The Problem With All-Female Reboots
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- čas přidán 13. 04. 2022
- In this clip from Open Bar 10, we discuss the disastrous Paul Feig remake of Ghostbusters, why it failed so badly, and how it kickstarted the trend of all-female reboots of classic movies.
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I’m not against all female casts.
I’m against changing an existing franchise to an all female cast just to tick the woke box.
If you believe female are strong. Give them their own stories/shows/movies/etc.
Because an all female reboot shows that the studios don’t think that females can stand on their own without men laying the ground work before hand.
Funny things is.....its never worked
Pitch Perfect is a great example: primarily female cast and none of this backlash or discussion
Seriously, it’s as if they really don’t have faith in an all female cast unless it’s in an already established IP but that only alienates fans. Having said that, there’s an issue where you try an idea but it logistically doesn’t work (The 355).
Like we don’t already have awesome movies with essentially all-female casts? Isn’t that Steel Magnolias, Bette Midler’s entire oeuvre, hell, even movies like The Craft, Clueless, and Mean Girls? Some of those are incredibly strong and smart roles. What’s more, this sends the message that female roles aren’t cool or interesting unless they mimic male roles.
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"They don't realize the actual joke was that it took literal nuclear power to lift her fat ass off the ground."
That line by Rekeita was funnier than the entirety of that dumpster fire of a film.
Nick came up with a better joke for the film 6 years later than the entirety of the film's so called joke 6 years before
Nick is hilarious!
Definitely spit my drink out 😂
That was legit funny!
I couldn't believe what an absolute black hole of non-comedy that movie was. It's actively unfunny to an extreme I honestly didn't think was possible. The fact that Sony has buried this movie is so satisfying words cannot even describe it.
The problem with all female reboots is the same problem with most reboots in general: a bunch of uncreative, talentless hacks are trying to cash in on the work of others.
Yep. That’s definitely it.
Same problem with the Disney remakes.
@@chasehedges6775 Cinderella was the only good one and there's a special place in hell for Beauty and the Beast (2017).
@@georgeprchal3924 Cinderella 2015 was ok. Definitely agree with that… other remake you mentioned. Also, don’t forget that awful Lion King Remake
@@chasehedges6775 or Maleficent, "let's take a truly great villain and make her that sad woman who raises her ex's kid."
I’ll never forget when I went to see Venom. All the trailers played, like usual, and there was buzz for each one. Then the trailer for Ocean’s 8 played and the theater was dead silent except for like two people laughing about it.
The biggest problem with all female reboots is that nobody asked for them. That theater had men and women in it and nobody was interested in it.
Seeing that was eye opening, man. You know when you see something you don’t like and say, “Nobody wants to see that”? It’s a whole different ballgame when it gets proven to you in person that truly nobody wants to see that
The biggest sin O8 made was killing Danny Ocean. They did that so that the woman, Sandra, was now the best thief in the world and "beat the man". But the only way they could do that was by KILLING him. O8 is trash.
These reboots miss the point, *_namely that men and women are in fact different._* You simply cannot pretend that women's attributes are comparable to those of men, or that their limitations are even remotely the same. It's so nonsensical.
@@johnstrawb3521 the biggest mistake is that they think women are not interested in seeing men.
a lot of people loved the ocean movies... julia roberts and all... rehashing it like that was a stick in everybody' eye
Exactly the same happened when I went to see Deadpool 2 and the trailer for Oceans 8 popped up. A full cinema temperature dropped noticeably, At least 40% of the people in the room were female. It was worse than silenced. People just started talking amongst themselves, about 10 people got up and went to the toilet or to the foyer for a coke or whatever. You could look around and see after 5 seconds into (what was an incredibly long trailer) virtually no-one was looking at the screen. It was remarkable enough to experience that 4 years on I remember it vividly
The joke about Bree Larson being in the new die hard remake called "Try hard" had me dying and almost spitting my coffee out.
Problem is she wouldn't have to try hard. They would make her as untouchable as Steven Seagal in any movie he was in.
The fucked up part is there probably going to make this movie 😢 plz stop giving them ideas😂😂
Probably shouldn't have given them the idea
Imagine this 1) as a parody movie, maybe Naked Gun style. 2) And as a deliberate mockery of woke casting.
Hollywood is so bereft of talent and originality they just swap the bits between the actors legs and call it a day.
There is no originality at all, except in small doses
We're swiftly going in a direction where they won't even need to do that anymore, and they'll still call it an "all-girls" movie.
I’m sure there’s talented people who can create something original. Problem is that movie and TV execs don’t want original. They want to cash in on built in fan bases.
@@crowtservo exactly they want the built in fanbase, but don't want to give the fans what made them fans in the first place, they want some nebulous other audience, while giving fans the middle finger.
It’s all they can do. The people running these places now were hired for diversity tokenism, or for their politics, never on merit. So Hollywood is now run by uncreative, talentless people who literally can’t do anything more than this. They just don’t have the capability. This is all they can do.
The "All-Female Reboot" has an air of brattiness to it that I always found annoying. Not only does it show they don't have faith in female characters carrying their own stories, but the people behind them feel the need to act like spoiled brats. "Oh you don't like my reboot? Well it wasn't made for you!" Way to stand up for women while also sounding like you are going to run and tell on them.
When you hire undeserved and unearned individuals for positions, that is exactly the attitude you get. They didn't work hard to get where they are at, so their subpar product will rightfully be trashed. The cognitive dissonance about their own situation, that is the part that gets everyone. Your literally a subpar hire, you need to working your ass off the most now. Talking down to others, well then. I expect said hires to just the shut the hell up at that point and know your true place at that point.
"Mom says you have to let me in your clubhouse."
@@harbl99 Looking at the trailers for Ghostbusters: Answer The Call, it's more like Mom wants to be in the clubhouse and suck the coolness out of it.
Imagine an all male reboot of Sex in the City, or some RomCom. Not like a group of rich, successful, guys trolling for sex, but the same group looking for "Miss Right", pining over perceived slights and aping the women in the original series, but they're all men.
It would be, at best, a satirizing parody of the original but much more likely simply terrible.
@@jamesgollinger208 Isn't that Entourage?
The elevator scene in Ghostbusters shows the care and attention to detail that makes a work of art truly shine. Because the thing that makes the joke hilarious, even without the audience having to think about it, is that it’s Egon who backs away from the pack. Aside from playing the ultra straight man, the immediate preceding dialogue implies that Egon was the one doing most, if not all, of the design and testing. If anyone knows what a charging proton pack sounds like, it’s him. And to judge by his immediate reaction, it’s definitely *not* supposed to sound like that.
And the scene is fast Speed is usually funny
The reboot had absolutely zero subtext. Pretty much every scene just has characters literally shouting what they're thinking and what's going on in the scene. It's like it was written by children.
