LAW CHANGES | TO HELP RUGBY or HURT SOUTH AFRICA?
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- It happens every year - a New Year...New Laws? Warren Gatland is the latest to suggest the rights to rugby's wrongs but are his suggested law changes trying to make the sport better...or the Springboks not as dominant? I give my thoughts on that AND some ways in which rugby can improve instantly.
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World Rugby has been anti-South Africa for years. What they fail to understand is that South Africa are not defined by their style of play, or anything they do on the field. Their greatest strength is they find a way to win no matter what, change as many laws as you like, all that means is South Africa will win in a different way.
Yes. No other team thinks of adapting their style
What a load of self aggrandising
Bolleaux. Seffeffricah is one of rugby’s biggest markets. World Rugby bent over backwards and licked its own dangleberries to accommodate apartheid.
Blame your insecurities and mediæval entitlement on yourselves.
Don’t get me wrong: England has its own, odious peculiarities, too. (Stoopid, posh-boy entitlement and the Twickenham car park…)
I’ve had fantastic times with decent, balanced South African fans. None better. But your ‘stoopids’ are even more entitled, blubbering, whinging dangleberries than ours.
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Yes Dick, like our self agrandising 6/1, 7/1 bench just to mention 2. And our 4 Webb Ellis cups. Any other team you know of risk it all like that, with similar results? @@richardgrant418
Praising & changing laws to stop us are two different things.
I agree if world rugby wants to make 15s into 7s this will be there greatest mistake we have pace and skill that they have seen in7s we will destroy teams
Hi Tim, as an Irishman, I honestly LOVE how South Africa play, sure it's what made our match with them so special. One of the best open play teams against one of the best forward play teams, pure rugby magic.
South Africa aren't unbeatable, anyone of the top 4 can beat the others on the day, they're that close.
So too much kicking? Definitely not, though I would like to see a better refereeing of the scrum. Seems like a toss of the coin who gets the penalty when it collapses.
GREAT comment. And agree thoroughly
100% and remember 2019 when everyone was complaining about how much the Boks were kicking? Check the stats. They aren’t the team that kicks the most. And in fact I seem to recall a stat during this World Cup that actually the bok scrum in the pool stages wasn’t the most effective - they were like 3/4th I think. That may have changed in the knockouts. But the “sa kick and scrum” more and better than anyone else is a bit of a myth actually.
appreciate your comment and Best of Luck To your team for 2024.
Agree with you, Ireland have also managed to nullify those same South African tactics in the last 2 tests we played against each other and thats the beauty of Rugby different teams can play to their strengths. We would never try to play the All Blacks at their own game they would run all over us
@@Bryan22124 The simple fact is that in 2019 SA did not have "the easy path". It's very easy to discount Japan and Wales until you consider that one was the unbeaten home side who humiliated Ireland and sent Scotland home, and the other was the 6N grand slam winners - a team who had won all 5 of their matches against SA in the previous RWC cycle.
The other side of the table was Ireland, who had been beaten by Japan and England who they beat in the final anyway. The only reason people say that SA got the easy route is the fact that England beat the All Blacks because the All Blacks could not be bothered to listen to Squidge lol. For context, Squidge had shown in several videos EXACTLY what England was going to do in the opening stanza against any team and the AB's just would not listen.
South Africans will adapt to any law change. In everyday life we often are forced to find a way. Sport is an extension of this.
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Agreed
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@@Deletthis-gp7yy hilarious 😂😅
I agree with pretty much everything you say in this. South Africa's superpower is not kicking or scrumming. It is adapting and innovating. Whatever rule changes happen, SA will adapt. I definitely think there should be promotion/relegation in 6 nations. It would be good to see Georgia coming through.
Insightful and non partisan, as always, Tim. You are an appreciated ambassador of the game we love.
You are 100% right about time wasting when players convene for the scrum. As for South Africa, man, they play to their strengths, and it seems it has ruffled some feathers. Majority of these people moaning about the 7/1 bench or SA physicality, would gladly be happy to be in SA's position. They have the depth and there are more players to come from their rugby pool system.
All teams play to their strengths. Just believe Rassie is a visionary that understands his teams strengths better and finds ways to benefit from them. As a player he was the same... Too many rules in Rugby, most are not enforced.. I still struggling with holding on the tackler to stop him rolling away vs holding on to the ball because the tackler does not roll away. These two laws must be simplified into 1.. Every time it could go either way..
Rassie plays the odds, unlike most coaches who are terrified of making a mistake.
You are one of the best analysts in Rugby.Balanced and fair and a great knowledge of the game.
You deserve a Rugby show on a major media program.
I’m so tired of the old boys back slapping shows devoid of balanced analytical content.
Please keep it up👍👏
I agree fully. Replace Jeff Wilson urgently.
Totally agree fair and balanced calling a spade a spade. Keep it up mate 👍🏼
the irony is that South Africa simply adapted to the status quo and did not canvas for the current laws. They did the same in 95 and in 2007 . In the professional era there have been and there will be plenty of changes to the laws. I don't think it will effect the Spingboks one way or the other over the long term.
