"Why are you a fan of star trek"> Because its the only one that has hope, hope for better, despite adversity and self destructive nature and deeply flawed beings. Hope.
And what makes Star Trek's hope amazing is that it's a post-apocalypse story. They remade this world of hope literally from the ashes of the old world.
Especially if you are an Intl Relations major. There's a lot of parallel between the alliance institutions and privileges offered by the Federation and with a certain real-world great power.
@@DrumToTheBassWoop I don't like trashing new Trek series for trying something different, but I honestly think this is where shows like Discovery and Picard really lost their way This episode of SNW really spoke volumes to me because it demonstrated that the show was interested in returning to the formula that made Star Trek so great...which was as you and OP put it...educating past, current, and future generations to build toward the society that Trek envisioned so many years ago
Over the top, over-optimistic, perhaps because the plot is constrained in one episode, but the message is clear, sound and much needed in nowadays world. Listen to the other's point of view, try to make it yours. Yeah this is 100% Trek alright. I am sooo happy to have given SNW a chance. I'd welcome 7 seasons of this stuff.
This is VERY reminiscent of TOS. A single self-contained episode, with a simple message, dealing with some interesting philosophical concepts and political ideas in a sci-fi way.
@@christopherg2347 yeah, sometimes he seems more awkward, but he can be funny. sometimes he makes the wrong decisions, but I think that's one of the reasons I like him. In many ways, knowing his fate, he's a more complicated person to understand.
I heard it more as a "Thank you for being the most openly honest, and most worthy of our loyalty." Anson Mount is utterly owning the Christopher Pike character.
@@Arondeight Inside, he was probably "Oh thank fuck somebody can actually think like we do. Here I thought there isn't a single other considerate species in the galaxy..."
@@Arondeight, I was thinking that, too. Maybe his first reaction was to refuse, but he reconsidered when he recognized the value of Pike's sincere appreciation of the R'ongovian position.
he is so freaking good. I keep thinking about that scene when he's choking up b/c he thinks Uhura and Hemmer have died and then he hears their voices...and the relief that you see in his face was tangible. incredible actor to go from throwing out quips and one-liners...to a dramatic scene like that
The Enterprise redesign (can we call it that? it's mostly a difference in the material quality, ie.. instead of being a plastic miniature, it's a 3d render with physically-based materials) is almost impossible to take a bad photo of. It's stunning in every scene. The intro sequence is goddamned amazing.
"The android at the bar said you could show me my old ship. Let me see it. ... The Enterprise. Show me the ... Enterprise, you chattering piece of .... N. C. C. 1. 7. 0. 1. No bloody "A", "B", "C" or "D"."
tell that to trekyards lol they say this Enterprise's paint is too dark to be the same as TOS, but it IS but don't realize that due to advances in CGI and lighting techniques that this Enterprise is what it would look like with light sources
@@Tosslehoffe its amazing to see an Enterprise look so good with proper lighting, other shows did some lighting but usually skipped it in post, but SNW is next level more of a modernization, keeping the classic look but making it look sleeker and modern as well as updating the internals from the 60s stuff Its the best looking Enterprise Trekyards be damned
Both? ;) Now, sure Stewart as Picard and Shatner as Kirk have had alot more screen time, but Anson and the writers certainly have given us every bit of proof as to why Pike was credited as being among the _best_ Starfleet Captains of all time.
Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer, and Burnham were self righteous and a bit arrogant at times Sisko, Pike, Saru, and Shaw are more humble in their approach they are captains who lead without ego.
Since this Series is available I'm my country I am absolutely binge watching it. It is so we'll produced and just again a bit more optimistic without throwing out all the work DS9 did. Absolutely amazing
And unlike Picard he knows what firing weapons and being badass are. I mean, comeon bro stole a pirate ship and acted like one XD Also he is much closer to his crewmen than even archer was! He is the best of 3 Different captains, 2 of wich Spok know's personaly!
@@time391 Probably because he's supposed to be a combination of every federation protag that star trek has ever had. The diplomacy of picard,the grit of sisko, the kindness of janeway,archer's bravery, and the charm of kirk. You can basically see all them in SNW pike, because he is by all definitions the series first captain.
