Why Hollywood Can’t Ignore Its Consent Problem Any Longer
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- Sex is out at the movies, and family-friendly superheroes are in. That’s partly because sex no longer sells, but also because the way audiences feel about movie intimacy has changed, too. It’s way more difficult to separate the art from the artist, because the context we now have makes us more aware of and concerned with the way actors are treated. In this context, more and more people are coming to the realization that acting doesn’t have to mean doing sex scenes, and definitely that actors shouldn’t be made to feel uncomfortable or exploited at work.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Hollywood needs to address its consent problem
01:19 A history of censorship... and oversaturation
04:06 Actors' rights are the most important
05:46 A puritanical backlash to intimacy
08:21 How to strike the right balance
CREDITS
Executive Producers: Debra Minoff & Susannah Mccullough
Chief Creative Director: Susannah Mccullough
Associate Producer: Tyler Browner
Writer: Ellie Slee
Narrator: Alani Waters
Video Editor: John Clark - Zábava
WATCH MORE - How did Hollywood become... sexless? Here's our take on the lack of chemistry between today's top stars, and the puritanical movement in blockbuster films: czcams.com/video/XFIE-idkoGQ/video.html
Why did you bleep the word rape?
Might also have to do with the prevalence and low cost/free nature of pornography today.
Titillation pales in comparison with the readily available hardcore you can watch in a moment on any pocket portable device.
@@jcspoon573 Porn has been readily available for 20 years.
@@Chris-rg6nm In your pocket? Porn has been around for millennia. But it hasn't been at the click of a finger, with such clarity, such variety, at no cost for anything close to 20 years.
The take, could you do the trope on premenopausal women and also gen x? So many videos on gen z, millienals and even boomers. I know we are the forgotten gen but seriously we deserve at least one video!!!!
I think people are getting tired of sex and nudity purely for shock value and no real ties to the story, as well as not wanting to be a part of someone getting exploited or coerced. That doesn't mean no sex scenes, it just means relevant sex scenes with willing participants
And sex scenes that are actually sexy. And diverse in terms of sexuality presented. I'd love more queerness in all it's glory instead of the sane tired, missionary heterosexuality
Relevant How, Relevant When and Relevant Why.
@@kari_illama_epdi frankly, that’s up to the audience. It’s no secret that we live in a time where sex is viewed as a bit tired and cheap. Where in the 70s and 80s the notions of sex was viewed as exotic, risqué, and even a little taboo, nowadays sex is viewed with a much more postmodern lens. Now people are more willing to ask why there’s a sex scene rather than just accepting there’s a sex scene at all. With hot button issues like sexual assault being so prominent, the relevancy of sex scene has more to do with whether or not it’s being done with that cultural awareness in mind.
@@kari_illama_epdi subjective, but many movies add nudity where it does neither fits the mood nor helps to tell the story just because. in your face nudity is not the same as intimicy.
the call is for not abusing people for our amusement, for people who create fiction to think about the implication of them framing something a certain way, if adding and presenting sex that way helps or harms their message and use it deliberate and approprietly not just because. The call is not for demonising sex, advertising chastity or whatever
I don't mind sex scenes, but I hate it when they get too graphic or go on too long - often it detracts from the story or puts it to a screeching halt. I think implied sex and nudity works just as well, and unless it adds something to the story to show it, I'd rather not see it. For me, it really comes down to context and most prolonged sex scenes are unnecessary. Same with gratuitous gore - don't mind it, but often it's not necessary and it's not really shocking anymore. There are some amazing shows with awesome stories that I would love to recommend to people but I am reluctant to because of the gratuitous sex/nudity and/or gore.
"The characters haven't consented to being watched"
The CHARACTERS?! The FICTIONAL CHARACTERS that have been created solely for the purpose of a story that is meant to be watched?! Those characters?! One of the weirdest hot takes I have seen in a long while
Yep, that stretch of takes really made me wonder, shit, have we taken the idea of consent TOO FAR? Cause jfc 😬
@@clairea7647 I wish it would go further.
I think treating the characters as real is somewhat delusional. The actors HAVE to be consenting of everything but when we watch sex scenes it's not like we're watching porn of unconsenting parties who didn't know they were being filmed and treating it as such is disturbing and naive.
Twitters reaction to Penn wanting to do less intimate scenes was so ridiculous I couldn't believe it.
Also jennifer lawarance getting hate for apologizing to her friend/co star’s wife about the intimate scenes they had. Jeez. She is trying to be respectful of her friend.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 But that sounds over the top and jumping on the bandwagon.
@@rejectionisprotection4448 agreed. I think I just want the hate to stop especially when it is no one’s buisness.
He should be able to choose what he wants or for doesn’t want to. I just find it strange he equates acting in sex scenes with infidelity. I don’t think as many people would care if he just didn’t want to do it, period.
@@mhawang8204 i can see where he is coming from. Because they have to go full into it. They have to kiss passionately, take their clothes off, grind (kind of) together, and if you are a porn star, you literally have sex. These are all intimate acts that should be between you and your partner (for those who believe in monogamy). So I can see where he and some others feel it is more than just acting. Like jennifer lopez in an interview stated about her love scenes: every time is like a first time. What you experience in dating is what you experience in acting.
All of this is about trust, respect, and intimacy.
Sorry for being old fashioned, but this is how I see it sometimes.