Mostly agree although ex Boks have highlighted that SA rugby fell into the trap of trying to play like NZ and Oz for a few years and didn't get the results. I think it was John Smit who said it. Still think the Boks have the talent and skill to get those results, just possibly a lack of history in doing so
ChrisBrown-or8ky the context of this video is very spisific, and the comment I made is within that context. The context is the rules of rugby and how it affects team potential with the Springboks as an example team . This team has had a consistent win loss ratio, and it sits at about 65 % .The point is that the rules do not impact this ratio mutch and have not hampered the team potential and probably will not in the future. I suspect the 65% win loss will stay in place more or less. Then there is the question of cup rugby and spisificly world cup rugby. Here The Spingboks off course is the most successful team in the history of cup rugby having won
40 % of all tournements ever . This is, of course, a world leading situation with the closest rival only managing a 30 % ratio. I'm not sure that the springboks copying or not coping a play style is really relevant to the discussion at hand. Also, I'm not sure how your assessment that the Springboks have a lack of positive results is really relevant. Perhaps you can explain. _
@@shortMarioI agree with you but in South Africa's case regarding world cups, we've only competed in 8 tournaments and won 4 so we actually have a 50% success rate in world cups.
@@shortMario I appreciate your point. I stand by mine. The laws and application of those laws have been adapted again and again annually for years and at present, the laws suit the Boks. That's not to say they didn't deserve to win rwc. Fwiw, I believe the laws did NOT suit the Boks in 2019. Both wins incredibly impressive for different reasons.
But back to my point, the Boks didn't do as well when they attempted to play with different tactics due to the application of the laws back in the late 90s, early 00s
@ChrisBrown-or8ky It would have been perhaps more productive if you states this from the start. That being said the win loss percentage for boks have been remarkably consistent for any 4 year period over the period 1992 to 2024. I fear that the statistics really does not support your claim. Also, I still fail to see how your comments support the context of the discussion. You are of course, perfectly entitled to make them not withstanding the fact that they add little or actually nothing to the context of the conversation.
I am a Kiwi and I know how much Kiwi's hate losing at rugby. When we do lose we either seek to blame someone (like the Ref or bunker) or say that the game is sh1t and needs to change to fit with our style.
The other interesting thing about us is our 'tall poppy' syndrome mentality and have to have a go at anyone who is being successful. Anyway, we should rather applaud innovation and those that succeed, see our loss as a challenge to improve and innovate in order to be the best that we can be.
..I am a Safrican..and I have to agree with what you said ..re: NZ ..Tall Poppy ..syndrome..👎🏻😡..Why…❓❓CRAZY..❗️❗️👎🏻…you will NEVER see a Safrican player ..playing at clubs in the UK, France or in the World Cup do that ..always ..POSITIVE..we perhaps overdo the praising of anyone doing something REALLY good/ outstanding…for the team..❗️👍
‘Still our toughest and our most apprehensive games- ..have and will always be against the ABs..👍😉♥️👏👏👏👏❗️
Well, I am an older kiwi, seems you forget how well we can quickly change our style to take whatever advantage we legally can when the laws change. Have done for many many years, been one of our major strengths and kept us the no1 team or near no1 for so long. We have been blessed with not only outstanding talent but great coaches with very good rugby brains. Not sure what tall poppy business you mentioned, this just a typical reaction in most countries with sport being high profile, people seem to often blame the ref etc etc , just look at any saffa site for these examples. As to the final of the last WC, from recent memory the vast majority of us kiwis took the loss on the chin, no spitting the dummy.
@@runforrestrun1965 Twitter or X whatever it is called, had a lot of Kiwis moaning about the loss! Don't NZ keep getting players from the islands? This disadvantages the island nations.
Every team complains about losses. Rassie made friggin videos about ref decisions.
TREMENDOUS respect for you Spencer. You All Blacks will be back soon to show us AGAIN what rugby is all about. GUARANTEED! That is why we respect the great All Blacks emblem and what it has stood for. That is why we cried with you when Jonah and Jerry passed away. You are HARD AS NAILS and the Haka just makes everything stop together with honest,friendly "ANIMALS"😅 who go CRAZY for their team. But always honest and NOT panty wearing like JK and JW. They must be an embarrassment to you Kiwis. Get them OUT! Gatland,you're not mr rugby mate. You're in fact a LIGHTWEIGHT measured against Rassie. Really,you can pass for an beginner in comparison with Assie for what he has achieved. Or are you gonna vote for a limitation on a coach's term after he has won 2 world cups? It's so NICE and NASTY at the same time to see losers cry and try to find ways. NICE to know we are leaving you DESPERATE by the power we are and gow we play and also our depth. I've never liked you Warren,now I know why. You're loser crybaby like the BIGGEST of them all - JK. Watch out,the Kiwi supporters won't take kindly to your loser attitudes.
We worked HARD to achieve 4 world cups. You wanna sabotage us. We'll find a way AGAIN and AGAIN so BRING IT ON mommy's boy.