THIS is Star Trek. The action and high stakes are great. But This is the core of Trek. Hopeful futures thru being our best selves Not just overpowering and out gunning everything ever.
This is always the type of star trek scene that truly holds up. It doesn't need flashy special effects, or massive armadas of ships. It's "just" people talking in a room, but it still conveys a thousand times more nuance and meaning than the biggest cgi space battle
Radical empathy works. It’s why the talking heads keep spitting out talking points and nonsense to keep us squabbling over things that keep us from realizing at a base level we all have the same wants and needs. This is of course a threat to those in power… so expect it to continue. However, if more of us could “play a hunch” we could finally move forward
One of the best, certainly. I think you can put any captain somewhere in a triangle scale of 'explorer', 'warrior' and 'diplomat' - Pike is pretty much an ideal of the latter - both dealing with others and how he runs his crew. Sisko is probably the ideal of the starfleet 'fighting captain', and so on. Others fall somewhere between the two styles.
gold may be an ingredient in their ships hull. gold titanium alloy is stronger than titanium itself and titanium is stronger than iron or uranium, that's why it's named after the titans of greek mythology.
it annoys me how he is expected to forge an alliance, then criticized when trying his hunch/approach and then congratulated if he is the expert, let the man work
we had kirk, piccard, janeway and sisco established as great captain in previous iterations. This one definetly made pike into a all time best ones, that will be refrenced and seen as benchmark for future like other were for this one.
how much was his hunch based on the fact he has to retain his rank to fulfill his time travel paradox act, and if they didnt join he would loose said rank and thus couldnt fulfill it
See Robert April there? This isn't the first show he appeared on. No, I'm not talking about the Trek cartoon. I'm talking about the western series "Have Gun - Will Travel", which was Gene Roddenberry's first major series gig (he wrote about 10% of the episodes). Roddenberry introduced a chaplain named Robert April in one episode, and then had Robert April appear in another episode. (Or I would argue it was another character also named Robert April since the two behaved nothing alike.) Roddenberry really had a thing for the name "Robert April", and I don't know why. It's not what I consider a great name. I do fully recommend "Have Gun - Will Travel" though. It was a smart western, with our hero Paladin as a gun for hire who always put principles first. This meant he might drop a job if he found out that his employer was crooked, or he'd defend a schoolmarm for free, or he'd risk his neck to make sure a fugitive got his day in court. Paladin operated out of San Francisco, incidentally, which you may recall is where Starfleet is headquartered. Coincidence? I think not.
It took 2 aweful series and a self parody for Paramount to actually get the formula back for what makes good trek. SNW has done a fantastic job even if it does still have too much JJ flair in it.
Hey, as a Lower Deck fan, I resent that. Sure, it doesn't have the philosophical appeal of other Star Trek series. Still, the story about the everyman/woman of Star Fleet in highly convoluted plots that entangle Star Fleet is just as engaging.
I’m going to be real with you, I do not like Uhura’s haircut. At least I could give the 60’s one a pass because that was the style at the time for attractive women. But every time I watch this show I keep forgetting that Uhura looks like this canonically now. Which brings me to my other problem, just have all new trek shows take place in its own cannon! I’m not even saying their all bad, Picard season 3 has been great and so has this show, But most of this shit doesn’t feel cannon to me anyway
@@childe57 because Star Trek used to be able to do both with the original 5 shows so I hold it to that standard. If you don’t want me to, make this it’s own timeline.
@@jaketylenol ST has already demonstrated that every show that occurs prior to TOS is its own timeline. Changes to the past due to time interventions have resulted in alternate timelines. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds does not result in TOS
"Chris, what the hell was that?" "The power of plot over the need to consider how two people might actually negotiate at a table. Can you imagine what it would take for the writers to live up to the standards of The Orville? Our target audience hasn't got time for slow burn story telling which means character development is a luxury we need to do without. Emotional engagement without a foundation may only result in short term appreciation but that's all Trek is now. Cod philosophic preaching that no one will remember the next day while Isaac's suicide is still talked about for daring to bring something that can and has effected many of us on many levels with a touch of the quill you wont' find here. Why drag out something that won't be investigated from any angle? Let's spell it out for our audience, collect our paychecks and go home. Then tomorrow... we'll do it all over again."