I’m not one for banning intimate scenes, BUT whether an actor wants to do one or not is completely up to them. A performer should not be made to do stuff their uncomfortable with in the name of art. That’s why I LOVE that there are intimacy coordinators working on set to help the actors feel comfortable while making a scene look realistic without crossing any boundaries
That is and should be important.
Sex can exist in media as long as everyone is on board and the actors involved have control with how it’s filmed. But to be honest, I barely find sex in movies and tv to even be sex positive when most the times, it’s voyeuristic and typically at the woman. Her full body is shown more than the man’s, her voice is the loudest, the man in the scene normally isn’t objectified for his nudity compared to the woman. If the movie is “supposed to be steamy for the audience”, then what type of audience?? To me, it’s just men inserting their desire for porn into every piece of media they watch.
EXACTLY‼️‼️
💯💯💯💯💯💯
I'm glad that Hollywood is FINALLY prioritising the safety and comfort of their actors over the art. It's been long overdue, but it's finally here!
Hollywood has never cared about art. It's a business.
Hollywood should be prioritizing the art. If an actor is uncomfortable then they shouldn't take the role. It's their problem. Hollywood has been ruined by all these rules, especially the ones about diversity, inclusion, representation, and equity. All this should be purged form Hollywood and anyone who promotes these ideas should be pushed out of the industry by any means necessary.
We need more exclusion, homogeneity, and representation of the majority.
@@HobanProduction No.I'm not a troll. I just harbor a deep disdain for the Wokerati, a group of self-righteous ideologues, who have infiltrated our society with their destructive and divisive views. It is incumbent upon us to rise up against this pernicious movement and relegate their misguided beliefs to the fringes of society where it belongs. I call upon all those who share my convictions to stand with me in this crucial fight.
Let us demonstrate the strength and conviction of our beliefs, and show the world that we will not be cowed by the forces of political correctness.
Wokeness poisons everything.
Prude. Virgin
@@HobanProduction Exactly
I’ve always said that sex and nudity in a movie are only as good as to how they benefit the story. The love scene in Blue Is The Warmest Color is so uncomfortably long and intrusive. It couldn’t be any more blatantly exemplifying the male gaze. In contrast to the “love scene” in Booksmart between Amy and Hope. It’s not about the graphic intensity of her sexual encounter. It’s about her experiencing sexual intimacy for the first time.
I can't believe how much fuss there's about sth with such a clear answer : yes sex scenes shouldn't be banned from film and yes it should be up to each actor whether they'll concent to do a sex scene kr not
It is funny to think that the adult film has this down pat and Hollywood has such a hard time with the issue of sex.
Note in the adult films they go over what actors are willing to do and what is a no go. They go over everything so everyone is on the same page.
@@stephennootens916 You clearly know nothing about the porn industry. It's *extremely* abusive to women. Many female porn stars have spoken up about being forced to do things they didn't want to do. There are literally millions of adult videos that are just women being raped on camera.
@@stephennootens916 No they don't; plenty of porn actresses are blindsided by what they agreed to and what they are coerced into doing when they get on set.
Hollywood doesn't have a problem with sex scenes. It has a problem with shitty, unnecessary sex scenes.
@@stephennootens916 Only in firms with no exploitation rules that are strictly adhered to. There is PLENTY of porn out there that was made with dubious consent/no consent/exploitation involved. Don't be foolish.
@@signedjordan2285 As I understand it these pre filming consent meetings have grown to be more and more the thing to do for mainstream porn companies in last fifteen or so years.
People are really insane if they think Penn Badgley was being “creepy” saying he didn’t want to do sex scenes. Yes it’s all consensual and it’s acting but it’s still his body simulating and depicting an act he doesn’t want to be associated with. I feel like I’m living in crazy town, the girl from euphoria that said she didn’t want to be nude as much was celebrated but he gets called a creep? Like that’s just insane
ok translate from “BAD THING EQUAL MENTALLY ILL (WHICH IS BAD)” to english
Damn, imagine being called a creep for staying loyal to your spouse.
Ikr that was ridiculous to me! I found it incredibly commendable that he stuck to his principles. The "well if he can't separate it from his personal life, then he's a pervert" argument seems to operate on the assumption that actors are robots without emotions
Exactly what I was thinking like I've never heard of that being a way a guy is a creep.
Like the video showed, they probably assumed he was looking at it like a horn guy who has the chance to make out with other actors but doesn't. I can see where both reasonable sides are coming from though. Neededing to have that boundary an an individual person in a relationship is valid, but it would also make sense to avoid any roles you know would ask that of you anyway because that's still your job if everything is kept respectful.
@@normandy2501 Also, I just see it like that is his decision. Like it's not harmful to anyone to refuse intimacy scenes. Why even get mad about that?
@@FaithMurri yea I mean it’s almost as though he feels like getting naked with another woman is betraying his wife
Thank you for the rational take on this matter. It baffles me that people can't differentiate between the actors and their characters. Understandably, everyone has their own thoughts and opinions, but those needn't be expressed all the time about everything.
Let people live and do their jobs and get your own life so that you'd stop obsessing about people you don't actually know, much less own.
Damn. That last line
The lengths people go to is insane. There have been quite a few actors and actresses than played a character pelle didn't like and go death threats. The fact that those people cannot separate fantasy form reality is horrifying.
Yes. I find the comments about audiences watching intimate moments that the characters haven't consented to very confusing. Most tv and movie characters are fictional. They aren't real! They can't consent to anything!
