Mariner and Boimler return to the future - Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x07 "Those Old Scientists"
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2023
- After meeting icons of the past, Mariner and Boimler go back to the future.
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1:30 honestly I love the Orion captain’s reaction. It feels like he was playing into his own stereotype because thats what everyone expected of him. He looks so grateful to be given the opportunity to break out of that stereotype.
remember in Orion society the men are the real slaves, the so called Orion slave girls rule with their pheromones and pretend to be slaves to lower alien males defences
So as an Orion male he's probably spent his life being told what to do by women using chemaicls to enforce their will on him regardless of his personal desires!
Same with his reaction at 0:56, like he's thinking, "wait, we actually break that stereotype?"
thats all anyone wants to be more then what they seem
It's also a VERY Lower Decks conclusion to the episode. Perfection
Once he realizes he's going to get the credit, he looks like he's trying not to squee like a much more softspoken version of Tendi.
Pike's reaction to Rutherford and Tendi time traveling is priceless. "Just....NO." he is so done with this shit 😆
He's done with two chaotic grimlins he doesn't need four chaos grimlins running around his ship and messing with the whole of time
@@Arvyn992 I WOULD'VE like to have seen the other 2 in real life, tho....even for a second.
@@samsignorelli That would be a little difficult to get the likeness of the Rutherford character to match the voice actor. They did a good job with Newsome and Quaid as Boimler and Mariner and Noël Wells would certainly do well as Tendi. But Eugene Cordero's physical structural likeness would be the most difficult.
yeah total meme-bait, but let's take it...
@@Arvyn992 gremlins*
I just loved the Orions in this episode, they played the part of pirates but the second that Pike said that they were scientists the captain looked so thankful for it
They really didnt play part of pirates, first encounter Pike armed his weapons and was ready to fire at any second, what did they do? warp the hell out of there for their safety, next encounter they wanted to show a sign of trust and traded which is a major sign of peace for orions. This encounter they were simply called there and accepted their message.
Over all they were playing tough out of fear, think about people attacking you base on your race thinking your a savage. While in reality your a big nerd who just wants to study plants and animals. they were just acting carful out of safety.
@@Fourtytwo4242 I think there was also a certain standard within Orion society to be ruthless and aggressive, and that he felt he had to play up to it
In Star Trek Enterprise, it was alluded that the Orion females control the males with their pheromones; which is why the males did most if not all of the work. I wondered how Tendi controlled hers without controlling the males on the USS Cerritos?
@L.S.Stephens3 Starfleet medical could have provided a supplement similar to the nasal agent that Vulcans use.
I just love that last smile Pike gives to Boimler before he leaves. It's like: "You were an annoying problem to solve and a potential danger to space and time as we know it, but you know what, I didn't mind YOU so much as a person. You're alright kid." was communicated in that one expression.
Also I believe Pike's smile is him knowing that, in 120 years, the Federation will be in good hands with officers like Ensign Boimler.
@@zathras This. He is seeing the fruits of his labor and sacrifice (that he is already aware of) in this moment.
He gave him knowledge that he has a great legacy and is revered in the future regardless of how it turns out for him, and they both seem to like him.
I LOVE the ending! The writers KNEW we would want to see the SNW crew in animation form so instead of going through a weird nebula or some other sci-fi thingy, they thought "Everyone gets drunk and sees things in cartoon" LOL
And i love that everyone is freaking out except for Ortega, she seems to be enjoying it
@@MegaWetwilly And What about M'Benga reaction to 2D orion hurricanes with delaq...?????What the hell is in these things? I am yet laughing at it!
@@AmarashikiDCliffordtqpolyvac
He should take one to sickbay and run tests on it. The only question I have is where Dr Boyce is the CMO?
Well, Mariner was right, those orion hurricanes really do mess you up.
This implies that the crew of the Cerritos (maybe even everyone in the 24th century) is constantly trashed on alien liquor 😂😂 my new favorite headcannon
2:48
What it looks like: Jack Ransom fanboying over Una.
What it really is: Jerry O'Connell fanboying over his wife.
DANG BRO THATS I DIDNT EVEN NOTICE THAT!
Whoever thought of this crossover should get a raise!
