New Zealand rugby pundits react to the Springboks calling them the underdogs | The Breakdown
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I really struggle with JK and JW. Their bias is painful to watch. Your job as a pundit is to try and provide neutral insight instead of always blowing smoke. Mils on the other hand is pure class 👌🏼
Is it their job to be neutral? I thought this show was for Kiwis, therefore naturally biased towards the ABs. You can watch various rugby shows now on CZcams and see natural bias for the commentators teams. I like to watch games with neutral commentators, which means I'll seek an English commentary for the final.
After this weekend, SA will become the most winning rugby nation of all time.
@@bernardadams8074the bias I understand but JK and JW are always talking down, totally condescending towards the Springboks in a way that they’re not towards France, the Irish, etc. And that’s hugely irritating.
I’m concerned about fatigue for the Boks but if they can exert sufficient pressure on the All Blacks they will fold . I pick the Boks to win, good luck to both teams
@@realdudevision2746 *Here Here* 🥂
if you south africans they always compliment opposition, even the players and coaches, even the players dont celebrate but all blacks they celebrate a lot even against argenntina
Not a single Saffa has called New Zealand underdogs, not one. In fact, Springboks recognizes that New Zealand is going in with the largest opportunity to win.
Do you understand what the term underdog means? Those two sentence in conjunction suggest you don't.
we are Sans not saffas , the springboks represents over 2 billion africans and over 200 million southern africans , new zealand just represent oceana, and just 20 million people..... the springboks will definately win
@@alistairclifton1286 New Zealand have been playing much better, or don't you know rugby?
@@alistairclifton1286 dont be a smart ass
@@alistairclifton1286so please elaborate, o wise English speaker!
Spingboks never called NZ underdogs.
Clickbait
They want to take the pressure off.
@@johnlawrence3781pressure is always on.
Plus the all blacks had a better semi finals outing and are not as beaten up physically as my Bokke.
Boks are the ones who told Ireland to be careful 😂. Look now
Bok fans have a massive respect for the All Blacks. We were the only ones that didn’t write them off in the RWC especially pre that match against Ireland. Facts
Mills is such a quality guy,respect from South Africa.
Isn't it amazing coming back to this video after we won the world cup, hearing the nonsense these 2 guys spit out 😂😂😂
Mills on the other hand is pure class and knows that nothing is cast in stone....
I've been coming back here only to hear from mills, the other 2 is dragging this show down...
Another fake title.When did the Springboks call NZ the underdogss? Clickbait...
Opened because of the title. The shock in my head as to when we did...
Typical rugbypass in their click bait tendencies
There is no underdog in this game, the best team on the day will win the world cup for the southern hemisphere
@@Al-oe8ibwell said
Are you guys insane. Where would any South African think of All Blacks as underdogs. SA, it's a 50/50 game
Everyone has a plan…until Etzebet comes running at you 🤯😂🔥👌🏽
Or Frezzell.😂
Quote from Mr. J.W. Wilson "as expected, the Springboks made hard work of it"
To understand the Springboks' journey in the two months leading up to the Rugby World Cup, one must consider the series of demanding matches they were confronted with. Over this brief period, they had to contend with formidable opponents, including Australia, Argentina (twice), Wales, and New Zealand (twice). Their travel itinerary was equally demanding, involving trips to New Zealand, returning home, traveling to Argentina, coming back home, then Wales, England, Corsica, and finally France. All of this occurred in the span of just two months.
The Springboks have faced formidable teams in this RWC, such as Scotland, Ireland, Tonga, France, and England. It's worth mentioning that with a reliable kicker, South Africa could have outperformed Ireland with considerably less effort than the All Blacks. If any team had the potential to defeat the host nation, it was South Africa. The French won all statistical categories within this match, they had the advantage of home support and for 10 minutes of the game played with an extra man . . . It's important to note that there was a concerning incident of a death threat aimed at South Africa's scrum-half before the game.
Following these challenges, the Springboks went on to play against England, facing weather conditions seemingly tailored for the English. Despite these odds, they managed to secure a victory and not concede a try . . after the game, the English raised allegations of racism against the Springbok team's sole hooker.