@@francescaeve8776 Even if it's happening to a fictitious character, it can still be disturbing to a lot of people (ie. rape and torture scenes).
@@UnboxingAlyss no-ones arguing that it's not uncomfortable to watch but characters aren't real = therefore they can't consent to any parts of their life being onscreen, even the mundane like eating breakfast.
The response to Chloe was ridiculous. And borderline racist. White women don’t get attacked for sexual scenes.
Yep. There's a history to Chloe Bailey's career which means that I wasn't surprised about the backlash in "Swarm", which I hadn't heard about before.
Who was doing most of it? Black, White etc men or women.
Can't say that generally
The love scene in Don't Look Now is beautiful because it is that powerful moment of reconnection as well as their last time together. It's a powerful and necessary piece of the story and the storytelling.
It's unnecessary, woman!
@@AGSA5 weirdo
@@Zac-oz9lj why am I a weirdo? I love women, but they are boundaries. We have young children like yourself that should be prohibited from watching shows like this.
@@AGSA5 why?
@@alim.9801 haram?
I absolutely agree with Penn Badgley, he has every right not to do any intimate (aka sex scenes if he doesn't want to) and that goes to every actor or actress. Quite frankly, I don't mind a scene of intimacy as long as it is not gratutious, which a lot of movie and television show are going for these day. Though, I think this goes back to MEN. I not just talking about all men, but a**hole men in general who just want to see women naked while they fantasize her in a sex scene. As for the Hayes Code..
The guy is just a hypocritical politician who wants to police people to how they should make their films. This is why I am proud of people like Zendaya who made a clause about not doing nudes. This made me respect her.
It's the focus on that 18-34 mail demographic that's doomed entertainment at large. I can't enjoy a show because the creators just have to have female nudity or else the men watching will lose interest. That, combined with an overemphasis on "family friendly" films, and it's all gotten uninteresting
There are some sex scenes that I think kinda do what over exposure to porn can do, which is to say it can send some pretty potentially damaging messages about what is 'normal' in certain sexual practices.
For example, actual members of the BDSM community properly dislike 50 Shades because its actually more of an abusove relationship, whereas a film like Secretary has been lauded as portraying BDSM much more truthfully and sensitively (albeit not completely the best representation).
But on a much broader scale, I think sex scenes are difficult because what we are seeing is performative, whereas (IMO) sex with your partner shouldnt be like your performing for anyone, not even them. It should be about real connection and consenting fun.
When it comes to the director and the actor(s) there is always a power dynamic. A good director understands and addresses that pressure. Respect is key.
Are you a Hollywood director?
Stanley Kubrick had no respect for his actors and he’s considered a legendary director.
@@nont18411He would face criticism today. The tyrannical genius director is a myth. Just like some actors attribute their weird antics on set as “method acting.” Are the actors really so bad that a director has to psychologically traumatize them to get an “authentic reaction?” It’s called acting, pal.
@@nont18411 yeah, and he sucked for that. You can make some good art and still be a shitty person. You can make great art without being a shitty person, so I dunno if it's always worth it yknow?
As an ace I often cringe when i see yet another bedroom scene when it's not needed but on the other hand, I can blush and squeal when it's written well (which rarely happens). It feels like for some shows, sex scenes are just a distraction from the bad plot or acting.
I'm not ace but I completely agree with you. Unnecessary sex scenes make me cringe and make me roll my eyes, but good ones that fit right into the plot and advance it do give me satisfaction when it is done right
@@takishaedwards273 I feel like, in most cases, sex scenes could straight up just get taken out and only implied after the fact. Nobody would really care that much unless the story had a plot that specifically dealt with an aspect of sex, or if the sex involved a non hetero couple for the sake of normalization.
Two people meet, decide they want to be intimate, maybe film a kiss or something, then dolly into later that night/morning they're in bed. The plot advancing dialog continues as normal and nobody cares.
@@takishaedwards273 yes! I came here to say this, too. My orientation has no beating of bad or lazy writing.
Not ace, but feel completely the same. A great example is how many HBO shows and movies aimed at men (action in particular) have scenes at strip clubs where the characters are just talking, but the background is filled with naked women dancing around. It adds nothing to the plot and only exists to put more boobs on screen for the male audience to ogle.
I disagree. I think most sex scenes are necessary
I think you guys handled this analysis better than your previous video on Hollywood sex. Thanks for doing a better, more well-rounded take.
What the difference? Seems like the same take (no pun intended).
@@somestuff7876 I found this video covered the aspects of consent of the actors better, and didn't focus as much on the "sanitizing" of Hollywood. The previous one felt like it was shaming Hollywood for not having enough sex, and this video felt like it better went into why that can be good and bad. It just felt better to me.
@@wheatart4274 Got it.
Well, yeah first one was brought by "You", you got me here heh. And I agree it did felt like they were mourning the death of memorable sex scenes (more like intimate moments to me). But I do agree with the main point overall and I, honestly, didn't notice any changes from the first video. Maybe I automatically assumed what they meant without... I don't know how to word it properly without sounding like I'm accusing people that didn't agree with them in bad faith argumentations.
It just that they rarely have extreme views or black/white approach, in general. But to each is own, of course.
So basically everything changed when a man spoke about the same issue women in Hollywood have been talking about for decades. But okay at least it's changing.