@@Strideo1 the director let them adlib assuming that they were actually funny but the scenes go on and on by bad comedians who are impressed with their own importance Ie the complaining about wontons in the soup What made them think that that was funny? And it goes on and on
According to the 1984 novelization of Ghostbusters Egon backed away from the pack since the radiation emanating from it was melting his teeth.
Thanks for highlighting the exact scene and same points that Drinker previously made in his video about the movie for people who may have missed it.
The main problem is that that movies have no passion or love anymore. And that characters, male or female, can no longer have any flaws/weaknesses/vulnerabilities whatsoever.
Everything is becoming woked and woker which at its heart is truly demonic antichrist and it corrupts and ruins.
No, the problem is that FEMALE characters can no longer have any flaws or vulnerabilities, and male characters can never be anything but completely stupid and incompetent. That is the problem. And male characters can also never be put into the position of defeating, teaching, training or being in any way superior to female characters either.
But yes, movies have no soul anymore at all. Nothing is original anymore, everything is a reboot or a sequel or a remake that pisses all over the original, and it's all just bullshit used to push a ridiculous and extremist political narrative.
That’s true for most of them nowadays but good movies are still being released, they just don’t have millions to throw away on marketing and fly under the radar. The average person only goes to see the blockbusters.
I wouldn't have problem if all females were White
@@John-Doe-Yo 💯
The original Ghostbusters came about because Dan Aykroyd had a passion for everything paranormal. The sequels and reboots came about because the studio had a passion for money. 'Nuff said.
Ghostbusters 2 is still highly praised though. So, even if it came about just because the studio likes money, it's then an example that cashing in can be done right.
@@beircheartaghaistin2332 Well, at least it was the original team, so there was likely some passion still there. Ghostbusters 2 is still a lot more cartoony than the first one.
@@johnsensebe3153 The first film had Slimer and Mr. Stay-puft. So, I don't really get what you mean by 'more cartoony'. I'd argue that neither were really all that light. Gozer, the key master, the gatekeeper, Vigo, even Janosz the nanny ghost were kinda dark lol
@@beircheartaghaistin2332 It's the general tone. There were ghosts in the first movie that were actually scary.
@@beircheartaghaistin2332 Louis Tully and Dana Barrett both act bizarrely in Ghostbusters, but they're just flunkies. Humans with their brains burnt out. But the threat is very real and we see things getting destroyed. When Vigo the Carpathian starts chewing on the scenery in Ghostbusters 2, he's supposed to be the primary villain and he's impossible to take seriously. The goo that fills the sewers is brightly coloured and makes toasters dance, and we never see it do anything particularly scary. If Vigo were only a flunky and the goo dissolved human flesh, then we'd have something maybe. Instead it was all a joke.
A choice to make a character more diverse is NEVER more important than making them watchable in a good film or show. If I have no investment in what makes that person tick, nothing else is going to matter. If your pitch for a movie is, "ooh, look how virtuous and decent we are for being diverse and brave!!" you haven't made a movie, you've made a political statement.
THIS MOVIE IS LITERALLY SAVING LIVES!
It's not even a political statement...it's a cynical lazy cash grab.
@@emhu2594 Badly disguised as a political statement. And ironically, the cash grab never works because people hate it.
@@emhu2594 It's basically the equivalent of those "blaxploitation" movies from the 1970s, where Hollywood decided to produce a lot of cheap films with all-black casts because they realized they could make money off the African-American audience. Films like that are important because they give minorities a chance to enter the job market (Samuel L Jackson's first film role was in a blaxploitation movie!), but they're not doing much in terms of advancing a particular point of view.
@Melvin Deeply See, I think this is true, and the producers knew it. I wonder if the choice of an all female cast (or any diversity casting) comes after they realize that the movie will likely be terrible. The casting then becomes a cudgel to get people to go and see it anyway, because if they liked the original but not the diverse reboot, they must be bigots.
as a straight, masculine man, these all-female reboots have made me appreciate old female-led movies more, even the likes of The Devil Wears Prada, Clueless, Legally Blonde, Mean Girls, etc. which are targeted more for women or girls and feature well-written feminine women. these reboots made me realize how femininity is also being vilified by claiming a woman is only "strong" if they act more like men and that feminine traits like empathy, intelligence, style, etc. are weak
You're not alone... Women led movies in the 80s and 90s showcased us with dignified femininity and strength through determination.
Nowadays women are just fem boys in wigs. 😖
@@arisel0v360 you realize theres more movies than the 5 female reboots ''nowadays'' right?
@@arisel0v360 well yea when I was a kid and watched aliens I rather be Ripley over Hicks, just seems like no one wants to learn from predecessors.
None of these movies are action or adventure movies... What on planet is this comparison... You realize female-lead comedy's and drama's and such are still being made right?
You also realize how dumb it sounds to say ''strong'' is acting like a man and ''intelligence, empathy, style'' is feminine? Like, how does this make any sense?
@@FrenkieWest32 I've seen most of these "post modern" feminist movies and honestly they're not my cup of tea, not based on character "gender" but due to the lack of story, continuity and creativity.
What's sad is, there are SO MANY examples where woman characters were awesome and proper.
- Buffy the Vampire Slayer
- Xena the Warrior Princess
- Ripley (Alien)
- Female Terminator
-...
One of my favorite examples is "Wait Until Dark" (1967). Audrey Hepburn plays a recently blinded woman who is terrorized by a trio of thugs while they search for a heroin-stuffed doll they believe is in her apartment. She ultimately beats them, not by going all commando on them, but by taking away the light, putting them at a disadvantage that allowed her to fight back.
Maybe if Hollywood looked a bit at what worked instead of doing remakes where they replace men with women. Because audiences like woman characters who are women, and not just reskinned men.
People in general like women characters.
Like, there was NEVER a shortage of strong female characters. Mileena, Samus Aran, Lara Croft, Baiken, basically any female from Blizzard properties, Jill Valentine, Cheryl Mason, etc etc etc. You name it. Games have HAD them for a long time and so have movies.
The problem is these wokists and their idea of "strong" is messed up. They think a "Strong" female character is an overly masculine, butch, bitchy woman with no respect for anyone but herself and has to have the men around her written as weak and stupid to prop them up. They aren't even allowed to be FEMININE. "Sexy" became bad at some point which LITERALLY diffuses the importance of a lot of these characters being women when paired with all these other traits.