@@theguywithsomething8634 the Orville is way clunkier with unearned character moments. This was actually really well done episode and this is the nut of the takeaway for a whole new generation of Trek.
@@Camasf I don't agree with your assessment of the Orville especially the last couple of seasons got way better. It says alot that many of that many star trek alumni direct and appear on the show. Especially Johnathan Frakes and Levar Burton who are pretty damn awesome directors and writers themselves done a few episodes each.
this is the best out of the gate trek ever . they where a bit poor as they tried to find there feet . this show hit the ground running . yep it has a few low point, but one the whole season one of this is better than any others treks first seasons.
"Why are you a fan of star trek">
Because its the only one that has hope, hope for better, despite adversity and self destructive nature and deeply flawed beings.
Hope.
Babylon 5 is also very optimistic
@@Synthonymnah kid, star trek is better
That's because it was written by a socialist.
Hope springs eternal.
And what makes Star Trek's hope amazing is that it's a post-apocalypse story. They remade this world of hope literally from the ashes of the old world.
Star Trek is not just entertainment. It is also education. This was a great lesson.
Especially if you are an Intl Relations major. There's a lot of parallel between the alliance institutions and privileges offered by the Federation and with a certain real-world great power.
It's not just an education, it's our blueprint for our future society. 😎
@@DrumToTheBassWoop I don't like trashing new Trek series for trying something different, but I honestly think this is where shows like Discovery and Picard really lost their way
This episode of SNW really spoke volumes to me because it demonstrated that the show was interested in returning to the formula that made Star Trek so great...which was as you and OP put it...educating past, current, and future generations to build toward the society that Trek envisioned so many years ago
21st Century “Greek morality” plays (life lessons), like ST:TOS
Republicans should be forced to watch this show.
Over the top, over-optimistic, perhaps because the plot is constrained in one episode, but the message is clear, sound and much needed in nowadays world. Listen to the other's point of view, try to make it yours. Yeah this is 100% Trek alright. I am sooo happy to have given SNW a chance. I'd welcome 7 seasons of this stuff.
Me too. I think in the end it will be this series that salvages Star Trek. Not Picard, even if season 3 turns out to be great. (It is so far)
So true, so over the top, and yet I bought it. Damn tear came to my eye when the flag went up. Sigh.
This is VERY reminiscent of TOS. A single self-contained episode, with a simple message, dealing with some interesting philosophical concepts and political ideas in a sci-fi way.
@@rowlandbuck2703 Picard S3 was certainly better than the others but I wouldn't exactly call it good
Star Trek as a concept is over-optimistic. So many alien species, including humans, getting along under one federation? Puh-leeeease
The look on April's face after Pike started dropping truth bombs without warning is priceless.
I think Captain April is a good Captain, but he's not shown himself to be of the caliber of Pike or Kirk. At least not yet.
@@stanmo4331 Captain April can be a bit of a fool sometimes :)
@@christopherg2347 yeah, sometimes he seems more awkward, but he can be funny. sometimes he makes the wrong decisions, but I think that's one of the reasons I like him. In many ways, knowing his fate, he's a more complicated person to understand.
@@stanmo4331Admiral*
@@christopherg2347Admiral*
Hadn't caught it when I watched the episode, but Pike is wearing the Kirkest of Kirk shirts when he "plays his hunch."
1:15 “Thank you” I was SURE the Rongovian captain was going to reject the federation.Great poker face acting under all that makeup!
I heard it more as a "Thank you for being the most openly honest, and most worthy of our loyalty." Anson Mount is utterly owning the Christopher Pike character.
@@Arondeight Inside, he was probably "Oh thank fuck somebody can actually think like we do. Here I thought there isn't a single other considerate species in the galaxy..."
@@Arondeight, I was thinking that, too. Maybe his first reaction was to refuse, but he reconsidered when he recognized the value of Pike's sincere appreciation of the R'ongovian position.
I don't know about this scene, but goddamn Anson Mount is killing it as an actor.
Dude has all the beat fucking speeches that I've ever seen
he is so freaking good. I keep thinking about that scene when he's choking up b/c he thinks Uhura and Hemmer have died and then he hears their voices...and the relief that you see in his face was tangible. incredible actor to go from throwing out quips and one-liners...to a dramatic scene like that
When we first watched this, my wife turned to me and said, "The Great Bird of the Galaxy is smiling again."