Its always like that
In "Return of the King" there's a shot where Sam and his bride are surprised at their wedding, presumably by someone catching a bouquet. But they're actually reacting to Viggo Mortensen assaulting Billy Boyd with a non-consensual kiss. Dominic Monaghan later implies in an interview that it's not the first time it's happened, and that Mortensen was not the only one, attempting to make a joke out of it. But I haven't been able to look at Mortensen or the franchise the same way. It's clear in the clip that Boyd is uncomfortable, even on the verge of tears. Combined with certain comments made by Sean Bean regarding nudity in Game of Thrones, I shudder to think what the situation must have been like for Boyd while filming.
WOW. Viggo? Man.
The CHARACTERS haven't consented???
Dear god, it's so stupid it hurts.
Why are people so stupid??
To me it was more wild how they said as the viewer they're not consenting to being subjected to sex scenes... WTF?? What about age ratings or trigger warnings? When you watch a show or a movie, most of the time you are going to be aware there are sex scenes. You can even look it up if you don't want your purity violated before watching a show.
The problem is the internet doesn’t understand nuance everything is either black or white .
I agree, although lack of nuance is getting worse everywhere, not just the internet. Critical thinking seems more demonized as time goes on
Some things should be black and white. There are far too many grey areas for consent.
For example alcohol. At what point can someone be too drunk to give consent? Wouldn't it make more sense to throw out this grey area altogether and advise people not to have sex under the influence of alcohol?
We add unnecessary grey areas and nuance to consent, when it should be simple.
@@The482075 But that kind of black-and-whiting of the alcohol/consent issue creates problems, chiefly that if removes the agency of free people to give consent when under any amount of influence. That would mean if two people in a long term loving relationship who have had a drink with dinner can't then consent to sex with one another, even if they both would like to. Sure, the hard and fast rule removes a grey area, but life is grey areas. That doesn't mean we should give up either, but it's not as simple as you're suggesting.
@@quickfrog57 You have a point. Not all grey areas for consent can be avoided. That's impossible. That said, surely alcohol is one that can.
That said, one drink should be okay. It does depend on the individual. However it is really hard to tell, because mild drunkenness is the Grey area.
Also it is really hard to figure out how much alcohol takes away someone's freedom to choose. At that point we are diving into the free will versus determinism debate.
Life is needlessly complicated. Isn't it wise to minimise complications wherever feasible? Obviously some complexities are unavoidable. Also alcohol was only one example of a grey area.
@@The482075 not gonna lie I’ve been drunk during some of my best sex, I’m a little more loose and daring. I don’t think laws can handle this stuff, I think it’s a matter of feeling. Does everyone involved want to have sex? And if that’s the case then a bottle or a case of wine shouldn’t stop them. I think people are pretty good at determining when they’ve had consensual vs non-consensual sex and if it happens that one party feels like they didn’t give consent then there shouldn’t be any shame involved in talking about it and making sure it doesn’t happen again. Just trying to force everyone to act a certain way isn’t gonna work
Penn's stance is totally valid how many stories have we heard of co-stars hooking up after portraying a couple on screen?
It is. He shouldn't have taken the role, though. Especially as a guy, he can go after an abundance of roles that have no sex scenes at all. Why not leave the job to someone who's comfortable doing it? Not every piece of art has to be catered to the actor's needs. Maybe it's time he sets boundaries from the get-go and chooses roles accordingly.
It is valid and he has the right to choose but portraying a couple on screen isn't going to make you more likely to hook up with your costar. It's just the same as when you have regular coworkers in a regular job. Professioanlism is everything.
My biggest fear with all of this is how many people don't separate different issues surrounding Hollywood and consenting actors wishing to be in sex scenes, and other non-related issues. Like... I get most cannot digest spicy scenes; but to equate it with porn, and in the process demonize porn, while also equating it to s*x work and vilify the workers too... I cant help but think its an odd return to puritanical culture. And we all know how heteronormative and suppressing that was at its highest form.
Hm.
It isn't censorship if an actor or actress says "no".
Agreed about the importance of making sure everyone behind the camera is safe and comfortable. But I have to say, the strong aversion a lot of people seem to have to any kind of sex and/or nudity on screen these days baffles me.
Penn really is outside the Hollywood actor bubble, sad to have to read tweets claiming he cheated on his wife or has a history of harassing the actresses he works with.
It's so ridiculous. How does it not make sense to people that he feels uncomfortable kissing other women when he's married?
Aside from (admirably) wanting to protect his marriage and partner, he’s also a father now and I feel like people underestimate how much both men and women’s perspectives can shift when they become parents. Whatever his reasons actually were, good on Penn for doing what feels right for him.
What I’ve learned about queer content in all its forms is that if the intimacy is respectful and genuine, it makes it that much more beautiful. (Not to say we don’t have our limitations too)
i think the best example ive seen lately is episode 3 of the last of us; and there was no graphic sex scene, only the implication of what they were going to do, and the whole thing was really respectful, realistic and well done. Often time, queer charcaters get oversexualized, and the nuances of their actual relationships and emotions arent explored.
We could have like less unnessecary bedroom-sex scenes and more representation of realistic healthy couples, platonic/non-romantic/non-sexual love+intimacy and aces and aros and aroace people for a change imo.
that's too fringe. There's probably lots of indie movies about such weird relationships anyway.
@@lorenzomizushal3980 trust me: there is not. I’ve looked. And how are friendships (something everyone has) and real people’s identities to *fringe*? Why shouldn’t they be represented in the mainstream?