Accusing a black South African of racism, particularly when coming from a white Englishman, is a serious matter, and the consequences of false claims could be severe.
So, with that being said, Mr. Wilson . . have the Springboks really made hard work of it, or is it the outsiders that have made it hard work for the Springboks ?
Well said Ryan. Well. Bloody. Said 👏🏾
Excellent comment.
Couldn’t agree more 👍
He is a bell end
You're over thinking this. The ABs 18 months ago were so poor, their Coach had all but, been sacked. Pretty much the whole NZ rugby fraternity, didn't give them a shit show!😂 "First time" unpleasant records to boot!😂
How the tide has turned,!😂 Now Ian Foster and Knighthoods, possibly RWC Coach of the year, all in the same sentence seems truly bizarre.😂
And they're coming to beat you.
Mils is world class and great pundit. Speaks sense
JK does not love the Boks. Not that it is expected, but a bit more respect for a worthy opponent would not be wrong.
Just saying AB is the underdogs when they have performed better than the Boks in their matches leading up to the final is just disinguineous.
We are not aware of one South African who called NZ under dogs. South Africa has played the AB's before and they respect the AB's mutually.
The Springboks win a world cup in every decade.
1995; 2007; 2019
There success rate is 100% in RWC Finals.
But it all counts for nothing, because Rugby is a game where history is made and not often repeated.
It's true but you forget the boks never lost a final
@@jaysonfonseca1370 that is why I said success rate is 100% in RWC finals
@@anthonynorman1212and also why all that history means absolutely nothing on Saturday.
@@daggaboom It means nothing when it comes to predicting the outcome between these 2 awesome team.
Making their mark on History is what everyone is playing for.
One of the pundits called the Springboks "The next best thing" after France. We've won 3 world cups and the world still doesn't respect Springboks. You will learn.
I think that remark shows his disdain for SA. I try to understand why, but alas…
LOL - I can't wait for the next show ... gonna be nice to watch Jeff & Kirwan respond to the Springbok's 4th RWC trophy!
And Im hear to tell u....person in October 2023, we did win! Im in January 2024.
@@ochrechap ... here ...
Watching it 20 Feb and is pure gold
@@Ebendejongh1 u mean 20 feb 2024🙂
😅😅😅still watching in April
Having watched this podcast AFTER the rugby world cup win , it makes me smile that the Springboks beat the AB ,
😂
😂😂😂😂here I am laughing but during the world cup I was pissed with them
As a bok supporter, I don't believe there is a favourite. It's a coin toss. Most people are saying NZ are favourites after the semi finals.
Yeah, but are they really? Pretty different games (semis), hopefully it is more of a running game than a kicking game, but kicking is safe...and it's a final.
I personally don't believe you can pick a 'favourite to win.' Either side has the ability to win. The first 20 minutes will be huge. I always back the books though.@@bernardadams8074
They want the tag word underdogs 😂
It’s a storyline. Something to all about
Barns will have his say, one way or the other (hopefully not🙏)
The final from heaven. Whichever team wins ALL the fans will be happy.💪🥂
John Kirwan is such a pain,all he does is complain,to old now
AN SOUR AND OLD MAN!!
As a Bokke, I am dam confident that we are match hardened for this big game. We came through hell in this tournament. Win or loose, they are the best team in my own opinion. The semi-final for us were tough, but Rassie has a few players who we last saw in the Pool stages, that could be the difference for us.
Totally agree, SA path to final has made them (even) tougher & will tear the ABs apart..I hope, if only for the pure spectacle of a championship team claiming their fourth title. Clawing their way back to win against England showed their guts for glory🎉
Plus, Uruguay & Argentina were soft games which will count against the ABs in terms of prep for final.
Big difference between march hardened and heavily fatigued. We are heavily fatigued and sure AB have had the easier games but they are battle hardened. We have to make this game ugly and shut them down. This game isn’t a 50/50. The AB’s are a favourite
@@daggaboom then they might need 6-2 split , to prevent the fatigue. The backs seem pretty good to handle 80mins, given SA played 10men vs England
@@japdiver5090 I’m predicting a 6-2 split too.
