person that always keeps a car payment gets rid of it after the warranty and are not worried about trade in value. 2 don't make long trips regular cause u only actually have 60% of the battery u should use filling the battery past 80% lower than 20% lowers life span. 3 u charge it at home or a job and electric is low or free where u r at.
I don't hate electric cars We got to do something eventually sooner or later we're going to run out of oil but the technology is not there yet for the masses .Just so sick and tired of everyone talking about they are going to replace internal combustion cars anytime soon even passing laws for technology that's not ready. same people passing laws don't even have enough electrical capacity to charge these cars. car companies are crying about how much money they lose per electric car and they're still too expensive. the average car on the road is 12.5 years old and people drive 14k miles a year Do the math you're at a 175,000 mile average . the battery is only warrantied for eight years or 100k miles. YES it's true the cars engine is not factory warrantied for $175,000 mi either but an average car engine cost 6 to $8,000 whereas the battery packs running 20 to $60,000... and a decade or two maybe the price will come down and it'll start to make sense. Even then they got to figure out the lithium problem cuz there ain't enough on Earth to replace all the cars.. It's a beta technology it's not ready for the masses yet.
If Rivian is charging $0.36 per kWh, a Rivian R1T will cost between $38 and $54 to charge from fully depleted to 100%, depending on the configuration of the truck's battery pack. In a more real-world scenario, charging from 10% to 80% will run between $26 and $38.Nov 9, 2023 So up to 150 kWh of electricity needed for your rivian! Also the problem with all electric vehicle is energy density is the lowest amount of gas, diesel, let alone the highest energy density is hydrogen car!
Real world range in ev is not the same as gas cars..gas cars give u more range for the same price..and most Superchargers over charge as high as 55c kwh
Don’t listen to people unless they’ve driven or own an EV
This!!☝☝
Good couple videos...however calling people tin foil hatters in 2024 is beyond naive. Better wake up to reality soon or you will be completely caught off guard. New sub btw.
I call it as I see it. I always have, and I will continue to do so. Thank you for your honest assessment.
Were you calculating premium gas? Any luxury vehicle I have owned is premium only. I think electric it’s way cheaper
All states have different octane and prices it really depends on were u live fr. 93 & E85 is cheap to me but not everyone else
That is a good point because the Ram TRX requires premium gas. Thanks for commenting!
@@Doob2x cheaper than regular? Where I am e85 is cheaper than regular but premium is not.
Depends the property owner of the Supercharger most overcharge making it more expensive than gas..if u only charge at home at night then u good..if u drive 200-300 miles like me its not worth it
@TheOnyxWolf-- I have only been driving a Lincoln as a daily driver since 1986. I would consider a full size Lincoln a luxury car. My first Lincoln did require premium gas. My second Lincoln, a 1994 Town Car ran on regular gas. My current Lincoln is a 2002 Town that that also runs on regular gas.
If you can charge from home, it is usually much cheaper than gas. But to use many public chargers, it is more expensive than gas.
Eventually they'll pass laws where you cant have a charger at your home, for safety reasons.
Just as you cant have a gas pump at your home.
They already have plans ready to eventually regulate the electricity you can use, even from solar panels in your own home/property.
They will also become a utility you pay for, amd you wont be able to just add whatever ot how many you want.
Everything people think is so great, and will happen is the complete opposite of what all of this will turn into.
All of it, every aspect will be government owner and controlled and the cost to the general population will be insane...
Globalist elites and their political allies have specific goals:
To gain absolute power and control over the resources the wealth and the general population.
The population is just too naive, gullible, and dumb thanks to decades of 24/7/365 brainwashing Globalist propaganda.
Too many aren't thinking about reality in any of this.
I used a 110 outlet for 12 years to charge mine, and the charging outlet for a EV is a NEMA 14-50 which is a dryer outlet, so they would have to ban all the outlets in your home if that's the case, but at least you wont have an electricity bill 😅
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@@thedukeofmanville to underestimate their ability to regulate anything they want at this point in time is just pure ignorance.
Any way people think they can/will bypass regulations/laws will be addressed as they come.
None of this has been about what has been claimed, and none of it is going to be good for general society as a whole,
It's always been about a long, ongoing plan.
And it's been easier to make big strides as time has passed because so many are just far too easy to manipulate.
It's ok to laugh these things off, because most likely none of it will truly impact your life, only the next generation, and the next after that, etc..
But be assured it will all come to be as I've laid out, or fairly close.
And each and every person who has bought into it all, has helped to advance the processes.
It is no secret that the World Economic Forum / United Nations have been pushing EV's as well as 15 minute cities where you essentially own no vehicle and walk, bike or take public transit (EV) to move around within the 15 minute city.
