Windows on Mac | 2 options tested
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- There are two options to run Windows on a Mac. In this video I show how to set up both, and then run some tests of dev tools, as well as some general comparisons.
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00:00 intro
00:45 intel mac setup
02:55 apple silicon mac setup
08:40 dev tools tests
11:15 further comparisons
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I just installed Windows 11 recently on 2 macs, one was a 2012 pre retina i5 2.5GHz, the other was a brand new MacPro with M3 Pro. Here is some insight:
Intel: you do not need bootcamp. I just installed an EFI version of Windows 11 from a key made with Rufus (turned of TPM), then used Brigadeer to get the Apple Bootcamp support package. The Bootcamp drivers do not support EFI, so weird stuff like sound doesn;t work, but if you install OpenCore Legacy Patcher and boot using it instead of the default Mac boot menu, you will end up with a working system, sound included.
For the M3 Pro - I used VMWare Player. It now does exactly what Parallels does - you can install Windows 11 directly in the setup wizard for a new VM, and it also installs all of the basic support, so it doesn't need the additions to get networking etc. I guess the only thing Parallels has is allowing "confluence" mode, but I would rather use VMWare with a free personal license for the small amount of Windows I need to do rather than pay the Parallels cost every year. If I need more Windows and can't use VMWare because of licensing, I can also switch to UTM.
Sorry this video and test is invalid because you didn’t use the Schwarzenegger ;)
you can select in macOs which OS to boot with and you can select in each OS "restart with Win/macOs" ;)
Instead of repeatedly pressing option key, you need to keep it pressed. Also the easier option is to use the boot camp assistant in windows tray and click on restart in macOS. This will directly set macOS your default boot OS.
thx. i’m a bootnoob
Holding the option key also let’s you choose another drive to boot from, such as a flash drive.
so, when running Parallels on a Macbook, and then running Windows 11 on a Macbook, you are at the same time running two operating systems, on a Macbook, one Mac OS and a Windows 11 one? Don't these two OS' on the same Mac laptop interfere with each other, ie, slow down their operations?
Would someone who needs to use Windows based applications, programs , be better off buying a Windows OS based laptop or computer?
@@AZisk niggling
@@hkloss11 windows runs in a virtual machine. For all intents and purposes, windows sees its machine however parallels portrays itself to windows. The only real instances of conflicts of which I’m aware would be sharing usb devices and such.
I have fond memories of being in middle school/high school in 2009/2010 installing windows on my iMac and 13" macbook pro for light gaming and modding. Wayyyy back lmao
Great demonstration of the differences between native and virtual Windows systems. Thanks!
Thank you for posting this! Great video!
Love using Parallels for this. I keep Windows mostly separate except for sharing one folder. In addition, because I don't like certain products on my Mac side, I just use them on Windows and it works seamlessly. For me, I also recommend more than 16GB memory, or you will run into pressure.
Back in the day, I installed Windows on my bootcamp and VMWare offered to make a virtual machine from the bootcamp installation. It was best of both worlds because I used it as a Virtual machine daily, which is a better experience for productivity. But I could boot in windows if needed raw performance, which meant gaming.
Hi Alex, what are your thoughts on doing a comparison between Parallel's and some of the free options such as UTM and if they're even worth exploring...
Very nice demonstration, good video
I had no idea a video like this existed! thank you!
I'm a multiplatform app developer.
I'm developing on a Windows PC and an Intel iMac.
However, this has become a hassle and I would like to develop applications for Windows and MacOS on a single Mac (Apple Silicon).
This test was very helpful!
Thank you vecy much !!
the only practical, fun to watch and quality content channel I follow. usually people talk about photo & video editing & does not make sense to a lot of people who are not into that.
I need to work in MATLAB tool. I am not sure whether to buy Apple silicon series coz I have license for x86 app which works in intel machine only and not sure whether that would work on virtual machine inside MacOS.
(Note: I already have intel MacBook pro which is very slow and looking for upgrade.)
You have to plugin the charger to get full performance on the Boot Camp machine, otherwise you will get a lower performance (to save battery). Also, you can access the Mac partition from Windows with some extra software install, so you don't need to restart the machine and use a USB drive to exchange files.