In reality, you can leverage womanhood for legitimately strong character writing. Take Baiken for example. She is literally a one armed, one eyed Ronin and mercenary. She seeks revenge against the man who took her arm/eye and killed her clan. Now, she casts aside her womanhood in this revenge quest to fully commit herself to her goal, yes. However, the games emphasize the tragedy of this dedication by making her sex appeal stronger than ANY other character in the game. She is more of a woman than anyone else, yet that will never matter because she has resolved her role in life to that of a weapon. It is SAD. You emphasize with her because she is never going to know love, friends, or companionship and has likely lost her ability to perform any hobbies she once enjoyed. Her life is nothing but violence and misery; a character who lost most of what she had and then threw the rest away. And she is COMPELLING because of that. The sex appeal literally stops mattering the moment you take control of her and feel just how brutal and intense her playstyle is; her being a character that traps enemies like prey and subjects them to her pressure game.
Baiken is a fucking badass and any womanly appeal she has only further serves that feeling. She straight up could not be WRITTEN as a man.
Most of these Mary Sues though? They could be written as men, they'd just be equally boring. They are safe and take zero risks while falling into obnoxious archetypes that push audiences away from them rather than make them give a shit. And you can see how this writing mentality has retroactively RUINED characters like Lara Croft or Jill Valentine in their most recent games.
@@Impalingthorn Huzzah! Great examples. I'm not familiar with the characters, but I get it. The bad female characters are, they aren't just afraid to let them be female, they won't give them flaws, struggles, or any of the trappings of humanity that might make them interesting and engaging as characters.
You can go deeper into history and find the same, Torchy Blain, multiple characters in Maureen O'Hara s vast repertoire, plus "strong" female characters don't have to be action leads there are many other ways for a character to be strong
Now imagine a reboot of Die Hard with a 'strong female lead'. Or an all-female cast. Call it "Just Die Already".
It was called The Long Kiss Goodnight, it was pretty fun.
@@georgeprchal3924 now that was a good movie despite its director and lead (husband and wife). Not really “Die Hard” in any way unless you’re just calling every action movie with a hero “Die Hard”.
@@Or_else_it_gets_the_hose_again it's a non-traditional Christmas movie with Samuel L Jackson, so there's some similarities.
@@georgeprchal3924 ugh you are one of those. Die hards a movie that takes place during the holidays not a Christmas movie.
@@chrisscott3071 hence non-traditional. Though The Lion in Winter is the best one.
The problem with all-female reboots? They exist. Instead of creating a story that naturally and incidentally has a main female cast in it, they insisted on redoing a well known, well-liked movie with all women as the gimmick. The women being the gimmick isn't the problem, it's having a gimmick in a classic story to begin with.
@Fonky Fesh I disagree in this sense, my friend: If you're creating a story "that naturally and incidentally has a main female cast in it," then you're ignoring how and why and in what ways women are very, very different from men. If a character is incidentally female, then she is badly written.
@@johnstrawb3521 Yeah, that is the problem, it's like they don't realize that men and women are different. Even if you don't understand female psychology consciously, it's just not believable!
I don't know if it's political messaging or just incompetence, bit of both I guess..
I would have to disagree slightly. The problem is that women are a gimmick to them. They didn't have a script (let alone a good one) they just thought "put the wimmin-folk in it, it'll be a hit." And that seems to have been about as much thought as is put into most of these failed "all women reboots."
why could a female reboot not have a ''story that naturally and incidentally has a main female cast in it''?
@@FrenkieWest32 I think he means that women tend to do different things for different reasons than men, so the characters wouldn't just be "randomly" all women.
There was a romcom with Chris Pine, Tom Hardy, and Reese Witherspoon -- Pine and Hardy were cool spies, both pursuing Witherspoon (romantically, not to kill her) without blowing their cover ID's.
If you swapped all the sexes, the plot would look weird -- how often do you even HAVE female spies? And two attractive ones, both chasing one man? And the one man is trying to pick one, rather than just nailing both? Pine had an advantage because his cover job was cooler -- but a male Witherspoon wouldn't give a crap as long as female Pine was hot... or even not hot, but just available.
The whole plot changes, unless we force everyone into behavioral patterns that our experience of the world tells us are unnatural, or at least highly unlikely.
Then we have Ripley, who basically lives a man's life until becoming attached to Newt. Okay, career woman, no problem -- she's not hot enough to make that seem unlikely, and she acts the part of "officer first, woman second or third" well. But many in the audience would find her response to Newt odd if she was a man -- some would even find it creepy, if they have no experience of a healthy father-daughter relationship. And honestly, many men just suck at interacting with children, while most women are at least superficially good at it.
Vasquez's whole character is "woman who acts more manly than most men", so if you cast a male actor, the character instantly becomes utterly forgettable. Hudson is a boastful jerk who falls apart under pressure -- as a man, he is initially amusing, then disappointing. As a woman, he'd be initially irritating, then average.
We expect men and women to behave differently, be in different jobs, be treated differently, etc, based on actual life experience. It's challenging to write a character who genuinely could be either, especially if there's character development instead of just running and shooting. Most attempts either fail by making the character male or female, or by being a cipher that nobody cares about. Just casting a different actor doesn't remove this problem.
I have had some seriously heated discussion of this nature with my mom. Her arguments boil down to "well it's just a movie, it's not a big deal, and men have had it good for a good long while so why not give women a turn?"
To which I respond that it's not a fucking kindergarten see-saw where you take turns having fun. No one said you can't have women in franchises started by men. The main issue is the sense of entitlement and lack of respect, the belittling of popular figures out of sheer petulant envy and pettiness.
That’s how Bill Clinton got elected
You realize franchises are created and owned (and passed over to) individuals and companies right, not genders? The gender of the creators doesn't make other people of said gender more or less entitled to anything.
How is it more entitled to want a gender swap for a reboot than to want the same gender for a reboot?
@@FrenkieWest32 Your question is a strawman. They didn't say that.
Ramis wanted Groundhog's Day to be a comedy, Murray (who was going through a terrible divorce) wanted it to be a serious drama. Apparently Murray was just going through a really horrible period emotionally :(
Why not both.
@@chasehedges6775 Bingo. You can and probably should crack a joke at a funeral. Comedy in the absence of seriousness is just a cartoon for six year olds.
The scene with the curse, which was cut, and which explains why the events of the movie happened, was part of the "serious" version of the script AKA the original version of the script. it was serious before it was a comedy.
The original short film it was based on was grimly serious & that was fine, for a 15 minute piece. The levity of Groundhog Day was very welcome. Maybe Nolan should have done a serious version of this, instead of the turgid Tenet.
Instead, it failed at both. It's neither serious nor funny.
A movie that was original with likeable down to earth charismatic characters who save the city. With a decent script
and great special effects for its time! Now do the exact reverse and expecting a hit is peek Hollyweird.
Dont forget blame men when it fails!
