Being Drafted Out of High School vs College
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Hey Matt, I've been watching videos about the facilities at D1 schools for their baseball programs. Appears to have it all. Beautiful weight rooms, training rooms (injury prevention/rehab), nutrition centers, common/relaxation areas for players, facilities for pitching and batting and of course the clubhouse and field.
How does D1 facilities and training compare to A, AA, AAA and even MLB facilities compare?
Hey Matt, I took the offer out of HS, played 4 yrs, and then went to college at 23. I went because I wasn't sure if I would ever get another shot to be a pro athlete. I did feel like the old guy in my classes, but intramural sports was fun lol. If I had to do it again, I would have probably gone the juco route to develop my game and my body because you are thrown in to playing with grown men, and if you aren't ready to compete everyday, it is a wake up call for sure. Keep up the great videos.
BellaGsdad did you take it for the bonus?
Drew Guise the bonus was nice, but my parents and I agreed that most of it would go in to a trust fund just in case pro ball didn't work out. It was a smart move bc most everyone I knew blew their money on stupid stuff.
if you don't mind whats your name or round you got drafted in
Very interesting and thanks for sharing!!! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@nowellclay1283 I agree. What is ur name and when was u drafted
Thank you for the video.
A typical pitcher should probably be more inclined to sign out of high school than a typical position player. The minor league development staff will likely have more emphasis on keeping the pitcher healthy, whereas a college coach has competing interests.
Thanks!!! Good points! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thats true
Great point!
I was never a baseball player but I find this to be very interesting. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Thanks for being so honest in your sharing your baseball experiences, Matt...
Played with this one pitcher who was lights out, 6’6 220 pounds with a high velocity fastball and went to the Giants in the 7th round. Played through the lower ranks and just fell off the rails because of the lifestyle. He said its the hardest grind in pro sports. Even in hockey, the OHL and minor leagues are basically treated as pros but in baseball your just another player in the minor leagues that gets no exposure. Doesn’t help that he loved to party but even from a young age I thought he would make it to the Show, funny how things worked out
Yup seen that happen to quite a few players. Thanks for watching and commenting!!!
Gotta have plan B guys, education. Great video.
Thanks so much!
But does an education hold up if you haven’t used it for 5 years? There’s a huge difference between having a college degree and joining the workforce. Most of the time you still need to learn how to do your job. So if you have a degree but you took the path of pro at a sport. There’s a good chance you won’t be able to utilize the degree you have.
I'd go to College and if you don't make it as a ball player at least you'll have a degree.
@@dunnock343 An OLD guy here. On day ONE after college you realize that hardly anything you learned in college actually applies to your new job EXCEPT learning how to learn, and technical stuff like Math, Accounting and Science. But remembering that the Battle of Hastings was fought and won by William the Conqueror in 1066 will NEVER come up outside the lunch room. So, no, and I've hired ex pro athletes, the time away isn't the biggest issue. In fact, hiring a varsity Athlete who went Pro assures me I've got a person who has teh discipline and work ethic and COMPETITIVENESS to WIN at business. I've also been the old guy finishing college. And it worked for me. I studied hard, and efficiently. I was a Dorm Counselor my Jr. Year, and Head of a Dorm my Senior year which was super for finances, AND it gave me serious time to help other younger students and keep my mind occupied why I learned Accounting, Marketing, and WHY the Battle of Hasting was so important. And 55 years later I still remember.
The discipline and work ethic from a Pro Ball experience, added to Varsity sports (ANY SPORT) are the important things that last a lifetime. Same was true for Military vets who rose to E-4 and above, and O-2, especially, O-3 and above.
As I re-read your post, I think I'm more agreeing with you and just adding to your argument, that what you say about joining the workforce applies to Varsity Sports And Pro Sports. It's about the values, not so much the content--Specialty trades aside--that make the difference.
You'll never get what you want if you're putting time and thought into a Plan B.
An amazing amount of info!!thanks anto!!
Matt Bush is someone who comes to mind about why you shouldn't be drafted out of high school. He wasn't emotionally mature and got in a lot of trouble off the field. On the field he struggled as a position player and they had to convert him into a pitcher. Thankfully he cleaned up and has an opportunity to pitch in the majors in the bullpen. Josh Hamilton is another example.
Great video, thanks Matt!
