So Max is Peter Pan, the Vamps are the Lost Boys, the mom is Wendy, Michael & Sam are Michael & John. Star could be “second star to the right”. Grandpa is Captain Hook & the Frog Brothers are the Pirates.
With the invite thing, I figured there's a hierarchy that's associated with who gives the invite. Max wanted to be invited by the "man of the house," which allowed to pass tests from everyone the house at the time, guests, younger brother... however, he was staked by the Grandfather, who's the actual home owner. It's possible he outranks the invitation Max received and is thus not powerless.
I am posting this via my phone, so I cannot see other posts easily, so if someone posted this idea, my apologies. As to the invitation rules, it could be that the invitation only applies per visit. Since Max doesn't appear to have been invited in when he returns at the end. It might be that a vamp needs to be invited in each time for the rules to be thwarted.
@@thomasobrien5685 Maybe. I get the feeling that Max was insinuating that he held all of the cards when he shows up at the end. But it could be that he went in without the invite because the rest of his brood was wiped out and he couldn't afford to be cautious.
With all of the weaknesses that Vamps have, an invite making them immune makes sense why they would want to get one so badly. When the entire … tribe?, clan?, coven? (What is a group of Vamps called?). Anyway they all attack without an invite & they get beat by a group of kids. So the mystical properties of things like Holy Water don’t work with an invite.
I always assumed that Lucy had mentioned to Max how weird the kids were being. He knew he could soon be exposed. Max wanted to be invited in because the invite rendered HIM powerless. The ‘you’ in ‘it renders you powerless’ was actually meaning himself and other vampires. He doesn’t have powers, therefore no weaknesses. This also explains how the lost boys could get into the house. They can get in anywhere normally but in this universe, an invite makes you powerless.
I got to meet Tim Capello last year at Hearsecon in Denver. He was really cool and did a short set for us. He stood outside and signed autographs for quite some time. Pretty cool guy.
like the idea of the prequel. Having Vlad in it is a bit silly, but it was an early draft. The finish film could have been different. But the basic idea is good for a starting point.
My theory about the home invitation is that because Max is a pure blood vampire, and David, and the others are not, Max needs to be invited in, and David and the others don’t need that
Awesome video! The Lost Boys has been one of my favorite movies since I was a kid, so I've actually thought about some of these questions quite a bit. I always assumed that David had only been a vampire for a relatively short period of time, because the movie doesn't imply that he's turned anyone into a vampire except Michael, Star, and Laddie, which are all pretty recent. If he had been a vampire since at least 1906, why would he wait 71 years to start turning people? The group are also pretty easily killed by kids and a dog, possibly because they haven't had time to hone their powers yet like Max. It's also my personal head canon that Chris and Nicole ARE Michael and Star's children, but they (and Edgar in the comics) lie about them being dead to keep them hidden. I love the characters, and just prefer that happier timeline.
I remember reading many years back that in Lost Boys 2 the brother and sister ARE meant to be the children of Michael and Star - and the lead vampire (whose name I don't recall) was actually David's brother who wanted revenge - this is the reason why Kiefer Sutherland's real life brother was cast, for the family resemblance.
the sequels were a real mess. cause they had one director quit. brought in another one, Haim was going through major issues which everyone found out later was due to the fact as young kid a producer sexually assaulted him at a party after getting him drunk. so, his life just was going down the drain big time. there was just all sorts of problems even with the other cory. haim's end in real life was a deeply sad one. when it was revealed that his character was turned into a vampire, people hated it so much. i quit watching after the first movie. never watched the sequels. just heard the horror stories behind them. good breakdowns, bro. enjoy your vacation.
Rest in peace Grandma. I miss my Grandma too. A fun in joke in our family was her uncanny resemblance to Zelda Rubinstein and that our Grandma was Tangina's stunt double slash "voodoo consultant" on Poltergeist.
I wonder if it's literally only "you" who is powerless when invited so then if the Frog brothers or a friend did things it would work, and a vampire would show no reflection to them. Plus Muchael losing his reflection implies he isn't welcome in his own home.