@A Herald of War @Critical Drinker After Hours It also ignores that there is no ground for an all-female reboot. What's the basis for it when women in the West, on average, fare better than men in nearly every category relevant to well-being? In longevity, health, health care spending, homelessness, favoritism in the criminal justice system, education, the likelihood of attending college, violent crime victimization (men are overwhelming the primary victims of violence), alcoholism, drug addiction, workplace deaths (men die on the job 10 times as often as women), even in wages, where childless women between 20 and 40 outearn childless men in that age group $1.08 for every $1.00 earned.
What could possibly be the legitimate basis for a cast that tosses men and gives plum roles to women, when life already favors women to an extraordinary degree?
Ghostbusters 2016 was mostly Improv, makes me think they didn't really care about making a good Ghostbusters as much as making a good vehicle for them all, which it obviously failed to do
I feel like it was a lost opportunity. In the original movie, there's a line: "The franchise rights alone will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams". Considering the 'remake' was filmed in Boston, though they pretended it was New York City, why not just make it Boston? They have a history too. They could have used local folklore. At least it would have been its own thing.
Boston has a rich Irish past, so imagine Bostonian Ghostbusters chasing a Banshee. I feel robbed now.
I actually think that with a better script and better actresses that actually could have worked.
Holy crap if they really did lean into the whole Bostonian Irish angle, they really could have their own unique flavor
They actually managed to expand that concept in the comic books. The rookie from Ghostbusters the video game was actually given his own office in Chicago. It's particularly annoying that this stop/start shit keeps happening, but doing a complete and total reboot was it even bigger slap upside the head. Turning it into a feminist diatribe absolutely insulted the fans and damn near killed the franchise.
People with ideological causes tend to have this problem of understanding how reality functions. This is the reason why their stories don't fucking work.
@@ImpetuouslyInsane Earlier than that; the _Ghostbusters_ game for the Commodore 64 (and some others, but that was my system) had the hook that you were opening a new Ghostbusters franchise. You 'won' it by making enough money (catching ghosts and whatnot) to pay back the loans you'd taken out to open the business; next time you opened a franchise, they'd loan you more money, but while that sweet cherry red sports car could get you to the ghosts faster than Ecto 1 it couldn't carry as much gear and personnel.
I think it's time for a remake of 'driving miss daisey' titled 'driving miss shaneequa'. Where a kind young white man starts working as an uber driver for a bitter rich black woman who thinks that white men are privileged, evil and the source of all the worlds problems.
😂😂
Tbh, that could work if it
was done well.
Man, don't give Hollywood any ideas! They'll probably fast-track this one!
The driver has to be a gay, gender fluid driver.
LMAO that actually would have potential. I'm tired of hearing that black women are the most underprivileged group ever. XD
Problem #1 is it's pointless and tells you they care more about tokenism and virtue signaling than whether the end product is any good.
I like how James Rolfe the Angry Video Game Nerd outright refused to review the reboot. James is also the most apolitical CZcamsrs I know.
And he still caught flak for it.
I really admire James for that he is one of the youtube goats... If I think about I have been watching his content for over 15 years.
He seems an overall decent guy who just wants to make fun content
An all-male remake of _Mean_ _Girls_ would bomb too. FFS, this isn't rocket surgery, Hollywood.
That’s a perfect example. I would love to see that train wreck of a movie actually be made though.
Mean boys harass "Cody", Cody tracks them down one by one with his Zulu hunting skills and beats the snot out of them. He convinces the dumb one that he's shrunken the heads of the other two. 😁
The formula is simple: Ghostbusters is a horror film told through the point-of-view of a bunch of smart asses. That's it. It actually has some scary stuff in it, but because Vincent and company use humor as a defense mechanism, what you get is them mouthing off to demons. And it's brilliant.
Amazon bought Stargate.
With the Lord of the Rings Situation we have right now,
a Situation that hopefullychanges the broken Industry for Good,
i can only HOPE that when the Time comes that Stargate-Fans need to prove Guts, they do it. I hope they know that the Second SG-Trailers show Wokeness orr Gender-Ideologys or insult the Fans on purpose or such,
that the HARD; yes hard; Decision has to be made to stamp it into the Ground
and veen prefer No-Stargate to Terrible-Stargate.
I think it was either Drinker or Mauler who pointed out that Ghostbusters is actually a classic 'crazy business venture' story. Almost like any other crazy business venture story. Only in this case the venture is something so completely absurd that it infiltrates every scene. Rather like the movie 'Airplane', playing it fairly straight only underscores how ludicrous their activities are. Female Ghostbusters had the comediennes overacting and mugging for the camera in every scene. It completely spoils the joke of the setup by jumping up and down and saying, "THIS IS A JOKE NOW!"
"Laughs in The Descent"
Great film, all girl cast, no bullshit.
Good call.
That's a good movie.
I remember a cartoon called Extreme Ghostbusters where Egon was essentially training a new crew of Ghostbusters and in was a Puerto Rican, a goth girl, a highly academia black person and an wheelchair adrenaline junkie which came from all different points of New York. That formula alone would have done loads better than the 2016 reboot crap
Distinctive, fleshed-out characters who aren't BFFs all the time? _Madness_
I vaguely remember that cartoon. From what I can remember, it was very well-done.
@@DaDitka They also ramped up the horror elements and ghost designs a bit before being told to tone it down a notch or two XD
I love how lost the irony is on Hollywood people who out of one side of their mouth they’ll say “gender is a social construct” then turn around and do these all female reboots
It's because those represent different strains of thought and the latter do not understand the former.
I mean, gender *is* a social construct but I don’t think all female reboots exist because of that. They exist because they’re a lazy cynical way to try to make money.
@@warlordofbritannia actually no it isn’t a “social construct”
@@luket3452
Err, no-gender really is a social construct, just like race
Sex, which you might be thinking of, is quite different and mostly biological
@@warlordofbritannia no it actually isn’t no matter what your woke overlords tell you
When one is so driven to remake something for superficial reasons, the odds of success are not in one's favour. The desire to make it all-female came at the cost of good, smart writing, jokes and came across as mean-spirited. Such an irony as this film, like modern Dr Who could only exist because these ladies were standing on the backs of men. If you want an all-female cast, do it with something new, something that is character-focused, something that is well-written. Then cast the ladies.
Then you get Steel Magnolias and not Ghostbusters. 😏
Well said. I'm old enough to remember when Alien was released in 1979. Nobody shouted out "oh, look - what a strong woman", they liked the film because it was not entirely superficial and the characters were quite deep and interesting. These days, if you are a woman, you are defined purely by the fact that you are female. It goes no deeper than that.
I like what Nick said, i think he even stated he'd heard this before: What's great about Ghostbusters is, its these guys are *garbagemen* and they happen to have advanced degrees. It's really the core of the film, they are who they are.
Ray, Egon, Winston, and Venkman are before anything else smart guys who willing to work dirty jobs.