Why? They'd have to let them out of the loonie-bin first because they had to be nuts to come up with this. I didn't say 'unsuccessful' mind you, just nuts.
That might be why they're on strike. :-S
It was actually Alex Kurtzman who came up with it.
@@skoshman1 you're making the old mistake of confusing insanity of creativity (although "let's make a crossover between two shows that are both in the same franchise" doesn't a lot of creativity; the execution does). Also crazier things happened before.
That's what they're on strike for!
I love this scene so much and love how much Boimler and Mariner were trying so hard to protect Tendi's ancestor while also using Tendi's given title to make the Orions trust them.
This resolved happily thanks to...THOSE OLD SCIENTISTS and THESE ORION SCIENTISTS working together.
and yet nothing changed....orions are still only known as pirates even when one of the lower decks friend is an orion...resolved nothing
As it was always meant to be. Timeline is safe..........for now
The Original Series!
I loved Pike's reaction when he heard them asking if they should go through!
"No!" 😂
He is definitely not ready for that much more oddball energy today.
And the way he waves at the other two, as if to say "Just get the hell out of here."
And in that moment Captain Pike leap frogged over Kirk, Archer, Picard and even Freeman in the Star Trek 'I'm the Captain and the parent' rankings
That orion captain has so much potential. Wish there are more encounters of him
The guy who played him is most well known for being the main antagonist of the video game Far Cry 5 (and it's expansion/sequel DLC). Joseph Seed.
@@bigpoppa1234 Oh no....
@@bigpoppa1234 He Also plays in the Expanse ...a martien name Lopez....small role but i liked him...wish he had more. Was happy to see him in Star Trek
@@bigpoppa1234 he finally get to play a role that isnt a villain
Maybe we’ll get to see tendi’s great grandmother too!
Mariner totally knew what she was doing when she dropped the Mistress of the Winter Constellation name in front of the Orions
too bad they didn't listen
Love that ending, "WHAT THE HELL IS IN THESE THINGS?!?"
Not as much as WHAT was said but HOW it was said. 😄
best line ever
I don't know, but it's GREEN.
It's like something Hermes Conrad from Futurama would say.
At least it wasn't *all* green.
I really do love how Boimler and Mariner have the same (or better) chemistry in this episode! The translation from animation to live action was flawless. I know it would have been gimmicky but I would've loved to see Captain Freeman or Rutherford and Tendi irl too 😍
*@blueskybelyr --* As I Replied on another Comment, some live-play translations between LD-animation would be easy; while others, far more difficult... *;)*
1.) *_Eugene Cordero_* could _easily_ live-played Samathan Rutherford. Whether they would use a physical prothesis for Rutherford's cybernetic implant (a la Jeri Ryan, aka Seven of Nine) or CG-animate it in, is debatable.
2.) *_Noel Wells_* would have be far more difficult for live-play portrayal, because while D'Vana Tendi is as animated as close to Wells in Real Life as possible, Wells is *NOT* Tendi's (animated) height and build; so what would have be a needlessly complicated (physical) portrayal issue.
3.) *_Dawnn Lewis_* live-playing Captain Carol Freeman is also more nebulous. Like [Wells &Tendi], Captain Freeman is also broadly animated as close to Lewis as possible. But like [Wells & Tendi], Lewis does not match Captain Freeman for height in terms animation vs. Real Life; though I am certain Lewis does have the same (physical) build as Captain Freeman, but definitely not the hairstyle (though that is far more solvable, of course).
@@pendrake40 None of that matters. Ransom and Shaxs are shown to be considerably taller than Boimler and Mariner, whose actors are 6'0 and 5'9 respectively. That would make half the bridge crew about 8 feet tall. Some wiggle room in canon is permitted for fun purposes.
They really do. This worked so well.
@blueskybelyr the portal thingy does weird stuff to their heights/ bodies. That's all they need to say.
The problem was the voice actors for Tendi and Rutherford look nothing like their characters lol
"My eyes feel HUGE. Do my eyes look huge?" Blink Blink
Just dying laughing.
*obsirves eyes*
@@redrasegarden
"What the hell is in these things?!"