Go Bokke. 🇿🇦❤️🏁😎
Love your videos mate. As somebody from Belgium where rugby is practically non-existent and having just watched and learned how the game is played during the rugby world cup. Your channel is one of the few that helped me understand and appreciate this beautiful game much better
I discovered your channel during the WC , Tim. As a South African, I would like to thank you for your incredibly unbiased, learned and always balanced content. You hit the nail on the head when you use the term "Rugby Theatre".. that's why I love the game- especially international games-the drama the tension, the contest between different styles, mindsets and personalities. Gatland is being sly here. Again. As you say his job is to carve out any advantage for his team. He did this during the Lions tour when he did the classic Mark Antony " and Brutus is an honourable man"...thing to cast aspersions on the TMO before the first test. He's a poes. And he has a knife drawn for Rassie methinks.
I don't like swearing but he IS a POES! Go Bokke,ons maak hulle MAL boys. The depth train that NEVER stops giving. Only gonna get WORSE as we unearth the EXTREME talent coming through in RSA. I thank God I'm done loooong ago with rugby. Did you see the size of kids playing for Affies,Grey,Paarl boys,Paul Roos etc...?!! Fucking 120 kg + GIANTS!
People think South Africa play the way they do, because they can’t do anything else. It’s not true, whatever they need to do, however they need to win, they can play lay that way as well anyone. They have the biggest player pool of any country. Winning is what they are, take scrums away completely, they’ll still win.
Hello Tim, I really like and admire your honest and un-biased assessment of the game we love. You should be in charge of World Rugby, what a beautiful game we will have then! Regards from a South African!
Tim, thanks again for a well-balanced discussion. Rule changes: The teams that excite us as rugby lovers have powerful forwards, mobile loose forwards, good kickers, excellent fast runners out wide, and players that can innovate. When you change rules, I believe the SAME teams will adjust best and still be the best teams. The recipes are not a secret, Japan, Wales, Italy and others need to catch up, rules will not do that for them.
dream on the game has progressed from your thoughts. I can't think about anything worse than your wishes.
Tim, your analysis is fantastic. The ideas you shared around the caterpillar ruck and time-wasting around scrum time are concise, obvious and absolutely the right thing. It just surprises me how this is not obvious to the powers-that-be in rugby. Work within the existing laws...absolutely!
South Africa has always been one of the best teams to adapt to new laws in the game.
No. The game has been slowed down. This suits SA. SA don't play fast uninterrupted rugby.
The point being made by @henryvaneyk3769 is that if the laws were enforced as suggested in the video, the game would move faster, be less uninterrupted, and South Africa would be one of the best teams at adapting to that.@@robertobetta9602
@@robertobetta9602 Please give me the details of a team that you think plays 'fast uninterrupted' rugby, so I can show you what a donkey you are, by comparing the stats. Also please tell me what 'fast uninterrupted' rugby means to you, so I can use your own flawed logic against you.
@@robertobetta9602 Liar. SA plays probably the fastest uninterrupted rugby of all teams, unlike New Zealand and England who were the top 2 world cup teams kicking away the ball. South Africa also kicks for touch the least of all teams. Please go watch golf or something. 😂😂😂
SA the first to adopt new law...and the last to adopt anti-doping law. Even for next wc i think they can't sign it. It's in theirs and.
If you have fewer kicks, it gives the defense less to worry about, they don't have to keep the back three in the back field to cover the kick....so that'd mean tighter defense, less running rugby, more pick and drive.
Exactly. Trade offs. Risk and reward...I LOVE the tactical nuances
@@EggchasersRugby, also with fewer kicks Rugby Union will start morphing more and more into its poorer cousin...League.
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Great analysis
Hi Tim, love your show which I discovered during the World Cup 👍🏻
I appreciate your unbiased views and analysis which adds a base for good discussion.
Please make a plan to get to 🇿🇦 this year. You won't regret it 😁
God bless 🙏🏻
Great review and overall take. They can change rules as much as they want to try disadvantage South Africa but that wont work
Few thoughts:
1) The French and the AB's kicked the most at the last world cup. So the teams widely regarded (rightly or wrongly) as having the most flair are the ones who kick most.
2) Limiting replacements would make current wales more competitive, so I see why Gat's is keen. But Welsh Rugby is in a hole that needs fixing, chaining the laws wont fix wales.
3) Removing the Mark from the 22 will lead to more kicking, not less. So perhaps Gat's needs to have a bit of a think.
4) Less Rugby. Totally agree. You only have to see what happened to Super Rugby when it was Super 12 (when it was great) to Super Rugby when it finally died. Too many teams, too many games.
5) 5 second rule. Slightly disagree, after 5 seconds it shouldn't be a scrum, the ball should be considered out and the other team should be allowed to come offside.
Hadn't thought that about Point 5 - decent suggestion that.
And don't disagree 1-4!
5 second rule is dumb, it’s easy to manipulate a scrum to last over 5 seconds. It would make your own put in, an advantage for the defensive team.
@@EggchasersRugby On the Rugbypass website on their stats page, it list England (251) with the most kicks in the tournament, NZ 2nd (215), SA 3rd (175) with France in 6th (145)
1) I agree about SA not kicking as much (since it's fact); SA aren't better at kicking than any other team, but kicking is boring though and the game would be more entertaining if it were limited. We often see kick battles where 26 players are just having a breather in the middle of the field while 2 players on each side boot the ball to each other.