If you go to college as a pitcher you can throw your arm out vs. out of high school and be great in the pros
Another home run video......Thanks for sharing
Thanks a bunch!!!
Wow man.. great content. Thanks for doing this.
Thank you!!! Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
I would definitely recommend taking the college route. Two months after HS graduation, I went straight to the military. I regretted it for many years. It was the same for me, I was shipped off to Air Force basic training and after, it was tech school and then permanent duty station. At this time, my friends were all still back home. Some were in college and some working, but they all were pretty much around. I feel like I missed out on the social life that I could of had for another year or two. Later as I would come home on leave, my friends were all too busy. They couldn't just drop what they were doing to hang out with me. It was a hard transition to go from beach bum directly to an Airman working B52s on the flightline. I got out of the Air Force in '96 and went to college. I think collage is a time of your life like high school. You are going to come away from college, hopefully along with a degree, with a lot of memories.
Fellow USAF veteran myself (1N4 SIGINT) and I agree 100%. I wish I woulda waited until I was at least legal age to drink before joining. 21, maybe 22. Enjoyed whats left of my youth youth before being thrust into an adults world that frankly I was too immature for at the time. I won't say I regret it because serving my country looking back on it was the best years of my life but I do wonder "what if..." at times.
Appreciate your service n sacrifices only a fellow brother or sister could understand my man.
3-2-3 in basic, 316th in tech school. Stayed 316th after tech for permanent duty station as well
These videos are amazing
Outstanding video.
I absolutely love these videos
Thank you!!
Great advice!!!!
Hey Matt, great video! Do you watch a lot of MLB? As someone who's played professionally, are there any things you notice watching a game that the average fan might miss completely? Just curious with the season coming up. Hope you're having a great evening!
Thanks! I don't watch a lot of MLB but do watch. I watch it more from the eyes of a coach than just for fun. Thanks for watching and commenting!
YOU HIT IT SPOT ON!!!!!!!!
Wow. You’ve got so much I never thought about! I guess living the dream is sometimes a nightmare. I was one of those “shitty” players you would have seen in high school, but man do I love to reminisce about those days! Still miss those city league summers. Grew up wanting to be Ozzie Smith. All in all I guess my life has been much easier. Thanks for the perspective.
No problem thanks for watching!
Antonelli Baseball It’s been a pleasure. Your channel has become my latest addiction. Since I mentioned wanting to be Ozzie growing up, and you played for the Padres, here’s a bit of trivia: when Ozzie retired and was asked what his favorite play was he pointed to one he made when he was a Padre. Pretty wild since except his rookie season he was a lifelong Cardinal. It’s up on CZcams but I’m a tech dummy so...no link. Sorry. It involved a bare handed catch and an amazing throw.
My question is this: I noticed in the comments on one of your other videos that you said when you watch baseball these days you tend to notice things from a coaching aspect. For my own part I have come to largely dislike the “longball”. On the other hand I love to see a perfect bunt, a guy hustling to beat out a throw, or a fielder catching a guy trying to do too much, rounding a base too hard, or just a cannon shot from the outfield. What aspects of the game do you just love to see? What gets your pulse racing?
By the way, no way in hell you’re a bust.
thx very much for the vid even tho I am late
great advice
Matt when did you know you had a chance to get drafted and how did you pursue that process
My senior year of high school I had a really good idea because scouts started telling me where they thought I would go. I honestly didn't do anything different just kept playing. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Your videos are really interesting. I'm a baseball fan, which is how I found you in the first place, but I think your stories would be interesting to non-baseball fans too. Have you ever considered writing a book?
Thanks!!! I haven’t, but a lot of people have asked
Great insight sir, as a father your information is extremely valuable to help us direct our children as they grow.. Thank you for all your time and effort you put in..
Thanks so much!!! Thank you for watching!
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I was drafted by an MLB team out of high school and I wasn't even offered a scholarship..... Yea dude 100% correct I was offered an A ball contract at $1,000 a month and I'm not the biggest dude in the world..... I had no chance..... I was drafted in the 46th round and I was like "thanks"........ I have ZERO regrets ........ I'm actually a hockey player......... I'd rather progress my life and just have fun playing beer league hockey instead of going through all that minor league bullshit .........
But yea man you hit the nail on the head totally......
@YGM Riley Yeah but he got a boost from the juice
@YGM Riley Piazza was never known for his catching ability. Juice doesn't make a good catcher but endure the season long wear and tear.
