The Nissan Titan XD Cummins Diesel Failed The Test Towing 9K Up 6% Grade. || Find Out What Happened!
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- The Nissan Titan performed the worst (in my opinion) towing 9,00 lbs. up 6% grade...
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The guage you were talking about in the video wasn't the soot level in the dpf filter, it's the exhaust temperature.
Thanks, was that high or is that the average temp?
Average. If it was high, the computer would derate the engine.
@@JB_WhoWork you want to do a test.?. here in aus, we hav the toyota 4.5tdi. twin turbo, 680 nm. so dont be hard on the 5lt,,id love one.. i have a s/duty, brazilian buld, german 4.2tdi, zf 5 sp. no computer. puts out more than the toyota.. 700 nm.. so much for toyota tech..
3/4 ton tow stability with 1/2 ton power. I think the XD is an amazing option for guys who just tow Travel Trailers 5-10 times a year and don’t want to pay $20K more for a 3/4 or 1 ton.
It's literally the comeback of the heavy half. Which I something this market sorely needs. We need like a 2000 truck class to slot between the 1500 and 2500. Like an f200 or a ram 2000. Oooh imagine a ram 2500 with lighter suspension and a 4 cylinder version of the current 6.7, like a modernized 4BT. And maybe a ford f150 with literally a 6.7 powerstroke with 2 cylinders cut off. They would sell. And they'd share so many parts, only unique parts that should be necessary should be crank, cams, block, heads, and intake/exhaust manifolds. Use the same pistons/rods, same pushrods/rockers, all the same bearings, same gear drives and pump systems, etc. etc.
@@Prestiged_peck I completely agree. Modern 3/4 or 1 ton diesels are way overkill for most people but 1/2 tons don’t get it done. I do love the XD for that reason, just wish the Cummins was continued and mated to the new 8 speed (I think it’s an 8 now). It desperately needs another gear to grab.
The 5.6 v8 is more 3/4 ton power, in that gen 390 hp and idk the torque but overall the power is on par with 3/4 tons from around that time in terms of gas engin
@@edan7813torque matters more than hp towing bud
Except it cost more than some 3/4 ton offerings. (Tradesman, XL, Custom, etc)
From Cummins:
Engine Design/Configuration 90-Degree V-8 Turbodiesel
Horsepower 310 Horsepower @ 3,200 rpm
Torque 555 lb-ft of Torque @ 1,600 rpm
Wringing it's neck to 4k rpm puts it way outside the efficient window where it produces TQ and hp. TQ is what you need to pull. I have a 2017 and I've pulled 14k lbs on a trailer before and had no issues getting to highway speeds. 80mph pulling even 9k is not really smart with those tires on the trailer. They're not rated for that speed to begin with. We have to remember this is not a 3/4 ton truck, it was not designed for that. But I've pulled some super heavy stuff, I pull my racecar, extra race fuel and all my gear in a 26' enclosed and have never had an issue. Going through TN and all it pulls fine. It's also lifted 6" on 35's and still no issues. The fuel mileage sucks but other than that it's a good truck! Remember folks diesels don't like to be revved high, they make their TQ at low revs.
I own a 2018 XD and I added the Pedal Monster by banks and it really changed the performance and acceleration. I would really recommend adding this to the XD!!
What setting are you running?
@@chadhyde50 City when I’m around town and sport when I’m towing.
@@ronniegarvin2123 does it actually make it better in sport mode??
@@carlosh6497 yes it does.
Hey JB, I know that people that own a Titan XD diesel will review this so this is for them, I have a 2016 Titan XD Cummins with 62,000 miles and it runs fantastic, and like you said very stable. I bought it used with 23,000 miles and it had AFE performance products on it. When I did research on this company, these are modest modifications, Momentum HD Cold Air Intake System and scorcher power module as well as the 5" exhaust. I think this really had a major effect the performance of my truck without going overboard without deleting it. I also got a letter yesterday from Nissan, they are giving extended warranties on the Turbo Actuator and the Turbocharger for 10 years or 150,000 miles from the manufactured build date. Plus if you had them replace you might be eligible for full reimbursement, if you own a Titan you should have the letter or get it soon. I love the truck and love the way it tows, I never had one white knuckle experience with this truck, great video!!
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Thanks for sharing this James, if I was in the market for a 1/2 ton, the XD is the only one I would trust to tow a true 10k. AFE does makes some good stuff and if it wasn’t illegal, I would delete without even thinking about it! Thanks again 👍🏾
I have this exact same truck and agree with everything you say, the only thing I would say different is that this truck is slow, but no matter the weight I’ve towed it really holds your speed really well, just doesn’t accelerate quickly.
Delete and tune.. you will see night and day difference
The factory tuning is what the real problem is on these. They’re not tuned to be fast out of the box
Agreed with all of you.