I had to ffwd through a lot of psychological thrillers in the 90s just because there was too much sex in the film or groping going on. I still do this. There are scenes in Black Swan that make me extremely uncomfortable that I have to skip to be able to watch the rest of the film. As an Ace/Aro I am more effected by this than ordinary people, and stuck with this idea that I am the only one who sees that everyone in every film or sitcom is doomed to have to hook up with one of the co stars to have a storyline. Because Joey was the ONLY one in Friends who didn't hook up with anyone permanently at the end of Season 10, everyone said he was a throwaway character but I don't think that's a fair accessment of him or any other character. Note the stereotype: Non straight/slightly tomboyish female character who in order to be accepted must dress outrageously feminine, have sex and find the right *man* by the end of the movie to be a success. Its tired, its unimaginative and it ruins a lot of stories. Knock it off!
i mean i'm straight lol but i feel more or less the same way. it just feels unecessary at times...
Well said
funny thing, a great protrail of consent on a set is in the infamously brilliantly terrible romance movie love actually. Lots of problematic relations, but the one not problematic couple are body doubles/light doubles for adult movies and he always asks consent and does what he can to ensure she stays comfortable. its a very respectfful treatment both by him and by the movie itself towords someone people easely deny that curtesy for "she chose that job so her privecy or bodely autonomy do not count anymore"
There definitely needs to be some adjustments in media. Firstly nudity and sex need to be separated. One does not always have to include the other.
Secondly, nudity should only be used when its necessary. There are times when it is a highly effective story telling tool but has been so misused in media just for the sake of it without any good justification beyond "hey lets have them be naked" or "lets have her in the shower (for no purpose)".
Thirdly, intimacy does not equal sex. Sex scenes don't tell me (the viewer) that these two are in love. Cuddling on a couch, laughing with each other, hugs and kisses, just looking into each others eyes, being sweet together innocently (with all their clothes on) does a much better job of selling intimacy and love than any sex scene does. Picture a scene of a couple cooking together in the kitchen, sharing a touch to the stomach, a nudge of a nose against a shoulder or cheek, a small chuckle before a kiss. Way more effective than an uncomfortable roll in a bed with strategically placed bedsheets to make sure he is fully covered. Viewers don't require sex or nudity to sell love and media do a disservice to the story and the art by limiting it to such.
If we start censoring art, there will be no end to it. It should be entirely left to the actors' decision whether to consent to an intimate scene or not. Simple as that.
If you're a filmmaker, one way of approaching this is to ask yourself: "is this something that Céline Sciamma would film?" (as in "Portrait of a Lady on Fire", 2019). "Or is it just something that HBO execs would include?"
This video just made me subscribe. Great points and honestly a conversation that needs to happen more ❤
Dear The Take, This time you did it better with this topic than the first time!
I'm old enough to remember when the new openness was happening in the early 1970s films. It was shocking at the time to see films like Last Tango In Paris, Panic In Needle Park, Klute, Five Easy Pieces, Cinderella Liberty and others. Looking at the tenor of the times, the sexual revolution was in full roll, film makers were reflecting what they were seeing in society and pushing against the Hayes Code from the 1930s. That said, the sexual struggles of society and films portraying sex scenes have been relegated to the ashes of history. Now we are so saturated with depictions of sex by the internet, films, music videos and commercial television that sex is kind of boring. It's not censorship as much as it's a change of direction in the other way. My only concern is it becoming state sanctioned censorship and we end up in some weird Taliban-style society.
This is a big motivation for my writing. So many adults are basically five year olds when it comes to sexual maturity.
Look how everything gets so complicated with even the simplest scenes of intimacy, yet someone can get their spine ripped out in a children's TV show or pushed off a cliff. Violence is normal, but sex isn't? I'm sure most people engage in sexual activity than they do in violence on a daily basis, if not the same amount(in worst case, they do them at the same time).
The fact that westernized, Christianity style romance is seen as some law of nature is one of the biggest setbacks in modern happiness.
100% Agree
Oh, children's TV should not have sex
@agnessofiacastrocarvalho774 I agree, but we shouldn't tell them that violence is okay, natural even, while sex isn't. It only grows in to deeper misunderstandings of humanity
Well that's the American way. Puritan culture has its roots deep in our views of sexuality and nudity.
This... is SO hopelessly backwards, regressive, AND repressive!!! It's not about WHAT is being discussed and/or shown, it's HOW Hollywood goes about doing it.
If any actor doesn't feel comfortable with doing sex scenes once it's already announced that the production will include sex scenes, fine, don't sign up for it and choose some other project... for that matter, it's the responsibility of the filmmakers to announce long beforehand that the scenes being filmed WILL feature explicit content. But don't exclude sex or nudity - you exclude one thing from mainstream cinema and you end up excluding all other things, including eventually things that artists CAN and SHOULD be allowed to depict onscreen, and most particularly subjects that DO need to be shown to the public. You'll end up giving way to puritanical totalitarianism and censorship, compromising pieces of art that artists poured years of planning and development into, and NO ART should be compromised or censored EVER!!! And the more you compromise art, the more people WILL get tired of the same safe things and demand more actual, you know, ADULT entertainment!!!