UTM is able to install and run Windows 11 now. I installed it and so far everything I’ve tried works well. It is ARM based Windows, whatever Microsoft calls their version of Rosetta is working well for me, for a couple of things I tried. I was able to share the Mac host machine drive as drive Z. It is using 5 or 6 cores from the host so it is quite speedy
So will Parallels let me install it on all 5 of my computers with just one license like VMware Fusion does?
12:24 - if secure boot isn't on it is possible to get the Windows host's files via /Volumes/ right?
I upgraded my Intel MacBook Pro 13 with 8th i7 core processor Bootcamp Windows 10 to 11 and was also able to install WSL2 GUI and Windows Subsystem for Android. I had to jump through some hoops to do the initial upgrade to Windows 11, but thereafter I used group policy to force the 21H2, 22H2 updates. In the end, I got rid of my Intel MacBook Pro, because performance of Intel Bootcamp Windows 11 was so slow compared with running Windows 11 as a VM under Parallels on my M2 MacBook Pro 13! The same group policy approach, as documented on Parallel's support site, also works to force the 23H2 update if not offered via Windows update.
I have a late 2016 MacBook Pro with dual boot (bootcamp) with windows 11 23H2 and os Ventura (OpenCore) and is works like a charm. You have to install win 10 with bootcamp and then upgrade to win 11, so you can have win 11 with bootcamp.
You can parallels on the boot camp system and run boot camp partition in parallel. You can also see the Mac files in windows if you just install the software that lets you see it same on the Mac side to see ntfs.
i am very busy on a m1 silicon mac in stable diffusion, could a parallels windows version connect to a nvidia rtx EGpu via thunderbolt 4? or is this a silly idea?
Can you Test Siemens NX with many parts inside how is the difference?
I'd love to see the storage performance metrics to see what part it plays in the startup of the OS and apps
Boot Camp is the one feature that I really miss since I moved to Apple silicon. I have some legacy x86 software that I still use and Windows on Parallels won't run them. My final solution was to buy one of those Dell Optiplex desktops you see all over eBay and soup it up. Not only can I run my old software, I can play my Steam games.
Had to set up Windows on my Apple Silicon Mac just few days ago, and used free UTM software. Seems to work!
coherence mode is worth mentioning and showing. it basically let's you start windows app and have them on your macos desktop next to your macos apps' window
I used to like coherence mode, now its just cumbersome. I would like macOS and Windows on separate spaces like in this video.
A good point though.
yes, i didn’t mention it here, but good addition. I mentioned it a few times in my other vids on Parallels
Could you compare apples with apples? I.e. Intel with parallels Windows and M3 with parallels Windows? I am still on the former and wish to know what I'd get if I ditched Intel.
Nice comparision @Azisk. I have the intel macbook pro high end customized version - i9, 2 TB SSD, 64 GB RAM. I'm thinking of using parallels for windows on macbook. However, should I go for the subscripton or one time payment?
onetime payement is like 20 buck difference
You could also install only Windows on an Intel Mac. You will need to use brigadier to install the Mac drivers on windows though after installing the OS.
And if you by pass the requirement for TPM when creating Windows 11 bootable using rufus, you could get the Windows 11 installed as well - as a clean install - without macOS
Did you try a Windows 10/11 on Arm ISO on the M-series Macbook? You can install any non-macOS operating system on a Mac the same way as on an Intel machine I believe (I do not own one)
Hi there,
I'm Krish. Your video is really helpful. I searched a lot on CZcams but couldn't find what I needed until I watched your video. Thank you! I have a question though. I bought a refurbished MacBook Air 2019, and it looks brand new. When I tried to update it to Sonoma, it became very slow and choppy. Could you make a video explaining this issue, or suggest a better version of macOS? This is my first time using a Mac, so I'm a bit lost. Thanks!
Why not UTM ? allows to run both intel and ARM windows on Apple silicon. It's qemu based.
Thats what i'm using. awesome, fast and free!
Do i need to purchase another license key for windows 10 if i want to use bootcamp on my mac?
