Rating GOKU'S Forms & Transformations: Dragonball Discussion
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- It was recently #Goku Day in Japan, so we felt it was the right time to look back through #DragonBall, all the way up to present day #DragonBallSuper and see which type of Super Saiyan is the best. Over a dozen iterations over the years but which Goku is the ultimate one?
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I have heard you all and I will do a video dedicated to forms that weren't covered here like Rose and Kaioken. How would you like this to be articulated? Tier List or typical Discussion format? Thank you for reaching out!
Discussion definitely
Tier list
We could use a "transformation" teir list. Not just Saiyans or Canon either. Everything from Makyo demons to saiyans to Frieza clan
Tier list
Great ape Goku was pretty important in that it showed you(outside of his tail obviously) that goku was a VERY different boy. But I feel they didnt use it nearly as well as they could. 3 1/2 muffins for me.
Super Sayian Blue, more like, Super Cyan.
Dont worry, my coat is on, I'll be on my way out now.
That is how everyone says saiyan when they are youtubers who also do articles on google
Like:
Screen rant
CBR
Sl made
I hate all of these youtubers
@@Darthox200 same
Nahhh, don’t leave, that was funny.
In terms of design my favorite is SS4 because it’s the pinnacle of Saiyans. The Great Ape and Super Saiyan merged into one. Plus something I’ve always enjoyed about transformations is after each one he looks more and more intimidating. SSG and SSB don’t have that factor.
It's just too busy and complicated looking for me. Looks more like something " Trying to be cool. "
@@Kekkersboy Toei seems to have that as a general issue if you look at their Heroes designs. I mean hell, look at whats happened to Towa.
JRC SMASH I agree completely. I only wish it had stayed shades of golden yellow. Or all red, no black hair
@@toofastnobrakes It has Yellow Eyes but thats kinda it. Maybe at least the Hair should be the normal SSJ Yellow. i have nothing against the Red Fuer. It kinda symbolices this Primal Rage that is the Oozaru Form and key to SSJ Transformation.
Neptune Planeptune they were gonna have it yellow, but they were kinda sick of that being the go to color. So they made it unique, even vegeta has brown hair when he is ssj4, Gogeta has red hair and darker fur, goku has a almost pinkish fur at times, so I thinks it’s more personalized to the user
Gets to super saiyan 2..
Ah, I see you're a man of culture as well...
Hey now, Super Sayain 3 wasn't useless, it infact did do something
It retroactively ruined the Goku - Majin Vegeta fight
sometimes you have to go even further beyond
Yeah, it just made it look like Goku was doing pity onto Vegeta.
AS shown during the two next times he used SSJ3 (vs fat Buu and as demonstration to Goten and Trunks), SSJ3 not only did drain a lot of his stamina, but also dramatically shortened the period of time he could stay in the mortal realm. Goku is one that loves his relatives and friends as much as he loves fighting. He also didn't have a clear picture about the whole Buu thing, he didn't know how strong Buu could actually be; also he didn't realize Vegeta's frustration, he tought he could manage that and didn't want to shorten the time available to stay with his dear ones.
It wasn't at all out of pity for Vegeta, not even close to that.
And gave us the best form for Gotenks as the over the top style matches his personality.
@@AcaciaAvenue Yeah, so instead of flashing it and breaking Vegeta's spirit in an instant he decides to drag out the fight with him, burn through way more time and energy, and then get beat. 10/10 fight IQ.
i absolutely fell in love with kid Goku, especially Stephanie Nadolny's interpretation, i think the moment when he decided to sacrifice having his grandfather's 4 star ball in order to wish Oopa's father back to life was the true catalyst of who Goku is as a person.
Well in the red ribbon saga but in the beginning of dragon ball oh my god
Goku is the best worst guy
Yeah I mean that is one of the defining Goku moment
Mr Boerger and also Goku deciding to find the goodness in everyone
That sacrifice is kind of destroyed when he just jumps up and catches the four star ball before it flies off, though.
It could be an unpopular opinion, but I personally prefer Ultra Instinct Omen form to Ultra Instinct Mastered form.
I would say you have a point. The UI Omen/Sign form has a little more mystery and mystique is always interesting. I mean ask Gohan!
@@MasakoX Sadly I can't. Gohan is busy attending a conference.
On Kanzenshuu at least, that isn't an unpopular opinion. Many of us there prefer the non-coloured hair of the Omen precursor. The closer to a base form it is, the better.
Same.