When THAT music played, I cried like a baby, may have been born a few decades after TOS but my god I love it
I cried too, and I'm 53. For me, Star Trek is about hope.
@@scottreacher4620 could not agree more
@@scottreacher4620 Im glad im not the only one, what an emotional scene and a great lesson for the world we live in.
The producers got the music right.
Just enough and not too much of the original theme.
@@shawnr771 I absolutely agree
When the Enterprise is actually lit up properly like it is in the background here, it looks absolutely stunning.
The Enterprise redesign (can we call it that? it's mostly a difference in the material quality, ie.. instead of being a plastic miniature, it's a 3d render with physically-based materials) is almost impossible to take a bad photo of. It's stunning in every scene. The intro sequence is goddamned amazing.
"The android at the bar said you could show me my old ship. Let me see it. ... The Enterprise. Show me the ... Enterprise, you chattering piece of .... N. C. C. 1. 7. 0. 1. No bloody "A", "B", "C" or "D"."
tell that to trekyards lol
they say this Enterprise's paint is too dark to be the same as TOS, but it IS
but don't realize that due to advances in CGI and lighting techniques that this Enterprise is what it would look like with light sources
@@jeffreyolin626 to quote
"Why would there be a dash?"
@@Tosslehoffe its amazing to see an Enterprise look so good with proper lighting, other shows did some lighting but usually skipped it in post, but SNW is next level
more of a modernization, keeping the classic look but making it look sleeker and modern as well as updating the internals from the 60s stuff
Its the best looking Enterprise
Trekyards be damned
Sometimes Brutal honesty is the best diplomacy.
Specifically this version of Pike that Anson Mount plays, is either my favorite captain, or tthe *best* captain. i'm not sure which.
They're not mutually exclusive. Why have one when you can have both?
Pike is the reason Kirk IS the best Captain.😎👍
Both? ;)
Now, sure Stewart as Picard and Shatner as Kirk have had alot more screen time, but Anson and the writers certainly have given us every bit of proof as to why Pike was credited as being among the _best_ Starfleet Captains of all time.
Kirk, Picard, Janeway, Archer, and Burnham were self righteous and a bit arrogant at times Sisko, Pike, Saru, and Shaw are more humble in their approach they are captains who lead without ego.
@@Phantom19913 shaw has no ego???
This is why Christopher Pike is my favorite captain in all of at star trek.
Since this Series is available I'm my country I am absolutely binge watching it. It is so we'll produced and just again a bit more optimistic without throwing out all the work DS9 did. Absolutely amazing
which country?
Pike’s perceptive mind reminds of Picard during TNG. I loved every bit of SNW season 1
And unlike Picard he knows what firing weapons and being badass are. I mean, comeon bro stole a pirate ship and acted like one XD Also he is much closer to his crewmen than even archer was! He is the best of 3 Different captains, 2 of wich Spok know's personaly!
@@christianresel8051 Only problem is that he's not the warrior tactician that Kirk is, good captain, though.
@@time391 Probably because he's supposed to be a combination of every federation protag that star trek has ever had. The diplomacy of picard,the grit of sisko, the kindness of janeway,archer's bravery, and the charm of kirk. You can basically see all them in SNW pike, because he is by all definitions the series first captain.
It took getting through Discovery to get back to Star Trek.
It was worth it.
The night is darkest just before the dawn.
I'm just going to ignore that Discovery even existed, treat it like it some comedy spin off.
You could almost say that it's been a long road getting from there to here
@@DrumToTheBassWoop The irony being the actual comedy spinoff is 1000x more trek than Disco
@@Synthonym stop being dramatic. Discovery is not as bad as the purists make it out to be.
The willingness to take a point of view of another can go a long way to bridging gaps.
THIS is Star Trek. The action and high stakes are great. But This is the core of Trek. Hopeful futures thru being our best selves Not just overpowering and out gunning everything ever.
This is always the type of star trek scene that truly holds up. It doesn't need flashy special effects, or massive armadas of ships. It's "just" people talking in a room, but it still conveys a thousand times more nuance and meaning than the biggest cgi space battle
Shields up 😂
"Chris, what the hell was that?" - LOL
That was one of the best moments in SNW.