Now, there ARE things we shouldn't show - I for one will NEVER condone animal cruelty or child pornography and think that anyone who actually commits them onscreen should be locked up for life. Also, I do believe that people in the system who abuse their wealth, fame and other privileges and responsibilities - like Harvey Weinstein - at the expense of those who want to have a career in the film and TV industry the honest way, should be locked up. But authentic depiction of legal sex age 18 and up, violence, drugs and language can and SHOULD be shown on screen if they fit the artists' visions, and they shouldn't be harshly cut and altered just to satisfy half-assed viewers' pretentious sense of self-entitlement. Art may require an audience, but it doesn't require submission to people who feel that they should dictate what is being shown and how, especially when they're not the ones creating the art.
We've already had censorship in the form of the Hays Production Code starting nearly a century ago and that FAILED - we HAVE a RATINGS system, people!!! We shouldn't have to reduce art from R-rated to a tacky, overly tame PG-13 rating for vast commercial returns! Artists have been struggling over the past decade because of corporate takeovers which tend to play it safe trying to please everyone, and when you try to please everyone, you end up pleasing NO ONE!!! Stop listening to the few childish, overly prudish and repressed extremist conservative pussies and GROW UP!!! And don't even DARE attack people like me on the basis of being "politically incorrect" - that's just ANOTHER form of censorship and both independent and major studio productions have suffered ENOUGH from that!!!
I guess I don't understand this. These actors are doing a job. Don't they get the chance to read the script and then decide if they are comfortable with any intimacy depicted and can thus accept or turn down a role accordingly? As long as all actors are aware of the expectations and have agreed to take the job, and all precautions are taken to keep things professional and respectful as far as how the scene is filmed, then what is the problem? It's like a window washer accepting a job at Big City Skyscraper Window Cleaners Inc., only to then balk when told to clean the windows of a very tall building, saying "Oh, I can't do that. I'm afraid of heights." If doing an intimate scene causes discomfort or problems in your marriage or is triggering, then turn down that role. I can see problems if an actor takes a long-term job with limited intimacy requirements only to find out that over the course of time, that requirement is increased - that is definitely unfair. In such a case, perhaps actors in long-running programs or franchise properties should have strongly-supported contracts that stipulate what they will and will not do at any time.
Keep note that the hays code censored far more then romantic scenes, I dont think longing for a version of it to be reinstated is a great thing...
I think there are times when sex scenes feel like they're adding in for the sake of filling time. So there's no point to it, so I just skip the scene. If the story isn't affected by it, then is it really needed?
You can say that about a lot of scenes in a movie or book? How do you judge what’s really needed, I’d say if it’s in the movie because the filmmaker wanted it in there then that’s fine. If there’s external pressure to have a sex scene then that’s a problem. A viewer can think a story isn’t affected by removing a scene but that only happens in hindsight I.e after they’ve watched the scene, for all that viewer knows, the discomfort they felt watching the scene is intentional.
I think warnings before a movie starts is important, let people know that there’ll be sex and nudity in a movie so they can opt out of watching it
That was my problem with a lot of movies. I told my friends that the love scenes in The mountain between us was so unnecessary. The love story was already great, but all my friends disagree
Another fantastic video - thank you!
You Series Is Always In My Heart
Hi! For me is fine to me if actors and actresses decide to film or not film intimate scenes.
I am agree with u guys… sex should be in films if the story really need it.🎉
lmao that tomgreg sneak
Good nuanced video!
While I dont care for sex scenes, I would never try to censor or ban them. I can always just not watch the show/movie. I do think consent is important and I'm glad intimacy coaches are a thing. Consent is extremely important and it's good that actors and especially actresses can make their concerns know without being blacklisted.
It doesn’t move a story forward as effectively as filmmakers think. The same can be said for prolonged torture & violen.ce but doubt we’ll be reducing those scenes anytime soon
Fewer sex-scenes was definitely the least of You's Season 4 problems.
I do see a lot of content and I think that it’s nice to see Aro/ace/Aroace Coded Content but we should understand that it’s not a cudgel to fight one’s foes. It’s a very flimsy if you compare content to 70 years ago. They were operating under different circumstances.
I don't understand sex and nudity are bad but violence and murder is good? I find it unfair how its ok to show characters killing each other and bomb explosions killing people on film but its not ok to display intimate or sex scenes in movies.
Did... did they assault her with a STICK OF BUTTER? WTF?
It seems so.
The scene in question is between a 19-year-old Maria Schneider and a 48-year-old Marlon Brando. In it, Brando's character anally rapes her, using a stick of butter as lubricant. Maria was not told about the rape scene until right before they filmed it. So in a matter of minutes, she was naked from the waist down while Brando physically pinned her to the floor and pressed butter against her ass. It was horrifically traumatizing.
Brando rubbed butter up her a-hole.
He used butter as lube.
Intimacy Coordinators will hopefully change the perception of intimacy on screen being ‘real’ rather than realise it’s very technical.
If the sex scene fits into the narrative, I don't care if it's there. I'm pretty neutral to them to be honest. What I care more about, is the actors comfort. I still remember when Jessica Alba was losing roles because she had a no nudity clause in her contract and people kept trying to trick her into doing them, and that's just off the top of my head. I don't want people to feel uncomfortable when they're working, regardless of the work. And I don't think hyper realistic sex acting is necessary for the illusion of intimacy or chemistry, it's the caliber of the actor that matters. I think it's bonkers that people are being shamed and called out for not wanting to do nudity or explicit sex scenes. People are allowed to have boundaries, especially at work.