I have a lifted 2016 XD deisel as my tow rig for my 7000lb camper and it pulls like a dream. It's only problem from the factory is all the restrictive government exhaust BS. Breath better run better!
Do a delete kit on the truck get rid of that def!!
I agree im about to delete my 2017 after the warranty
@@jmoo72 I want to do that, but I don’t know how:( like do I just take it to a exhaust shop and tell them if they can delete it or??
@@carlosh6497 naw bro its federa illegal to do it! You got to do it yourself
@@jmoo72 damn Fr? I ain’t know that wtf
Towing isn’t about speed its about repeating it safely every time. Don’t see many fast semis.
You’ve never driven access the plains states, getting passed by semis doing 80+
yes cause merging on the interstate,struggling to get to speed is safe 🤣
Uh…. You should watch some truck pulls. Dudes popping wheelies in semis hauling absolute ass with 100,000 lbs behind them.
@@Illsayanything that’s because they have caterpillars in them. Lol.
My 2017 S.L. was purchased to tow my 2021 Lance 2375 at 7.2k lbs. My best mileage is over 15 m.p.g. when out of tow mode on the flats. Can do 65 m.p.h. on any grade and very happy so far.
First, I love your channel. I almost didn’t buy my 2019 platinum because of this review. Glad I took a chance and gambled on it. I tow a 28’ with 7.5 ceilings, so its taller then yours. I towed it this weekend up grades, set CC at 72 and it held perfect. Think your truck had something wrong with it
I’ve never driven this truck specifically but I def know my duramax doesn’t like to ride up the RPM like that. Pulls harder when you ease up off the throttle and let her shift to get those lower RPMS where most diesels max torque is? Just food for thought. :) love the vids!🙌🏼
Yeah something is definitely off with that truck. I live near Frederick and have a xd platinum reserve. I pull my camper up that same hill all the time. It doesn't weigh quite 9000 lbs but I have no issues with power like you did in the video. I saw you got off at the Myersville exit, that's actually where I live. I wish the payload on these trucks was a little more but it does an amazing job pulling our 32' travel trailer, the truck definitely stays in control of the trailer. Great video!
Ha, we were looking at land out that way! Thanks for sharing 👍🏾
Great review. Was looking for an additional tow vehicle. Have had many of the big 3 American diesel trucks. Actuaually, towing 8200 pounds up 6 per cent upgrade is not too bad at 70 MPH
I tow a 10k fifth wheel through the mountains of VT. Yours acts like you have some sort of an issue. There should be no whistle like you have and at 70 mph, I can easily accelerate. Might want to have it checked out.
I find it comical everyone bitching cause it’s not fast or it’s underpowered. You don’t see anyone bitching saying a 5.9 cummins is underpowered, or an older duramax is underpowered yet this truck has the same power. I’ve towed upwards of 14k lbs with mine bone stock and it was fine. Now that I’m tuned and deleted it’s a different animal. I’ll put mine up against any half ton you want to bet against
Great review. That whistling noise you hear coming out the exhaust is the turbo.
Good review JB as always! I do think while the XD is a great truck, Nissan was a little too conservative in regards to power for competing against the 3/4 class. Everyone who does a delete and tune says it's a totally new truck after I personally own a 2017 non XD Titan and I'm pleasantly surprised with its towing performance. I tow a 26' RV and it has no problem getting up to speed. I would be interested in a towing review from you on the 1/2 ton Titan especially with the new 9 speed
If you delete in California, you risk losing your registration. Not worth it to roll some coal.
@@JamesMcGillis well "rolling coal" is just a byproduct of removing the cat. Removing the cat in all turbocharged engines improves flow and power. For modern diesels it makes a big difference as they're very restrictive. But yes I know California has the most ridiculous laws that state is miserable.
My XD diesel just towed 13,500 lbs from Oregon to Indy with some big pulls out of the West, it did just fine and maintained 70 mph most of the time.
Holding 70 mph on 6% is impressive... try that with a stock 1500 and get the 13+ MPG! The 2wd has a higher payload. Also if you would have pushed the camera button you can remove the blue line and see the hitch.
That truck needs a delete kit on then it would be great know someone that has one and deleted the def and it pulls amazingly!
Hey I have an 18 and am trying to find the delete and can't seem to find any
I read a review back when this Cummins came out and the 5.6 seemed to beat it in every way including towing MPG in that test. I will say I tow a boat with the new 400ho Armada. The boat is 6,500 and it accelerates better than many cars do. You almost can’t tell it’s back there. I’d go get the 2021 XD with the 5.6 and do this exact test and I’m sure the new 5.6 would clobber this 5.0 Cummins up that grade! The cool thing about the Armada is it self levels. I’m really happy with it!