EVs are a better choice than ICE Vehicles because they are more dependent upon centralized software and power (electric grid) which can be manipulated and controlled.
While you stated you did not purchase your EV to promote the "green economy", by helping the public accept EVs without the appropriate context is promoting it nonetheless.
If you are interested in balancing your content, I might suggest you take a look at the UN's Agenda 21 and Agenda 2030 and review the UN's proposed US distribution map which encourage a "zero carbon" world, an extreme reduction in personal travel and movement and a severe reduction in the world population.
Using your platform to properly educate others on what is going on as well as discussing your EV opinions and experiences would be a great service to the public.
If cleaner air is a biproduct of me promoting EVs that is a win win. I will definitely be looking in to the UN's Agenda 21/2030. Thank you for the suggestion as I am always looking forward to adding to my knowledge so I can educate my viewers.
Thank you for the suggestions! They are greatly appreciated!
Well the thing you basically ignored in the... tin foil hat guys comment is the part about paying by the distance driven which either that will happen and or taxes will be hiked up on electric rates.
Aside from direct taxes on gasoline there is as you mentioned tons of profits in the oil industry which aslo means lots of tax revenue.
Sooner or later if there is less taxes from oil they will want it from the electricity one way or another.
Sure right now home charging might beat the gas cost but that will certainly change.
Paying by the distance will be for all cars not just EVs.
@@thedukeofmanville
Well yeah I don't necessarily mean gas will be cheaper then, I mean it will more or less equal out.
In other words it might be cheaper now (charging from home)
But whenever these changes happen it will be same same as pretty much the majority of what you are paying at the pump is taxes and regulatory fees.
Ice is dead...stay with world changing true American engineering
Far from ready for prime time... Very old technology that should have been left in the dustbin of History where it belongs. Picture every car on the road being an EV. Now tell me, in the next ten years, they want to be rid of all ICE vehicles and ICE tools, generators, etc. Where and how are all of these vehicles and equipment going to be charged? And how about the materials needed to build the batteries, 300,000+ million will be needed to replace all of the vehicles on the road today here in the US. Where are the rare earth minerals going to come from to build the batteries? I could care less what you drive, but what they are doing is beyond criminal, forcing folks into battery operated vehicles and equipment is not going to fly. This is simple commonsense and math.
EVs have a place no doubt, it's just they're optimised for short, urban journeys and technology maturation will take many years, then there's the flammability and insurance issues. For long distances, towing and heavy applications ICE vehicles remain superior. EV trucks and buses particularly have a lot of catching up ahead.
Since most people travel less than 50 miles a day, and rarely take road trips more than 200 miles, EVs fit most people use case. We have done multiple 1000 mile road trips in my Rivian, and they have been the best road trips by far.
Thanks for commenting!
My Rivian R1S is $1500 a year for high insurance coverage with max rental added. About 30% more than my Kia Telluride it replaced, but that vehicle was half the cost. I don't think it's outrageous.
High-energy-density vehicles, such as those with advanced battery technology, offer several advantages:
1. **Longer Range:** Higher energy density means more energy stored in the same space, allowing for longer distances to be covered on a single charge or tank of fuel. This is particularly beneficial for electric vehicles (EVs) as it addresses range anxiety concerns.
2. **Better Performance:** Vehicles with high-energy-density batteries can deliver better performance, including faster acceleration and higher top speeds, as they can store and release more power.
3. **Lighter Weight:** Higher energy density often means less weight for the same energy capacity. This leads to improved efficiency, as the vehicle expends less energy to move its own mass.
4. **Space Efficiency:** More energy stored in less space can lead to more cabin space for passengers and cargo, as less vehicle volume is dedicated to the energy source.
5. **Reduced Environmental Impact:** For EVs, higher energy density typically translates to less frequent charging, reducing the demand on electricity grids and potentially minimizing the vehicle's overall environmental footprint.
6. **Cost Efficiency:** Over time, vehicles with higher energy density can be more cost-efficient due to less frequent refueling or charging and improved longevity of the energy source.
These advantages make high-energy-density vehicles particularly attractive in the context of electric vehicles, contributing to their growing popularity.
IMO, can we all agree that oil does not grow on trees? Therefore we should not be burning it to get from A to B. The human race needs to save every drop we have left, recycle old oil, and use it to lubricate our machines/industries etc. and not pollute our planet's atmosphere. It doesn't matter how much alternate energy costs us now if we are ruining our children's future. How arrogant and callous to believe it's our kids problem to fix things just so we can have cheap gas now. Or any energy source cheap.