This scene is why Strange New Worlds is my favourite of the new Star Trek series!
shoulda let the vid run a bit longer. That scene of the lightship flying over Number One and La'an was unbearably cool.
Love the snippet of the TOS theme at 2:27, shame they didn't include it in the recent ost release
Feels old school
Im not a Trekkie at all and this scene is cool
Radical empathy works. It’s why the talking heads keep spitting out talking points and nonsense to keep us squabbling over things that keep us from realizing at a base level we all have the same wants and needs. This is of course a threat to those in power… so expect it to continue. However, if more of us could “play a hunch” we could finally move forward
Captain Pike is the best Captain.
One of the best, certainly. I think you can put any captain somewhere in a triangle scale of 'explorer', 'warrior' and 'diplomat' - Pike is pretty much an ideal of the latter - both dealing with others and how he runs his crew. Sisko is probably the ideal of the starfleet 'fighting captain', and so on. Others fall somewhere between the two styles.
The scene that made me love this show.
There must be a reason that the highest medal of service Starfleet had to over, is named after him.
Radical Empathy. What a gem of a people and society.
Given a choice, my starship would be made of gold.
gold may be an ingredient in their ships hull. gold titanium alloy is stronger than titanium itself and titanium is stronger than iron or uranium, that's why it's named after the titans of greek mythology.
it annoys me how he is expected to forge an alliance, then criticized when trying his hunch/approach and then congratulated
if he is the expert, let the man work
Probably because it was an unorthodox approach. The unorthodox are often criticized.
"You have good reason to suspect that price is to high for you to pay."
Doesn't that kind of sound like a challenge?
we had kirk, piccard, janeway and sisco established as great captain in previous iterations.
This one definetly made pike into a all time best ones, that will be refrenced and seen as benchmark for future like other were for this one.
Picard and Michael Burnham are the best
That thank you so heartfelt.
Another plot twist: the other side just pitied him.
Radical Empathy; I like it 🙂
Looking up the word, Convice. Convince me it exists!
Oh daddy Pike 😍
Chris Voss...Never Split the Difference. If you want someone to say yes to something it's a negotiation.
Darmok and Jalad at Tangra!
Picard and Dathon at El-Adrel.
Pike is like if you took Kirk and Picard and blenderized them into some kind of captainshake.
Radical empathy is what is going to be, once again, what save this nation from from itself.
how much was his hunch based on the fact he has to retain his rank to fulfill his time travel paradox act, and if they didnt join he would loose said rank and thus couldnt fulfill it
See Robert April there? This isn't the first show he appeared on. No, I'm not talking about the Trek cartoon. I'm talking about the western series "Have Gun - Will Travel", which was Gene Roddenberry's first major series gig (he wrote about 10% of the episodes). Roddenberry introduced a chaplain named Robert April in one episode, and then had Robert April appear in another episode. (Or I would argue it was another character also named Robert April since the two behaved nothing alike.) Roddenberry really had a thing for the name "Robert April", and I don't know why. It's not what I consider a great name.
I do fully recommend "Have Gun - Will Travel" though. It was a smart western, with our hero Paladin as a gun for hire who always put principles first. This meant he might drop a job if he found out that his employer was crooked, or he'd defend a schoolmarm for free, or he'd risk his neck to make sure a fugitive got his day in court. Paladin operated out of San Francisco, incidentally, which you may recall is where Starfleet is headquartered. Coincidence? I think not.
A great scene that is immediately followed by yet another great scene.
I'm certain the actor who played "Robert April" did a good job, but I personally believe that Morris Chestnut would have been more suitable to see
What part of the soundtrack is 2:26 - 2:46?
The other officer looks straight out of Mass Effect!
Little do they know. Just how advanced the Tellarites are.. As they will need their help in the future...
What does 'convice' mean?
Pike looks like Vanilla Ice
I mean, he did stop, collaborate, and listen
@@jamesterwilliger3176 lol take this upvote.
@@jamesterwilliger3176 Bwhahaha! Gold!
@@jamesterwilliger3176 Bro, I can't upvote this more than once. LOL
Awes🌼me 🌹,I see that. Not bad,Let’s see what you have🖖🏾🦅
The Admiral's take on seeing that flag didn't match his mood.