I use my i9 16" macbook pro at work for FireCad. a Fire Alarm Design software based on Autocad. The 13" M1 I have doesn't cut it running FireCAD on Windows 11 Parallels. I'm hoping the M3 Max will make a huge difference with Parallels.
Great Video! I’m not sure if there was said in the video. I do remember when I had an intel based Mac and a boot camp partition, VMware fusion was able to use that partition as a virtual machine while you were on the macOS side. That way I could share files and other things before I booted my Intel Mac to the windows partition when I need too.
Can used parallel in I pad M1 M2 chip.
Amd used multiple os simullteniously
As a .NET developer considering a MBP, could you tell me if the following will work on Parallels + Win11 for ARM:
- .NET Framework
- SSMS
- SQL server developer edition
Thanks! Your videos are highly appreciated.
I found it needlessly complicated especially if you have complex docker build sequences with lots of image dependencies. Some have arm versions some don’t and if you develop locally with ARM and deploy to X86 servers it becomes extremely painful.
If I'm using Windows with parallels on an m3 iMac, and I connect a Linux laptop through Thunderbolt to the iMac, could I use the iMac as an external display on the Windows Window running on the iMac?
It would be interesting to compare Parallels on the Intel Mac as well as the M3 machine.
Hi! Could someone help me out, please? I just start a course of industrial drafting, and I found out I need to run the software Revit, Autocad and also Tekla. But all of them just run in windows. Could I keep with my m2 and get windows to run easily those software? Thanks
Could you please make comparison between latest VMware Fusion (or the free! VMware Fusion Player) with Parallels on Apple Silicon? Although this episode is not sponsored by Parallels you seem too much biased towards it because you rarely mention/test VMware, where latest version (13.5) seem to run pretty well
I've been using bootcamp windows 11 for two years now and have had no issues. While not officially supported, it works just as well as win10. You can even do a hacky workaround and boot it off an external drive. This worked, but the speed was not great. The best thing I ever did for my 2019 minimum spec macbook was install windows 11 on the internal drive (128GB) and Monterey on an external USB3.2 NVMe enclosure (500GB)
can i use all my storage for windows, or whats the maximum?
Hi Alex. Nice comparison. What model and configuration is the Mac?
thx. 2019 core i9 32GB vs 2023 m3 max 64GB
SSD size? For sale? M@@AZisk
Vmware fusion have full graphic acceleration even for apple chip and it is completely free for personal use
Great Content.
thx 🙏
Hi, nice video and comparison. Thx for your hard work on CZcams !!
Sometimes unfortunately you have to compile for native x64 or drive some hardware(usb) and you need to stay on an intel mac.
One more thing, parallels run also well on the intel version and can start directly you bootcamp windows partition. It s slower than an Mx Mac of course but convenient on some use cases. I am still trying to migrate all my windows + mac devs on my M2 Max… but not so easy 😅
You didn't mentioned battery backup while using windows on Mac
How much we get approximately?
can i connect 2 macbooks to combine cpu gpu :)?
How much GB Windows 10 takes before installing any software?
Thank you Alex! I was going to buy Parallels but where to apply your code on their site? The link doesn't seem to work either🙁
use the link in the pinned comment- no code required until march - right now sale is 15% without special code
I've had my 2018 MBP dual booted w/boot camp for quite awhile now (whenever Epic started their fight w/Apple. Yes I mostly have the dual boot to play Fortnite w/my kids), but I have mine setup to default boot into Mac and then holding option gives me the choice of which. It isn't perfect, sometimes it doesn't trigger. I have a 14" MBP M3 Pro coming Wednesday tho, so I will be investigating the Parallel's method. I'm back in school working ona degree, so I think I can get Paralleles for half price w/student rate. I'm currently in a free year for PyCharm :)
All of the legacy windows intel apps I need work fine on Windows 11 for ARM thanks for the built in x64 emulation (similar to Rosetta 2 on macOS). Parallels coherence mode even makes them seamless.
Really?! Do all the x64 apps work fine without any occasional crashes?
Are you able to run dotnet core 3.1 and 4.5 (asp) on parallels? Been finding some solutions as to how to run my legacy code
I've played an old 2002 windows game on parallels, definitely wasn't an arm version and ran good
Any experience with the old .NET Framework stuff? As a consultant I need to be able to run that.
