Charles In Charge: God Save the King with Douglas Murray | GoodFellows
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- Does the Shakespearean adage “uneasy lies the head that wears a crown” still apply to today’s United Kingdom? British author and journalist Douglas Murray joins Hoover senior fellows Niall Ferguson, H.R. McMaster, and John Cochrane to discuss King Charles III’s coronation and the monarch’s relevancy in modern times, plus the fragile state of the West given unbalanced alliances, threats to free markets, and strained social fabrics. But before that: the three “Goodfellows” remember the recently deceased John Raisian, director of the Hoover Institution from 1990 to 2015.
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GoodFellows, a weekly Hoover Institution broadcast, features senior fellows John Cochrane, Niall Ferguson, and H.R. McMaster discussing the social, economic, and geostrategic ramifications of this changed world. They can’t banter over lunch these days, but they continue their spirited conversation online about what comes next, as we look forward to an end to the crisis.
For more on this series visit, www.hoover.org/goodfellows.
0:00 Introduction
0:46 Guest Introduction: Douglas Murray
1:10 Remembering John Raisian, former Hoover Institution Director
5:06 Coronation of King Charles III
10:07 The Monarchy as an Institution and King Charles III as Monarch
18:48 Monarchies and the fascination with dynasties
21:15 Exploring the viability of the West
34:56 The War on the West by Douglas Murray: exploring “Cultural Ingratitude” and “Societies of Resentment”
53:07 Lightning Round
1:03:35 End
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For God's sake, don't cry when extolling the virtues of Stoicism! Best line ever.
Great to see Douglas in the house.
Very well put Mr. Murray at the end, always great with your words, thank you sir.
I'm an 81-year-old lady who lives in the 'wilds' of western Canada, who found your show as it emerged on CZcams. I don't think I've missed an episode. My goal then was to widen my perspective on 'republican' views. In this search, I came across the Hoover Institution, and there you were. You've opened a window on the world that never fails to entertain, inform and delight. Thank you for providing this service with your collective wisdom and that of your guests. Please know that your efforts are appreciated in unexpected places.
Absolutely LOVED this episode! Everyone was brilliant and Douglas Murray is a treasure. Thanks to all.
Douglas Murray is most brilliant. Thank you for including Douglas!
H.R. McMaster had some deep cuts with the Funkadelic quotes
@@bobbinsthethird H.R. quoting George Clinton was something I wasn't at all prepared for. And I loved it. "America Eats It's Young" os a tragically overlooked album, btw.
He talks about victimization, but he just victimized himself. 😂😂😂😂
Minorities only want to be respected! Get used to it!
(Of course there are exaggerations, but it's much more comprehensible than this whining coming from these old guys)
HR? You are a national treasure. We can all be united her in the US with a guy like you around. God bless optimists and kind-hearted folk like HR. You give us Americans a good look!
Douglas Murray is one of the greatest journalists of our time.
journalists
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Great to see Douglas with the Goodfellows!
A Douglas Murray rant against the woke idiocy... It always brings my blood pressure down after having been built up for too many months.
I view the woke stuff as the natural reaction to historical racism, misogony and bigotry, BLM for example is trying to fix your American race problems, albeit very poorly, but then again the Republicans and Conservatives are acting racist, just look at America First. The more you fight the woke with racism, the more wokeness you get.
Douglas and Niall on the same call, it’s all too wonderful.
I am just about breathless. This is about the best "TV" I've watched. The way Douglas summed up the sad state of affairs in the US academy just about brought me to tears and it almost looked like he had the same effect on the Goodfellows with his rare eloquence. What a privilege to hear the thoughts from the hearts and minds of these speakers.
TV is dead, long live CZcams :)
Douglas would be an excellent fill-in for Tucker
Thank you for mentioning John Raisian- I worked with him when I was a grad student at UCLA- what a gentleman. Truly a loss for Hoover.
This is why i save every single episode of discussion presented by these esteem gentlemen. Pure brilliance!!! Only wish they could take their task to the UK too. Im not british, but very much apart of the Commonwealth.
Love Douglas. Brilliant man with oodles of common sense. We're very fortunate he's helping us think better here in the USA...
This is a really sad thing to read. Please look more into this repulsive man.
As a heterosexual female I love you Douglas Murray. I love your intelligence and you are quite scrumptious and handsome. I am sure women around the world are in floods of tears😭😭😭!!! I try to watch every one of your CZcams appearances. I have read all your books. I read your articles in The Spectator. My husband is very tolerant of my crush on you.