19:09 I don't remember what movie it was that led me to believe this but, I have always taken it that vampires can sort of force a reflection to appear but they have to be thinking about it, it's like flexing a muscle
I'm a "Gen-Xer", and I remember the MOST popular FAN THEORY about "grandpa", that was actually of THAT time (you know, even before the internet)... Gramps was a WEREWOLF!! Remember the frog brothers mentioning a "pack of werewolves at City Hall"? Not to mention that grandpa's probably more apt to hunting all of those forest animals that he's been taxidermying (instead of people), BECAUSE he's actually a werewolf. Hell,, didn't that even look a little bit like red raw meat that he was nibbling on whilst he was spying on Micheal invite Max in?... 🤔
I assumed that the holy water, etc had no power over Max as he was older and more powerful. Perhaps with age comes power. My biggest issue is the fact that Max asked Michael, Michael was NOT the man of the house. It was Grandpa’s house.
In folklore vampires don't need an invite in. Edit: In folklore it isn't garlic that hurts/repels vampires, it's only the garlic FLOWER. The reason bulbs became popular is they look better in black and white films.
Quite a lot of elements of what we think of as vampire lore (the vulnerability to sunlight, the idea that vampires have to be invited in, the absence of a reflection in mirrors, etc.) were made up by writers like Bram Stoker and were not part of the original vampire lore. In the original lore vampires were also physically repulsive and more akin to zombies than to the predominantly sexy vampires in movies (there are of course exceptions like Count Orlok in Nosferatu).
Actually, it goes back to the ancient rules of hospitality where the host was responsible for the safety of everybody in their house Our sisters did not look kindly on anybody who violated the sanctity of hospitality The threshold of a family‘s home holds immense power
How come horror movie sequels don't like original characters having happy endings? ): I mean, hell, just say they moved away, (the 3rd) they went hiding/underground, or something. Yet. Almost always it is they die in the beginning, they died off screen, they are insane, or they are now the bad guy. >.
I'm thinking it's like demons they can enter but have weaknesses. Until you welcome them than you basically sign over your life without knowing and you ever else lives there. He probably told him he's the man because Michael in between transformation and it is his domain even know he lives with his uncle.
Re: Max and invitations Maybe the invitation is a ritual that has to be repeated. Like for all intents and purposes, Max is invited in and for the duration of that visit he has certain immunities. If he were to come back again, he'd have to be invited in again to receive those same benefits that he had before. Then we have Michael telling him "I didn't invite you this time, Max". Maybe that's a tacit revocation of his previous invitation so that he can be hurt...maybe...kinda? And we know garlic doesn't work...until it does in one of the sequels (unless Paul was trying to bluff the Frogs....annnnnd Edit. I really gotta finish the video before replying. That's a bad habit.) ...but do we know that was really holy water? I mean I could see the Frog brothers halfassing something like that even if getting holy water is easy enough like we see later. I mean they believe enough in vampires to be willing to stake someone, but they're clearly not the experts they try to play themselves off as. Anyways, another good video. I must have watched this movie a million times in the summer of 98.
It's been a while sice I watched them, but I seem to recall that garlic did do something in one of the sequel movies. And here's a question that could apply to many vamp stories including this one: What counts as holy water?
I felt the end of the Lost Boys was pretty clear that the invitation expires after the vampire leaves. So the head vampire could be killed at the end because he wasn't invited in again. If he would have been invited in at the end the stake to the heart would have had no impact on him.
There's a question that's been bugging me for years, but it wasn't addressed in rge video so I'll ask it here: at the end of the movie, how did grandpa know to come home at that exact time, and why would he randomly crash through his house's wall in the off-chance he'd kill the head vamp and save the protagonists? He could've ended up killing members of his family with his recklessness. Can he see through walls? Even if he knew there'd be vampires there that night, his family could've already been dead/turned by the time he drove through the wall - it makes NO sense! If the head vamp hadn't been staked by his actions, what was his plan going to be then?
3:43 Isn't it more like..Max took them under his 'wings' ? Just sayin. Oh I've gotta say I'm absolutely glad, after ALL these years; we finally got to see a parody of Tina Turners' sax man in the form of Peter Griffin in Family Guy. But real talk that dude is just like that dude Tony Little, just with a sax. Seriously I saw a not so long ago interview with him and he looks the SAME! Even explained how Tina was the one responsible for his bondage codpiece which he wears to this day. Can't say there aren't worse role models out there.
Anyone else catch the Lost Boys reference in the opening scene of US? Just me? C'mon there must be others. Man it's a shame they made those sequels. I try to forget about them, then CZcams pulls me back in. And they were direct to video, which back then meant your film was basically crap (unless you're Trick r' Treat).