I mean the boat was really missed back in 2016, because it's literally hinted at in the opening 20 min of GB2, that the aliens were coming back to rule Earth in an offhand remark. That's your in continuity sequel direction, not just rehashing ghosts.
Or, heck, build off of the first movie where Peter talks about the franchise rights alone making them rich.
Build off of that, but make the plot its own thing existing in the already-built universe instead of just trying (and failing miserably) to rehash the original concept with new characters and telling the original to piss off.
I'll just put this thought here coz why not... I recently somehow ended up watching a Taiwanese series called Goldleaf. It's about the ups and downs of a tea factory in Taiwan in the 1940s and it was really good (though not much of it's in English). The main character is the factory owner's daughter and she's was a really likeable character, and not because she kicked ass and put all those men in their place. She had numerous failures and made misjudgements, she's softly-spoken and very feminine, but she pushes through hard times, is competent but not domineering, and is generally relatable and likable. After I'd watched the whole series, I realized that she was the best female character I've seen in recent years because the studio wasn't trying to make her a fucking invincible superhero.
Females in a cast never was the issue, although the loudmouths will scream that narrative to massage their fragile egos. It's the reasoning behind it that is the issue. Doing it to get the best movie is a lot different than "checkbox hunting" or sending a thinly veiled message.
Anime has "strong female characters" in spades, and many are beloved because how they contribute to the show working. No talking down, no virtue signalling, just making the product sell itself. Put simply, don't tell the audience, show them without treating us like a bunch of idiots.
There are talented actresses who can carry a movie.
Sandra Bullock, Drew Barrymore, Lucy Liu, to name a few.
I think your last line says it all. If there's one characteristic that carries through all of wokedom and drives people bonkers, it's their sense of entitled arrogance and manner of speaking to the rest of us as dogs in need of training. That carries through in their script writing, which is so heavy handed as to make even unimportant scenes cringe worthy and notable due to their feeling like someone is cramming propaganda down your gullet. Nothing makes modern Hollywood more unwatchable than that..
Yeah idiots like to confuse the issue by pretending people's problem is the female cast, the black actor, and this were all racists and sexists. But they know the problem is about 1/3 the characters and the disrespect aimed at something we love, 1/3 the baggage we KNOW at this point is coming with the race or sex swap, in and out if the film, and 1/3 the fact that it's fucking Hollywood, degenerate child grasping Hollywood, having the gall to lecture us and pretend they're virtuous for their racist views and we're scum for objecting to their faux moralizing bullshit. But Far Leftists are so convinced of their religion that they believe they know our motives and thoughts better than we do.
Was never an issue? This is taking it too far... On top of many reboots being lazy cash grab hacks, loads of people have this possessive attitude towards their favourite movies, and the reboot having girl instead of guy is blasphemy to them.
@sjoerd Well when the black character in a female Ghostbusters film is a LITERAL RACIST STEREOTYPE, in a franchise where the black character has NEVER been one or treated as one, yes I WILL call it "blasphemy".
Maybe you could make an all female Ghostbusters remake where the heroines are all cleaning lady or landlady types, then, rather than annoyingly self conscious comediennes.
The only film I ever watched back
to back in the cinema.
My big brother took me & it was such a buzz for me when the credits rolled and he looked at me smiling saying “shall we watch it again?” & we both sunk down in our seats :)
I have never seen the reboot & have no desire to. Those memories are precious and so is the film..to me anyway.
I honestly remember being Ghostbusters 2016 being the very start of this woke ass Hollywood mess. The customer is always wrong has been their main selling point. Opinions all of the sudden were ENFORCED.
To be fair, I don't want to assume their gender.
Sometimes it's difficult to tell anyways.
If their hairstyle and hair color looks normal then there is a high chance that they are normal women. But if not.... then all bets are off. :P
The main problem with all female reboots to me would be the actors behind the scene’s themselves. The ghost buster movie is such a perfect example you can see the actors trying to out funny each other and this leads to them just giving horrible lines and facial expressions. They wanted to prove they could make ghost busters funny with an all female cast and completely dropped the ball. Hollywood is ran by some morons I swear.
It doesn’t help when you have writers that aren’t as in tune to the original world that was created as the original writers were.
Apparently, there were scenes where Paul Feig actually yelled, "Be funny" at the cast instead of "action." The result of this was everyone trying to riff at the same time, rather than performing well a well written script with occasional ad libs. Of course, they didn't have a well written script, but that means Feig was hoping his actors could create something funny out of thin air.
I rarely blame the actors for a bad movie. The actor's job is to read the lines from the writers to the satisfaction of the director and executive producers. The fault always starts with the executive producers for choosing the writers and director.
The thing is that unless you’re a master at improv, you can barely be funny if the jokes aren’t written. Because Dan Aykroyd and Harold Ramis had years of training and had some talent beforehand, they were able to make both Ghostbusters movies funny with varying results. Kristen Wiig and Melissa McCarthy are funny, but it’s clear from the results that they aren’t very good at improv. Paul Feig yelling “Be funny” clearly didn’t work.
If your selling point is, "It's like the previous version, only with women instead of men" then your creativity is dead and you have nothing new to offer.
That is sooo accurate. 💯💯💯👍
I feel like after 2015 ended, we have just kept getting more mediocre and terrible content.
@@chasehedges6775 I feel like there is a good portion of people who are both obsessed and stuck in the year “2016”.
3:48: "It is a men's story 'Oh, ghosts are around? We build this nuclear reactor you wear on your back and we shoot rays at it'"
You know what, you nailed it there. The female ghostbusters don't do that, they want to be recognized as the intelligent, independent women they think they are. That is why they bust only one single ghost in the entire movie and they don't even get paid for it.
These queens are slaying....the enjoyment of entire films.
Pretty much
And you always manage to slay the one liners. xD
NO MORE GODS OR QUEENS, ONLY MAN
The Problem With All-Female Reboots is that INCELS get so butthurt.
Yo can you specify in the title whether it’s a clip or a script? You’re such a good writer that I don’t want to miss those in particular
Seconded.
@@JohnGardnerAlhadis If it’s on the “After Hours” channel, it’s a clip.
thirded. i like these types too. but i was juuuust thinking - damnn, wish that was a true vid
@@emmettturner9452 lately it’s been clips but there have been videos that weren’t from the podcast on this channel.
@@John-Doe-Yo You’re right… like that recent Tango and Cash video. I thought I was watching his main channel.
One of the very few remakes where they swapped genders was Battlestar Galactica. It worked because they never made a big deal about genders and they kept the characters personality pretty similar.