I don’t think it’s unpopular , it looks way better than Mastered UI
Ssj4 and ssj2 are my favorites. Ssj4 is exactly what you'd imagine a race of primal warriors to look like. The return of the tail is probably my favorite part. It's so iconic.
Next = Rate every DB Villain and Antiheroes
Luthadie would antiheroes count as Vegeta?
@@tonia8123 depends on the era of the Vegeta
The only current Antiheroes I can think of are Beerus, maybe DBS Broly (He's definitely not evil), Nova Shenron, and perhaps Whis? I'm not sure the Angels should count as being aligned with any side. I guess Frieza can now count as an Antivillain. He did save the multiverse after all.
@@psquared96 Nova Shenron was dope af
Rate them per arc, perhaps? Most of Goku's past enemies are his friends now.
But Masako, what about:
Future Goku?
Xeno Goku?
Super Saiyan Grade 2 Goku?
Super Saiyan Grade 3 Goku?
Full Power Super Saiyan Goku?
Great Ape Goku?
Kaioken Goku?
False Super Saiyan Goku?
Masako Nozawa Goku?
Sean Schemmel Goku?
Abridged Goku?
Dragon Ball Evolution Goku?
Ok, I'll stop there.:P
Then there's Pirate Goku and Ninja Goku!
Turles?
Don't forget Super Kaioken Goku!
@@MasakoX tfs gok... Ohh...
Ohhhhh found him.
MasakoX can we please have a version of naruto and/or one piece but with dragon ball character faces
Ssj2 and ssj4 will always be my personal favorites. Ssj4 just had all that primal Saiyan power encarnated in one form. I only wish it had either stayed shades of golden yellow or all red. No black hair
Mike Hunt
Agreed
Furry
I’m kidding I’m kidding
my favorite is SSJ4 because it brought you to your prime making you biologically immortal , was easier to maintain that SSJ1 so you can stay transformed indefinitely, it wasn't actually a Super Saiyan transformation, it was a Saiyan transformation, it had unlimited potential, and the only to get stronger at SSJ4 was to train in SSJ4.
MrAngelofflames I was just thinking “how to reword SSJ4” Because it never felt like a super saiyan to me. Thank you for the obvious in hindsight answer
Don’t you mean super saiyan god
I would not say it immortal I would say the Super Saiyan 4 transformation allows older Saiyans or Younger Saiyans to be Aged/Deaged to The Their Prime Years.
I feel once Goku and Vegeta are least 110 aka 50 in human Years.. They Could Rely more on SS4 as they grow Older
@@TheAlmightybane correct Super Saiyan 4 is not really get Super Saiyan transformation is a form that transcends the Super Saiyan branch and Oozaru Branch... only Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan blue surpass it in Power.
Matt Pac for sure it was the best part of GT. It’s also one of my fav. SSJ1, because of its icon. 2, because, well, Gohan. Then 4 because the appearance and that it was the only one that pushed Goku past his natural tendency to be a good guy into his hereditary compulsory destructive nature. SSJ1 did a little bit too, but nothing like 4. And I loved that it was a type of power he couldn’t tame at once. Vegeta didn’t have that problem ,this is speculation obviously, because he had a natural evolution into his more protagonistic role where goku literally got dropped on his head lol
But masako!
What about false super saiyan from the lord slug movie!
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FSSJ is just SSJ they just didn't know what the colors were as Goku didn't go SSJ in the manga yet nor were they told by Toriyama about anything
a pelican true but he included UI goku with grand priest outfit, that’s just UI goku twice, why not ssj twice? And false super saiyan even looks and acts quite different
I am the one human who actually kinda likes False Super Saiyan? I don't know why, I sort of like the idea you can have a form that almost but not quite gets there, a sort of Super Saiyan 1/2, or like some weird offshoot from the very start of the whole process? Something that is erratic and short-lived, not really dependable for a fight.
Does that make any kind of sense? ...It's like Gohan's rage boost made into a more formal and "refined' thing, sort of? But not really.
DelCaptain I actually quite liked it as well, it seems like a form of super saiyan with not the full power of normal ssj and the rage part takes over more than usual, that makes for the no pupils and violent ki that sticks to lord slugs hand after goku crushed it
You mean Champion Christmas?
This may come as a surprise, but I love the Great Ape (Oozaru) transformation. It was as unsettling, as it was impactful. Toriyama managed to achieve, and exceed the terror brought on by werewolves in the first place. It was a terrible secret that was kept away from him, primarily to spare him from grief. And keep in mind, Kami probably witnessed the destruction of Garlic Junior's castle, and what happened to Grandpa Gohan. Makes you wonder if he agreed to take Goku on out of remorse.