@@daggaboom I still believe that our chance to win this is huge. It's time for Esterhuisen, Williams & Moodie to step in. They fresh and proved to be great runners of the ball. I think John Klein can will be called to play this weekend.
Everyone wants the underdog tag ONCE AGAIN... The bookies are going mad 😂
Greatest Springboks tournament performance ever. They played 5 of the top 8 teams and beat them. There will, never be a result like that ever again
If SA had three weeks to rest, then they could be seen as the favourites. SA looked tired vs England (for good reason) and I don't think that any team can play the same intensity three weeks in a row. Its going to be close, but I think NZ is the favourites - this is from a Bok supporter.
Agree. But if the bench can do it’s magic we might have a chance. But NZ looks fitter, sharper.
They never had any intensity vs England. They also played zero rugby, as did England, hence tackle count was relatively low and their forward pack played half a match!
I would say they should be relatively fresh.
They've been clubbing baby seals all world cup and now ant to paint themselves as under-dogs ... come on! Seriously! What are they smoking in New Zealand ... can they share it with the rest of us ?!?!
@@liamkeogh5135if they played with shear intensity against England in the rain, the amount of penalties from slips and mistakes would have given the English the win.
well this aged well🤣
Mills the legend!! love from South Africa 🇿🇦
One thing has become clear during this World Cup. The pundits live in an alternate universe compared to the fans. As a Bok supporter, we see NZ as the favorites.
NZ has had a much easier WC run than SA. This will show in the final game.
Much easier? Huh? You're lost mate
They both played Ireland and France. Only real diff was Argentina and England who are pretty much on par. Argentina went missing in the semi and in the other England played their best and S.A. their worst.
Did you forget Tonga and Scortland (ranked 5th that smashed england)????
@@ShiNooBi1986
@@TheThinkingMathematicianWhat about Tonga and Scotland?😂
who, where did the Springboks say that the AB's are the underdogs?
Make no mistake, SA are Champs for a reason and fierce rivals for a reason. They can run or maul or both. Makes for a terrific contest 😊😊
As an AB fan, I can't wait!
The AB's are peaking at the right time.
SA had a much tougher route to the final and NZ had it easy but our boys delivered on the day.
As a Springbok supporter, AB team was my team prior 1995. No better final then the two teams.
Respect 💪🇿🇦💚
Hanskakie gewees?
@@kalaharikreef7371 verkramp gewees?
@@Deletthis-gp7yy sy moes seker.
Kiwis were really hurt by that 35-7 at Twickenham. It will haunt them forever.
NZ came into this RWC similar to how SA came in 2019. Adversity, poor run of form till the last 2-3 games leading to the RWC. It really was the same storyline but the Springboks said “hold my beer🍺”, it’s still my movie😎
I am South African I don't believe New Zealand are underdogs. In this game both teams have 80min of potential victory. It will be an epic battle on the day.
I called it from the start of the World Cup Rugby SA vs NZ Final.
As a Bok supporter we know never underestimate the AB's.
Respect to both Teams have a great game Saturday.
Go Bokke 🇿🇦
They just learned that rugby is played on the field, not on the table with a cup of coffee, you can be bias on the table but on the field it's totally different animal. Congratulations 🇿🇦🏆🏆🏆🏆
Personally, I would never put the term "underdogs" to any All Blacks team - the universal massive respect for the All Blacks is because they've been proven repeatedly to be a phenomenal rugby team... can't ever count your chickens when playing against the All Blacks. I'm a Springbok supporter... can't predict a winner, it's too tight & too close... The 1995 RWC between the All Blacks & Springboks was the most thrilling, exciting rugby game I've ever watched. I think this will be an epic battle of the greats, may the better team win & I hope no injuries. I wish the All Blacks all the best for the coming game on Saturday. Go, Bokke, & thank you, you've done your country proud xx
Nicely spoken.
Jeff Wilson made some very good points re Foster's team journey. It is, equally, a case of hindsight. It's been an unusual AB cycle.