Well the quality of the remake was kept high with a compelling story and characters too, which happens less now
I do remember some initial backlash against Katie Sackhoff playing the part of Starbuck, but it seemed like it vanished pretty quickly when people actually watched the show and saw how good of a job she did in playing the part of a rogue starfighter pilot.
The original Ghostbusters was expert teamwork of setting up each other's jokes. The female Ghostbusters are 4 people yelling their "jokes" over each other.
It's like a reboot where Windows 10 says it just need to install an update, you reboot and it's installed Windows 8 for you.
Re: Murray v. Ramis: Murray was extremely difficult to everyone on set for Groundhog Day, including the crew (Andy McDowell claims he was always good to her). Ramis knew Murray was being difficult, but chalked it up to the diva-ism endemic in Hollywood, and especially with Murray. He also knew that Murray was going through a divorce (it would not be final until 1996) which made things even more complicated. Murray didn't even speak to Danny Rubin, the writer of the film. Murray even hired a "personal assistant" to act as ago-between him and Ramis. Except, the PA was deaf, only used sign-language, which nobody on set could speak, including Murray. The crew had enough and demanded that Ramis do something; he did, explaining to Murray that just because he was going through a difficult time, he had no right to take it out on everyone else. It only worked somewhat and according to Ramis' daughter in her book, there WAS a physical confrontation when Ramis threw Murray against a wall. Murray DID do reshoots (ironically, the first shot of the film is the last thing they filmed, weeks after central shooting closed). They ddi not speak again until Ramis' illness progressed.
TL;DR: Bill Murray kinda seems like a dick.
The best thing about the female Ghostbusters was Chris Hemsworth. If they'd just had the whole thing of Chris Hemsworth being a himbo while ghosts are running around NYC, it would have been a better movie, and likely would have done better with the fans.
The problem with all female reboots, is that they’re all female reboots.
Less flippantly, they’re just second-rate, gimmick rehashes. To make a successful one you’d have to come up with a remake idea that had a USP that wasn’t just 'all female'. Otherwise they’re just hollow copies.
You know what I call a movie starring Melissa McCarthy? ‘Box Office Poison’
Good one, you old chunk of coal
The woman peaked in Mike and Molly ... and for some reason behaves like she's a legend.
I call it unwatchable.
Thank you Drinker for all the entertainment, we ain't got much these days...
"People like Melissa Mccarthy"....no, no they don't.
So i guess the Pitch Meeting went a little something like this
"I've got it, Ghostbusters... but with women!"
"Incredible, it just writes itself, no seriously, save money, don't bother with a script"
_"Oh, saving money on scripts that write themselves is *tight!* "
I understood this reference.
@@PhantomFilmAustralia wow wow wow... wow ;D
@@MICKEYrenraw _"Well, OK then!"_
Back in the late70's they took "It's a Wonderful Life" and made a remake of it with a female lead and called it "It Happened One Christmas". It was... well... what you'd expect.
This gender swapping thing has been going on since the so-called sexual liberation of the 70s.
Wow imagine if there was Twitter back then lol. I never heard of that movie
Whats interesting to me is that I recently watched Legally Blonde which is feminist but never felt preachy, which I believe comes down to the balance of message vs Storytelling. Having messages can be very important to a story but now a days it's the meta message that's become more important than the actual storytelling which leads to gutted movies.
I actually enjoyed the 2016 Ghostbusters but understand the problem, especially in movies like Oceans 8, and neither held up to their original.
"Suck in the guts boys, we're the Ghostbusters!"
Only thing I disagree with is "people like Melissa McCarthy."
If the 2016 Ghostbusters movie wasn't a direct remake, but somehow a sequel with something like a handing-over from the old, worn-out crew to a new (coincidentally, all-women) crew and not belabouring every single damn gag, it might have been OK. But the studio didn't do that and we all know how that turned out.
I'm not against all female casts. I loved the "Where the Boys Aren't" franchise and I'm looking forward to an all female "Brokeback Mountain" in the future.
The problem is that every single man that interacts with them is made to look like any combination of stupid, ignorant, scared of them, weak, pathetic, evil, is beaten up by them, never stands up for himself.
The lack of strong empowered men in media is at such a level that if it was happening to female characters when women complain about the lack of strong females they would actually have a point.
Fun fact, when Bill Murray visited my home state of little Rhode Island a few years back he was doing Bill Murray things, including rushing the stage at a concert of a popular local band and jamming out on stage like a mad lad. One of my professors at the time was the band's trumpet player and he could tell some wild stories about Bill Murray shenanigans.
For the first minute, Az is absolutely perfectly positioned with that background.
On that Ghostbusters set, I did claim all the digital content (as I do, for times when I travel) but I did NOT claim the reboot digital film. Just 1, 2 and Afterlife.
I know I’m biased because I was born in 1980 and grew up with THE BEST women in movies aka “strong female lead”. Ellen Ripley. Sarah Conner. Princess F@&cking Leia! Hell even Sally Field in Not Without My Daughter was a stronger female lead than most the others these days. It’s just sad where it is now. I feel like we used to go on a journey with characters. Today they’re just shoved out and given everything they need to win without earning anything. Not just female characters either..
Clarice Starling in Silence of The Lambs. That heroic female doctor in Sean Connery's Outland.
"I gotta use the only two women the internet loves, otherwise what credibility does my argument have that good female characters exsist?!"
Buttercup from The Princess Bride is a stronger female character than most of the garbage we're getting today, and she was a "damsel in distress" archetype!
Not the greatest movie out there, but Miss Congeniality with Sandra Bullock also comes to mind when thinking of good female characters.
@@ryanharo9552 How come nobody mentions movies like Gravity, A Shape of Water, Joy, Hidden Figures, or Knives Out when good female lead movies are the discussion? It's always Ripley and Sarah Connor like good females never happened again or before.
Marilyn Monroe was a gangsta in whatever she was in. I feel Alien and Terminator ruined women since everyone just uses those two movies and nothing else as examples.
@@nosfonader8792 I didn't mention Sarah Connir or Ripley though? Not sure why you're replying to me. I was specifically trying to use examples that aren't commonly used.
I'm not saying the movies you listed are garbage, to be clear. Guess my real contention is with the "strong female characters" that are constantly being pushed by the main stream media and their cronies. Things like GB2016, not all modern female lead movies.
Still not sure why you went at me with Sarah and Ripley when I didn't mention them though.
The Descent was a decent all female horror movie.
I remember hearing around the time of Ghostbusters, they were considering an all-female remake of Lord of the Flies. William Golding once specifically said that would defeat the point of the story.
Piggy would be very differently done
An island full of 12-year-old girls who refuse to speak to each other?
Have you heard of "Yellowjackets?"
@@NJGuy1973 Ah, I didn't. But I see it came out last year. Sounds like a similar idea, yes.