2) Rugby now does basically have a 23 playing rather than a 15. Limiting them to proper replacements by decreasing their number could help the game and might improve player safety by reducing size of players as fitness and injury prevention demands increase.
3) The mark needs to go though becuase it slows the game down. It completely ruins momentum and there's literally no reason why it should exist. I'm sure there's a historic reason for why that rule was created 100 years ago or whatever, but it's not needed now and just stops the game dead.
4) Less rugby is a must. Players are already rotated constantly at club level; if that doesn't tell you that players play too much, nothing will. Limiting players to a maximum number of matches per season is also the only way of preventing head injury as high tackles acount for less than 1% of all head knocks in a game, so are pretty much pointless to focus on; reducing total contact time is the only way of preventing brain problems in later life.
5) I don't think there should be a 5s rule. If the ball is playable in the ruck, the ref shouts use it and the scrum half must use it immediately. If it's available, why do they need 5 seconds to use it?
Use it, one more player can join the ruck. Anymore and it's a turnover free kick.
That is why some Northern hemisphere teams don’t win World cups. It’s karma for continually changing rules to give themselves an advantage. Southern teams will just take the new rules and perfect using the new rules to become world beaters again. Then the whole rule change exercise will be repeated again.😂
😂😂😂😂 Fact!
Appreciate you sharing your thoughts on this, Tim. From SA 🇿🇦
Thanks Tim - always appreciate your content - already over 40k views of this video - amazing - channels like yours do a massive amount to grow the game -
Agreed on all counts 👏, changing laws because of one team is ridiculous
Rugby espically winning Rugby is about team sports and scoring try's alongside kicking coversions and drop goals....it should not be about 1 player who can kick penalty goals.@@robertcottam8824
That's not what is proposed
Did you even read the article or watch this video?
Perhaps Warren wants a new rule stating that Warren’s team always wins?
@@Bryan22124 which is why I suggested that new rule!
One other thing is, because South Africa knows what their particular strengths are, they train up players from the bottom to think and play like that. It means that at any one time, the Springbok coaches have a plethora of options to choose from. This means building depth of forwards makes more sense. So from the ground up, all the local franchise coaches know how to train up their players even in the schools and universities. And for the most part, we have quite a lot of money to contain top quality rugby players plus also bringing them back to South Africa from abroad.
Great video. I was nodding along with everything you said (except perhaps the caterpillar ruck part). I also thought it was amusing that Gatland had a go at the idea of replacing tight forwards halfway through the game and loading the bench with a second front row for that very purpose, when he himself has done exactly that (with a 6-2 split and early tactical subs) for both Wales and the Lions. Why was it okay then, but now it must change?
Its such a weak move when a coach basically admits that he cant get his team to win if they don't change the rules. That is why Rassie is the GOAT. INNOVATION. You can change the rules all you want Rassie will still find a way
Some coaches, pundits and fans are not able to comprehend that the Springboks play a variety of styles and a lot has to do about how well does the opposition defend or lose control of the ball.
You only have to look at their results in the last World Cup. From very high winning score v Romenië, medium high score v Tonga and low scores against strong sides like Ireland, and NZ.
If SA does not score a lot against strong opposition it is for some suddenly boring. But the opposition who also does not score a lot, that is not boring but okay. Such double standards.
South African fans and the Springboks enjoy all aspects of the game, scrums, rucks, line-outs, mauls, attack, defence and the variety of kicks. All this combined variety makes rugby the wonderful game it is.
Unfortunately, a lot of people don't notice. Fortunately, there's analysts like this guy who do.
Tim, thanks for this. You not only identified problems but propose decent solutions too which is refreshing in comparison with a lot of what has been said and written during and after the world cup.
One more feather in Rassies cap,
He is now making sure that the up and coming Springboks are being slowly brought into the mix and his attention to detail is incredible
How about a law, that each time you poach a player from the south sea islands, you need to donate that guys salary to his homeland rugby union…….ooooohhhh?
Haha. Like the principle
Or take player from South Africa!
Is this a dig at New Zealand? New Zealand does NOT poach players. All are citizens or hold NZ residency status.
@@KekeHimona I didnt mention NZ…. You have something on your conscience…..? I was actually thinking more along the lines of the rich rugby unions in Europe. No SSI union can compete with those budgets.
@@Pack-ManT-B-Told All good…FYI though…The South Seas is an archaic term for a region in the Pacific Ocean. We describe most of it under Oceania. The term South Sea may also be used synonymously for Oceania, or even more narrowly for Polynesia or the Polynesian Triangle, an area bounded by the Hawaiian Islands, New Zealand and Easter Island. Pacific Islanders are commonly referred to as South Sea Islanders. So…no….nothing on my conscience
Change the laws as they will, Rassie and Co. will adapt and overcome.
That's what South Africans do!!
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not if the laws require playing with the ball
@@timgregory82 Believe it or not, but SA play with or without the ball depending on their opponent. If you want to see a team that kicks the ball the most, look at France. They hate having the ball. Look it up for yourself. They kick all day. NZ have always been a kick heavy team, SA historically has kicked less than them despite people - like you - thinking the opposite is true.