The world needs the full 3 months tour between our countries again.
There's no way that NZ is underdogs, it is 100% the other way around. I don't see how the team with the 80% win rate and more victory over the boks than anyone else can be considered anything but.
But it makes sense that the current Nr1 ranked team in the world are the underdogs ? Also if my memory serves me correctly the last time we played went something like 37-5.
It’s very seldom a team beats the All Blacks two in a row.
People also forget that the Twickenham loss was without 4 of your first choice players and red cards.
Your loss against France was with losing your Captain just before kick off.
Fatigue is a massive issue.
That alone puts the Boks as underdogs, never mind missing the best Hooker in world rugby and their first choice winger.
What has been happening the past 5 years? No clear favorite for years now.
Cards are apart of the game, they lacked discipline on the day and got punished for it. Whos to say that wont happen again ? And if anyone can deal with fatigue its the boks and if the first pack can't the bombsquad sure will. I personally wouldn't say there's an underdog on the day, both teams have a similar chance of coming out on top in my mind depends on who can handle the pressure. However calling the boks the underdogs is wild to me.
@@Safainoz
@@robertmarx7901 It's a mindset to help motivate the Boks. Nothing between them, could go either way in my opinion. My fear is a yellow card (or more) for the ABs for something silly.
AB's are favorites, everyone is saying that, especially after our(SA) great escape against England. Taking nothing away from the AB's victory over Argies but Argentina were exceptionally.
Defence will win the cup.
England knocked the All blacks out of the semis last world cup, so England is a world class team give the Springboks a break😑🙄
🇿🇦Springboks now into the habit of making teams wait 4 more years by 1 point… think about it 4 MORE years, 1 point! It must be hurting like, eina
This game is about as 50/50 as it gets, it always is when these two teams meet. That’s why they are great test matches because no one knows for sure who’ll actually win on the day. I can back the ABs to win and have that belief they will but I know when we face the Boks, it isn’t guaranteed, it never is.
NZ are favourites. SA team is battered. Only one easy match in Romania 6 weeks ago.
Exactly…not a chance that this is a 50/50. If we met in the QF then it’s a 50/50. Not now
Agreed. One or two small moments could decide the match.
@@daggaboomIt's now a "level" playing field.Both teams have fought tooth and nail to get this far, with the aim to hoist the Webb Ellis. Frizzell will be Roo hunting
😂😂😂
@@daggaboom that doesn’t make any sense, none, it’s nonsense.
As an AB fan from Ireland, when can we expect these “pundits” to stop blowing smoke, wise up guys and talk a little sense.
Tbf, the ABs outplayed the Boks with 14 men. Missed your chances but full respect from a Saffa. Close but no cigar. If the Boks weren't winning it, it was the AB's, end of!
JK......I have a name for him. Ask Bongi. Ive yet to hear him say something, just one thing, positive or complimentary about the BOKS
13:21 where the hell did Schalk come from?😭😂😂
"Our DNA" Well said!
Mills is an absolutely solid pundit. He sees strength in the opponents and is unbiased with his comments. JK and JW I have been waiting for you guys to sit, eating your croissants and talking about how the mighty Springboks beat the AB's. I can just see the saltiness from the two of you. Referee this, boring that, where's rugby going, world rugby's fault, TMO. Where are your'll?? its been 2 days and you guys are still hiding.
On a serious note the AB's have been incredible, especially after going down to 14 men. We did have two yellow cars - things were equal for 20min. Big respect to AB's. JW especially please eat some humble pie. His prediction about winning by 12. It's a World Cup Final. You are playing against the Springboks. 12 points lol JW got bit carried away with the Argentina game.
That first half the AB's were lucky that with the Springboks dominance they did not score a try or two. Physically we were much better. Lost our way after the red card. Should have scored a try at the start of the second. We played a whole match without a proper hooker.
History books will remember the winners. I am extremely proud of the Springboks, their management and the way they fought throughout this WC. Show a tad bit more respect. Let's try and meet in the Cricket World Cup and compete again.