@@MeneTekelUpharsin Piazza didn't use steroids
With that mindset off course u had no chance
It is what you make out of it... we have a friend who was drafted in 26th round out of HS as a pitcher and turned down the offer. He then developed 3 yrs in college and was taken #17 overall in the draft and forewent his Sr. year of college. My son followed the same thinking, taken in 14th round as a catcher out of HS... then blew up his knee playing. But, he now has his MBA to fall back upon.
What you said about high school and how it's different, the coaching, players not playing past high school etc. I agree completely. Our coach told us in these exact words "I only care about playing and winning conference games, nothing else." So non conference games he'd just half ass it and throw guys out there. Says a lot about how different it can be with the levels of play and coaching. Now Matt, conference or non conference wouldn't you want to try and win every time you step on the field?
I think depending on the age, you are always trying to win, but you don't want to put winning ahead of development at certain levels. With our younger players we want to develop the players #1 and win #2. Thanks for watching our stuff and commenting!!
Well fom a development standpoint that makes sense what you're saying. However this coach in my school, he did not care one bit about any of that. He was the keyboarding class teacher and was only there for the extra paycheck. He actually had to ask one of us his players what a balk was, and he's our coach! That says it all there. He also took bribes from parents as well. Be thankful you didn't have to go through any of that and actually got some good coaching to go somewhere with your talent. This coach of ours screwed over many guys.
may depend on where you come from as well... those players from latin countries or the caribbean... life is very different, so college is probably not even an option. The youngest guy I ever saw in the majors was Andruw Jones from Curaçao.... the guy was like 18 years old and played for the Braves against the Yankees in the ‘96 world series... he hit like 2 HRs in game 1... guy was a freak.
My favorite player of all time. I remember growing up going to yankees braves game. I had a relative who was a former player and at the time was coaching with the yankees so i had to pretend i wasn't a braves fan. The 94-98 braves were my fav teams of any era. Kenny lofton, Andruw Jones, Brian jordan, chipper jones, smoltz, maddox, fred mcgriff.
One thing about college vs. High school is leverage. A good high school prospect with good grades can have options and leverage that with scouts. Pro scouts may overpay to keep you from going college...but you have to have solid college offers. In college, you better hope to sign no later than junior year. I've seen many (as a pro scout) who lose that leverage as a senior in college. What other options other than indy ball do they have? It will be used against the player...because of options and because of another year older.
College pitchers are getting better now because the coaches are learning more in development. Back in my day, college coaches were notorious for burning out arms because of a short schedule, playing 2 doubleheaders a weekend and burning arms, plus a lot of pitchers also played other positions. Unless top D1 programs, you were at risk of burning your arm and not getting proper training. We stayed away from those guys. Maybe if they were a fit, big athlete...but that was rare.
Absolutely!! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@AntonelliBaseball So you and Troy Fraser are saying now days college coaches know how to better care for a pitchers' arms? Back in my day (LOL) the 70s, college and high school coaches were notorious for pitching their one good pitcher over and over and ruining their arms...... BTW, terrific channel! Ex-high school ballplayer here, not a fan AT ALL anymore, but you tell some great stories! Continued good success with it.
Don't know if you look at comments on older videos or not, but here goes! I haven't seen that you've given your opinion on this issue. MLB has proposed to reduce the milb teams by 25 percent. Seems like high school draftees would have less opportunity, as I assume more of the rookie or lower levels would be impacted. What impacts do you think this would have?
@11:30 I went to school when I was older. I worked nights and went during the day. Took me 6 years instead of 4. It was not fun. If your older and don't make it. I recommend apprenticeship or trade school as you need to be making money right a way.
Also the Red Sox had a good farm system and they would trade 3 young rookies for 1 veteran to win now. That strategy didn’t work until 2004.
Could you do a video on travel ball vs high school??
It's either already up or coming soon! Thanks for watching and commenting!
I never had my shot, but if I did I would sign out of highschool. Why? Because, I wouldn't have gone to college if I wasn't going to be in the college mindset. Why would I go to have classes feel like a drag and get through every week for 4 years with a "I'm doing this because I have to" way of thinking.
Also, with the money made at pro ball, which would not be much but something is something, I would save that to help pay for tuition. I mean I would have had zero money out of high school now I would have something.