@@hpa2005 XD
@@redrasegarden I had to :)
@@hpa2005 they do kinda look huge
The ending with the Orion’s suggest that this whole thing was a predestination paradox. Boimler was always supposed to go back.
Poor time police; They hate those. #DS9
That's certainly how you sell it to the Department of Temporal Investigations when you get home.
I believe that it was Janeway, during an episode of Voyager, who mentioned that when time is involved there are occasions where effect precedes cause.
A Closed Time Loop. They were always meant to go back to ensure that Orions got the credit for finding the portal.
1:10 I don’t know why but hearing him confirm her ancestor is indeed on his ship gives me goosebumps.
Spoilers for the end of season 4:
If they do another crossover and bring in Tendi, I'd love to see her meet her great grandmother. The poor woman will not be happy to see her family turning into the pirates she wanted to prove her people are better than.
I'm so happy they gave Babs Olusanmokun the final word on the episode, what a great hijinks episode and love letter to Trek.
I actually think it would've been great if he actually cussed but they bleeped it out like Lower Decks! 🙂
Why irs that
@@TIG5574 Doctor T'Ana would approve XD
"Well, what do you know? I finally got the last word."
Couldn't resist.
@@Potrimpo immediately what I thought of.
I can't stop rewatching this. As funny as it is, it's such a heartwarming story. All of Pikes subtle smiles for Boimler just shows how he knows things like Spock wishing Boimler to live long and prosper is something g Boimler has only dreamt of. The Enterprise crew also got so.ething from the visit, knowing they leave a positive impact on the future.
When season 1 of Lower Decks aired I immediately said that it's going to be a classic. And the more the show progresses the more I feel right about my initial statement. Very, very, well done.
Rutherford's, "They seemed nice!" gets me every time. He could see who they were, knew who they were, knew what they were like, but still didn't make any snap, on-the-spot judgements. :D Actually, it's a toss up between Rutherford, Mbenga's, "What the hell is in these things?", and Spock's calm, matter of fact, "My arm's don't normally do this!" All perfect on point for their character, all utterly on point for the scene.
This episode actually makes a great point about history that most people don't know. It's not about the past. It's about the record of the past.
"I feel like he doesn't listen." 😂 Gets me every time. Amazing episode.
"I feel like he doesn't listen." That was such a well delivered line
Funny that ransom calls una the hottest first officer in history cus jerry o'Connell (voice of ransom) is married to her in real life
Star Trek's number 1 couple.....I'll see myself out
@@bemasaberwyn55Ugh take my thumbs up
@@bemasaberwyn55take my thumbs up too😂
It adds a bit of... *ahem*, mystique to the story.
@@thegrimmretails3777 Yeah but O'Connell can just slider on in
Soooo the ending implies everyone is drunk on Orion alcohol. Got it
a unexpected discover in star trek lore but it answers so many questions about the Lower Decks series.
@@orrthehunter It's fine! You don't want to try and fly a California class Starships without a round or two in you to settle the nerves.
yep, Orion booze will have you seriously tripping balls
Ransom's reaction is funny/sweet since that's his real life wife. XD
I love how Ransom comments on Una being hot because the actress who plays her is married to Ransom’s voice actor.
The meta-humor of this episode rivals Trials and Tribble-lations.
Pike at 1:58 - he's clearly thinking "Please no more"
Also props to Babs Olusanmokun for his delivery of the "What the hell is in these things?!" line.
You know I've seen more than a few crossovers in my life, but this is arguably the best one I've ever seen.
One of the best Star Trek episodes ever made. A high bar to meet, but man the feels. I only wish we had more episodes per year.
I'm excited to show my dad this episode (he's seen a couple seasons of Lower Decks and loves Strange New Worlds), this is so friggin' cute.
What'd he think?
Lower decks appeals to me because of the ship designs I mean the California class is just so pretty I’d actually buy one if I could and cruise around
was funny how well cast these guys are in live action
It's because it's the real voice actors
Even funnier is when you realise that Ransom is voiced by the husband of Rebecca Romijn. I can picture it now: "You'd better say that line calling me hot as if you bloody well mean it, or you're sleeping with the dog tonight."