To sum up US entertainment: Puritans came over on the mayflower and never came back
Love this conversation.
As a viewer, I'm just more concerned about an actor's comfort level than the "shock" of sexual intimacy. There's ways to imply sexual contact without being graphic.
4:48 I think it depends. Often actors convince themselves they will do intimate scenes to go for the part and later admit they were never really comfortable with them. Take Emilia Clark or Game of Thrones for example.
While I’m all for getting rid of salacious sex scenes that don’t serve the plot Hollywood is at its best when it’s a mirror of society and sex exists in real life and personally I think in the right circumstances it can add greatly to a film.
I agree, I’m not a fan of sex scenes just for the sake of it, but id they serve the plot, and are well done, I see no problem with them. It’s just something that is part of the human experience. However, if an actor feels uncomfortable doing them, they have absolutely the right to ask not to do them, regardless the reasons behind this decision
@@nicolec.5352 I agree no one should feel forced to bare more than they are comfortable with. I will say though they should be honest about that even when it’s inconvenient.
There are more than enough roles in Hollywood that you don’t have to do nudity if you don’t want to.
that's good to hear
Hubby and I watched “You People” last night. It was a funny movie. We’re a biracial couple. I’m black. He’s white but our families accepted our relationship without issue….anyway, hubby said “why were the kisses like they were kissing a grannie?” I think a lot of younger actors don’t know how to portray intimacy honestly. Sex/intimacy is a part of the human experience. We don’t expect “Showgirls or Basic Instinct” but no kissing? No real intimacy?
6:59 Now we need to get consent from the characters?? The CHARACTERS, not the actors. This is ridiculous
People being mad that actors don't want to do sex scenes is so creepy. No means no, even when it's an entertainer, but for some reason people don't see entertainers as people
Like Bridgerton. People lost their minds and acted like Jonathan Bailey and Simone Ashley were lovers in real life. Saying thar Jonathan an openly gay man was really. He was just confused. Seriously people.
🙄 censor art?! I’m not a fan of that at all. This is less a conversation of censorship and more a conversation of how these Hollywood companies (all companies for that matter) take advantage of actors/employees. No one should have to do something that they didn’t consent too that wasn’t in the job description clearly laid out before them. In this case every explicit scene should be discussed before production with your cast and crew. Written consent and an outline should be made of what that does and does not entail clear and no grey area in the writing. If the actor chooses to not do it they are in their right to decline the project without repercussions. If an actor chooses to do it they shouldn’t be scrutinized by the public for something they consented too.
When sex scenes have deep meaning for the story (or are even artfully played for skillful comedy) it’s good, it’s art, it’s humanity.
I also hate gratuitous sex scenes seemingly added in to be softcore porn for shock-value that don’t drive the narrative or develop characters.
Of course, actor comfort and consent is completely necessary regardless of the aforementioned nature of sex scenes in cinema.
as hinted at in my other reply, do you feel the same about action scenes? (if not, why?)
@@xxxaragon yes 100% … but as we know, western society and our puritanical roots have varying values when it comes to sex vs violence
@@paisan8766 although, as mentioned in some other reply here, I'd argue that "the Western world" is not a monolith regarding these questions at all.
e.g. the US and France seem to have quite different approaches in regard to how the perceive nudity (which seems to be understood as always inherently sexual in the US, not so much in France), sexuality and violence.
(and the harm that each of it supposedly does to younger viewers)
@@xxxaragon ok let’s go with the USA & the UK then
I am not understanding the backlash with Penn Badgley or Chloe Bailey… what???
Hold on! I do not want to go back to the censorship era. I do not understand why people think going backwards is moving forward. Stop romanticizing the past. These scenes should be made in collaboration with the actors, the writers, the directors, etc.
The last scene in Cinema Paradiso… if you know you know
I don't have any problem with sex on the screen--the more the merrier. But I don't want actors pressured to do things they don't want to do.
I agree.
Oh boy... cant wait to see who gets to right the new hays code
I missed the point that actors sign contracts. if those are clear (and not changable by one party) at least everybody knows what they signed up for.
I still waiting a video about How Dan & Blair are the best couple of Gossip Girl!
Including that M*a*s*h scene made me so incredibly happy :D
Sex is a part of many people's lives, so I think it has a place in the stories we tell. There are even times when I think it's appropriate to tell stories about dangerous or toxic sexuality. But the people making these stories (writers, directors, actors, etc.) are real people who have the right to consent to telling these stories without being manipulated. No one should have to suffer to make art - everyone can enthusiastically consent to create moving and intriguing stories.
On the subject of Penn Badgley, I think he has every right to refuse to do intimate scenes. However, that is going to limit the kinds of stories he's able to tell. If he's okay with limiting his creativity that way, we can be okay with it too. He may never portray a sexually passionate character again, but he can still be a snarky delusional stalker.
100 % agree. Also, nudity and visual exploitation are issues that disproportionately affect women in the industry. So, to me, it's symptomatic that a man's refusal was the first to be given that level of conversation.
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Penn Badgley thinking that doing intimate scenes will somehow hurt his marriage is pretty telling I think - not exactly a professional mindset - but that's his choice and the overreaction was ridiculous.
People start to hate intumate scenes in movies and series because what they lack too much in real life. Men are more open about it, women suffer in silence. Life without love, intimate relationships, babies, family life, often without friends etc. is new normal for most.