I really enjoyed the UI transformation, it isn't used as often, yet..., and the original transformation wasn't just a 'Boop, I can do that now', with no buildup...
You must be a new fan.
@@fruitfarmfactory7901 Well he has a point, UI is the only new transformation that didn't become commonly used and useless right after it showed up (unlike ssjg and ssjb).
I was more about the scope of super.
The original SSJ is still the best Imo.
UI is a technique, not a transformation
I'm personally not a fan of UI . Apart from the mushin stuff,it doesn't translate as something new on screen. You basically just have to imagine it in your head because they have TOLD you what it does . And neither does the animation nor choreography compliment it either. We've had crazy scenes with characters dodging at insane speeds since Z and even OG DB days like Goku vs Cell etc. Now just because they animate it in slow motion , play loud music in the background and tell you he's moving before thinking, I'm supposed to pretend something really impressive is going on on screen. Nah, It just doesn't pull me in .
Ginyu: I like dat body of yours!
*Two decades later*
Zamasu: Hm.. I'm intrigued by the body of this mortal.
"Next, Super Saiyan 3 Goku-"
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Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 4 are my favorite transformation in the DBZ Series.
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My favorites were Super Saiyan God and Ultra Instinct.
How Goku got SSG was very interesting, he was actually troubled in how he had to rely on his friends and family in order to achieve it. That was very fascinating for me. Plus it has that weird healing power that never got shown again in the series.
Ultra Instinct was really interesting in how Goku achieved it. He first achieved an incomplete version of it by accident then just completed it later. I love how he acts while in UI, quiet and focused. Only speaking when he needs to.
Your new intro is so much better than the old one!
ProbablyYess no
I prefer the OG
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Thank you, Masako.
That always bugged me a bit that whenever characters switch bodies, their voices go with them. Like it'd be impossible to remember there was a body swap otherwise.
2:19
U definitely got a point with that, his attitude and nature should reflect an air of wisdom under it.
I feel buu saga Goku was the closest to it
ss blue should have had a calm collected fighting style since to go there you had to calm your mind but they dropped that
Well, Vegeta got his new form which is basically more pride than calmness and Goku got his kaioken, which is like a flame on top of a leaf. Pretty strong but it destroys the leaf like Gokus body.
Without the calm before their new found and evolved powers of blue, they wouldn't be able to control it tho.
@@livingcheese2910 but they barely have any calm in those forms at all if anytging they should fight more fluently like whis
@@Excalis3344 God Forms are joke now, they are no diffrent from normal ssj forms except for the fact that they are stronger (but so are the opponents so it doesn't change anything, they still get their ass whooped even as ssjb most of the time) and have diffrent hair and aura color, it's just a super sayian with a hairdye.
In Battle of Gods ssjg was a big deal, a new level of power we have never seen before but later they got asspull ssjb so ssjg is useless now and all enemies caught up or surpassed those god forms so nothing really changed.
@@fly672 True. I always say that they should have sticked with ssjg. I think they did ssjb because blue was a more godly and calm color (edit: and for kaioken), but then they should have made ssjg in blue color in the first place, which they regret not doing.
@@Excalis3344 Well, the form is a dissappointment.
I prefer Ss 4 than ss blue
Andrew W. DragonballGTv.sDragonball super
Who doesnt
@@luketheproudsayainwarrior706 100 year future Goku would solo super.
Plain SSB Goku, yeah, but SSB Kaioken Goku is awesome imo
@@chriswells5302 Those who look more for consistency and simplicity than overblown fanfiction.
Never understood why people liked Super Saiyan Blue. I always thought it was boring but that's just my opinion. Not saying people shouldn't like it.
After all this time, I absolutely agree. Next week's discussion will be geared towards thinking of ways to fix SSB. :)
Because it's first appearance makes sense. What would come after God? God with SSJ. And who better to use it on then the very man who felt SSJs wrath.
If it is God and SSJ, Red and Yellow should make Orange hair.
Super Saiyan blue is one of my favorites in my opinion but I agree it needs a few tweeks
I totally disagree about SSG, UI and SSJ3 but you were mostly spot on for the others. SSJ4 Goku and Xeno Goku are best Goku.