Was hoping to see more about this emulator in action. Perhaps in another video? 😅
The x64 apps work well on Windows 11 ARM on my side. I've tested both Arm64 and x64 versions of VSCode, and both work. I think it emulates x64 apps automatically
I just picked up an M3 Max and one thing that doesn't work in Parallels is MS SQL server which I need for Visual Studio 2020. However, it was really simple to create a Docker container on the Mac side running SQL server and can connect to it from Windows just as if it was in the VM.
Using sonification in your videos, I think I like it!
thanks! not familiar with that term.
How about doing a Windows 10 comparison video on native (bootcamp) vs VMware Fusion? VMware also would allow you to install Windows 11 and I just heard that VMware Fusion 13 Pro is now free.
I am still using the latest version of VMware Fusion on the mac mini M2 pro, its free 🤷♂️
I wonder if ARR Windows will run Unreal Engine?
Can we appreciate how much high quality content this guy posts.
Hi, the boot camp on my MacBook Pro M1 isn't working. How can I activate it to install Windows 10? I will try Paralles Desktop
you dont need bootcamp you can instert the instalation media on intel mac and it supports also windows 11 y had windows 11 on a macbook pro mid 2010
So I just bought a MacBook Pro m3 Max, I used to use a Windows machine and work on FL Studio. Now I realized that there’s a ton of plugins I can’t “borrow”…Is it worth it to run windows on a Mac to be able to work the way I used to on my PC laptop? Thank you!
I am against “borrowing”, and slowly buying all of the official versions.
I have a lot of experience using virtual machines and Boot Camp as well as Parallels. As I have mentioned in previous videos, I am a developer and I can tell you that I have used Parallels on a MacBook Pro 16" with the M1 Pro chip and it works perfectly. HOWEVER, as you rightly said in your video, you need to have ARM compatibility, otherwise the programs will not work at all. Unfortunately, compatibility with Apple silicon is quite limited for programs used in Windows. The idea of using a virtual machine with Windows is the COMPATIBILITY THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE WITH MACOS. Unlike using Boot Camp, which in my personal opinion has 100% compatibility because it uses Intel processors. Perhaps it is a headache to restart and boot the operating system, but it is something that has greater compatibility when using programs, for example, BIZAGI, which is a Process Modeler and BPM Suite. Regards, Alex from Chile
is bizagi not working under windows arm x64 emulation ?
If I were a business student wanting to switch to electrical engineering do you think that parallels would be ok on my 16 inch m2 pro? I hope that it could run things such as CAD as I heard it doesn’t work natively.
great video , is WSL2 avaliable on windown ARM version ? ,
it would be great to see a comparison of ML task performance on native linux, WSL2, native silicon and WSL2 on apple silicon
only WSL 1 is available on Windows for ARM (unfortunately 😞)
Parallels doesn't support nested virtualization for Apple Silicon
Why do you need WSL2 when you can directly virtualize Linux in Parallels? You can still do all the same stuff that way like use VSCode in SSH remote mode.
Another option to use Windows on a Mac is with Remote Desktop. You need to have access to another physical Windows PC, but many Mac Users have a Windows PC for gaming. As with the virtual machine you can jump to Windows with a simple mouse gesture.
Can this emulate windows xp ?! To enjoy classic games ?
Please review UTM
Great video. However, there is parallels for the intel macs! That would be an equivalent comparison.
@AZisk .. Regarding Windows 11 on Parallels, have you noticed that windows service (Plug and Play) is missing? I tried a clean install for Windows 11 on Parallels and it is missing. I don't know why, but that is causing some issues for me.
I haven’t noticed that specific service missing, but I know when I plug something in (like usb, camera, mic) they just work. Perhaps Parallels is abstracting that service.