I’m no intellectual by any means, but I love this podcast. It makes me feel like I have some insight on this complicated world. I agree with all three at times and disagree, really a great mix. Please keep it going and don’t get too big for your britches
I'm the same, and this was a particularly interesting episode. The goodfellows make me think and learn (a bit)
Considering that HR probably had a lot to do with developing Ukraine's war strategy for the last year, these people have some pretty big britches already. To his credit, he's still really down-to-earth with his friends here, and to his greater credit he also seeks out honest and wise critics like Victor Davis Hanson, even though that criticism makes him uncomfortable.
Breeches
How about getting Christopher Caldwell on the program to discuss how the 'Civil Rights constitution' of the last 60 years has contributed to the political and cultural divisions that threaten the cohesion of our country today and in the future?
Being half-British (by my mother who was Welsh) she would tell me the importance of being an American, yet would teach me about heritage, history and tradition. She loved the monarchy even after she became a US citizen in 1974. Never understood until I got well into my forties. People would ask if she was "from England" and she would smile and say "Im British" . Never calling herself English but respectful enough to Americans who probably didnt know where Wales was :-)
You guys continue to outdo yourselves. Highest marks. Murray is fantastic and I'm a Murray convert now
I must say the Power Law chart Niall Ferguson showed us was shocking in that it did not, and judging by the caveats it could not, include Poland. Poland has given Ukraine the Soviet era tanks and aircrafts that the Ukrainian army is already trained to use. By doing so they kept the Ukrainian army in the fight. The same is true for other former Soviet European countries. You cannot easily measure such contributions financially, but it is a critical factor.
Even without those caveats the United States would doubtless still be the biggest contributor with the UK possibly in second place but Poland could take its rightful place at the top as well. Why use such caveats when they diminish rightful credit to an ally?
I am not Polish nor am I paid by Poland, its princes nor its politicians.
Yes, I found that chart strange too. Surely along with Poland, Germany and the Netherlands should be on it too. It looks like there are more bars than there are names of countries down the left side… I wonder why they would do that?
Truth to the forefront, well said. Thank you.
The chart is wrong of course. What it looks like is an extract from the Kiel Ukraine Support Tracker (which everybody uses). The 2nd bar would be the European Union but the name label is missing. That then explains why Germany and Poland are not shown separately. However, the presentation is inconsistent because small EU states such as Sweden and Denmark *are* shown. So, zero marks to Niall Ferguson for this chart which embeds several errors and inconsistencies.
Rest in Peace John Raisian
Such a lift to see that another of these wonderful discussions has been posted. Thank you, gentlemen, and to your excellent guest. And RIP John Raisian. Thank you for all of your hard work that made this possible.
I just discovered these podcasts and I'm in love Hats off to each one of the Goodfellas and guests. Insightful and engaging.
Another excellent discussion. There are great minds still working for the good.
Great points made by Douglas and the goodfellows. The show continues to be on my Must watch list every episode for the high quality of the conversation and guests. 👍
Of all the things I've heard lately that I was glad I was sitting down for, H.R. McMaster not only quoting George Clinton, but some of my favorite lines from one of my favorite Funkadelic albums, absolutely takes the cake.
Thank you once again, gentlemen, for an hour very well-spent, and in which I've left a little more educated than when I entered.
Douglas Murray? What a pleasant surprise! He's been on a mission to save the Western world longer than most, even Jordan Peterson.
The way to fix the next generation (i.e. my generation): make analysing these discussions between educated, well-meaning men and women a mandatory part of the school curriculum.
Douglas deserves to be in this group ❤
Excellent, gentlemen. Thank you all. 🙏
Love the provocateur!! Great addition.
Great show thanks. It's surprising that when handicapping Biden's age vs. Trump's character you gave no thought to Biden's character or Trump's age.
I love all the great media sources my regular Douglas Murray searches bring me to. Brilliant discussion.
Oh great just in time for my hike!
Thankyou all..Douglas Murray as your guest has an eloquent manner that is always well received..
Those two statememts for 5th graders was SO APPAULING.
Disappointed to hear Niall boost Tony Blair ! W T F ?
I agree. Blair is a globalist authoritarian that ruined Britain -- especially his immigration policy.
Iraq and his light touch approach to banking were terrible mistakes and not exactly insignificant, but he also did some great things, both nationally and internationally. I think after the last disastrous 13 years of decline, people are starting to look back on the New Labour years with a new found appreciation.