I've owned the xd 5.6 and currently own the xd 5.0. Having put 40k on the 5.6 and 20k on the 5.0 towing the same camper and dump trailer, cargo trailer etc I can assure you the 5.0 gets better mileage empty and towing anything you hook to it. Pulling our fifth wheel camper I got 8 with the 5.6 and 10 with the 5.0. It's not a perfect truck but for the money it's a great value. Nissan needs to make their own diesel and jump in with both feet on the HD truck market.
The 2020-2021 5.6 motor is a whole new beast, i almost felt it was to much for the regular titan with that 9 speed. Made me feel like i was riding a race bike, gun it or park it.
Yup, that 5.6 in the Armada tows really well. Still, would love a Cummins and after seeing the new Tundra, looks like its still the best option for me.
Difference is you really have to rev that 5.6 to get the torque that the 5.0 delivers at less than 2000rpm. If youre okay with keeping the roms up the gas engine works, but works alot harder than the diesel. Ive towed with both my xd, a tundra 5.7 abd an f150 5.0 and at low rpms there is no comparison. You have to keep the gas engines roms up to maintain speed on evem the smaller hills, the 5.0 in my xd seldon downshifts unless im pulling some steeper hills, and keep in mind my platinum reserve weighs north of 7400lbs, 1500lbs more than most half tons. And the stability cant be touched by any half ton period.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix yep the gasser has all the power in the world but it has to scream to get it out. Having owned both of them I can confirm that the diesel generally stays around 2000 rpms on the highway and pulls hills really well at about 2700. 2700 was almost the cruising rpm with the gasser while towing. Now at high elevations with a big load it's going to work harder. The big advantage to me is the mileage. It's almost a wash if you're paying retail for diesel, but I have a discount card to use at truck stops which gets me diesel for about the same price as 87 octane and sometimes cheaper. No one discounts gasoline at least not that much because semis don't run on gas.
I own a 2021 Nissan Titan Pro4x and people have no idea how good these trucks are, big 3 are garbage ..sorry all.
I've owned every pickup except the Tundra and all feel " flimsy" but my Titan always feels put together.
Their great towing vehicles IMO.
The fact he was just below the red line while holding steady up hill should've indicated either turn OFF tow haul mode or go into manual shift mode to be in 6th gear overdrive. Since any diesel truck's peek power and torque range is never below 1500 or above 3500 RPM, his cruising RPM of nearly 4000 is in more ways than one restricting this truck!
Operating outside of that range (mostly the transmission's fault) will not only feel sluggish, but will lower overall efficiency, putting stress on the truck, and potentially cause it to overheat.
So it seems this truck's biggest shortcomings are due to the transmission and like many say is more comparable to the trucks of the mid 2000's at best MAINLY because of that damn transmission.
Doesnt seem fast for 310hp and 555 torque but you have to remember that this truck also weighs 7400lbs so its just as heavy as a 3/4 ton but less power. Im tuned and just the 30hp tune makes a world of difference in towing. Feels lile way more than 30hp. But there is more to towing than acceleration, and when it comes to stability no half ton can touch the XD.
Exactly. People want a Ferrari, I just want something to safely pull.
@@jjsemperfi exactly! They want 0-60 in 4 seconds, 20 8nch touch screen, autonomous trailer maneuvering, self driving and 50mpg. They judge trucls based on numbers of a truck they would never buy. "Hey an F150 can tow 14,000lbs, thats more than that titan xd. But to tow that much you have to get a stripped down base xl model 2wd single cab long bed with no options but the max tow and 3.5 ecoboost. Almost nobody is buying that specific truck. And even if a half ton can tow what my XD does, its been shown time and time again that they have nowhere near the stability of my XD. My XD tows with the same stability as a 3/4 ton with a better ride. If towed my big box trailer with an F150 5.0, a Tundra 5.7 and neither held a candle to my XD when it came to stability. Say what you want about the XD but tow 10,000lbs on rhe regular with it vs a half ton and I guarantee the XD will hold up longer. Especially the frame and suspension.
I think you have a turbo discharge pressure leak. I’ve owned my 2016 since new and it never whistles like that. I pull 8800 lbs and can accelerate just fine. Best riding 3/4 ton I ever owned. That be 5 F250s. I would put the ride quality and sound quality up against any other diesel. True the payload is no 3/4 ton. It’s really a 1/2 ton bed capacity but that’s why it rides so nice on bumpy roads. I also looked at the quality of the build and its so much better than the big three. She’s got a bad infotainment system, that’s for sure. Ill be replacing that one. 55K miles and pulling strong.
I don’t think the acceleration with 9k behind it was bad at all. That’s a pretty small diesel, you can’t compare it to the big 6.7’s or 6.6. I think it out tows any half ton which is what it was made to do
The XD is a 5.0 liter, sequential-turbo, dual overhead cam V-8. It is a Cummins, but it is not anything like the Ram straight six. I coulda had a V-8!