🙂
Seems like only Captains are permitted to wear the green shirts....
I see. They just wanted someone who can put themselves in their shoes
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Validation
It took 2 aweful series and a self parody for Paramount to actually get the formula back for what makes good trek. SNW has done a fantastic job even if it does still have too much JJ flair in it.
Hey, as a Lower Deck fan, I resent that. Sure, it doesn't have the philosophical appeal of other Star Trek series. Still, the story about the everyman/woman of Star Fleet in highly convoluted plots that entangle Star Fleet is just as engaging.
The self parody is FUN!! ❤
Plot twist: he is just a bad negotiator.
nice 15 fps video
low ass fps
Sometimes new Trek is really good. The flag Thing is a little corny.
Convice ??? Really ???
Not to be rude but their faces look like Bad Dragon products
THIS is star trek, political ideas, not messages
Not messages? Have you ever seen any of TOS or TNG?
Good show, not how life works.
the 40-year-old white male sealing an inter-species treaty without firing a single shot.
*THAT* is Star Trek.
Yeah...fantasy.
@@DanBrown96 ok, go have your daily dose of reality with Burnham starting an interstellar war every episode.
what the hell is this comment lmao
A culture of joe bidens.
Looks like conservatives are obsolete 😂
I’m going to be real with you, I do not like Uhura’s haircut. At least I could give the 60’s one a pass because that was the style at the time for attractive women. But every time I watch this show I keep forgetting that Uhura looks like this canonically now.
Which brings me to my other problem, just have all new trek shows take place in its own cannon!
I’m not even saying their all bad, Picard season 3 has been great and so has this show,
But most of this shit doesn’t feel cannon to me anyway
Why let canon get in the way of good storytelling.
@@childe57 because Star Trek used to be able to do both with the original 5 shows so I hold it to that standard. If you don’t want me to, make this it’s own timeline.
She has plenty of years to grow it out.
@@jaketylenol ST has already demonstrated that every show that occurs prior to TOS is its own timeline. Changes to the past due to time interventions have resulted in alternate timelines. Star Trek: Strange New Worlds does not result in TOS
"Chris, what the hell was that?"
"The power of plot over the need to consider how two people might actually negotiate at a table. Can you imagine what it would take for the writers to live up to the standards of The Orville? Our target audience hasn't got time for slow burn story telling which means character development is a luxury we need to do without. Emotional engagement without a foundation may only result in short term appreciation but that's all Trek is now. Cod philosophic preaching that no one will remember the next day while Isaac's suicide is still talked about for daring to bring something that can and has effected many of us on many levels with a touch of the quill you wont' find here. Why drag out something that won't be investigated from any angle? Let's spell it out for our audience, collect our paychecks and go home. Then tomorrow... we'll do it all over again."
Woah woah woah, I'm not reading that. Sum it up in one word.
@@TheGreatSeraphim Not one word, but... they really like the Orville show
@@theguywithsomething8634 the Orville is way clunkier with unearned character moments. This was actually really well done episode and this is the nut of the takeaway for a whole new generation of Trek.
Have you even WATCHED SNW? The show is NOTHING BUT character development, and slow burn storytelling. And that's why it works.
@@Camasf I don't agree with your assessment of the Orville especially the last couple of seasons got way better. It says alot that many of that many star trek alumni direct and appear on the show. Especially Johnathan Frakes and Levar Burton who are pretty damn awesome directors and writers themselves done a few episodes each.
Star Trek has been dead since Enterprise.
this is the best out of the gate trek ever . they where a bit poor as they tried to find there feet . this show hit the ground running . yep it has a few low point, but one the whole season one of this is better than any others treks first seasons.
Apparently it isn't.
this is written like a bad marvel movie
I wish you guys paid attention to bad TV when "Popcultured" was around.
You clearly didn’t see the full episode.
what marvel movie has this much dialogue?????
Oh, yeah? Where are the nonstop quips and references? Get real, dude.
@@Ostermond Don't you remember the part where Spock moonwalked and lip synced to Beat It on the bridge? That was my favorite part.
I can picture Pike doing exactly what Picard did here: czcams.com/video/5WHAUzBNoKw/video.htmlsi=UKTZi_nojrStuqul