@@AZisk First, thanks for the reply, much appreciated ☺. Second, true when any accessory is plugged, it works immediately. But in my case, it seems that I need that service to be shown explicitly. To be more clear, I was trying to imtegrate with cloud HSM, so I need to install the proper software on Windows, which installs Windows services. Unfortunately these services didn't start, as the main service requires Plug and Play to be running. I double checked using "SC.EXE QC " command and Plug and Play was listed as a dependency. Weirdly enough, that specific service isn't listed anywhere on Windows 11 ARM. I really don't know if it is related to Windows 11 ARM or Parallels. The service is available in normal Windows 11 laptop. It is very weird and niche situation I am facing. I just wanted to share my experience with you, hoping you might have faced it before or even have a solution to it 😁. Sorry for the long comment and really appreciate your response as well as your awesome content 🤗
@@AZisk Thanks for your repsonse, much appreciated. That is correct, whenever there is an accessory plugged, it works properly. But that service isn't listed explicity and in my case, I was trying to test HSM integration and the service for the HSM need the Plug and Play service to be runnnig and it is actually missing. I checked normaly Windows 11 laptop and the service is there, it is only missing on Windows 11 ARM on Parallets. Pretty weird and I haven't found any workaround for that.
on my intel Mac i always loaded windows to bootcamp and then pointed Parallels to bootcamp so i can do either option.
One thing you have to consider is that with a "native" installation on bootcamp you can run simulators on windows with no issues, while if you are already using windows on a VM like you do with Parallel then I am not sure you can run another VM over the VM to run your phone simulators ...
I also wonder how containers run in a Parallel Windows VM...
you can’t do nested virtualization with this setup
@@AZisk that's actually quite a BIG DEAL. I wish Apple would reintroduce Bootcamp for Windows on ARM...
Parallels does not fully support all Windows programs, for example, Nvidia simulation programs. I hope your method will work.
However, you mentioned that this Boot Camp works on Intel systems, but my Apple Mac Studio Ultra uses Silicon Graphics.
I’m not sure if it will work on my Mac.
bootcamp only works on intel machines
whats the performance if you run parallels on the intel mac with windows compared to parallels on the arm box would be a better comparison
that would indeed be a good test. i’ll consider doing it in the future
@AZisk yeah.. that seems like an interesting comparison.
Also, I was pretty uncomfortable when you were pressing down the alt key repeatedly.. it's simple method of keeping it pressed which I know since forever so was surprised you didn't know it. But yeah, it's possible your workflow never required doing it
I used to multiple ways to run vm on Intel Mac before, Parallels is best. However, switching to Macbook Air M2, its not worth paying Parallels anymore as I can no longer run Windows with it. There are multiple options for Linux vm.
Can Parallels on Apple Silicon Macs run x86 apps at all? The main reason I'm hanging on to my 2019 16" Intel MacBook Pro is because I play a few games on it while I travel.
Crossover would be the better method to run x86 games on Apple Silicon
So if i want to run Power BI in the virtual windows on apple silicon m series, i need to install windows arm version ? But PBI doesnt have windows arm version as far as i know
the windows arm version has a x86 emulation feature to run x86 apps
@@18PregnantAndProud so it will run just fine when istalling pbi in virtual windows in paralles ? Is there any performance issue ?
Whats's the best alternative to Parallels that you can purchase one time?
you can purchase Parallels one time, doesn't have to be a subscription
@@YousefHaidaryIsn't the Parallels brand a subscription model? What are your suggestions?
@@Victor-ze3sd you can subscribe to get future updates or buy 1 time without updates for like 120$ i believe
I did trial of parallels 19 on my iMac M3. Only have 8GB ram. So it only did 4GB for Windows 11. It was ok and actually fast. Although I really am not liking Mac dock or top menu bar, it's annoying. I just want Windows 11 PC again as it's easier to use overall.
Might have been a bit more enlightening to compare Parallels for Intel and Parallels for Apple Silicon. Parallels on Intel has all the same advantages of virtualization like snapshots and cloning, without most of the downsides since it runs x86-64 Windows.
Great video! But let me get this right: ALL software on the M3 Mac has to be designed for Windows on ARM??? So if I had some old x86 software, it wouldn't run? That would SUCK.
Not all software has to be ARM, but then you’re looking at running through a translation layer, which has a big impact on performance
but no office, sql server etc on m123
Once we finally have real ARM support for everything id def buy a mac any day, for now though im going to stay clear of it because I need my software support
To switch between mac and window on Intel using Bootcamp, I use the Bootcamp assistant on Windows to select the start up drive.
