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Send it to Hardtail Party! Let him go over it and check it out. Loads of modern hardtail experience. Might be able give some good fine tune feedback and has recently be through the design, proto, production process
This, steve would probably be down to check this out
Don't send it to hardtail party. It's your bike
PLEASE! The external rear brake would be a godsend. That’s my only dislike of the Redwood. There’s zip ties on mine right now because of the reason you stated.
If Poseidon is committing to the machined dropouts that bolt onto the chainstay/seatstay, then you should just have separate dropouts for 27.5 and 29. With the 29 having a longer effective chainstay length so you can maintain chainring clearance. Plus you'd be able to manipulate the bb drop so it works better for each wheelsize. With a 29/27.5 swappable bike, a 29 100mm fork with 29" wheels will have about the same stack as a 140mm 27.5 setup. So you could have a 29 xc bike and 27.5 trail bike all in one with swappable rear dropout things, whatever you call them. The brake mount would probably have to be attached to the dropout things though and not the frame.
Yay! A MTB designed by a bike mechanic and rider! This all resonates with me, except for that fucking color haha
29 x 2.4....yep! And a gold star for the rear brake mounting with the cable going down! So many current bikes have the cable going up, a water entry hot spot if you don't run hydraulics. One last thing....Being me, I'd add another boss for adjusting water bottle mounting 😁
Good call on mounting the rear caliper on top of the seat stay instead of between the chainstay and seatstay. Also makes it easier to upgrade to larger rear rotors. For the rear brake hose routing external is fine but centered zip tie bosses on the bottom of the top tube would be sweet so it would also work well with moto style brakes (rear brake lever on the left), or if it ends up internal double ports on both side would be sweet!
5:00 if you criss cross the brake/mech hoses/cable exiting this hole, then put really tight zip ties on the first mount you will get more tyre clearance to the cables.
I had a factory 2.3" tyre buzz thru my brakes this year. Once you tweak the rim slightly you'll lose brakes in 1 km or less.
The hanger is a bit disappointing. Would be nice to see something like the SRAM universal hanger so it can be found in just about every shop and replaced cheaply.
The external routing looks amazing and well thought out. Also that frame screams 29er wheels. I still think that full hydrolic may be the way to go for the small price incease. I am so down to get this when it goes into production
Here are some things I would change:
1. Shorten the head tube as much as possible. When swapping forks or getting used forks, many people cut their steerer tubes down and looking at the head tube on the bike, it seems long by a good 2cm which can make a big difference when shopping for a used fork.
2. Bottle mounts. Add at least 2 or three more sets. On the seat tube, under the top tube near the seat tube, on top of the top tube near the steerer tube. This is to mount accessories, tools, mounts to carry tubes, pumps, bags, etc. Adding mounts eliminates the need for straps around the frame. Do this on all frame sizes, not just medium and large.
3. ISCG 05 tabs. I am not sure if they are on there, but having the option to run a top guide, lower bash or full chain guide is a big plus.
4. Shorten the chainstays. If you rework the junction between the chainstays and the BB you can still have room for 29er wheels.
5. Include an extra derailleur hanger with the bike.
6. if you do not include a dropper post, include a QUALITY seat quick release so that people and raise and lower their seats with ease.
7. Ensure that a 200mm rotor will fit on the rear of the bike.
8. Have two options for rear brake hose routing. External on the top tube, seat stay and internal.
9. Consider having two options for the rear shift cable as well. Given the smooth straight line of the top tube to the seat stay, putting dual hose tabs on the under side of the top tube, the line will stay clean and cable/hose routing is simple and quick to access.
10. A rubber molded chain stay protector to keep the bouncing chain totally silent would be nice.
Good luck
Geo looks on point!
So glad to see another budget entry into the hardcore hardtail market. Trek should have released a bare bones Roscoe 6 that was based off of the new frame instead of recycling last gens. Especially now that the CAD price is up to $2199 for the 7.