I think garlic doesn't work because it's an anticoagulant so vampires started that rumor so people would eat it and bleed easier also my question is this is David still alive we don't see his body at the end of the movie
The powerless thing seems to render the vampire powerless. That's why his powers weren't evident, and he was powerless during the dinner tests, so they didn't affect him. Which then causes issues at the end. Bad writing... sorry guys. Still love the film!
I never thought gramps was a vampire lol, but it has me go oh yeah? Now, I mean I'm usually observant but that slipped under me, lost boys and fright night always flip flop as my fave vamp films I grew up on them. As for rules not applying to twilight don't regard them sparkly twits as vampires lol
I always figured Gramps was a werewolf. Would explain all the critters he taxidermies.
I like that
So Max is Peter Pan, the Vamps are the Lost Boys, the mom is Wendy, Michael & Sam are Michael & John. Star could be “second star to the right”. Grandpa is Captain Hook & the Frog Brothers are the Pirates.
I love the Lost Boys. One of my all time favorites!
Surprise surprise a remake is coming out.
With the invite thing, I figured there's a hierarchy that's associated with who gives the invite. Max wanted to be invited by the "man of the house," which allowed to pass tests from everyone the house at the time, guests, younger brother... however, he was staked by the Grandfather, who's the actual home owner. It's possible he outranks the invitation Max received and is thus not powerless.
The twist with the grandfather was amazing.
I am posting this via my phone, so I cannot see other posts easily, so if someone posted this idea, my apologies. As to the invitation rules, it could be that the invitation only applies per visit. Since Max doesn't appear to have been invited in when he returns at the end. It might be that a vamp needs to be invited in each time for the rules to be thwarted.
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I like that theory.
@@anubusx The one thing I never could stand about living in Santa Carla... all the goddamn vampires. :D
@@thomasobrien5685 Maybe. I get the feeling that Max was insinuating that he held all of the cards when he shows up at the end. But it could be that he went in without the invite because the rest of his brood was wiped out and he couldn't afford to be cautious.
Michael's sunglasses never had silver on them.
Mandela Effect.
Thanks for pointing that out, new one for me. So freaking unreal.
With all of the weaknesses that Vamps have, an invite making them immune makes sense why they would want to get one so badly. When the entire … tribe?, clan?, coven? (What is a group of Vamps called?). Anyway they all attack without an invite & they get beat by a group of kids. So the mystical properties of things like Holy Water don’t work with an invite.
Coven or Nest.. also a Siege could be used maybe? Spitballing
I always assumed that Lucy had mentioned to Max how weird the kids were being. He knew he could soon be exposed.
Max wanted to be invited in because the invite rendered HIM powerless. The ‘you’ in ‘it renders you powerless’ was actually meaning himself and other vampires. He doesn’t have powers, therefore no weaknesses.
This also explains how the lost boys could get into the house. They can get in anywhere normally but in this universe, an invite makes you powerless.
Maybe then, garlic actually doesn’t work in this universe either. and Max actually does like garlic.
I got to meet Tim Capello last year at Hearsecon in Denver. He was really cool and did a short set for us. He stood outside and signed autographs for quite some time. Pretty cool guy.
like the idea of the prequel. Having Vlad in it is a bit silly, but it was an early draft. The finish film could have been different. But the basic idea is good for a starting point.
I always loved the mystery and vagueness of it, and that we never got a clear answer with the full movie. That... and Davids mullet hawk, top tier.
Right on time , and I love this channel
My theory about the home invitation is that because Max is a pure blood vampire, and David, and the others are not, Max needs to be invited in, and David and the others don’t need that
That makes sense.
Thanks for the vid man, they always make the day better :)
Laddie's jacket is an old timey bell hop jacket. He probably found it in the hotel.
That’s a really good catch
In the Underworld movies the vampires not only have reflections but they don't need an invite they could just barge right in if they wanted to
Awesome video! The Lost Boys has been one of my favorite movies since I was a kid, so I've actually thought about some of these questions quite a bit.
I always assumed that David had only been a vampire for a relatively short period of time, because the movie doesn't imply that he's turned anyone into a vampire except Michael, Star, and Laddie, which are all pretty recent. If he had been a vampire since at least 1906, why would he wait 71 years to start turning people? The group are also pretty easily killed by kids and a dog, possibly because they haven't had time to hone their powers yet like Max.