As a saffa… when our overall VS record is better than the ABs, then we won’t be the underdogs anymore…
Spot on mate.
The host asked J.K which semi he liked,he said the A.B's game? Her reaction priceless.😂
They will make a movie. It will be very similar to Invictus.
Listening to John Kirwin he wants everything to be played in the AB's favour does not work that way
1987 ABs won the world cup and then in 2011 /2015 so it took them 24 years and especially the new Zealand pundits forgot they not the only rugby nation that win.. proudly south Africa it took us 12 years to win our 2nd cup
Schalk sounds pissed..😂😂
Respect the man in glasses on the right he speak sense more than all the three🔥🔥🔥🔥
Wayne Barnes referring? Does that mean that New Zealand lift the trophy now?
Clearly you have no clue when it comes to rugby history, in particular with Barnes and the AB’s at world cups.
When did South Africans take a leaf out of Englands book, and start whining before kickoff for goodness sake?
Should have been more worried about their discipline than telling SA they should worry about their 7-1 bench split.
Looking forward to the next episode to hear what excuses JW and in particular JK will have. Are they big enough to unreservedly apologise? Are they big enough to respect other teams's styles to a RWC trophy? or are they to remain insular in their views??
As I said.. looking forward to it
Don't hold your breath ...
I think I'm speaking for a lot of South Africans your probably going to win but we won't be that disappointed😅
Spot on
Close mate, every Kiwi can be proud of that performance with 14 men. TMO fluffed the game with that red. As a Saffa, couldn't be more proud of beating the mighty AB's even though it was against 14. Utmost respect for that performance, that could have gone either way.
We are number 1 team in the world, we are the reigning World champions, we have never lost a World cup final we have played. Why are the Springboks the underdogs. We know who we are.
ABs 30 - 30 SAF Fulltime.
ABs 36 - 36 SAF Extra Time
Andrew Merhtens drop goal in sudden death to win the game for the ABs.😎
Knew he was there for a reason.
Just remember, South Africa worked hard for this final. The All Blacks just arrived.
AB v Arg was phckn boring!
I don’t think the AB’s got to choose who they play, but hey, let’s sh!t all over it anyhow 🙄. Just stop the bitching and enjoy the game when it comes around or shut up for goodness sake’s
Blame the organisers, they screwed up the pools which had a knock on effect to finals but hey look at it this way atleast we got the best final possible
I can’t believe JK said that game was good. Literally the worst game I’ve seen all year.
Not the ABs fault, Argentina just didn’t pitch up.
Didn’t this cake say that the NZ vs Italy game was better than Ireland vs SA??
Seeing a significantly weaker team get demolished isn’t amazing to watch. ‘Sir’ seems very insecure…
@@brettpereira4406😂😂, the guy is against the boks
No one in the Springboks or in South Africa is calling NZ the underdog, that is an insane take away. If anything the consensus is NZ are favourite and we hoping the boys can pull off an upset.
Has the doos with the black bottle glasses ever made sense?
Humble pie anyone...?😅 Great game and respect to the ABs
Hola hola hola gents WHAT HAPPENED CUZZIE?!?!? Look who WON GENTS
JK & J Wilson are like 5 year old school girls pinching each other.
It’s really not a good look for NZ to have them representing such an iconic brand.
Mils on the other hand, id like to buy that man a beer 👏🏻
Info for JK, most kicks per game at RWC23:
1. England
2. ABs
ABs biggest issue is discipline, for too long they “got away with it” but now it’s getting called and it shows.
Come guys this cannot be the last session , really enjoyed your take on the World Cup games and Jeff’s take on everything,we need a post mortem of the final.Jeff you had quite a bit to say about the Boks ,MILS AND JK were more realistic in my view,would love to hear from Jeff the RUGBY PUNDIT.Come on Jeff we all had to listen to your analysis, very interesting, would love to see you eat you words and let’s analyse what you got right and what you got totally wrong.
Agreed - I MUST see their post-RWC POV!!!