My Titan xd is deleted and it’s a beast tuned
I traded in my Toyota Tundra for an '18 Titan XD specifically to tow my 40' 10klb travel trailer. Had a few issues at the beginning with some sensors which appear to be the biggest complaint. Nissan and Cummins went too conservative with the engine/trans setup and really ended up making a truck that is entirely too sensitive. That and the restrictiveness of the exhaust setup is insane. Other than that I like the truck, hoping for longevity.
@@B-rad303 its in its weight class. Dont get your nuts in a bust cuz it blows your rev limiter on domestics
I pull a 30-foot Cougar 5th wheel with my Titan Cummins turbo XD. I added air bags to the rear and Bilsteins up front. With a 6" lift, it is a hooked-up towing machine. Nissan electronics are always a few years behind the time.
I have this truck and I have hauled 10 tons no problem. You have to know how to drive her thought. She's also fast, if you know what you're doing.
You've towed 20k with this??? What?
@@Laodell how did DOT not bother you if the towing cap is 12k? Aside from the other low numbers.
Nissan didn’t design this with Cummins. This engine was supposed to go into the half ton Ram pickups, but Ram went with the fiat Eco Diesel instead. Nissan around that time was actually looking for a diesel like this to use to fill the gap between a half ton and 3/4 ton market.
I love JB Reviews! I agree with everything you said. I'd love to see you do a video on a RAM CUMMINS in FL next week.
Thanks! Looking forward to it 😍
I have a 2016 pro4x Cummins and tow 7000 lbs regularly. I feel like your truck has something wrong with it because mine is not that slow and with a cold air intake the turbocharger not as loud as that either
yeah I have a 2019 cummins and I tow 11k regular and I don't have those problems.
I just got a ‘17 XD Cummins with 40K miles on it for $42K. The power is great for what it is. Driving from Salt Lake up to Idaho it never downshifted or struggled going 80mph the entire time. Looking forward to towing our 7000 lb TT. For our purposes this truck will be perfect.
Better have lots of fuel money
Personally I am not a cummins user I am a duramax user but its still good content also the whistle is the turbo if you straight piped it you could really hear it
Cummins developed that engine with Daimler/Chrysler Dodge for the 1500
And it’s an older platform they used in school buses.
I have a nearly identical truck to the one in this video, 2018 Pro4X, but mine has a few options this one does not. Anyways, we tow a 33' camper with it and it takes it no problem. The truck is very powerful. Granted on some hilly mnountains and stuff, she does slow down a bit, but it's far better than my 2017 Tundra was at towing my rig
I always wondered about these trucks. You can tell it definitely doesn’t pull like a inline 6 Cummins with those high rpm’s but seems like it’s better than a gas half ton.
A newer truck with powertrain specs similar to heavy duty diesels from the mid 2000s I'm not surprised that's about what I would expect for an early duramax or stock 5.9 cummins
TBH, based on the video either he doesn’t know how to tow or the truck has something wrong with it. I’ve towed more than 10k through 6% grade hills in the mountains of Tennessee and never had a bit of issues pulling! I have this exact truck and it outperforms every expectation I’ve ever had for it to include it’s acceleration under load!
Always liked the idea of this truck, I just remember hearing about way too many problems with the drivetrain and Nissan's support. Wish Toyota would've given the segment a try since I think they'd do a better job at it.
The xd is a 3/4 ton. It's rated for the same GVWR as gasoline 3/4 tons.
Love your channel!
Thanks Alexander
Good honest review. Thanks
No problem 👍🏾
My Titan XD tows my 32 RLS Gateway regularly 5th wheel regularly. Truck and trailer on scales is 21K, have towed a big Horn gateway 367 and the truck and trailer on scales was 25k. My truck is fully deleted but I don't run anything other than a 30HP tune. Biggest issue I have is it's very very loud especially at the RPM you were at 3-4K is obnoxious. Used it for roofing towing 10-14k trips all summer with dump trailers. Your about the only person that said it feels very stable and planted towing. Feels like that for every trailer I've towed. Biggest thing no one mentions is the turning radius is unreal on these trucks. Coming from a 06 dmax, and a 11 dmax they felt like driving a river barge.
I don’t know 2019 with the Diesel pro 4X I tow eight 8500 pound fifth wheel. most of my towing is an upstate Pennsylvania and my wife and I simply love this truck. I must say I’ve owned Fords and Chevys 👎.
I live in the rockies and have an xd cummins, tow a 26ft enclosed car hauler with 5k of sxs's and gear which is right at 10k Our grades are often steeper than 6%. The only time i have had issues of power loss is when it kicked into regen mode. I will say this its a truck, so it isnt fast. The powerband is different than a gas. Overall i like the titan more than both previous f150's.