Third reason is that we peak physically at age 25. Youth is short and I want to push myself to the absolute limit and see how far I am able to go. I have the rest of my life to be slow and empower the mind.
This is just my personal take on the matter.
Gabriel Vazquez that is true! I hope to play in the MLB one day and this comment inspired me
@@dylanwimbs7520 go for it!
we physically peek 24-29.
How good were you in highschool?
I think the short of it that playing D1 college gives the baseball player more options with life outside of baseball because unless they receive a large signing bonus, that's most of the money they're going to make because not every player makes it to the "show" regardless of their amateur talent.
Many people talk about a “backup plan”, but what about those who do make it? How important is it to have an “exit plan”?
I think it would be very rough getting drafted out of high school and for some reason cut right away. Can you imagine being a nineteen or twenty year old going to college KNOWING you could play with those guys bad unfortunately being done for going professional? If my sons ever have the talent to get drafted they are going to college.
Can you talk about getting injured early after being drafted or going into college ? Does the team frown on a player and hope he rehabs properly or do they support injury and help with the recovery and rehab process?
They really helped with rehab and recovery, but I think got a bit annoyed after a while lol. Thanks for watching and commenting!
As a fan I prefer prospects who signed young... I'd been told they would be conditioned better, in college playing for championships and what not can really wear an arm out. What's your thought on that as a former player, now a coach?
It really depends I guess. I’ve seen both good and bad. Thanks so much for commenting and watching our videos!
How much did they try to draft you out of high school?
Could you write a book on hitting??
Probably haha! Thanks for watching and commenting!
YOU SEE THE BALL, YOU HIT THE BALL. TRY NOT TO MAKE IT COMPLICATED.
The problem with going to NCAAB even if you were drafted out of HS is, the player pool is humongous. You have every 3 year player from 4 yr universities, every player on JC or 2 year college teams, every other HS Senior in the USA, plus every HS & College player in PR & Canada.
If you are drafted in the 1st Rd, you almost HAVE to go. If you're a HS player drafted in Rds 2-3, but given an overslot bonus, so you're getting 1st Rd money, you almost have to go.
It's life changing money. If you don't get much better in NCAAB, you'll be drafted lower, miss out on $$ & probably not get as many chances because you're no longer a high pick. You'll never have a chance to make up that kind of money
I have heard if, you can't go between the 3rd and first round, take the college offer
Seems like you can potentially get a much larger signing bonus out of college than hs just going of your experience
that seems like another big plus
It really depends. If you are a talented player who is getting recruited by top baseball schools, the pro team will offer you a nice bonus to forego college because you have a good option to go to. If you get drafted after three years in college, you'll still get a pretty good bonus because pro teams will try and coax you out of finishing your college career. If you play out your eligibility in college, though, and get drafted as a college senior, you're going to get almost no signing bonus because you have no other options. They'll also draft you, usually, at lower rounds than you should be because, again, they don't have to pay much for you since you don't have any other options.
Hey Antonelli what MLB team do you go for?
He's a wise man, he grew up rooting for the world's greatest, Boston Red Sox
some of these guys coming out of high school get there tuition paid for by the team that drafts them if they don't make it to the MLB. Happened to a guy from my hometown with the Reds, had Tommy John and a couple are problem after a couple of years and decided to retire at like 23 or 24 and got a full ride to a state school in Ohio
Yup I got some money for my senior year at Wake Forest. Thanks for watching and commenting!
If your daddy is cal ripken Sr. Or brooks robinsons dad who wrote letters for him to people he "knew" Then go pro. If not go to college
Who drafted you out of high school and what round?
Benjamin Garcia you can look at that on mlb at bat or mlb.com
dodgers
Dodgers 19th round. Thanks for watching and commenting!
I’d personally declare for the draft when I’m already committed to college and try to get drafted out of high school to help my draft stock if I get drafted out of college
You don't have to declare for the draft you are automatically entered after your senior year of high school
@@AntonelliBaseball really?
Hey what were your stats like in college?
Gabe D'Angelo look it up.
Hey Matt I have a some questions regarding marijuana use in the mlb . I know other sports have bans on it, what about the mlb. And did you know anyone who smoked while playing? On or off-season
Cody Bellinger definitely uses it😂
I know alot of guys in the pros that vape after games or on the road
@@yarchism imagine being out of middle school and still vaping😂
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Hey Matt are you going to be at Providence Slugfest with the 17u team? My team's playing there (Ville-Marie Vipers 18u), and we got a lot of fans of yours on the team!