Soooooo... What If a Saibaman turned good? Right guys 👍
Dbz tenkaichi tag team covers this
I don't think they have the brain capacity to think for themselves so that depends on who is commanding it
@HunterwithaMedkit you mean the ones that don't exist
I actually started referring to super sayain 4 as primal super sayain.
urahara64360 I mean you’re not wrong technically, but it does sound pretty good
Well it makes more sense. It's breaking down the barriers between the ozaru and sayain forms. Even the red coloring is representing of the primal sayain bloodlust.
urahara64360 I’m not disagreeing with you lol
I moreso refer to ssj4 and 5 as primal forms, but neither individually as such.
But it's got a good ring, maybe if ssj4 becomes cannon that's what theyll call it
@@preator_vallum6377 it is kinda canon ohkari
Yup, it is pretty apparent that you guys got Z before OG Dragon Ball when you leave out Oozaru. Great Ape Goku was pretty scary back in the day.
B. Catão in America we got dbz before DB
SSG and SSJ2 for me with a close SSJ4
Same lol
ss2 simply coz he threatened Shin
adhithram He threatened him in super saiyan 1 idiot
Cheeky Cage same with me
@@DBZ96587 no need to be mean
Can you make a video theorizing about Universe 1,5,8 and 12?
You mean universe 5? 1,5,8,12? Like the ones that were excluded from the tournament?
*Random question:* Would you play a game that was based on Saiyan's early history and you had to take control of the planet from the Tuffle's and Plantians people; travel the universe 'colonising' planets all the while your character rises up the ranks to become the Leader/King of the Saiyan race?
Hell yeah
Project Z DLC:
Salad Saga with King Vegeta father as the main character.
I honestly would get that in a heartbeat, that game sounds interesting and so long as you get to choose what you look like, what gender you are, and can choose who you side with once frieza shows up, it'd make for a pretty great game to play. Maybe even make it so that way at a certain part, you can save the planet/escape and have your own adventures in space, maybe even get to take part in the events of the story, but without the main cast of characters from the show so that way you dont have to compete with goku (that or make it so you can either eliminate them or befriend them and the story would change according to the choices you make)
Is it me or when goku changed into a super saiyen transformation, his voice gets deeper. What's that about.
You're right. I'm not 100% sure about the Masako Nozawa's performances, but Sean Schemmel gives each transformation a different voice. This is normally to represent a behavioral and/ or physical change in Goku.
Goku has way more development than people vive him credit for
Sorry i dont believe i can't recall any development
@@wavygames8585 then you remember wrong
He been the same character for 20+ years only change in his character is when he goes pass ssj
Only 2 characters had development vegeta and piccolo gohan underdeveloped the rest stayed the same
@@wavygames8585 kid goku punched a hole in piccolo, teen goku gave piccolo jr a senzu bean. That sounds like development to me
I liked Kaio-Ken Goku during the Saiyan Saga, but I guess that's more a technique then a form/transformation
Great video dude, brought up a lot of interesting points about each form.
For me my favourites are SSJ1, Kid Goku, SSJG and SSJ3. Yeah I said it, I didn't know that form was hated so much. Maybe it's just the nostalgia talking but I like the distinctive and bizarre look with the long hair, lightning and ridiculous power output. And at least with Goku's first use of it his demeanour was calm, assertive and serious with a lower tone of voice.
Base: 3/5
Great Ape: 2/5
Kaioken: 3.5/5
Super Saiyan: 5/5
Super Kaioken: 3/5
Super Saiyan 2: 2.5/5 (Looks almost no different from 1)
Super Saiyan 3: 5/5
Golden Ape: 5/5
Super Saiyan 4: 5/5
Super Saiyan God: 4/5
Super Saiyan Blue: 3.5/5
Blue Kaioken: 5/5
Mastered Blue: 4/5?
Ultra Instinct: 4/5
Complete Ultra Instinct: 10/5
Ui omen was far cooler and felt more special than Mui
@@thatoneguy4504 I personally think Completed UI is a lot cooler is all. Your opinion is also valid.
@Tiyler Winters SS3 Goku is cooler to me than SS2 Goku. That's all this was.
also the fact that super sayain 2 goku was just goku with lighting around him kinda makes the form a little less interesting, but that's my opinion
@@romram7984 The hair is also a little bit different, but it's not a significant enough difference to me.
Well, can't wait for MasakoX to recreate the SSJ3 power up scream in DBZA!
That will be amazing
Imagine him stopping in the middle lol
@@devonstidham9234 Like he starts up for a moment and then *pop* Super Saiyan 3 now
SuperPeytendo
Same here. It’s gonna be _epic!_
Who wants to break the news here?