@chris5240 france have flair and skill as do the all blacks. I love the springboks they are the old foe but I do think the balance is not right at the moment
@@timgregory82 The stats don't tell the same story as you might imagine. Against the other 5 top 6 teams, these are kick-from-hand numbers:
Scotland 28 - 27 SA
Ireland 20 - 16 SA
France 24 - 27 SA
England 41 - 29 SA
All Blacks 34 - 38 SA
Aside from England who kicked almost everything (and in fairness to them, the conditions required it), there is not a hell of a lot between the sides in those match ups. By comparison, New Zealand kicked 36 times against Argentina (22 for Argentina) and 33 times against Ireland (20 for Ireland).
South Africa v England semi final was like watching a hybrid game of Aussie Rules and Etom Wall game....I thought Web Ellis wanted to pick up the Rugby ball not kick it away.@@Karma-qt4ji
Like Jake White said over the last few years most law changes was to benifit the defensive team. You can't score a try against the post anymore, one for the defense. Ball held up over the try line, goalline drop out, one more for the defensive team. Scrumhalfs are called to play the ball quicker of a ruck or scrum, another win for the defensive team. I can't think of any law chnage that have helped the attacking team. World rugby has decided to change everything just to have a faster game but it did make the game more attractive. We have rugby league and they are tiny compared to union. If their rugby is so much better why don't they have a fraction of the support union has?
50/22 clear benefit to attacking team. I feel the 5s rule was to speed up the game for spectators. If anything, faster ball at rucks helps the attack, not defense as there is less time to get in position.
What ever changes are made the most important person there is the spectator. Keep the spectator happy or else.
@@horseman6468 Looking at the URC, Top 14, and English Premiership numbers, nothing has to change. Match attendance numbers and viewership is breaking records. It is all good. I think this is more an Kiwi and Australian problem.
Love your reviews!
Changing all the items Gatland is talking about needs to be considered with care - we may then just end up following Aussie rules football :)
I personally believe we have a very mature set of laws at the moment and most are good as-is. I agree with you - enforce what we already have.
The one thing I would suggest needs reviewing is the TMO from yellow to red referral. This is a choke on the game. We need a decision much quicker and it must be done by the ref on the field, not in the box.
You have such a great rugby brain Tim, so appreciate your objective, intelligent, insightful comments. Sometimes it seems to me as if the RFU is all about form over substance. What rugby needs is innovative, fresh, youthful ideas to keep the game evolving in an entertaining way, without diminishing its great traditions. 🇿🇦
Correction Tim, best Tactical Kicking goes to England. They forced a change in the semi, purely off of that. Nobody tried to institute laws to curtail the ABs, when they were dominant & won two consecutive RWC's. This just smacks of sour grapes. Get off it Gats!!!😅
Fair point about England...they made SA make big decisions
Remember when Owen Farrel back chatted with the ref and cost England the World Cup... I remember, couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke!
Always well thought out and sensible, Tim. Quality analysis as always.
Tim…as always your remarks are insightful, unbiased and like Rassie and Nienaber you are ahead of your time. You are a Legend and your comments during RWC were nearly as exciting as the matches. Great respect for you and your analysis .
Loving your channel btw @Eggchasers_Rugby. As an ex-player, I have had little appetite to watch the game after retiring but your channel has really engaged me especially regarding the setup of the game.
For me, one of the 2 laws that need to change are the forward pass and the red cards for head contact:
1) I just think the spectacle of the game is ruined when there is so much debate around the forward pass. A bit like off-side in football and the intervention of VAR has made it a really contentious and unclear area. There was a ridiculous forward pass in the Prem this weekend that the TMO didn't over-rule! It was so far forward, it was practically in the carpark before the winger received it! A total joke.
2) And with red cards for every head contact...To be fair, the arbitration of this area has calmed down a little in the last few months, but it got to a point that if I was watching a game and a red card was given for an accidental head collision, I simply changed the channel or turned off the tv entirely. It's killing the game I grew up watching and playing
I had no idea that Warren Gatland wants rugby to become rugby league.
Fewer kicks, fewer scrums - and no 'mark'. Sounds exactly like league to me.
Sounds like a good idea.
Hi mate, i thoroughly enjoy this platform. Thank you for your simple and passionate content. Personally, I would like to see more coverage of the women's game. Keep up the good work.
Hi Tim your unbiased and enlightened thinking view of the game we all love is refreshing. Fully support everything you spoke about rules changes.
If NZ won the WC, Gatland wouldn’t say a thing
Probably because AllBlacks score tries
@@KekeHimonaSo does every other team.
@@danemyburgh Seems the original person who posted thinks Gatland is part of the New Zealand team.
There will always be sport fans who want a running type of rugby…just as…there will be many who love penalty kicking rugby.
For me…I love the kick and chase and kicking for territory. Only thing I dislike is playing for penalties where penalty kicks decide games….and yes….NZL have won some games from penalty kicks. Many of us just want to see laws written clearly so there is no argument.
Thought provoking as always. Agreed with the speeding up, and it has been proved it can be done - the lineout huddle being banned has lead to slightly less time being used up, also the shot clock has improved matters. My only tweak would be a player who has gone down with a head contact that has caused another player to be carded should go for an independently administered 10 minute HIA process.