Take it to Canada or Mexico and let some parts fall off.. it will be a completely different truck and you won’t complain about acceleration or lack of power
That good old 5.0 Cummins we miss that motor.
Once deleted it would be amazing! 💯
@@JB_WhoWork Woah JB that tuned and deleted would be bad idea lol.
Lol
@@janamaro5894 Why? Everyone else who has done it would argue that it's the best thing you can do to them.
Deleting would definitely help but not many miss that motor. It was an underachiever and failure for Nissan.
I would rather get the 5.6L V8 instead, in that gen, 390 hp and 394 IB-FT
Ive got a deleted 2016 titan cummins if you want to compare with that, but im in Florida
I will be buying and deleting one soon.
That would be nice setup for single cab XD diesel, less weight overall
I agree!
I had a 2017 single cab XD, loved it never towed 9k so can't say how it would tow.
I have a 2017 XD and like you said off the line it sucks - I did just install a BANKS PEDAL MONSTER to see if it helps - I tow a 8000 lb Airstream and it does really well - I will let you know how it goes after my next trip 🍻
Following, winder how that banks did?
@@leesilas - definitely took a lot of the lag out
Imagine doing a diesel truck review and not recognizing a turbo sound.
It feels better than a 1500 towing because it's actually a 5/8 ton. At least I think so.
You are correct, this truck is more stable and eliminates any signs of sway but power was below average especially if you compare it to a Ford F-150 ecoboost
@@JB_WhoWork and F150 ecpboost also weighs less. The heaviest f159 weighs 5014lbs, thats 2400lbs less than the titan XD. Its easy to forget this truck weighs about what a 3/4 ton weighs.
well im interested to see how many of these engines last 20 yrs.....versus how fast it goes.....
my 4.2tdi mwm no computer, 700nm. is doing fine.. s/duty. german engine, zf 5 sp. you,,never got them.. brazilian, also in silverado,s with auto.. im in aus. they were also sold in s, africa, cheap there to buy.. canadia, mehico. some in u.k. also 4 cyl models.. only vids are brazilian.. i fitted a bigger turbo. still needs bigger one, tdo4 to tdo6. 220 hp.. good enough for aus..
I have one of these, looks exactly like that one. It's no racecar but it is a workhorse. If this truck had revised throttle pedal tuning and an additional 100 lb ft of torque I think they would've sold way more. It feels like a turd empty which doesn't give anyone any confidence that it would be different with a trailer. I pull either my dump trailer, box trailer, or fifth wheel camper with mine almost every time it gets on the road. Nissan needs to use their own diesel and jump in with both feet in the HD market. Mine has been a great truck.
my DEF pump failed on my 2016, was 1800 for a new pump or 2300 for a full delete and tune. I hardly ever actually use the tune, normally just keep it in "stock mode" BUT BOY!! the 2 times i have turned it to the level 3 "sports mode" that cummins will scream make the tires squeal and push you back in the seat! I understand why nissan would limit the engines, for longevity and all the new EPA bullpoop. there's a few tuned XD's in my town and all the owners are very happy. I was told the tune takes it to nearly 700lbs of torque. However I'm no mechanic lol. but since being deleted my truck towes waayy better and gets better MPG 👍👍
@@johnbracewell3700 I'm still on the fence about deleting...I know it will have more power and mileage but I still have a warranty. Having to breathe the damn ammonia fumes from the def is about reason enough to delete one.
@@fewworddotrick if i had warranty I'd wait for sure! I was against deletes until my pump failed...😅 I'm a carpenter not a mechanic. I didn't know anything about deletes. my pump was 3-6 months back ordered due to covid and truck won't run without it 🤷♂️ AND it was 3k miles over at failure, pump isn't covered under power train instead the EPA itself warrants all EPA parts 75kmiles on light duty trucks, and 50k on trucks considered Heavy Duty "the EPA considers the XD a heavy duty truck 🤷♂️" and only covers the DEF pump to 50k miles mine stopped at 53 😐 with the pump who knows how far away I dug really hard into deletes, and long story short I'm happy everyone I've talked to is happy. However people warned me not to hot rod, because these new trucks have sensors to keep them from "hurting themselves" due to too much power....lol and with some of that now gone the trucks can make to much power and mess stuff up 🤔😅 according to my sources lmao. but ya i wouldn't ruin my warranty unless i had to.
I can’t say I would ever want this titan. BUT I have a 2008 titan that I pull a mowing trailer with everyday and it does great. Did a lot better than the 2010 gmc I had before the titan
I looked up the specs on a 2016 Titan XD SV. I'm buying it. The specs is alongside the ram 3500. Tow is like 12000.