Anyone?
Just like the last video i freakin love that Team Faulcouner piano medley playing in the background of your vid. Haven't listened to it in awhile.
Great video MasakoX
*Puts Goku Black*
*Forgets about Rose*
Yeah, I thought that was weird too, seeing as how of the two, Rosé is the only one that's an actual TRANSFORMATION....
I thought Rose was just his version of Super Saiyan Blue.
My personal list is:
Kaioken: 4/5
SSJ: 5/5
SSJ2: 3/5
SSJ3: 4/5
SSJ4: 2.6/5
SSJ God: 4/5
SSJ Blue: 3/5
Ultra Instinct: 5/5
SSJ Rose: 4/5
My personal is
Kaioken: 4/5
SSJ: 3/5
SSJ2: 2/5
SSJ3: 4/5
SSJ4: 3/5
SSG: 5/5
SSB: 2/5
UI Omen: 4/5
UI: 5/5
SSJR: 4/5
Only problem is, Kaioken's a technique, not a transformation; anyone Toriyama cared about enough could've learned to use it
SSJ: 5/5
SSj2: 4/5
SSJ3: 3/5
SSJ4: 5/5
SSJG: 2/5
SSJB: 0.1/5
UIO: 5/5
MUI: 3/5
SSJR: 2/5
Kid Goku is my favorite. It’s A classic, introduces us to the pure heart of the character, is a joy to watch on an adventure, innocence and I can go on and onward.
Ohh I love that thumbnail mate, that's a unique design and I really like it.
Hey Masako, can you do a character ranking of ALL the characters, perhaps in how deep a character is? For example, old Broly and Goku basically having no personality, but Vegeta being a super dynamic character.
Broly has more personality than you, though.
Off the top of my head my favorite Saiyan transformations are: Oozaru, Fruit of the Tree of Might, rage Broly, LSSJ, mystic gohan, kaioken, SSJ, super Vegeta, and SSJ4. they seem more unique to me and some have drawbacks. Better than palette swaps and just raw power boosts
kaioken and ultimate gohan aren’t saiyab forms and eating the fruit isn’t a form either
@@TheSwooj well yeah they aren't exclusive to Saiyans but that's who's used them. That's what I meant by that
So much better, more argumented and downright interesting than unscripted tierlists made to follow a trend. Great ;)
I actually love how UI Goku has 3D effects over a 2D image, and it actually looks artistically intentional. It's like an actual, otherworldly power that can't fully be comprehended.
Also I love super saiyan 3's design, even if it's completely storyline irrelevant. I think it looks kewl and I do not care to hear otherwise.
My list would be... {Without base forms}
1- SSJ, SSJ4 and UIO
2- SSJ3, SSJG, MUI {Manga}
3- SSJ2, SSJB
4- MUI {anime}, ASSJ
I had to put MUI twice because how was archived in the anime and manga is different, for me had more meaning in the manga regardless of the results, and feels more "Balanced" tho i like UIO more despite all.
Basic God is my fav. It's very relaxed and the crimson red is just beautiful. Not to mention, I am not a big fan of the super Saiyan hair and super bulky muscles and the edgy eyes.
It’s way up there for me. Was really upset how quickly it was outclassed.
ofrutsra
Same here. Super Saiyan God was made obsolete _way_ too fast.
i feel proud for masako being able to predict the grand priest connection... great job mate!
A transformation tier list would be great!
Wait... SSJ4 is multiplier on top of Golden Ape
Golden Ape multiples on top of SSJ3
so... SSJ4 >> Golden Ape >> SSJ3
But people say SSJ4 = 10x SSJ3 ???
Because people who believe that are just straight dumb or uneducated DB fans
Uh, what? Golden Great Ape has nothing to do with Super Saiyan 3. It's just the Super Saiyan version of the Great Ape form. Don't forget Vegeta used Golden Great Ape too and he never unlocked Super Saiyan 3.
@@CaptainScarLeg what I'm saying is that Golden Ape IS STRONGER than ssj3
@@danixmax9159 Right... I don't think anyone would argue with that based on what happened in GT. If your point is that people say Super Saiyan 4 has the same multiplier as Golden Great Ape, ignore them. Super Saiyan 4 has never had an official multiplier and multipliers haven't made sense in Dragon Ball for years anyway.