Great video.
1. Re SA's use of the bench - The game has become a 23 man game and the Boks is probably the international team that has really come to grips with it
2. Time on rucks/caterpillar rucks - The time calls is a valid point but how many times are the ball to the side of the last foot, technically not in the ruck anymore, but players get blown up offsides for going for it. Or when the scrumhalf "positions" the ball in his hands, technically lifting it, meaning the ball is out but players get blown up for going for it
Never heard of the stupid terms caterpillar and jackel 10 years ago.
Very good insightful video. One possible option with the scrum and lineouts taking so long to form is to stop the game clock as soon as the play stops (whistle or ball out of play) and the shot clock starts. If the play is not restarted within the designated 30 or 45 seconds on the shot clock then a free kick is issued. Naturally the game clock is restarted at the point that the scrum or lineout is initiated
I often wonder whether these law changes are actually beneficial to the game as a whole. The game is not played purely by the backs. We (forwards) are as critical to the game as are the backs. We have our place in the game as well. IMHO, the scrum requires a lot of skill, which often gets overshadawed by the perception that the game is exciting when the backs are running the game. Some of these proposed rule changes appear to be geared towards blunting the effect of the forwards.
I agree with u and once they start changing laws to accommodate certain countries I for 1 will stop watching rugby
Scrums are shocking and can ruining a game and your not going to get any new fans through the gates.
@@chrisr5499 Scrums are not shocking, it's the reffing of the scrum rules that are shocking. And there are plenty of new fans. Maybe they are not coming through the gates, but that has nothing to do with scrums.
@@chrisr5499 a good, brutal scrum battle is as good if not better than any slick backing wizardry
The new breed says NO @@alanfriend4287
Think everyone seems to forget that for decades South Africa has been a powerhouse in rugby... even when they were banned from 1st 2 world cups during apartheid .
Rugby has become competitive so why can't you innovate within the rules of rugby... which they have done.
Just no other coach rhought out of the box within the rules
I remember John McFarland at Tuks in 2012/13 doing/coaching the 'caterpillar ruck'. Solid channel, solid video. Keep on keeping on.
Well thought out amd articulated as ever Tim. The only issue i see right now in rugby is referee interpretation in scrums. Scrums aren't boring, but my mate has been a prop for 15 years and even he is baffled by some decisions. We need better clarity for all in scrums. Other than that. Risk and reward as you say for all of Gat's issues
Absolutely loving your channel Tim. As always many valid points from a neutral standpoint.
Like so many things in life, coaches should be looking at being innovative and stop trying to change laws to make it suit your own situation. Plan better.
Bingo. Totally agree
I like your unbiased approach and comments. It's so refreshing. Well done mate. I'm a big fan!
This is the first time I have watched a video on this channel and I thoroughly entertained. I love listening to your thoughts and i am thoroughly impressed by the fact that you look at things from multiple perspectives.
love your passion for the game and agree with pretty much every word. Promotion/Relegation should be implemented. It makes every game count!
The amount of propaganda against scrums, substitutions, rush defence (mostly led by NZ and Aussie media, Fozzy and Gatland) has been outrageous over the last few years. And it is obciously against the Springbok style.
When NZ had the best depth and could put out comfortably the best 23 between 2011-2015 there wasn't a single call to reduce the amount of substitutions. Now that SA has found a way to bring 23 world class players onto the pitch, all of a sudden substitutions must be reduced. Thinly veiled hipocricy. Eddie Jones's England in 2016-2017 kicked a LOT, the rules didn't need to be changed back then. The 50/22 was specifically brought in to depower defences. Be good enough to win on the field then you don't have to try to beat the other team off the field
Please find a way to get your ideas through to world rugby…! I agree 100% with enforcing the current laws as well as speeding up the “dead time” between set pieces. Great ideas mate! Wayne from 🇿🇦
Thanks Tim, appreciate the advocacy you have shown for rugby. Look, the fact that I am a Springbok nut is besides the point! Always tune in to your channel...
One of the reasons I lost interest in rugby more than 10 years ago was because of to many laws coming in and not being applied equally.
You sir are making a difference - well in my view you are brilliant in your reasoning.
Exactly, different rule interpretations are the problem and lead to a perception of bias, especially if a ref doesn't apply the rule consistently within the same game eg. the 'use it' or 'leave it' calls. Watch back certain games and see how one team gets an extra second or 2, whilst the other is penalised almost immediately. Unconscious bias or blatant bias, depends on whether it assists or handicaps your team, I suppose.
Totally agree with your views on stopping the time wasting at the scrum. They have already made an effort to speed up line outs to stop the "team chat" before each one, so why not do the same with the scrum and as you say, award a free kick?
I always enjoy your videos - Thank you for sharing your views and wisdom about the sport of rugby.
Tim, as a Saffa, I love how you speak about the game of theater. World Rugby needs you and your way of thinking when it comes to any changes to the game.
The caterpillar ruck, a blight on the game, thanks Rob.
The same argument is happening in the NBA regarding the 3-point shot.
The only difference is that there's enough data to make a strong argument that the 3-point shot has mathematically made other strategies inviable.