With a bit of foresight at the time mixed with some hindsight 5-6 years later, Nissan did not go far enough with this truck when it came to the ambitions that birthed it. They tried to play the domestic truck fight game but played it too conservatively and did so at a pivotal moment in the competition between the Big 3. The Titan XD needed to follow the more established naming convention (1/2, 3/4, 1-ton *and* have specs to match those), needed to be able to tow much more than ~13k, and the diesel needed more power...not a lot more, but closer to 700 probably.
When this truck debuted Ford was about to unleash the current Super Duty with the now-over 900 Power Stroke, GM was seconds away from doing the same, and Ram was right behind them. To make things harder, the much more powerful diesels the XD Cummins was going to quasi-compete with were rated to tow over 15k and payload more than 2600. The Titan XD would have been a great 5/8s-ton truck back in the 00-05 model years; too little capability now though, when it will get smoked by an EcoBoost Ford up a hill pulling the same weight.
And that dash screen was much too small even when new. Again, would have been a real contender had it come out in 2011, but 2017 and after have seen the absolute head-bashingest fight between the Big 3 trucks in any market segment for which Nissan simply does not have the production capacity, or it appears, the willingness to market.
I agree. If they gave the Cummins a 2500 lb payload, 100 more ft lbs of torque and hp then it would have been a real contender. It’s perfect for someone like me who isn’t restricted by it’s low payload and just wants an HD 1/2 ton for a fraction of the price of the big 3. It is very outdated. We traded a ‘17 F-150 Lariat for it and the Nissan feels like it was made in the early 2000’s compared to the Ford.
Yeah I remember they were pushing the XD as a middle ground between a 1/2 ton and a 3/4 ton. Did it achieve that? Yeah but not in a good way, it was overshadowed by the more powerful purpose built HD trucks, and wasn’t fuel efficient enough to keep up with the other half tons. I would however love to know how it would have gone if ram had used this motor “as originally planned” in the 1500 instead of the eco diesel. What do you think JB? Should they have kept the 5.0 Cummins, or was the 3.0 eco diesel the right call?
The Ecodiesel had its challenges but it is primarily a fuel efficient alternative to the HEMI. The 5.0 Cummins wasn’t exactly a great platform due to it being new but it had great potential if they kept building them. I don’t think RAM needed a strong platform like the XD for the 1/2 ton segment because if they built something to compete, why buy a 3/4 ton 🤷♂️
@@JB_WhoWork I was thinking more of using the 5.0 just in a standard 1500. Something that would give a bit more Torque and fuel efficiency for someone who may not tow “heavy” but does tow very often if not even as part of there business. But I’m sure FCA had there reasons 🤷♂️
This engine in the ram would have been a beast! You're talking well over 1,000lbs less weight amd alot more power. A tuned and deleted 5.0 cummins in a ram would flat out move!
@@JB_WhoWork they did put that 5.0 in tiffin motorhomes and in bluebird school busses before it went into the titan xd. In those vehicles it was called the ISV 5.0
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix I agree, but who knows what fca was thinking. Maybe they thought they had good reason. I have heard some of Cummins smaller motors “3.0 and smaller” are not that great
A professional driver doesn’t drive a truck like that…I won’t ever push my truck,diesel or gas to that rpm’s…high rpm means less mpg,and later transmissions and engine problems..I have a 2007 gas Titan with 350.000 miles,pulling a trailer w granite every day…Your foot is the problem or the long living of a engine…I would be ok with 55-60 at max 3000 rpm and definitely more fuel in my tank..10.000 lbs is not a light weight,that truck did well…
1 year ago I took a 2016 Platinum with the Cummins for a test drive, I wanted a beefy half-ton... I loved the interior and the look of the truck.. I was really close to buying it. But, I got online to read as much info as I could because I knew if wasn't a "common beast".... a good friend advised that it might be better to go with a more common option... reading online gave me an uneasy gut feeling... someone else who's opinion on Nissans that I value (for good reasons) told me I should consider other options....
So I leased a 2021 Silverado 2500 HD with the Duramax instead.... I have no regrets. Moving up to the 3/4 ton... and taking in consideration the financing rate the dealer wanted to give me for the used vs the deal I got for this new HD truck... .I have no regrets what so ever.
Love the video JB.... I really wanted to love this truck.
Thanks for sharing Yves 👍🏾
You missed out on a great powertrain. Good luck finding the Cummins XD now.
Great video, I have been looking at this pick up recently. It doesn't matter to me about the slow acceleration, I won't be towing a 9k lb trailer all the time. I am looking to buy 7500 lb travel trailer. Is this truck still for sell?
I have a 2018 XD Cummins SV with 15000 miles. New tires $40k if u interested
@@isai267 I’ll buy for 20k
Great vid JB, very interesting. Greg & Jenny, New Zealand.
It almost sounds like a boost leak.
That sounds more accurate although the sound was coming from the back…
I agree, definitely blowby...