Riding in style is all about the paint 👌🏻
I def love the top mounted rear brake caliper! So easy to tinker!
another way to achieve the 2 wheel sizes, with less compromises, is have swappable drop outs. Would just take modifiying the brake side... chainstay gets longer and more BB drop for 29". you can now have the short chainstay on the 27.5 set up as well.
You might have coaxed me out of my N+1 drought! It has everything I would have requested and a bit more. Needs to have the Norton headbadge.
It looks sick with the 29's on it. Will there be room for 2.6" tires at 29?
I love the attention to swap and mods ie 29" wheel option. You are really checking all the boxes for ppl to up grade and change the bike to what they want. Awesome ride
You deserve many more subs !
I usually have no interest in modern bikes as I like to tinker with my old stuff hence why I like this channel so much but I do like the thought process behind this. This one could be the one to persuade me to buy new again!
Looks good, might need one
Any chance this will be available as a frame only option it fixes the one thing I don't like about my hardtail that is boost rear spacing but with a quick release.
I really hope Poseidon will sell this bike in Germany, too 🥺 it seems to be the perfect place to start a seriously cool hardtail project! Great stuff!
Yeah I agree the shifting cable is great internally routed but brake would be amazing externally. Is the bb shell 68mm or 73mm or something else? Moving to a wider bb shell would help with clearance for the 29er wheels. It keeps getter better and better great work.
I ordered the Poseidon Norton frame last week. Received it a few days ago to discover the top of the headtube was dented in so I couldn't insert the top headset bearings. Poseidon is sending a replacement frame for free but unfortunately, I am having to send the damaged frame back, wait for them to inspect it, and then they will ship out the replacement frame and in the meantime, I don't have a bike to ride. I'm kind of angry that they aren't just shipping the frame out immediately. I don't suppose you can use some of your pull to get them to ship out the frame immediately. They'll know who I am when you mention the dented headtube.
Thanks and Shalom for turning me on to Marino bikes. This bike looks amazing broh much love. You shredded that Canadian Shield cross country amazing test ground
Cant wait for this bike to be released. I think this is going to be the new bike for me.
Every video of the Norton bike that gets uploaded i get more and more keen to buy one as my first intro to modern mtbing!!
hopefully these will be sold in Australia?
Adding external brake cable mounts is a good idea indeed!😎👍🏻
The fact that this has rear boost thru axle is such a win! I ended up with a Rockrider XC100 as it was the only budget hardtail (xc) that had this at its price
The framset is looking awesome. Will definitely be looking into on of these when available. If available to the UK?
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The gap at the bottom of the down tube must an industry standard, my 22' Giant Cross City is the same. To have a birds eye view on the R & D is really interesting, will you be trying a mullet set up?
It looks good as a 29er. I think giving people the option to use what I assume will be 29 or 27.5 up to plus tire size is good from a consumer perspective.
Make it fit 29 wheels. Use sram UDH hanger. Bing bang boom
I have 0 problems with cables on the out side of frame , boost spacing is prefect. What’s going to be the color options not a fan of yellow lol
8:00 please change that Bend on the chain stay
Rear brake routing comment here. I’m also a total home mechanic hack. I taught myself to poorly bleed hydraulic brakes. I upgraded the brakes on my MTB and first thing I did was cut the rear brake hose down to size even though it was pre-bled. I’m not saying route the rear brake external for this reason, but my take is folks who are gonna install a rear brake themselves are going to be able to bleed it as well. I don’t know. I’m honestly torn on external vs internal on the rear brake. End ramble.
Also, I really need to know more about the mechanical disc brakes on this bike. The levers look crazy crazy sketch. One finger braking is probably one of the best upgrades I’ve made that’s improved my ability on aggressive terrain so I’m personally sensitive to crappy brakes.
Would this come in multicolor? My vote is for the yellow
Please lower the bottom bracket, make it 29er compatible and use the SRAM UDH.