In 1992 the Thai king intervened to stop a civil war. He summoned the leaders of both parties and told them off on TV, this led to the transition from military dictatorship to democracy.
There have been about a million coups since then, in thailand, that were not treated that way
What are you arguing for?
@@Max0Effect nothing, I'm just saying
DM is a force for good. One of the great observers and thinkers of our time.
Also one of the most eloquent. It was to notice here how some of his more ascerbic comments were picked up a bit late by the Americans on the panel ..!
Excellent discussion, guys. Wish I'd taken running notes, but I was too busy trying to schlep my little camp stove to replace the propane so I could make a cup of coffee to survive another day.
Thank you for sharing.
Excellent show. Thanks.
The answer to Murrays's question "why does only America have a founding sin?" is so obvious I'm surprised and disappointed he needs to ask. Because America is always so keen to present itself as pure and good beyond the reach of other nations: that's why.
I hope that was just Niall quoting Peggy Noonan, not himself feeling RFK Jr is ‘off his rocker’ . Cause he isn’t.
So good! As per usual! Thank you!
Particularly great episode: DM & NF on one program! GF is superb media. You can hear HR on YT too (from Hoover) - but not the Grumpy Economist?😢
Saying it is up to the Ukrainians is, I believe, a coded way of saying that the Ukrainians are what Teddy Roosevelt called “the man in the arena “ who has the direct power to take matters into his own hands. That’s what Zelenski did at the start: exercise that prerogative when he asked for ammunition. Now the men and women in the arena are fighting fully motivated and the Russians are dying. It is not too much to say that they hold history in their own hands and the West is kibitzing, but also sending lots of nice weaponry and training. If the Ukrainians can permanently cut the land bridge to Crimea, I think they can inflict a decisive defeat on Russia, even it takes some time to starve them out of the peninsula.
The West/ NeoCons/ Victoria Nuland should never ever of backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 9 bloody years ago. 14,000 people died BEFORE the invasion. The Russian civilians in the Dombas have been shelled by ruthless Azov for years. Where have you been?
Let the oppressed Russian ethnic East brake away. The burning alive of Russian civilians at ODESSA destroyed Ukraine for many ethnic Russians. Freedom and Independence for the Dombas.
The NeoCons destroyed Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan and will end up destroying Ukraine.
We need negotiations ASP.
"I hope the Monarchy continues to unite people in the UK."
Somebody hasn't been paying attention... UK is one of the most divided country in the west. Good chance it breaks up in our lifetime.
Great tirade from Douglas Murray! I also found Nietzsche's psychology of resentment very relevant to the present day celebration of victimhood.
God Bless you John. Thank you for "Doing the Right Thing".
Thank you for the analysis.
God Save The King! Long to Reign Over Us!
Thank-you for the thought provoking presentation. As always a fun time.
The two Brits here show their intellectual mettle more than the two US gentlemen, whether you agree with their points or not...
Coleman Hughes will be a great guest.
Good conversation, thanks.
Would be interesting to hear Professor Ferguson explain, to those of us less perceptive than he, how he arrives at the conclusion that RFK Jr is "obviously off his rocker".
Editing to add: How could all these intelligent people seemingly be oblivious to the role of the US in provoking the war in Ukraine?
Right you are: The Fellows' continued parroting of the Washington 'party line' on Ukraine -- in which 'we' are the good guys and it's up to 'us' to make sure Ukraine wins -- has begun to put me off this podcast, whose weekly appearance I used to await eagerly. McMaster in particular flogs this standpoint, though he at least has served his country. Too many intellectuals and other public figures have no compunction about waging war as long as others are doing the dirty work. Will Ferguson's young children, the product of a 'rootless cosmopolitan' union between an Anglo-Scotsman and a Somali-born Dutchwoman who've both been given American citizenship, even consider military service as an option? I wouldn't hold my breath.
Good point. Even those of us with western, liberal background cannot fail to see how the UK and USA have been doing dirty politics for years...look at the Chagos Islands, for example...
Insightful
A great episode! The war on the West will fail because the West has the ability to reinvent itself.
Murray makes me wanna march!
fun fact: the English anthem "god save the king" is a french music written to celebrate the recovery of the king of france Louis XIV.
later it will be translated into English and adopted as a symbolic anthem
Draft HR McMaster for prez in 2024!!!
Charles is so right.