That sound is your intercooler pipe, definitely a boost leak, your trailer brake settings seem a little high. Also it does have an exhaust brake, but it automatically engages when decelerating down hill and coming to a stop
You should do a big comparison with the 3.0 duramax, 3.0 eco diesel, 3.0 power stroke, 5.0 Cummins full out comparison and which you think is best
I would love to but getting all those trucks together would be extremely hard. I’ve never tested a baby powerstroke or even driven one 🤷♂️
Ford stop making the 3.0 powerstoke
Thats the turbos your hearing, your driving a diesel with compounds, your going to hear it. And you've got a big trailer behind you, no truck is going to accelerate that fast with the weight
The XD gassers are the toe pigs. That Cummins is easily 400lbs heavier than the VK56.
If your going up 6% grades and you want to do 80 or 90mph while towing 9k...this truck isnt for you 😂
The truth is that Nissan greatly restricted this truck kinda on purpose. I purchased my 2012 XD with 30,000 miles for under $25,000. With a pedal commander a DEF delete and tune And rear air bags. I spent under $3000. And the truck is a completely different truck. With the horse power gains the new exceleration and fuel mileage and towing with the bags. For the price you cant beat it!!!. $$50,000 to $70,000 on a used 2500 from ford or chevy i think i got a deal. A little investment goes a long way. TRUST ME!
Maintaining 70mph with9 k on that grade. That’s not a failure. At ALL. TFL truck did a comparison with f250s on the Ike with 7k in the back at 14% and they couldn’t get above 45 mph.
My 2018 with 125k just had a internal catastrophic failure. Nissan has bailed on repairing them. Yes they are not power house diesels, but considering when towing the weight of the XD and large brakes, will out perform any half ton. The Cummins 5.0 is the weak link in the Titan XD
Probably tow mode. I know it's safer to use tow mode but we never use it on our trucks.
I love the black color of this tbh
I looked at these, only down side was it towed 12k lbs., if rated to 15k lbs I would have bought over my Ram 2500. Looks cooler, and has the Cummins and Aisin reliability factor. It was built to be a 3/4 ton, but should have been rated at that level. The motor was designed to be the next generation of diesel, with a different function. The F250, non super duty version failed for the same reason. It’s a niche that doesn’t really exist for need or cost wise. There is not a value factor for that niche market.
While watching the tach, there was a little more than 1K rpm between shifts. Power seemed lackluster by watching the speedometer during heavy accelerating. I did like the rear sway bar. Thanks again.
Go drive one. They’re not Ferraris but the toque feels very good.
You took a big risk towing with the fuel tank that low. I had a 2016 XD that would lose fuel pressure every time it dropped below 1/4 tank. I had the lift pump burn out on me, and then had issues with the exhaust pressure sensor which caused the truck to run like crap and it would not complete a regen cycle which caused my DPF to become overloaded.
I got fed up with it and traded it in for a 2019 Ram 1500 with the 5.7l Hemi. The Ram gets better fuel mileage, but obviously doesn't tow as well.
Yes any modern diesel with a CP4 fuel pump you are never supposed to go below 1/4 or maybe 1/8 tank it's hard on the pump I thought the same thing when I saw the video
The exhaust brake part is a Cummins choice and not a Nissan. The 5 liter probably can’t put back enough negative HP to actually make it effective. I run mine on auto all the time in my 6.7.
I lovey 2017 pro4x it pulls my 10,000 fullloaded towhauler fine and i take it everywhere
Bro! I just gotta 2020 titan xd gas. We should definitely hookup and test it out. Im in columbia so not terribly far. The 20s have 9 speed tranny.
^Yes this^ The 2020 and up XD’s with the 5.6L Gas V8 are a much better powertrain in the Titan, then the diesel ever was. 400hp coupled with the 9 speed trans and 4.10 rear is a better powertrain then the underpowered, emissions laden, “Cummins branded” throwaway Diesel engine is. Plus without the extra weight of the diesel, you gain back some of the payload on the truck. My Gas XD has 1,900 lbs. of payload for comparison.
@@noosh8316 I've towed with my brothers 5.6 half ton pro4x and my xd cummins and that 5.6 cant touch the cummins unless you like reving the hell out of that gasser. That cummins just cruises up the hills without even having to downshift. Towing the same trailer I pulled the hills on I-10 west of San Antonio without ever downshifting, while his lighter half ton would drop 1-2 gears everytime we hit the hills, even the small ones. Below 3800 rpm the 5.6 doesnt have much torque, the cummins makes more torque at 1800rpm than the 5.6 makes at any rpm. Despite my diesel weighing 2,000lbs more than my brothers half ton 5.6 it still pulled way better. Way less downshifting when I wanted to pick up speed. And that keeps your transmission cooler. Drag racing with the same load sure he'd probably accelerate faster but you have to work that gas engine harder just to maintain speed up the smallest inclines. That diesel will pull at low rpms (under 30000) with no issues. The torque does the work.