@@daviddavies3637i hadnt even thought of that lolol this is amazing
@JaidRose Yes, but often voice actors are cast for _only_ their voice, they don't actually resemble their characters.
Look through the IMBD page of a lot of animated stuff.
This was different in that the voice actors were cast as if they were playing live action, or prehaps the animators used the actors as inspiration.
@@casbot71InkSuit Actor is the trope name.
Is that the in universe reason why Lower Decks is animated?
Finally got around to watching this episode. I laughed so hard I had tears. Such a well written show. I love crossovers, especially when the writers can make fun of their own show.
This is such a starfleet way to end the conflict. Great episode, beautifully written
Great episode, and will be forever part of Trek history.
I chuckled when La'an said "It's true. It's their fault" and Pike nodded in agreement.
The best crossover since long time. I like it. 🖖
Tawny and Jack are such a national treasure
Love the SNW crew tripping balls at the end. Mariner warned them
3:12
I barely know about this show but I’m convinced this is the pure sunshine child and must be protected
This was one of the best crossovers in star trek but i may be a bit biased just because of how much i love both shows ... i really do find it amazing the way they did the animation into live action so easily that it made sense ❤❤...
Hope to see more crossovers like this in the future whatever star trek show it comes out of will most definitely love it
Not seen one episode of lower decks yet, this was really good and makes me want to watch it
Regardless of your bias, your are very much right on this, and as a person new to Startrek thanks to lower decks I can say this was definitely on hell of an episode!
I can't be the only one who wants an entire series of both live action Lower Decks and animated SNW?
"It was good to meet you, Captain." Perfectly heartfelt and genuine. THE moment of the end scene for me.
Was so hoping to see more Lower Decks characters in live-action
*@pigeonbass11 --* Right..? It would have been even more impressive. But that being said... *;)*
1.) On one hand... *_Eugene Cordero_* could have _easily_ live-played Samathan Rutherford. Whether they would use a physical prothesis for Rutherford's cybernetic implant (a la Jeri Ryan, aka Seven of Nine) or CG-animate it in, is debatable.
2.) On the other hand... *_Noel Wells_* would have been far more difficult for live-play portrayal, because while D'Vana Tendi is as animated as close to Wells in Real Life as possible, Wells is *NOT* Tendi's (animated) height and build; so what would have been a needlessly complicated (physical) portrayal issue.
@@pendrake40 Noel's hair is also pretty long, and it'd be difficult doing Tendi's short side cut. wigs can only do so much
@@Graniteheart -- That depends upon whether Noel Wells' (D'Vana Tendi) hair is Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher) level long, or if Wells is Fisher-level stubborn about said hair(s). *;)*
I _(purely speculative)_ think that if Wells height and build were close(r) enough to live-portray Tendi, that Wells probably would have (voluntarily) taken the hairstyle hit and gone with the full Tendi hairstyle-cut & -coloring, in order to bring Tendi onto the live-play screen.
And who knows..? With (relatively) successful de-aging technology from *[Captain Marvel (2019) film]* and Fantasy Dwarves from the *[Middle Earth film franchise],* we may see such live-portrayal in future LD-SNW CrossOvers... *:)*
@@pendrake40
Wells would probably need an earlier call for her makeup. All exposed flesh would need to be green unless they are going to CGI her appearance but that will be a first class pain. One thing I found out from Lucifer, is the tracking markers keep falling off, and probably uncomfortable on the face.
Woulda been so dope if they got Wells to be in live action with everyone expecting her to be Tendi…only to instead reveal that she was playing her ancestor.
I teared up when they became cartoon characters again.
A good addition to the scene would have been Noël Wells as one of the Orion Captain's crew and Boimler remarking that the resemblance was uncanny.
Well, her great-grandmother wouldn't necessarily be identical... and also I'm pretty sure she's the woman standing to the Orion captain's right next to the portal.
Boimler is going to be the best damn Admiral starfleet has ever seen. Look at this kids Arc so far..... and he's an Ensign!
I always assumed Mariner would become captain like her mom, with Boimler as her commander aka shenanigan minder.
I'm going to bet that he is going to mature some what. Remember this is 2380 who knows where he'll be in 20 years if he stays in Starfleet.