Let's be a hero rather than a dull envious victim.
Brilliant, but it makes me sad, as I don't see how we reverse this circling of the drain of western society.
Getting Funkdafied with HR McMaster is the highlight of my week😂 free your mind and your ass will follow baby
Neocons Swinging
That's right. The bus leaves town everyday. Personal responsibility is absent in society's new generations with some old folks encouraging that mentality.
49:55 Well, if the President of United States an old Irish Catholic man doesn't know what a woman is, what can you expect for the rest of the nation?
48:44 Probably the most important thing mentioned in the talk (among a lot of important things). This is something I have encountered in many parts of the developed world (not just North America or Europe), is that many in the younger generation do not appreciate what is available to them. There is no society that is 100% fair but having opportunities available and simply living a comparatively better environment is something that the developed world offers and is lost on them.
Be VERY careful, Douglas is one of those people who listens carefully enough that if you address four people and refer to only three of them as "the most intelligent people I know", that will give him pause. He's also gracious enough _not_ to take offense if none is meant, but he is likely to be quietly disappointed in the level of discourse because of it.
I really need to watch this when my wife is done using my phone ha ha oh well
For people on or close to the breadline an increase in social security makes a huge difference. After miserable years surviving on £90 a week my friend now gets double that - £180 per week as an old age pensioner - not a king's ransom but it has made a huge difference and it is unconditional - she no longer has to fight her way through a cruel and stupid in work benefits system just to be able to buy groceries. And she has always worked.
Rory Stewart has a charity called Just Giving because he has discovered that in places like Africa if you just give people money in their hand it actually does more good than all the aid agencies combined - the benefits to the family are instant and life changing. And most people ARE grateful. All they need is a little common sense help and support to get back on their feet really.
The massive grievance industry is the exclusive domain of a very privileged elite mainly in academia.
The poor do not turn their noses up at help. They are grateful.
This is not true across the board. A sense of entitlement afflicts us all in the rich West from the top to the bottom of society. Thankfully there are still people around who are not totally moved by self-centredness. I think we are facing moral collapse in the West. However the vacuum that results has been filled with new morals which will turn out to be more oppressive than the most extreme Victorian moralists.
Robert Kennedy Jr. is a contender. I see him as a rocker, not off his.
Good to see Niall ageing well - he's married to the most beautiful person inside & out.
The Southern Poverty Law Centre - a very well funded, and overtly racist organization - is one of the best arguments against free speech.
I think you meant for, not that I am agreeing or disagreeing on the splc, I just don't think you would watch this show if you opposed free speech
Why because they simply highlight what fascists openly say?
Fantastic conversation gentleman!!
Well said JR @16:00
Run HR RUN !!!!!!!!!!
Niall saying Kennedy is off his rocker makes me discount everything else he says.
The conversation over Charles was so superficial and trite. Niall Ferguson way off again. There is a real issue over the oath and also with his affiliation with the World Economic Forum and Net Zero meddling. Implications too of Welby having been ejected from GAFCON for his rejection of Scripture. Bearing in mind Douglas's points on woke-ism and now Charles supports Manchester University investigation into the Monarchy's links to slavery. There were obvious links to be made about Charles, the Coronation and Douglas's rant at the end.
"There should be lots of ermine"
Provided the budget is posted and seen to be paid for by the royals out of their own private purses, with enough detail to satisfy the most traditional Scotsman. Even Americans love British royalty, if we don't have to foot the bill.
Sorry to hear about John, my sympathies.
Facing the sins and hypocrisy of the past can be a force for good when it is balanced by recognizing and celebrating our many virtues as well.
great
Teach the students about that great Anglo Irish man Edmund Burke.
Appreciate Niall's definition of dual-citizenship and dual nationalities
Name a period like this? 70's? Not sure.
In Sweden we had a law with some horrible outsiights to force gender ideology into all other fields of research. During the years universities and institutions are full of people working to make the world a better place while actually installing a communist regime. Later repealed but the idea is heavily pushed everywhere.
Ordinance (1997:61) on a secretariat for gender research
SFS 2000:611
Ministry/authority: Ministry of Education
Issued: 1997-02-13
Changed: up to SFS 2000:611
Repealed: 2010-01-01
The constitution has been repealed by: SFS 2009:1574
Change register: SFSR (Government Office)
Source: Full text (Government Office)
Introductory regulations
§ 1 At the University of Gothenburg there is a secretariat for gender research. The secretariat is such an establishment for special tasks as referred to in ch. 3. Section 8 of the Higher Education Ordinance (1993:100). Ordinance (1998:1013).