Also, on mac, I think holding down the keys (e.g. the option key) works better than spamming them. You can hold down the keys before pressing the power button from my experience.
One other thing you can do with Parallels is boot your Bootcamp drive into macOS. So if you don't need the full hardware, you can run your Bootcamp installation side by side with macOS, but when you do, you can switch over and boot the full Bootcamp install.
Thanks for sharing, hopefully I can upgrade my 2019 16" one of these days :)
You should use crossover
I´ve been using Parallels for ages. IMO it has always worked way better than Fusion. ;-) I´m currently using WIN11 arm in my MBP 14" with coherence. It is just so smooth.
VMWare Fusion Pro is not free for personal use, and supports Apple Silicon
How much RAM do you recommend for running Windows 11 in a VM? Will 18gb MacBook Pro be enough to run Excel / Power BI?
if you plan to use the extensively, the more the better
@@AZisk Just got a good deal on base M2 Mac Studio and it's the dogs! Windows 11 runs like a dream. The only issue is that I inferred from your video that the P19 licence also took care of the win 11 activation. Mine did not and it says I need to buy a licence. P19 knowledge base confirms that this is indeed the case
Hey Alex, would it be possible to try more Windows specific applications? I`m specialy interested in Power BI. If there is someone who has experience with it I`ll be happy to hear about your experience with Power BI, Office and more.
PowerBI (or in fact any Microsoft 365 apps) works on M1 Mac for me. I am utilizing close to 6GB RAM with Teams, PowerBI and a couple of Powerpoint, Excel running on Win11 ARM, the experience overall is close to bare metal.
The only app I had issue with was trying to setup a local SQL server. Everything else I tried worked ok. There will of course be exceptions and I’m not sure how some Macros/plugins would work in office.
I think Microsoft is building up their ARM offerings now faster than ever, so this will definitely evolve
Looks like paid promotion, but Parallels absolutely worth it. Great software
not paid promotion. not a sponsored video
M2?
I think it would be more fair to test it on 8GB ram machine because most people who would need to make a choice will be between intel maccbook or the M2/M3 with 8 gigs since price is similar.
The Intel has a disadvantage because Intel has its Low Power mode hardwired and by default, meaning that without the power connected, you loose performance. Try connecting it to power and see. The Apple Silicon one will not be affected by this unless the low power mode is enabled. It will still be faster but the difference will be less noticeable
Crossover is another way to run windows apps on MacOS. With that method you aren’t limited to only Windows ARM apps
How much slower is running Windows x64 code on the M3 Mac vs an Intel Mac running Windows?
yes i'd like to know too, but is it really possible to run x64 code on windows arm ?
@@electroheadfx Yes - Windows has a JIT translator... just like rosetta..
interesting@@FlyingPhilUK
I don't even think about bootcamp anymore. I always set up Ubuntu and Windows under Parallels. The MacBook Pro becomes the ultimate development machine.
I own 4 Windows 11 devices 2 Desktops 2 Laptops and I owned 2 Mac Devices M1 Mac Mini and M1 MacBook Pro so I think I'm good with running windows on my macs.
If the purpose of the intel mac is windows x64 software testing I'd rather wipe the SSD and install windows 11 directly via UEFI.
You can then extract the win 10 drivers from the latest boot camp installer (7zip or winrar can do so) and speaking of expirience they're gonna do fine on 11.
intel macs can also run parallels
this explains how successful microsoft’s windows is
i would say it’s pretty successful
ok so basically totally useful for all my old software.
MacBook Pro 2019 supports Windows 11 and I am running Windows 11 on my MacBook Pro 2019.
It's bizarre you can install Fedora on M chip machines via the Asahi project but Windows isn't supported. VMWare is apparently available now and is superior but I've only used Parallels.
Stick to parallels only,don't try to ruin your experience with Vmware Fusion,because i did it
VMWare is available now, I don’t know about Superior. Should I do a comparison video?
@@AZisk Please do at earliest
@@AZisk absolutely! that’d be amazing
@@AZisk That's just what I've heard - it's not my view. Yeah, comparison is the only way to find out!