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing a live action series set in the Picard era Just so we can see where those 2 and the others do wind up
Mariner has the chops to be a captain. That's been stated over and over that everyone in her class expected her to be the 1st 1 to make it instead of Ramsey.
Her issue among others is that frankly she doesn't wanna deal with the mickey mouse BS that goes along with the job.
Remember her quote. ;" You know what ? I do get off on breaking protocol. I'm good it's always space machines exploring strange new worlds and kicking butt. Protocol is for people who need to be told what to do which I don't "
In other words mariner is Kirk like . Because everybody knows James Kirk broke protocol every damn chance he got.
The problem is You can't do that in that era of Starfleet.
@@louistaplin4665 Well, that, or she has another reason for wanting to avoid responsibility at all costs. Something that even she might not entirely understand.
Obviously they'll both be captaining their own ships in the future! From there they'll go farther into Star Trek history
1:56 "NO!" Pike is so done with time travelers.
"Because he sleeps face down like a baby!"
Lower decks has some of the best crew dialog
I just finished this episode, I haven’t watched Lower Decks but this crossover has sold me on giving it a try once SNW is done this season.
Lol I'm the opposite, this made interested in watching snw after season 4 of Ld, my only gribe with this cross over, no live action dolphin officer's
Lower Decks is wonderful. It's got a genuine, sincere love for the franchise amongst all the slapstick comedy antics - the amount of deep-cut references in its jokes is crazy.
@@philiphunn194 Definitely didn't expect to love Lower Decks as much as I did. But it's such a loving parody with a lot of heart while at the same time also being a really good Star Trek show to boot.
The love between these series is great 😊.
Just love that, no matter when, where or what species is involved, whenever 'mistress of the winter constellation' is mentioned everyone perks up in either astonishment, fear, respect or bit of everything.
Mariner and Boimler are so much more charismatic and funny in real life than in animation.
not much subtly you can convey with a line for a mouth
0:58 Now that you mention it, I would love to see what Noel Wells would look like with green Orion makeup and the same haircut as D'Vana Tendi. She is already adorable in the animation. I think D'Vana Tendi would still be adorable if Noel Wells played her in live-action. 😉
That's going to be a hellava hangover in the morning.
As a Long Term Trekkie, I loved this episode reminded me of Mud & Tribbles, the Funny side of Trek..
This episode made me really want "lower decks" in live action.
Have you ever drank alcohol so strong that you feel 2 dimensional?
Nope, but is that a thing?
@@redrasegarden I believe they call it absinthe
@@lotrofan5 interesting
“What the hell is in these things?!”
Be funny if Ransom was transported instead that way he can share scenes of him trying to hit on his actual wife
trying, then getting laid out with one punch(given that Una has displayed Vulcan level strength, if not greater)
@@Graniteheart Ransom is his own great-great-grandpa.
@@CaptainBardielRoswell That Ends Well
@@CaptainBardiel He did do the nasty in the pasty.
Does anyone else hope that there will be another crossover episode of some sort which the whole ship and crew on Lower Decks somehow gets sucked into a portal with Strange New Worlds by some sort of stupid move like a rogue Q or time traveler that also some how brings in the Jeri Ryan's Enterprise which all three ships have to work together to stop this rogue Q or some kind of time traveler?
I don't think that'll be as possible since unlike the voice actors for Boimler, Mariner, Tendi, and Rutherford, half the actors don't really look the same as their animated counterparts (mainly Shaxs and Ransom).
Well i most certainly do and considering the success this episode had im sure its very possible although it might not be done the same way in fact it would be so cool if there is a next time for it to be Reversed where the SNW crew crosses over into the LD universe ❤❤
Shame the VAs don't all match their characters. I'd love to see Shax cause mayhem in some fight with the Enterprise crew thinking "noted, all security officers in the future are fucking crazy."
Twice would be overdoing it. But a cross over with a different show would be awesome, like Prodigy.
Shame prodigy got canned :(
Aw so the plot goes full circle, that's sweet.
The four Starfleet personnel in here are all time travelers.
Also pointless observation: there's one thing I've realized, the horonium used to return back to the future is the same horonium that activated to drag Boimler to the past, meaning they had enough juice for more trips.