I don't know that there's the same kind of data to support the argument against kicking here.
I'd really like to understand what the rationale is for the change.
There's been a big push in American sports to increase the pace of games and reduce stoppages because it makes for more engaging television, which in turn would theoretically increase profits through higher ratings and more ticket/merch sales.
Major League Baseball has introduced several rules in the last few years to reduce the amount of waiting between pitches.
NFL Football has made a host of rule changes over the last two decades to protect QBs and receivers, that also intentionally favor the team on offense, which translates to more points scored and more excitement.
If there's a compelling data-driven argument to reduce scrums/kicking that would improve the quality of the viewing experience, I'd be receptive to it.
The problem is that doesn't seem to be the argument made here. This feels more like people whining that South Africa is winning in a way that other teams aren't able to replicate (yet) and they're salty about it.
Tim, loving your video's always insightful and fair minded.
Very balanced, insightful analysis. One of the very best analysts 🙏
Nice content, I feel for Gatland as he got a hiding with the Lions tour in SA and with his Wales team so he must be getting desperate. Loved your arguments and fully agree - as the old saying goes - do not play harder but smarter😉
Hard to Gatland seriously, together with Matt Williams. They deserve each other. The 7-1 fuss was so lame.
Great suggestions Tim, specifically just applying the current laws which would mean consistency. More laws (just as in society) is just a further burden while some current laws are not even applied.
1. If the referee calls play then the players need to get on with it, thus the defending side can go for the ball, especially when the scrumhalf has his hand on the ball.
2. Good call on removing the law for a straight throw into the scrums as it isn't applied. I would do the same for lineouts if the defending side doesn't compete.
3. I like the idea of a time limit for forming a lineout or scrum, awarding a free kick to the time who complied.
4. Scrums, interlock the front row, then the locks, then the loosies.
5. When the jackler goes for the ball, let them step over the tackled player if they come through the gate/channel (as original laws), would get rid of a lot of ambiguity about staying on feet, hands on ground etc. Or even better, bring back rucking.
6. Change the 22 to 20 meters, so less area to call a mark.
Tim you nailed it again with this one. Not biased and honest content will gain you the respect of any rugby supporter on the planet.
Keep it up Mate 👍
Great video, amazing content. If you bring in new laws it will hurt the game. It's funny that teams like NZ aren't overly worried about the laws. They just figure out how to get better. Seems funny to me that laws need to be change to push down teams that are just better than the rest.
Great vid Tim. Rugby's biggest problem is coaches, commentators, and pundits bad monthing the games, focusing on the supposed bad. I agree that let's first enforce the current laws before we change everything. I lost all my respect for Galant after the B&I series.
Your ''ball in straight at the scrum'' is such a good point.
Apply the laws or get rid of them!
(That was at the heart of Rassies rebellion a few years ago)
Well done! Great piece, summed it all up perfectly. ❤
Adding laws because they're not enforcing the original laws is not the answer. I agree with more free kicks. I''ve said this for years. This will definitely speed up the game.
And Gatland has been complaining about South African rugby for ages and who can blame him... Springboks knocked them out of the 2019 rwc, beat the Lions in 2021, and then smashed them a few months ago. Poor bugger
Even though South Africa play a forward game we could easily play attack too with players like manie willie am kolbe arendse etc we can choose which way we want to play and still do well either way most other teams would play the same if they could aside from the abz and france they have there own way of playing the all blacks,wallabies actually used to be good at scrums but then they started forgetting about the dirty work referees should definitely speed up a scrum decisions sometimes i do notice that referees are actually making calls quicker in scrums and letting go of forward passes in club rugby but not test rugby
you are helping me understand and love the game more thank you 🙏🙏
Neutral and great comments, mate!! Tim, I am SA, I like your analysis, honesty and inside in the great game. I love Kiwi passing, many phases rugby but I was blown by our Rassie strategy. This game requires analysis and great strategies!! The athletes at this level they all fit and smart but the strategy would or should be the difference over your opponent and use of your strength. I am enjoying our state of affairs. Laws must protect and keep the athletes safe. I am happy with that, not forgetting rugby is the contact sport. Great Tim
In last year’s 6N IRE v FRA was for some the best game ever. Then successively SA Ire, Ire NZ, and SA France.
If in one calendar year you have four widely considered GOAT matches and a WC with at least five absolute epics, why would you think there to be anything wrong with the laws?
Couldn't agree more
10p% agree, guess it’s cuz of the noise made on social media
Eye of the beholder isn't it. I enjoyed all of those games, but completely disagree with goalline dropouts, fairly mixed opinion on 50-20s, but ultimately, I just want the stoppages stopped. As Tim pointed out, the laws just need to be applied, and one of them is time wasting which is, for a lot of rugby fans, killing the game intentionally
Remember, any rules that change, South Africa can also adapt to!
They have such a rich bank of Rugby talent to pull from, so changes shouldn't be positioned as punishing them for their great successes (which have all been achieved within the rules and spirit of the game), but rather as creating a game that rewards a little bit more positive attacking mindset over out and out suffocation.