"Do I need the Brie Larsen remake of die hard next?" "Try Hard". Literal gold!
I remember when it was about the strength/ bravery/ ability of the Character in the story. Not about the strength/ bravery / ability of a Gender in the world.
@trueblueprussian 23 I agree. The flaw in Smells' argument is that Hollywood will never again let an individual's story get in the way of THE MESSAGE
That's an analogy I never thought of. They're garbage men. Or specifically, they're exterminators. And they act like it too. Infact, it blends in very well because it's set in New York and ghost infestations parallels well with New Yorks rat problem at the time. And they treat their proton packs like normal exterminators realising their chemical is carcinogenic.
And that's where they worked in the comedy. Each character had their unique personalities bouncing off of each other in their business of pest control. Except the pests are ghosts.
The reboot completely missed the mark. They thought just by having the proton packs and ecto1 was enough to make it fit in as a Ghostbusters film. It wasn't. The humour was just arsing around humour while not taking everything serious. It didn't feel like exterminators doing shitty jobs, it felt like comedians doing a sketch about exterminators doing shitty jobs.
One of the biggest misses was by the writer and director. I don't know how they didn't understand that the formula that all of the ghostbusters were serious people, except Peter being the silly one. Yes, Ray and Egon were weird, but very serious. Obviously, Winston was the working man just looking for any job to put some food on the table, etc.
Then the director and writers come along and decide that all of the female leads should be silly characters. Peter works so well in the original movie because the other characters were serious. The 2016 remake just ended up being a clown feista. Well... that and being completely unable to come up with an original story. It's not homage when you copy seventy to ninety percent of the original movie.
The problem with all female robots is you have to oil the gears, make sure the electronics don't wear out, upgrade the software, and clean the spots that need to be cleaned very, very rigorously.....
It's an interesting point about sex and class... the "male approach" to learning that ghosts exist is to, essentially, set up an exterminator business... so they dress and act like they're fumigating cockroaches, turning a white-collar academic concept into a blue-collar job, and leading to a nice inversion where Winston - there for the interview in his best sports coat - is met by a group of PhDs, visibly exhausted and in dirty overalls, and slightly "icky" to him.
None of that works when gender-swapped, because the archetypes are different for women. I don't know what a "female approach" would be, perhaps trying to lay the ghosts to rest, but it'd be a completely different story and the class dynamics would be utterly different.
When they announced the cast and director, I was intrigued. I figured that the people who made Bridesmaids and The Heat could turn out a decent movie. Even avoiding any comparisons to the original, it just wasn't funny. I dry-chuckled maybe three or four times
I never quite understood the comedy of those movies, maybe a cultural gap I dunno, I thought Ghostbusters 2016 would be Facebook Mum's First Comedy the movie and when my daughter put us through it (she'd seen the efap movies and knew the extent of the horror) I could see I wasn't far off the mark.
Weirdest movie experience of my life, just endlessly asking "why are they dancing?" as my daughter cackled at my pained confusion.
I still do not know how people watched this back and said "this is the movie we wanted to make".
I think the biggest problem was the movie did not have a good/decent script to start from, the filming relied heavily on the actors doing improv. Go watch the Mr Plinkett review of Ghostbusters 2016 on the Redlettermedia channel it is brilliant.
@@nicolaasvanderkruk5029 Agreed. They tried to recreate what they did in Bridesmaids and I think that the need to get a family-friendly rating clipped their wings.
6:49 - "Do I need the Brie Larson remake of Die Hard next?" For fuck's sake, don't give them ideas!
Hey drinker when are we getting that Ghostbusters 2 video you talked about on your Ghostbusters 1 video?
The Drinker remains King
Why! Don’t know!
5:55 How do you fight the patriarchy? Simple, make better films than the patriarchy. The patriarchy is barely fighting back and it is still winning.
All female Saving Private Ryan and all female Full Metal Jacket. Those would probably end the trend right quick.
Earlier today I saw an article “Mile Morales must be the new MCU Spider-Man”. Like fine, I like the character too, but the entitlement of that headline turns me against you. That why changing characters to fit “THE MESSAGE” just doesn’t work.
I enjoy any video you're in, but I prefer the ones where you're on your own far more. I feel like most of your colleagues don't understand your humour & laugh out of obligation lol
I’m not against an all female cast. I just don’t want them added to existing franchises to tick diversity quota boxes. As a woman myself, I just want to see good female led movies that don’t exist to spread The Message and tell good stories. I also hate the man-hating. Female characters shouldn’t be built up at the expense of male characters. We got a lot of good female led movies back in the 80s and 90s. Modern Hollywood just doesn’t cut it. There’s no originality, no heart, and no soul in modern movies and shows.
The GB reboot was the beginning of the 'throw women at it and it'll be fine' phase in Hollywood. The biggest tragedy is that you can make all-female films (or mostly female films with men as the backdrop characters) but nobody seems to be able to write anymore. Instead of coming up with a new product, they try to rehash something that the producers think will come with a built-in fan base. This is why so many of the films from the past decade have been 'something 4; the final, FINAL journey'. If the previous film in the franchise made money, they're willing to bet the new one will too. The problem with that is that it gets really old really fast.
This topic deserves a full video
The best parts of Ghostbusters 2016 were when Kristen Wiig would get all flustered whenever she ran into Chris Hemsworth.
Literally the only part of the movie I remember 🤣🤣🤣🍿
It's not that it's all-female. All-female movies have the potential to be insanely sexy, positively uplifting and unbelievably entertaining. An all-female Ghostbusters or Avengers or Expendables or Fast and the Furious (hell, even a Jurassic Park or Terminator!) could absolutely work. The problem is that it's currently made by spiteful people who want to get revenge or make a point about "objectifying women" and the "patriarchy" and whatever is popular with Twitter. That's why the women in these films come off as repulsive, egotistical and unapproachable. Ironically, all-female reboots are a goldmine of untapped potential for making billions at the theater and creating a beloved, lasting legacy, it just has to be implemented properly. Japan could probably pull it off.
Yes repulsive. Mike amy schumerschumer
"Try Hard" was a very good line. Well done, Chrissie!
The Ghosbusters remake was undoubtedly the eye of the shitstorm we're still finding ourselves in six years later. There had been films that had divided their fanbase before (Man of Steel, the Star Wars prequels, the Hobbit trilogy to a lesser extent I suppose) but this is the one that initiated the conflict between Hollywood and its audience by making it political. Paul Feig and his ilk took advantage of the US presidential campaign to make us believe there is a cabal of -ists and -phobes hell bent on bringing down any type of content featuring prominent women. It's mind buggling that such an idiotic theory could have been a thing back then and still is to this day. In this regard, what should have been just an ill-conceived, ill-executed nothing remake of a classic 80's crowd-pleaser turned out to be a game changer, for all the wrong reasons.