This 2as one if my all time favorite episodes if Star Trek. The cross over was amazing.
You can tell this probably happens in the latest season of Lower Decks, because Ransom at that point is real buddies with Boimler, if not a chummy mentor
definitely happens in the interim between seasons 3 and 4 of Lower Decks. hell, in the trailer for season 4 that was released yesterday, Mariner says to Boimler "this is nothing compared to that thing with Pike that we can't talk about."
2381 according to Boimler's stardate
To get nerdy, based on the stardate this immediately follows the episode Hear All, Trust Nothing in thr third season.
@@giftheck yep, it takes place between the visit to DS9(Hear All, Trust Nothing) and the Peanut Hamper centric episode(A Mathematically Perfect Redemption)
Goddamn I can’t believe this episode was released yesterday.
Best Episode in Season 2 so far !!!
"Cause we are time travellers...as we've been telling, I feel like he doesnt listen"
oh damn
TOS: Those old scientist
Damn thats clever
I spent the whole episode with a stupid grin on my face. 😆
I can't believe I'm going to write this, but could this crossover be an annual tradition? Like the DC crossovers but, y'know, better? I've only seen a few clips and I'm debating signing up for Paramount Plus. Too funny!
m'benga: what the hell are in these things.
😂😂❤❤
Make sense since he's a medical officer lol
This was the absolute best episode. I loved it so much.
I am STILL geeking out over this episode!
WE NEED MORE!
I'd love an episode where Tendi goes back in time and meets her great grandmother. She'd be so disappointed that her family is full of the kinds of criminals her species is stereotyped as.
Was not prepared to have such a crush on Mariner
Ironically, this episode made me want a live action lower decks series.
I want to see a fanfic about Pike's crew visiting the future and meeting the USS Cerritos
I watched this episode while working my way through SNW, and I thought that I'd better watch Lowed Decks - and it is great! 😂
Never forget that the ep ends with Pike and Crew tripping balls off Orion Hurricanes 😂
This is my favorite all-time (any series) ST episode ever.
Best.
Crossover.
EVER!
Best Crossover Episode EVER!😊😊😊
No way, these two were from Lower Decks.... And they are the actual voice actors for the animated version!!
I love the voice actors are in the show it is so cool
This episode was so much fun!
So cool seeing them in live action.
1:06 Okay, see, that ship *totally* belongs to Tendi's great-grandma. No way it doesn't. She's just letting the dude pretend to be the captain in classic Orion fashion. That might even be her standing over on his right by the portal. That's why her nickname is basically the password and from that second on the "captain" is totally 100% cooperative and even throws in some nice gifts.
That was hillarious. Wish I had Paramount. Someday!
Man this is so awesome.
This is damn trippy - as well as being a cool storyline.
The actor for Boimler was the perfect choice, but i feel like Mariner was way too tame.
Yeah, Tawny as Mariner usually sounds like she had an overdose of coffee.
Dude! He's talking about his wife! 😆
I didn't expect the SNW crew to end up animated at the end. This was my favorite episode of Lower Decks.
They should do the animated series version of Star Trek: Strange New World because Star Trek: Lower Deck is becoming successful so it wouldn't hurt to do another animated series version of Star Trek.
I could totally see Brad and Mariner being a captain / first officer combo but I can't figure out who would be better for which.
Honestly, at this point in time, I think Boimler would fit the bill of captain better. Mariner doesn't want big titles, she wouldn't want to climb the ranks as fast, but she would do it to stay besides Boimler.
But hey, things can change in future seasons!
@@ChevaliersEmeraude agreed, based on what we have already seen she should at least be a LtCmdr by now based on years of service, she may very well be the oldest Ensign in the fleet.
Brad would be better suited as Captain cause Mariner would prefer being down where the action is, so she'd probably want to be first officer due to having more leeway.
Borm as captain of science vessel but first officer mariner keeps trying to be as usual anything else
They switch whenever they get bored.
Those 02 are great duos!! Star Trek: Lower Decks & Strange New Worlds
I wish I could give a bigger thumbs up to this episode. It was so hilarious.
I wanna see more of them in later seasons. Hopefully "the cleaner" and the rest of the gang can come back