I'm all for changes that advantage backs play over forwards. The problem is the 8/7 split - there will always be more forwards than backs on a union field and that numerical dominance will always be exploited by teams like South Africa, who play to their strengths. The problem I have with the likes of Gatland is that he's clearly proposing rule changes that do not benefit the game of rugby. They benefit him and the small pool of players he has to work with at Wales.
@@davesmith826 I think everyone fears these changes might remove the contest from the set piece, but there will always be parity. There are no props in the world setting records over 10k, so we go slightly back to a game we had before automatic tight five replacements, to let natural fatigue allow things to open up.
Super, Tim. Interesting and informative. Thanks.
As ever, great content, always relevant and always unbiased, brilliant
They should rather have one "exhibition" match per year where there are only two rules ( no forward passes, and the dead/out ball) ( and of course, foul play rules), and then see what teams can come up with to make the game play "better"...
Lions vs Babas every 4 years 👀👀
Cancelling the mark will lead to more kicking but it will benefit attacking team so could make for more exciting attacking options in the last Q. I watched a game between the AB and Boks from 1976 the other day and one could call for a mark basically anywhere. It killed the flow of the game. To a lesser extent the current mark calls also sometimes kill forward momentum and attacking flow
They can also just stop kicking the ball directly into the opposing 22 when theyre actively attacking
@@lluvik2450 Sometimes kicking is the most effective way to penetrate a defence and the ability to mark just kills attacking play. There is little more exciting in a game of rugby than a ball bouncing around behind a defence or an isolated defender fielding the all in the face of chasing players.
@@nerdyali4154yeah but im specifically talking about directly kicking the ball into the 22 with the hopes of chasing it only for the fullback to easily catch it
Love this video. I 100% agree with everything you said Tim. It's like the famous economist Thomas Sowell said..."there are no solutions, only trade offs". And that replies to rugby also. Simple example was all the calls (with a lot coming from one particular Aussie commentator in Ireland) for no more penalties at scrums. People forget what it used to be like when there were no penalties for scrum offenses. Those with less powerful scrums just cheated the system with hinging and sideways walking - it was a nightmare. And completely neutralised anyone from using the scrum as a weapon. A lot of these calls for change do come from NZ and Australia. NZ just love running rugby and completely respect that but Aussie rugby is in turmoil and they keep thinking they're going to turn the ship if they make rugby more like the other sports they compete with. They would be far better off celebrating the differences and as you say, developing something with jeopardy. Anyway, my rant over! Love your work mate!😀
Great content as always Tim 👍. On the laws, its a real indictment on the current encyclopedia when new watchers of the sport constantly have to ask but why this delay or that ruling makes no sense. We need drastic simplification to attract new interest and keep existing disciples of this special game
Also better reffing. The refs have been kak for many years.
South African teams are adding spice to European comps.
We have a nice saying in SA.... "Gatlin se poes"
He must voetsek!
Hi Tim, would be interesed in your thoughts on the current conflict between the RFU and Championship clubs in England. Great content by the way.
Another excellent, insightful post Tim, outstanding. You're my favourite rugby pundit at this point. How do we get you into a position to influence some of these decisions?
Gatland is really coming across as being salty. These law changes he's suggesting are not going to help him be a better coach and achieve better results with Wales
Hi bro
As a springbok fan i appreciate your objectivity and your analysis is not mingled with emotion.You are english but i can hear you a rugby student who knows what he ia talking about.Keep up the great work.
7:40 "We need to create more drama. We need to make rugby moments matter more, not have more laws" The best comment about rugby ever!
Hi Tim, thank you for a very good, well balanced and brilliant presented video/program and above all I salute you for your objectivity! The four rugby WCs that the Springboks won always reminded me of what the late SA rugby coach, Dr. Danie Craven said, and I quote, " Some games are won by the bounce of the ball, and it depends on who can master the bounce". I know I am right that I can say with honesty that all South Africans respect anybody and any team that wear their national jerseys on the field knowing what an honor it is. My following comment, a few weeks ago, sums up how South Africans approach the Rugby World-"JPR Williams--Absolute Brilliant and Gentleman! As a Strong Springbok supporter, I both Admired and Hated him for his Brilliance! May he rest in peace and condolences to his family and friends"!!!
If theres less kicking no one will get past teams like south africa or ireland on their defense. People will play the rules and try milk rug penalties on defenders. The game will get super boring.
100% agree.
Get super boring ?
You are so right, laws are being changed to curb SA rugby. Some just need to become rugby league coaches, pundits. Their idea is to kill the skills of scrums, lineouts and rugs and mauls. Rugby is a sport that is multi-facet. A beautiful sidestep, is as good as winning a opposition lineout. We need these different aspects for this complete the beautiful game of rugby. Different game plans and shapes and sizes make our game beautiful. Do not make new laws to kill any facet of our game.
The way England play and South Africas semi final and the final of the world cup was the complete opposite of what Rugby League is esp the NRL.
Some great insight into speeding up the game. Love your work
Your comment about the time taken to form the scrum could also be applied to the lineout. The team who are throwing in will stand around holding a conference for ages before sauntering up to the mark and forming the lineout. If they only had 20 seconds to get the line formed or concede a free kick that would add a lot more playing time.