@@CaptainScarLeg It does have the same multiplier as Golden great ape, but ssj3 has nothing to do with it. It’s just Golden great ape condensed down into a human form, like Brolys wrathful form, but super saiyan
Super saiyan 4 is the true primal form/true potential of a saiyan
It's the worst form ever... And coming from what is basically a really shitty fanfic it makes total sense
@@daerovius7535 We're talking about SSJ4, not blue :P
Masako, I'm gonna be honest, the main thing keeping me from watching more of your content is the sheer NUMBER of ads on your videos.
I always loved SSJ2 Goku. It may be because it isn't used often, but I think the things I like the most are that it is fairly simple design-wise and it adds the little lightnings going around, which look badass.
I’d lean toward Kid/Teen Goku simply because (probably a terrible reason but) Dragon Ball is my favourite part of the story. Also my favourite Goku fights mostly consist of Kid/Teen Goku (specifically Goku vs Tenshinhan in the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai, which is my favourite fight in the entire franchise). As for Super Saiyan forms for Goku, I can’t decide between Super Saiyan, 4 & God since they’re all absolutely amazing.
My personal rating:
1. SSJ4 = 5/5
2. SSJ2 = 4.5/5
3. SSJ1= 4/5
4. UI = 3/5
5.SSJ3 = 3/5
6. SSB = 2.5/5
7. SSJG = 2/5
*You're goddamn right!*
God is good hallelujah 🙏🏿🙌🏾✝️
The other cool thing about the red god form is that it gives Goku the pallet usually associated with Son Wu Kong, the divinely superpowered monkey he is loosely based off of.
I think you should've done a tier list on either this or on the transformations we've seen throughout Dragonball
GT Goku > Super Goku. At least it made sense when he acted childish.
Im not the biggest super goku fan but in GT he is stil an adult
Speaking of Ginyu Goku...
What if Goku was stuck in Ginyu's body for the rest of the Namek saga?
Frieza kills everyone probably.
When I seen Goku ssj3 in Dbz Janemba movie for the first time during my childhood days. I went crazy hype jumping all over my room.
super saiyan and ultra instinct is my favourite forms, they show the serious side of goku which is rare to see but when seen it really is a treat, overall they both give you the reminder of why it's good that goku's good.
Let’s be honest....ssj4, ultra instinct omen, and god are easily the best lol also adult goku Gt is best goku
Yes
King Luno why omen
@@BobBob-ui6pm omen looks nicer, basically Omen looks like how Potential Unleashed should have looked, it's simple but alluring
Symbiote Veil exactly that actually. The white hair kinda throws the whole thing off for me. Just the silver eyes and aura makes it seem more divine i guess you can say with the way they were hyping it up leading up to it being mastered.
No he is not GT goku is trash
SS4 the best transformation out there for Goku. Second being semi-perfected Ultra Instinct
That Goku Black segment was brilliant and the best.
Masakox: so many goku's so few muffins.
Me: MUFFIN BUTTON.
i like Ginyu Goku because it represents Goku's power is a culmination of what he learned through all the years.
Also sine we're talking about Grandpriest Goku Xeno Goku is a 5/5
Wait so if Goku Black “counted” as a form of Goku, what about Turles?
@@HardinProuductionsOriginal GT is not canon either
@@pinolyzerproductionsinc.1062 Huh ok then. Thanks.
@@pinolyzerproductionsinc.1062 But Turles was designed to show the "evil" side of Goku . Like if he didn't became a gentle kid, he will become a Turles like guy
Turles is a.different character
visually I really like ultra instinct's look when it was just mastered with goku completely obscured by light. it gave the form an indescribable feeling that the gods kept stressing. but then the veil came off and left him with the silver aura he had the first time.
Nice to see Ssj4 at top and doing the Akuma Critical Raging Demon pose.
Where can I find the thumbnail art? It looks awesome!!!
What if Goku beat cell in the cell games
I'm surprised that Kaio-ken wasn't mentioned at all in this video, especially since it was the stepping stone for the transformations that would occur (outside of the Oozaru transformation), while also showcasing the pros and cons of power multiplication (at least during the Saiyan Saga and the Universe 6 Saga)
SSJ3, SSJG, and Ultra Instinct (Omen and mastered) are my personal favorite forms. Hope you're ready to read lol.
I like SSJ because it's iconic but it turned from a legendary transformation to a very common one. Basically the first step of new strength.