No excuses this time. Watch what you eat. 🇿🇦
They were very quiet after the final
Just an FYI, a fun fact, it’s not widely known but there is actually a largish (getting smaller though) contingent of South Africans that have always, and still support the ABs over the springboks. This stems back to the apartheid days when the springboks were considered to represent the oppressive Afrikaner nation. I know this because I have family and friends that still wear the black jersey to this day!
Tbf, the group is getting smaller with most of their kids and grandkids now supporting the Boks now that we have rainbow nation representation under King Kolisi.
Put on the jersey and make it better, or take it off. That is what makes these two teams so unique. Each AB and Bok player knows that the Jersey, the Number and Team are more significant than them.
South Africa is missing 2 of their best players, Marc and Mapimpi.....
Gotta love Mils. Class act
I think a 6 -2 split will do for the Boks
How about 7-1
Enjoy you guys like two grumpy old men, Mils and a lovely NZ Rose. 🎉😅
Jeff Wilson, what's u comment after new zealand coming short last night?
Nz have played only two (2) competitive games in this RWC - and they only won one (1) of those.
JK needs his medication. There's no underdog here. Anyone that wants it more will take it. May the best team win it.
Monyhs after the RWC and the bias and hubris of Wilson and Kirwan are still hilarious.😂
Technically Nienaber did say yes we expect to win but it was In response to the press trying to get him and Foster into an inevitable tangle about who the underdog is and Nienaber just wasn't in the mood.With the
Mills is a star! I must confess that I am now addicted to the insufferable commentary from JK and JW. Surely there's an English word for enjoying insufferable things. 😅😅
insufferable haha
Like a "masochist", I am also addicted to JK & JW's utterings - only to prove them wrong ... and *SURPRIZE SURPRIZE* - SA won a 4th RWC trophy!
John Kirkdouch record as coach, 141 games, 4 teams, 41.80 % win ratio. HOW ARE YOU EVEN ON THIS SHOW
I clicked this bait and enjoyed the show. No harm, no foul.
Love our Brothers next door😂. Sa and Nz accents🤌🏼
I've never heard these guys say anything positive about the boks. Except for Mils.
ABs must not make the same mistake that England made to think they win before the whistle blows
Weeks after the final, I still haven't found a video or article where Springboks called All Blacks the underdogs. RugbyPass can you help with the link? Or was this just propaganda?
I can for once in my lifetime smell a genuine fear from the ABs for the Boks 🤐 its tangible...it's real you can almost touch it
Love the narrative of the AB adversity and underdogs, mate you are not the underdogs, you walked to the Final and won the Championship.
Yes fatigue is a big thing for SA
They have been through a lot !
I get what you saying but nz and South Africa have played the same amount of games, how does fatigue only impact the boks and not nz?
Well one thing is Rassie made a mistake by not changing up the team after that massive match against France. It's not just physical fatigue it's mental pressure, it's emotionally draining to do what they have done in this comp. NZ look fresher and much more precise now than at the beginning of the comp where we looked better. Small margins at the top
These pundits were correct about two things... Discipline & accuracy (that's really what costed NZL the trophy) One missed conversion, one missed penalty, a yellow card before 1st 5 minutes & a red card to their Captain!
We were actually expecting to lose based on past encounters with AB and the 1 point wins against France with the England game nerve-wrecking.South Africa won on luck,discipline,tactics,power,grit.and yes they can vary theyre playing style between old and modern
I see Schalk Britz as one of the true faces of SAfrica what a personality & character 😊 😂
you Mills. Still my fav 15 NZL person! Cullen is the best in my opinion and Smith maybe 2nd?
Does that mean if ( big if) Sa wins the worldcup does Rassie get coach of year?
Rassie is not the coach of the springboks....his director of SA rugby
JK knows he's greeting a Rise out of Saffers for the views and hate watching. Myself included. Don't take what he says to heart
I don't know how Mills can stand the other three presenters.
JK and JW must be fuming about the Bok win.
Stay classy Mills even though its tough with those 2 next to you.
👨💼: "And if you think about what happened at Twickenham..."
👨💼: No I dont'...
😂😂😂 Yep thought as much