It's also my personal head canon that Chris and Nicole ARE Michael and Star's children, but they (and Edgar in the comics) lie about them being dead to keep them hidden. I love the characters, and just prefer that happier timeline.
I remember reading many years back that in Lost Boys 2 the brother and sister ARE meant to be the children of Michael and Star - and the lead vampire (whose name I don't recall) was actually David's brother who wanted revenge - this is the reason why Kiefer Sutherland's real life brother was cast, for the family resemblance.
These were very good answers and I love the story detail you give to these answers.
Wow I never thought of these. Great vid
Grandpa is a professional vampire hunter.
the sequels were a real mess. cause they had one director quit. brought in another one, Haim was going through major issues which everyone found out later was due to the fact as young kid a producer sexually assaulted him at a party after getting him drunk. so, his life just was going down the drain big time. there was just all sorts of problems even with the other cory. haim's end in real life was a deeply sad one. when it was revealed that his character was turned into a vampire, people hated it so much. i quit watching after the first movie. never watched the sequels. just heard the horror stories behind them. good breakdowns, bro. enjoy your vacation.
great video 💯
Don't forget, Grandpa also has Peanut Butter Boppers on his special refrigerator shelf. I really miss those.
As a kid growing up sometimes Boppers were a little too pricey for weekly groceries. The one time my parents got em, I was so happy!
Rest in peace Grandma. I miss my Grandma too. A fun in joke in our family was her uncanny resemblance to Zelda Rubinstein and that our Grandma was Tangina's stunt double slash "voodoo consultant" on Poltergeist.
I never thought grandpa was the head vampire that must have went over my heqd
I wonder if it's literally only "you" who is powerless when invited so then if the Frog brothers or a friend did things it would work, and a vampire would show no reflection to them. Plus Muchael losing his reflection implies he isn't welcome in his own home.
My biggest question is why is Corey Feldman doing a Batman Voice in the sequel lol.
lol!!!
19:09 I don't remember what movie it was that led me to believe this but, I have always taken it that vampires can sort of force a reflection to appear but they have to be thinking about it, it's like flexing a muscle
I'm a "Gen-Xer", and I remember the MOST popular FAN THEORY about "grandpa", that was actually of THAT time (you know, even before the internet)...
Gramps was a WEREWOLF!!
Remember the frog brothers mentioning a "pack of werewolves at City Hall"?
Not to mention that grandpa's probably more apt to hunting all of those forest animals that he's been taxidermying (instead of people), BECAUSE he's actually a werewolf. Hell,, didn't that even look a little bit like red raw meat that he was nibbling on whilst he was spying on Micheal invite Max in?... 🤔
I assumed that the holy water, etc had no power over Max as he was older and more powerful. Perhaps with age comes power. My biggest issue is the fact that Max asked Michael, Michael was NOT the man of the house. It was Grandpa’s house.
In folklore vampires don't need an invite in.
Edit: In folklore it isn't garlic that hurts/repels vampires, it's only the garlic FLOWER. The reason bulbs became popular is they look better in black and white films.
Tina Turner’s sax player, icon.
I like the idea that Grandpa was a werewolf
Quite a lot of elements of what we think of as vampire lore (the vulnerability to sunlight, the idea that vampires have to be invited in, the absence of a reflection in mirrors, etc.) were made up by writers like Bram Stoker and were not part of the original vampire lore. In the original lore vampires were also physically repulsive and more akin to zombies than to the predominantly sexy vampires in movies (there are of course exceptions like Count Orlok in Nosferatu).
12:24 Michael was turned by david. Invitations are pedestrian at this point
Actually, it goes back to the ancient rules of hospitality where the host was responsible for the safety of everybody in their house
Our sisters did not look kindly on anybody who violated the sanctity of hospitality
The threshold of a family‘s home holds immense power
Goonies in the video store, makes me think of Last Action Hero. If they watched it in this world, Mouth would be played by another actor.
When Max dies they explicitly state he isn’t currently protected by invitation: “I didn’t invite you this time Max”.
How come horror movie sequels don't like original characters having happy endings? ): I mean, hell, just say they moved away, (the 3rd) they went hiding/underground, or something. Yet. Almost always it is they die in the beginning, they died off screen, they are insane, or they are now the bad guy. >.
I'm thinking it's like demons they can enter but have weaknesses. Until you welcome them than you basically sign over your life without knowing and you ever else lives there. He probably told him he's the man because Michael in between transformation and it is his domain even know he lives with his uncle.