SSJ2 is alright. I mean it is pretty cool with Gohan, but he got older (Same for Goku and the others) it almost too similar to SSJ. It's a bit spikier, and has lighting effects. Probably because of the hair being short. Caulifla with SSJ2 looked pretty cool though. Probably because her long hair with her sharpen eyes helps distinguish the differences.
SSJ3 was the go to form for me back before Super. I know it's definitely considered useless now, but I looked at it as a risked factor. To me it was like the Kaioken of SSJ transformation. Also he only uses it when push comes to shove and treats the form as the last resort. (unlike a certain blue form). Also this form had me curious on how would it be like if he mastered this form.
Ok, SSJ4. *sigh* This form is boring to me. Yes yes I know it's "cool" because of how it looks and the concept...but that's all there is to it. Just looks... A powerup with a different look. My take is, if it looks really different why can't the form do something unique that truly makes it stands out from the previous transformations beside looks? How about make the form Magic based since the design is so close of being Sun Wukong? And give him the power pole back along with it? Potential Wasted.
SSJG was so cool when it was first shown in theater. I liked the method of achieving this form which brought some lore of the Sayians, Goku's reaction to the form was also great. Him had to adjust the new type of strength and speed he gain. (Unlike SSJ4 where he just used to right off the back).
SSJB...Well I can give it props that both Goku and Vegeta did trained to achieve this form and I liked how Goku could stack Kaioken along with it. But here comes the problems I have with the form. (Something other than the design) It didn't leave a good first impression. This form was supposed to be stronger than SSJG which hold it's own against Beerus at his 70% power (Plus the fact being trained by Whis), was getting beaten by Frieza's new form who only trained for 6 months. Not only that, Blue has been used so frequently in the show that it doesn't seem be special anymore. It's been commonly used too much.I don't exactly hate the form, I'm just disappointed on the direction they did with it.
Ultra Instinct both Omen and Mastered are my new absolute favorites. It's not exclusive to only Saiyans, but anyone can use. In fact I don't think it's considered a transformation but rather the state of being. It's something that is not easily achieve through normal means. I love the idea about the body moving on it's own without thinking. Also the fact that, just like SSJ3 except useful, it's more like a last resort type deal. As in, in a critical moment there might be chances of him being able to use the form.
So this is my take on the forms so far.
This practically identical to mine.
I can see this.
I know it's a bone of contention, but I have to agree with the opinion that SS2 Goku (and SS2 Vegeta) is quite possibly Goku's most boring and pointless iteration. Yes I know SS2 has it's fans, but it was really only ever special for Gohan, and only when he very first achieved it while fighting Cell. Heck, it wasn't even really a distinct transformation back then, just Gohan finally going all out, releasing the full potential of both SS combined with his own innate rage boost.
To me that's why Goku and Vegeta obtaining SS2 was always irrelevant. They never held back in the first place back like Gohan did, and so for them SS2 was just an unremarkable power up that added little no affect on either their personality or appearance. I think it's also rather telling that SS2 was never even really named as such until Goku was giving his speech about transformations to Babidi and Buu. It only ever really became the definitive second tier to set up the nomenclature for the soon to follow reveal of SS3.
Speaking of SS3, I'll also stand by the contentious opinion that it is one of the best "evolutions" out of all the SS variations. Whereas almost every other variation of SS is just a straight upgrade improving all of the saiyan's abelites and rendering all previous variations obsolete, SS3 has drawbacks and so can't just be used with reckless abandon. This is a trait it really only shares with Trunks' ultra power weighted variation of SS.
Completely agree with you on everything
SSJ4 is the best Transformation.
Thumbnail is *inhale* AMAZING
Yeah, Phil Vazquez is a talented upcoming artist who has contributed a lot of art for myself and other Dragon Ball communities. He provided this artwork during the art challenge for the Super finale last year; felt it was good to wheel this gem out again.
My favourite one is definently ssj 3. It still gives me chills watching the dub voice actor scream. And the design is so cool to lool at.
"So many gokus,so through muffin"
What if Bardock went Super Saiyan against Frieza when he was getting hit by Frieza's Death Ball?
Brenden Commo nothing different would probably happen. Yeah he gets a transformation but The power gap would still be there.
@@agarciahunter yeah but...think of how Frieza would react to that
Blue is my favorite form... I love the theme for it...I love how you have to be tranquil to reach it...but I agree with masako that the form doesn’t change their personality in any way
But Masako!
What about the OG technique that ascended dragon ball fans into the wave of screams? The Kaoken! You said it yourself, that it's a great technique, akin to a transformation
Loved the video
Ginyu-Goku, was that supposed to be 3 Muffins, or 3.5? You showed 3.5...