Or just “The Problem with Reboots”. None of this is exclusive to women. How is putting on a proton pack and fighting ghosts a “men’s story”? Ghostbusters (2016) wasn’t even a gender swap. It’s not like they took Ray, Venkman, Spengler, and Winston, and made them into women. These were all original characters. It was a reboot. I agree that Ghostbusters (2016) isn’t a great movie. It has nothing to do with the fact that the leads are women though. It would’ve been the exact same if they were men
Well.. yes and no. I admit the writing and directing by Feig wasn't good and the plot was unoriginal. That would have remained the same. Also Feig (pretty much all romcoms for a very long time) was not a good director to try to use for a horror or action or action/horror film. But female actors (and esp with someone like Feig who is an avowed male feminist for 30 or so years now)are not treated the same way as male actors in terms of their characterizations in the films. And what I mean by that is that modern Hollywood farms hardly ever give their female protagonists weaknesses or character flaws (no matter how charming) and they always always have to look good, esp when compared to a man or men. The villainesses (rather few to begin with, Women are Wonderful or Women = Morality is a thing with so many people)can have flaws but those are usually excused with a sympathetic backstory (often, though admittedly not always the fault of some man or group of men) or with undeserved handicaps being placed in her way. Hollywood has been trending this way ever since "victim feminism" (or feminist neo victorianism) won starting in the early 2000's. Back then you still had some women who could survive actual obstacles and setbacks and still come out victorious. Ever since 2005 and esp since 2010 the vast vast majority of female protagonists have either been Mary Sues or morally unstained victims. Anyway, there is no way that Feig would have directed male actors like he did female ones.
I agree so strongly with your comment! That line about it being a men's movie annoyed me. Ridiculous.
@@remo27 Have you actually watched Ghostbusters (2016)? The females aren’t perfect characters. They’re all heavily flawed, and they act like bumbling idiots for a lot of the movie
Drinker, I love the material you been putting out on the second channel, however, mass uploading huge amounts of live stream clips is the number one way to kill your second channel. Your views here will slowly decline to nothing. I’ve seen it happen on multiple other channels and I don’t want to see it happen to you. Just a stern forewarning, in the slim chance you read this comment.
If I had the resources, I would make a film parodying all-female reboots. It would be titled "All-Female Hero Action Team." The protagonists would be a racially diverse all-female hero team (plus a semi-competent male sidekick) who go up against a group of evil old white men (plus a semi-competent female sidekick).
Additional screwy parts for my film idea would include having each character be played by someone of a different race (Black character played by an Asian actress, Asian played by a White actress, White played by a Black actress, etc.) and the grand finale being the wedding of the two semi-competent sidekicks, with the evil old white men being the groomsmen and the all-female hero team being the bridesmaids.
So, the movie they are all talking about at the beginning is Groundhog Day. Remis wanted a comedy, and had already pulled teeth so to speak with the writer of the original screenplay to tone down what was originally supposed to be a very dark and introspective film. Then Murray came in and wanted to take it back to that. The end result of course is a classic, and seems to be a bit of a compromise
Try writing original roles for woman ,, take a chance ..... but they won’t
That's right. We got WokeBusters because Bill Murray was Bill Murray.
False. He saved us from bad sequels for decades.
Can someone provide a link to the whole podcast ?
I think I found it.
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I totally agree with P.Davidson comment at the end... :D
Whenever you have an all female or all black cast it’s turn out to be a preachy message instead of attempting to tell a good story. It’s quite unfortunate that Hollywood squanders such opportunities on try to make us think opposed to just enjoying.
Well, people behind those tend to approach the movies the wrong way. They are not making a good movie with particular cast, they are forcing particular cast into a movie and that just does not work.
3:54 who’s the one in the bunny costume?
This movie really did a number on CD. Still smarting over it after all these years.
The main problem I see is that they can go for all-female reboots and yet tons of franchises are being made to do gender balance, sometimes to unnatural levels. Girls can have their own projects but they should let boys have their's too.
For example I see many saying the 2016 Ghostbusters was made as something for young girls of the newer era to enjoy more than older fans. That is fine, I don't mind female kids having a turn wanting the toy proton packs and cars, but then we get things like say, Thomas the Tank Engine 'retiring' Edward and Henry for new female characters because it was sexist having a mostly boy main cast. That to me could cause early years resentment, it's basically the equivelent of telling a kid "YOU have to share everything with your sister but she doesn't have to share a damn thing with you", tell that to them and that'll come off as pretty damn unfair.
In a vacuum, I thought the 2016 Ghostbusters was pretty good. But I guess too many people were holding it too close to the originals, so it's considered a flop. Which is fine, I get that logic. Final Fantasy: Spirits Within was a fine movie on its own, but because it had "Final Fantasy" attached to the title, it became a joke.
And Paul Feig & Judd Apatow (especially together) have some legit great movies to their credit. Bridesmaids was hilarious, and Spy was a fucking miracle. I'm also not against using an all-female cast for a movie, or even just changing one or two characters' race/gender, as long as it doesn't impact the *core identity* of that character. When they cast Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin for the 2003 Daredevil, I was like "yeah, that works".
But yeah, making changes to characters/stories just to fit/push "T H E M E S S A G E" is bogus. Rings of Power is going to bomb.
Ironically, when the comic character Kingpin was being created, the original idea was that he would be black, but that was changed because they didn't want to look like they were perpetuating the "blacks are criminals" stereotype.
But yeah, MCD as Kingpin was good. Too bad about the rest of the film, though. :P
@@imnohbody I feel like everything else about 2003 Daredevil was "era-appropriate". I remember the first time watching it, with some friends in the navy, and we were all like "damn, that's tight". It's really only cringe-y in retrospect (and even then, only some of the lines). I don't feel like anyone in particular did a bad job; Personally, I don't like Jennifer Garner, but I dunno who could've played Elektra at the time; and while that was technically my introduction to Colin Farrell, I liked his portrayal of Bullseye. But, dude can *NOT* pull off bald. And the soundtrack was a banger. It's got the only song by Fuel that I even kind of like; and Evanescence wasn't a meme yet (and Amy Lee was hot).
I’ll never not love watching the opening scene of The Suicide Squad
The point about how Ghostbusters was originally a blue-collar absurdist comedy, with the jumpsuits and everything, and that those things are typically blue-collar *_male_* specific, was a very good one. It makes me wonder whether, if someone in the planning stages had decided that the ladies would wear attire and equipment more reminiscent of a maid service rather than the jumpsuits etc, the film might not naturally have adapted to a more unique and appropriate tone.
Evolution was a fun Ghostbusters rehash, arguably a successor in the formula.
Some great scenes and lines "There's always time for a lubricant!"