Hey I had a question on the Poseidon redwood drop bar if you put a 700c skinny tires on it would it be as fast or faster than the Poseidon x and when's that new hardtail coming out from Poseidon
Looks like a great bike not to overdone as a cross country or down country.
Will it be 2.6 max for both tire sizes or will you want it to be 27.5x3.0 and 29x2.5? Would be real cool if it can fit at least 29x2.5 in the back for everyone or 2.6 for those of us in the dessert.
is the xcm 34 a coil fork? if so I'd recomend trying to spec the bike out with at least suntours cheapest air fork before thinking about adding a dropper to the stock build. I'm assuming the pricepoint this bike will be at will put it competing with the vitus nucleus and the air fork is what helps set it apart from most other hardtails in the pricerange. but otherwise geometry, boost spacing, tapered headtube, and through axles are all good and necessary choices.
If you added a removable dropouts on both sides then the bike could be easily convertible to 142x12 or 148x12 ( or 157x12 ) and 27.5/27.5+/29 wheels. Also - a bike without an ability to run 38T ring ( or a double ring front ) is useless for me. But that is my preference, I guess.
I’m a bit slow and frequently wrong but I have also worked as an industrial mechanic and will never understand the point of putting grease on the outside of a sealed bearing like you did with your headset. All that does is make contaminants that make their way into the head tube stick to the outside of the bearing. Please explain.
Hey Eric are there going to be any steel versions of the Norton?
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I have the X frameset, and I'm excited about it. But I'm a little put off. When I ordered it, it was missing a few things, thankfully I got those things. But I also do not have clear coat on the frame. So my frame was scratched the second it touched the air basically. Does anyone else have any experience with that stuff?
I thought maybe it just doesn't come with a clear coat. But I can clearly see it on this frame, and my brother got an X, and he has a clearcoat. Although he seems to have had a few mishaps with his bike from the factory.
Anyone else have any experience? Are we just incredibly unlucky? This mountain bike looks amazing, and looks like it honestly could be my next mountain bike, but I'm just worried to get it because of the issues my brother and I have both had with our X
Thats cool and all but can it be turned into a Gravel bike?
How far along, are U still βeta Testing the design? or has the casting mold for the frame been finalized?
No sliding rear drop??
Can you run non plus 27.5 tires ??
If U put sliding rear dropouts on the production one, those 29ers will go in No Prob.
ok, so if it's not gonna be in the 500-700 range then i hope it's available as a frame.
I have a 63° head angle bike and I dont even want to ride it. Feels floppy, doesnt want to charge, and the fox 36 fork doesnt function smoothly due to the slack angle. Yuck. 67° is the sweet spot IMO.
what kind of trails do you ride? i have a 63 degree ht angle hardtail and it rides just fine when its pointed downhill. if its on a oldschool XC trail yeah its cumbersome but ive never fel likethe fork doesnt wor right. 65 degrees for this bike will be fine.
They should make this bike the only one allowed in high school racing in the US
Still say it needs spindatt branding on it when it goes to market, don’t disappoint me or I will put one of your stickers on a bike you don’t like
Norton head badge would be cool
another vote against the external routing
Depending on price I'd rather have hydro brakes over a dropper
Hi.
A $500ish bike with thru axle dropouts and boost spacing? Seriously man, I was looking at hardtail that cost 3x-4x as much and I can just buy this instead.
4:58 oh they went the trek/merida style internal hole. Bugger that frame is a pass for me. My marlin BB is too flexy, I'm not a fan of this "not welding 30% of the downtube" trend that saves them 10 minutes while assembling
The flex is because it's a Marlin, not because of how it's welded.
@@Palmer900T they don't weld the entire tube junction, look at the timestamp. Its the current manufacturing shortcut.
@@janeblogs324 I am aware. That said, my previous statement regarding the flex of the Marlin stands
Norton is more of a floof tail than a hardtail
yey im early
You need more time in the beginning with the message, and how dare you not yell FRIENDS!!!!!!
not a friend of the outside cable routing
I am!
I hate cutting my rear brake hose and re oliving it every time I need to remove it