I'm gonna be that guy and say that SS4 is IMO one of the worst designed transformation for both Vegeta and Goku. And I am talking specifically how they are designed, not how thematically they work. The maroon fur on it's own really looks silly and in conjunction with the eye liner and longer hair, it just does way too much, not to mention is basically makes Goku unrecognizable. Then there is the color choices with the rest of the look, the piss colored pants just completely clashes with the fur. The blues of the waist band, wrist bands and ankle bands are two different shades of blue. It just lacks any real unity and feels like someone just slapped some color on it.
Vegeta's design isn't any better, mainly because of they opted to have his brown hair be more pronounced, and in conjunction with his red fur, navy blue jeans and lavender gloves it again feels like a hodgepodge of colors. Vegeta's design in GT in general was a major step down, regular clothing works as a one off thing, but Vegeta looks best in his regular Saiyan attire or the one that Bulma made for him.
Xeno Goku fixes the color problem by having a more unified color pallet, but that doesn't help that SS4 as whole just feels like an over designed mess. Vegeta really can't be saved though, even his Xeno version just looks silly in SS4.
finally, that guy.
Goku's fur isn't maroon, though. It's pinkish-red. Were you thinking of magenta?
But why be that guy?
I really liked SS2 as well. It seemed so under-appreciated and under-utilized, but I can understand why even Toriyama forgot about it. The most oddly interesting thing about it is also the thing that makes it forgettable: It looks so similar to the first super saiyan form. One of the reasons I recall hearing that more characters, namely Vegeta, were never shown achieving SS3 form was because Toriyama was afraid of making the characters' faces look too similar in that form. I'm not sure that was something that was as big a problem as he seemed to believe, but SS2 is very hard to see in characters like Vegeta. His hair looks the same in base form and SS form, though with blonde hair. SS2 though? Not distinct enough to really be noticeable for Vegeta, you need to look really carefully and just kinda let the story happen without thinking too much at other times.
I can transform into super saiyan by using stolen Toriyama's Yellow paint on my hair. ;)
WHAT IF GOKU MARRIED BULMA!!!!! IM NOT STOPING UNTIL YOU DO IT. RECOGNISE ME!!!!!
He said he's currently working in the script and will release it in early June 😊
He already has one Unless you are talking about the next part
@@thedankspider3887 next part
Lovely to see some Dragon Ball content.
If you do something like this again, maybe you could do fusions? Including the non canon ones of course otherwise it may be a short video.
Well, SSJ4 is obviously at -100/10, the other forms are between 7/10 and 10/10...
"so many Goku's, so little muffins." LMAO, best intro ever!!
I'm glad to see you guys cover SSJ2. Not many people talk about it, which sucks IMO. I do like SSJ2, so much in fact that despite him being able to use other Super Saiyan forms, I made SSJ2 the primary/main form of my saiyan OC.
The SSB colors in Broly were a MAAAAJOR upgrade! I loved it.
my personal top 3 -
3. Base Goku, first half of Z. its just a good character design and all around iconic
2. Super Saiyan 4/GT adult. Seeing kid goku again, but also him being more mature than ever and demonstrating a genuine concern for the wellbeing of others that was absent in other gokus is great, while keeping his usual attitude.
1. Super Saiyan god. Its so good that they showed a conflict within Goku about wanting to be stronger but only wanting it in an ethical way. It adds a neat level of depth to what was prior just a flat character.
I'll start off by saying that I hope this kind of video is done for Vegeta too, as I can see a lot of thought going into it.
As for my favorite Goku, SS4, for reasons that have already been stated.
My fav is Super saiyan 4 Goku, he looks so badass and Goku is more serious when being in that form. Remainds me of the days when Goku became first super saiyan towards Frieza being all serious.
Curious on your thoughts Masako, but could you do a what if super lead into Gt? It’d be neat to see a better story line of gt from your perspective, and if you actually are interested might I suggest having Goku try to teach Oob ultra instinct? It’d be weird considering he’s never been trained to fight yet, but maybe Goku realizes the key to ultra instinct is to not have a preset fighting style. Thanks in advance!
Hey cool vid, but my thing about ssjb is that yes it is tranquil on its own but goku and almost every other saiyan has trained to maintain ssj without any loss in stamina. Fpssj more like it. So we just never saw a change in the two because goku and vegeta aren’t angry in ssj like they were when they first transformed.