Re: Max and invitations
Maybe the invitation is a ritual that has to be repeated. Like for all intents and purposes, Max is invited in and for the duration of that visit he has certain immunities. If he were to come back again, he'd have to be invited in again to receive those same benefits that he had before.
Then we have Michael telling him "I didn't invite you this time, Max". Maybe that's a tacit revocation of his previous invitation so that he can be hurt...maybe...kinda?
And we know garlic doesn't work...until it does in one of the sequels (unless Paul was trying to bluff the Frogs....annnnnd Edit. I really gotta finish the video before replying. That's a bad habit.) ...but do we know that was really holy water? I mean I could see the Frog brothers halfassing something like that even if getting holy water is easy enough like we see later. I mean they believe enough in vampires to be willing to stake someone, but they're clearly not the experts they try to play themselves off as.
Anyways, another good video. I must have watched this movie a million times in the summer of 98.
worms and maggots don't come with garlic.
In the terms of service of renting a video it free access to all of their homes
Most Chinese food doesn't have garlic, it has star anisse which is aniseed
chinese food definitely has garlic. the staple of every chinese kitchen is GGG : Ginger, Garlic, and Green Onion.
@@movietimelines not the actual Chinese recipes I have or buy but England is different to America 👍
I had a Lost Boys poster on my wall but unfortunately one of my mom's liquid sense things stand it really bad
It's been a while sice I watched them, but I seem to recall that garlic did do something in one of the sequel movies.
And here's a question that could apply to many vamp stories including this one: What counts as holy water?
Once Maxx was invited, they were invited.
I felt the end of the Lost Boys was pretty clear that the invitation expires after the vampire leaves. So the head vampire could be killed at the end because he wasn't invited in again. If he would have been invited in at the end the stake to the heart would have had no impact on him.
The Lost Girls is something that would get released today.
There is a series called Lost Girl
There's a question that's been bugging me for years, but it wasn't addressed in rge video so I'll ask it here: at the end of the movie, how did grandpa know to come home at that exact time, and why would he randomly crash through his house's wall in the off-chance he'd kill the head vamp and save the protagonists? He could've ended up killing members of his family with his recklessness. Can he see through walls? Even if he knew there'd be vampires there that night, his family could've already been dead/turned by the time he drove through the wall - it makes NO sense! If the head vamp hadn't been staked by his actions, what was his plan going to be then?
Max looks like one of my high school teachers.
The Supernatural episode The Magnificent Seven was clearly inspired by this film.
Please do an Omen episode.
Never once thought of Grandpa, im not stupid
3:43 Isn't it more like..Max took them under his 'wings' ? Just sayin. Oh I've gotta say I'm absolutely glad, after ALL these years; we finally got to see a parody of Tina Turners' sax man in the form of Peter Griffin in Family Guy. But real talk that dude is just like that dude Tony Little, just with a sax. Seriously I saw a not so long ago interview with him and he looks the SAME! Even explained how Tina was the one responsible for his bondage codpiece which he wears to this day. Can't say there aren't worse role models out there.
Chick is 17 it says so.
Max never refers to the vanpires as his sons. He calls them his boys
Did we ever find them?
It had to be Max or Michael wouldn’t have turned human
Anyone else catch the Lost Boys reference in the opening scene of US? Just me? C'mon there must be others. Man it's a shame they made those sequels. I try to forget about them, then CZcams pulls me back in. And they were direct to video, which back then meant your film was basically crap (unless you're Trick r' Treat).
I think garlic doesn't work because it's an anticoagulant so vampires started that rumor so people would eat it and bleed easier also my question is this is David still alive we don't see his body at the end of the movie
Why were vampires even eating Chinese food in the first place... 🤔
Do unanswered questions about charmed. the original one
Sax man 🎷
Got to hurt a little bit to know that you botched the sergeant pepper quote
Sucks that the movie didn't happen because it would have been interesting to watch
The powerless thing seems to render the vampire powerless. That's why his powers weren't evident, and he was powerless during the dinner tests, so they didn't affect him. Which then causes issues at the end. Bad writing... sorry guys. Still love the film!
I never thought gramps was a vampire lol, but it has me go oh yeah? Now, I mean I'm usually observant but that slipped under me, lost boys and fright night always flip flop as my fave vamp films I grew up on them. As for rules not applying to twilight don't regard them sparkly twits as vampires lol
Are you whats his names son? He has a youtube channel