Tasks
Section 2 The Secretariat shall, with a nationwide perspective, promote gender research in the broadest sense and work to ensure that the importance of a gender perspective is recognized in all research.
This must be done through investigative work, opinion formation and information dissemination as well as in the other ways that the secretariat deems appropriate. The secretariat's duties include, among other things, to
- overview gender research in Sweden and actively promote the dissemination of its results,
- analyze the need for gender research in all scientific fields, and
- work for an increased awareness of the importance of gender research and the gender perspective.
Organisation
§ 3 The secretariat is led by a board consisting of a chairman and six other members. All are appointed by the government. One of the members is appointed following a proposal by the University of Gothenburg.
Section 4 Under the board, the secretariat is led by a director appointed by the board.
The board's duties
Section 5 The secretariat's board shall decide on matters relating to the planning of the secretariat's activities. The board must also decide on budgeting and use of the funds allocated for the secretariat's activities or otherwise made available to the secretariat.
Accounting
§ 6 The secretariat's activities must be reported separately in the report that the University of Gothenburg submits to the government in accordance with the regulation (2000:605) on annual reports and budget documents. Ordinance (2000:611).
Yes, if anything Britain and the us may be the bastions against gender idealogues, as we have not just surrender to, it like look at the bud light boycott, astounding
We have yet to see how much damage to the UK that Blair did. He saw racial tensions in the US and thought, we could do with some of that. He decided to entirely change racial demographics beyond all recognition in contradiction to the will of the UK population. Having ended the scourge of PIRA terrorism (by giving them everything they wanted it was not impossible to give) he decided we could do with some Islamist terrorism. He decided to invite in both Pakistani Muslims (who were largely Deobandi (an anti-British radical Islamist sect).and Indian(s who also have a victimhood culture and hate the UK) Hindus, to see if they decide to have a re run of '47 on our streets. Cameron, declared himself the heir to Blair, and with Hyper Immigration said, hold my beer.
Labour or Tory doesn't matter.
These people support mass migration for wider agenda to cause civil unrest.
Likes of Douglas Murray and Niall are part of the cabal that support division at home, war abroad and endless ar$€ kissing for Israel
Tourism fail not to go full coronation. If you can downgrade a coronation then you can downgrade the rest of the institution.
Please explain "entirely artificial brinksmanship." Is there a better way to negotiate the budget?
Very good as always 💯🙏🏼
"If I need an ambulance what number should I call?"
"There's no ambulances."
"Sound mate nice one."
24:15 The slide is screwed up. The countries don't line up with the bars, and where is Poland?
Losing Taiwan is like losing Vietnam?!?! Who is the leader in semi-conductors? Who warned the world in Nov 2019 about covid and were subsequently ignored because it was just Taiwan?
Kennedy "off his rocker" and no Poland on the list, tsk tsk tsk Hoover / Niall, shortsighted again.
25:47 The US' decline might be us currently circling the drain as the Federal debt interest payments are greater than total US military spending and no one thinks increasing the labor force participation rate and economic % growth is important.
... In 1968 the US was fighting war and facing Rebel Commies in every region plus had debt payments. It honestly made people wonder if safe to invest in US stocks.. Now no big war can hurt US trade lanes or land, and as % with just 3% defence spending not 8% like 1982 or 10% in 1968. So now is pretty easy to get thru.... Debt payments yes might equal 3%, but come on we wasted like in 1968 far more...... Trump realized this, if can borrow at 2% interest hell yeah do so and avoid need to tax business and poor, at 2% frugality is sorta dumb. We pay 2% since world knows EU and China are worst bets, , , , ,... World is tricky, cant just assume what works on small scale is needed for big scale, US can waste money at this rate forever....
Before beginning, I do hope someone on the panel will be channeling Thomas Paine in this conversation... let it be the yank.
The people have not heard of Neche the British Royal Family remind them not to fall into victimhood
"Is Charles the best man for the job?"
Well, considering that he is the rightful heir, something alarming (or at least unsettling) would have to happen for him not to be the one getting crowned.
I completely agree with what they said: The hereditary monarchy is a lottery.
You can read the transcript. 5:56
the high moral road. what is the "right" thing to do; do the right thing. Always! the light; the shining star of hope; the good in the world. that, is the queen mothers legacy. i hope it has been passed on.