The Subtitles/closed captions drop out at the 5 minute mark
I’m sure for those who are calling for a censorship I think what they really mean is well placed and well written sex scenes. Sex for shock value just does not fly, and those kinds of movie scenes should be in the minimum for those who wish to seek it out. Also let’s have more sensual scenes, so many ways to explore intimacy between characters.
people need to get a grip
look up an article called "everyone is beautiful and no one was horny"
The Take seems to only want to see more sex on movies, based on this and their previous video… Girls, did you know there’s a whole other genre for that? For real though, NO ONE is saying it is getting banned from movies or shows. It is more and more actors’ choices to stay away from these scenes
This analysis missed the opportunity to showcase how well Normal People tackled this subject matter.
I don’t see this push from actors who don’t want to do soft core porn scenes as censorship. It is coming from the group required to act these scenes. The intimacy coordinators are needed because these scenes require the actors to appear to show strong emotions.
I think directors really haven’t worked out how to direct people. I mean we have kids who think the sex which they see in media and in porn is real. And it isn’t.
seriously some people are concerned about the consent of fictional characters in shows to be watched by viewers?? what about MY consent to be exposed to unexpected and sometimes shocking sex/rape scenes? there should be warnings about every possible shocking aspect in the content of the movie available
I don't think there are issues with sex scenes IF they actually serve the plot, and IF the actors have consented to do said scenes with full transparency beforehand as to what will happen. No coercion or trickery. They should be able to control how much of their body is seen. Visual storytelling is creative. You can't tell me that there aren't many ways to frame a scene and tell a story.
I don't condone heavy-handed censorship, but I do feel that the explicit nature of many streaming shows is actually a distraction from the story-line many times, particularly when it comes to violence. There are some amazing shows that I find unwatchable, because the violence is so over the top, and relentless. I don't mind sex scenes but unless they propel the story along, they are superfluous.
I think the issue is that a lot of movies and tv shows don't do a good job of portraying consent in romantic scenes. It's all very agressive, I think movies like A Walk To Remember, which is pretty much the only religious romance movie I can watch and then the show South Of Nowhere do a pretty good job of portraying consent and romance, the female characters make it pretty clear when they don't want to do something, and instead of being coercive or agressive, the guy just backs off.
And in season 1 of South Of Nowhere, Ashley and Spencer are fooling around with Aiden, and Ashley wants to kiss Spencer, but then Aiden comes back in, and Spencer changes her mind. And no big deal is made out of it Ashley makes sure Spencer's ok and they move on.
I just rewatched season 3 of You, and noticed how many more Sex scenes there were compared to season 4. I don't need to see Joe "scoring" with his obsession, I wanted a compiling story about his crazy character, and they already have enough going on with his story, sex scenes don't help with it. People can be intimate without it becoming sex. You can show so much love between people that goes beyond them physically pleasing each other for the sake of the audience and probably filling in time gaps that they couldn't think of anything else to put in.
It's male gaze that needs to be done with not sex scenes. MALE GAZE.
Make a video on the unexpected success of RRR in the Western market
Intimacy is a part of human expirience. Movies should describe us, bring representation etc. The new movie with Emma Thompson about the sexuality of an older woman is very important I think. It's just a case of how we use it - as a part of the story or as a shoehorn, useless bait.
this👏 I totally agree, going absolutely one direction or another it's not a solution. All is a question of agreement and respect.
Sure, but you have to remember that that movie is specifically about sex in relation to the story. You don't need a sex scene in John Wick or something. We already innately know that sex is part of the human experience, but not every story is about the human experience in that way and writers/directors tend to throw that stuff in for the sake of it.
I think we have to think about nuances here. There is a big difference between unnecessary intimacy scenes that do not contribute to the plot (euphoria) and the ones that are important to the plot and give the audience a feeling of connectedness to the characters (every kissing scene in every romance movie). There is also a difference between a sex scene, a kissing scene and a make out scene. While I like watching kissing scenes because they are romantic, some make out scenes and sex scenes do make me feel uncomfortable and keep me thinking, if they were even necessary for the plot. There is nothing wrong with showing the beginning of intercourse, but cutting it at a certain time firstly doesn’t leave the audience thinking they just watched porn and keeps the romance.
So, I personally do not need explicit sex scenes in movies (only if those are important for the plot of the movie: fifty shades etc), but kissing scenes are important for the audience. I just know one movie that did not leave me unsatisfied at the end of it, because their wasn't a finally kiss between the protagonists and that was 2005 "Pride and Prejudice" (Europe version) because it was done so well.
but why would sex scenes some much different from action scenes? like, there are TONS of action scenes (much, much more than sex scenes) that do nothing to contribute to the main plot.
which personally, I think is fine, a movie (imo?) isn't just about getting from point 1 to point 2 to point 3 in the most effective way. it's also a visual medium in which shots or scenes in itself can have a purpose because they are (supposed to) make us feel something: excited, scared, aroused etc.
Mila Kunis was pressured to pose nude to promote a movie, disagreement would end her career. Tragic. But it makes me wonder how Michelle Pfeiffer, Julia Roberts, Meg Ryan, Sandra Bullock, and more avoided this ugly reality
2:41 WTF😑🤨
Imo when it comes to both horror and sex, the less shown, the greater the effect.
They sell very well on streaming nowadays. No one is paying that much money for a rom com when it’s better to watch it at home.