Yes we will be there! Say hi if you see us!
Did Bellinger work his way through the system? I know he’s young
He went though pretty fast
Do you think your career would have better had you started pro ball as a HS player? Would you have become a better player faster going against better competition? Don't MLB teams pay for college for the HS players they draft?
It's a very good question and tough to really know. They do pay for college. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Plan C, you must maintain a C average or better in college.
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I know this is probably extremely rare, but are there any guys out of high school who have went right up to the big leagues?
Dave Winfield went from College straight to the Majors,but he had offers from NFL and NBA so he used that as leverage to go straight to the Majors and he had enough talent to make the transition easily
Jim Abbott went from U of Mich straight to Angels..(was drafted after HS $50,000. Bonus from Toronto) ...
My son one hit the number three 16u team in the nation Saturday and they won't even let him pitch in high school. Pretty funny actually.
What?
@@Frankybeanselevators politics. Coaches son pitches as well as kids on coaches sons travel team. My son has got the shaft since elementary school in our county. He made the American legion team this year and it wouldn't surprise me if they don't cut him from varsity next year. He can play any position very well. He caught for American legion and played third and out field. He pithed one inning to n American legion and got the out of a j and never saw the mound again. Roanoke VA is who you know. Not what you know
@@Frankybeanselevators he also gets straight A's but says he doesn't even think he wants to go to college anymore. His self esteem has been ruined by it all over the years. He sits on the bench watching kids strike out knowing how much better he is
felt like you were 50 years out school LOL I went back to school I already had an MBA but I wanted to teach Special ed at 40 years old Before that I was an Officer in the USMC and then work for Boeing. I was so frustrated how bureaucratic college was. Just dealing with the college was a joke. I just felt like a lot stuff I took for granted at 18 was no longer acceptable. I can laugh about it now but it was not fun. You must of felt similar to me.
I think every institution has its politics. College for someone at 18, 19 years old is a different mindset when someone goes back to college in their 30's, 40's because they're established and don't view the world as an 18 ,19 year old would.
what about guys like Bryce Harper, Mike Trout, A-Rod, and Juan Soto who left after high school but got to the MLB when they were like 19 years old? Are they just anomalies or is it common if you come out on fire and ready they'll accelerate your progression?
They were very very fast. Most don't make it that fast, but it can happen. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Alotta guys I know that wen to college ended up being drafted lower after their junior year than out of HS..
I’m living in Ohio and Im not even in high school and I don’t think I would make it out if I got drafted of high school and I also want finish my education.
Is your beard red or brown
You had restrictions in the waight room? That sounds really stupid!
why are there so much more high schoolers drafted than college players? Then high schoolers seem to have fuller MLB careers, from some drafts that i saw???
This one kid in on3 of my physical science classes was drafted out of high school. He never tried and I failed him. He couldn’t graduate and had to go to summer school. But he HAD to go into the minors bc he would never get into college.
3DayPriest don’t you have to graduate to be drafted
“As a young player you’re not gonna move through the system fast”
Wasn’t Bryce Harper stealing home with the Phillies at 19?
Bryce Harper was drafted by the NATs. He's only been with my Phillies the last 2 seasons
It’s a bad idea to draft someone out of high school bc they’re not developed enough unless they’re an absolutely incredible baseball player
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Abraham Gomez follow him on instagram and his emails there
"Its really hard to just jump back into school at 23" My experience getting out of the military.
Hugh Jass thanks for your service!
Ay what leven do you start getting pay
Rookie Ball. Once you become a professional you get paid. Thanks for watching!
You were drafted by the dodgers they have a great minor league system I don't no about now but 1960 thru 2000 at least you ever wonder
Wanna play pro baseball in the US after high school? Enter the draft. Wanna play pro basketball in the US after high school? Think about the children!
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John 3:16-21
MATT: YOU NEVER COVERED THE STUPID ADVISORS THAT NEVER PLAYED BASEBALL BUT TRY TO ACT LIKE THEY KNOW OVER LOAD TRAINING OR THE 6-12 PLAY OR THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CONTROL AND COMMAND OR THE 4 ITEMS TO SEND TO A PRO SCOUT OR A SCOUTING DIRECTOR.
Not to mention you need a bigger bonus out of high school to last all those years of making shit money.