Idk I've seen this same truck pull a 10k pound trailer it had trouble up hill but it made it
I think it's adequate. Why speed 85mph towing anyway. The torque is ok but could use a few more ponies. Like you said stability is key. By the way I have a 2014 ram bighorn with a 3:92 with LT tires and it towed very well
I agree but I’m testing speeds against other trucks so we know it can go 65 MPH but can it go 75 MPH is my goal. Truck did ok but I wasn’t impressed for this having the TQ/3.92 rear
85? It didn’t make even make 70 MPH at WOT for quite a long run.
70 & 85 are the exact same thing…
I really wanted to give this truck a chance but it doesn't have the capabilities that the Big 3 have. The pricing is too close to the Big 3 3/4 tons to make it competitive.
Very true but if you want a 1/2 ton (or 5/8 ton) that can tow a true 10k with great stability, this is it!
@@JB_WhoWork I feel like the gas engine would even do better than this.
I think so too!
All I can say is this dude has some balls towing up a 6% grade on pretty much an empty tank. I’d be more worried about that.
I’ve never lost speed on step hills. Even with a 3 car trailer with 6 side by sides in it.(17k lbs) Love my Titan. Towed my toy hauler to sturgis 12k 4000 mile round trip and the Titan had no problem handling the weight.
Thanks for sharing
But max tow on a 4x4 sl diesel titan is 12k. What do you got?
@@urielmorales9434 I didn’t say I wasn’t over weight. Or it was legal. But the truck can easily tow a lot more.
I have a platinum
Exactly what I was looking for here on replies. Getting rid of my '12 F250 , and going with a XD Cummins! Pulling a toy hauler/ street glide
Problem with this truck is that it’s weight classifications are in the 3/4 ton, but it was designed to be a beefy 1/2 ton that can’t match the capabilities of other 3/4 ton trucks
Has your truck had the ECM and TCM updates?
I wanted one but my 2011 pro4 x gas 5.6 will pull circles around that truck!!I pull 8500lb tractor and mini x all the time with mine and out preform that with ease…
I put the hikeit throttle commander on my 18 Titan and it made all the difference in the world best thing I have ever done to it what a difference it made
You must delete and tune, it will run like a completely different truck. I own a 2016 titan cummins, I was a little disappointed myself until I may or may not have deleted and tuned ;)
Hey who did you use I have an 18 and can't find anything
@@devonarchambault2847 for the exhaust or the tunes?
My husband has a 2016 xd cummins and when he deleted it, it was a whole new animal. 😅 then we had to do a warranty claim on the turbo actuator, he had to undelete it to take it up and delete it again. 🤣
It's hard to find because they're no parts for it when it breaks. Not a very good engine despite the Cummins name.
I had a 2017 single cab xd cummins, overall great truck. Never towed 9k on it, but did you try manually shifting gears? I've towed lighter loads on my xd and had weird shifting issue. Manually shifted and it worked great, also nissan has transmission updates out that dealer don't do unless you complain. My xd trans sounded like a dump truck through the gears which was resolved in a update. Traded that truck in for 2018 xd 5.6 with 7 speed, not as good as the 9 speed they came out with. That 9 speed is butter on the new XD
I own a 2017 single cab 4x4 with the Cummins. I’ve been 23,420lbs GVW at the landfill with it before. THE THING IS A TANK. I average 11.6 mpg towing. And about 19mpg unhooked. Only 44k miles so far.
I use the manual downshift every time I decelerate from speed. It works like a charm. With 50k miles, the brakes are like brand new.
7:50 lol you definitely hit that cone with the trailer
I have a 2018 Titan XD Cummins SV Midnight edition Pearl white for sale . Only 15k miles on it. Nothing is wrong with it i just trying to buy a tractor , asking 40k . 💰💰💰💰💰
That same truck is for sale in Thomson Ga for 36k. Mint with a old man camper top. Lol. 56k miles
Full throttle up 6% grade, going for a speed run and holding it at redline and your not even sure what your looking at the guages. Call me from a Titan diesel owner you should look through the manual before you test that truck. It doesn't have a DPF so level that's exhaust temp and the stock gauge is horrible. Truck never really made good boost either I'm going to say there may have been an issue with that particular truck to begin with
Just sold mine after a couple years and before the warranty ran out,I’ve always had good luck for the price on Nissan trucks but I had issue after issue the last 20k miles so I really needed something to tow a lot so Ford F-250 I went
My buddy has one with 75000 miles and hes had 4 EGRs replaced...
@@centexreload5327 yeah I had one replaced and turbo after and said I’m done ..same parts so same issues down the road
13:00 you don’t know what the turbo whistle is? 😂
That’s not turbo whistle
Good video brother
Thanks JD 👍🏾