What it's Like to Play Modern in 2024

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Komentáře • 167

  • @RhysticStudies
    @RhysticStudies Před 6 měsíci +173

    happy to be stuck in 2019 with ya pal

    • @8thPlaceDave
      @8thPlaceDave  Před 6 měsíci +14

      Oh hello there nice to see you ;) Well being in 2019 is nice if I have my friends Lili and Goyf, at least.

    • @monopoman
      @monopoman Před 6 měsíci

      Those were the days my friend, I brought Jund to every major Modern tournament from like 2013ish onward until the deck became unfeasible.@@8thPlaceDave

    • @yoav.kats6328
      @yoav.kats6328 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I hope you guys wear masks, the cough in the end sounded like corona.

    • @daniellawson9894
      @daniellawson9894 Před 5 měsíci +1

      How'd you jump to 2019??? I'm still stuck in 2015 modern/legacy...

  • @LoboGuarah
    @LoboGuarah Před 6 měsíci +245

    The force of negation is such a mood. "This dude is having way too much fun for someone playing in the last table like me on the last round of this tourny..."

  • @MTGUnpacked
    @MTGUnpacked Před 6 měsíci +222

    Appreciated seeing Tarmogoyf in the graveyard. How the mighty have fallen😢

    • @Reluxthelegend
      @Reluxthelegend Před 6 měsíci +2

      I wonder if the surveil land will help tarmagoyf at least a little bit.

    • @DFGdanger
      @DFGdanger Před 6 měsíci +4

      This was no accident. That 'goyf was Pushed!

    •  Před 6 měsíci

      @@Reluxthelegend surveil lands will only be run as a 1 off

    • @Reluxthelegend
      @Reluxthelegend Před 6 měsíci +2

      one off is more than enough when you have fetches, just means that putting stuff into the graveyard is even easier. now a fetch could mean 2 card types in the graveyard instead of just one when you want.

    • @SANT14GO
      @SANT14GO Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@Reluxthelegend of course it will help goyf, now you can send it straight to the GY instead of drawing it, leaving your opponent's removal spells stuck in their hand!

  • @SuspishFish
    @SuspishFish Před 6 měsíci +74

    I remember back in the day, when I was first learning Magic, playing a 2/2 Monk for 3-mana that gained me 2 life. That was pretty cool.

    • @Vengeance117
      @Vengeance117 Před 6 měsíci +2

      Imagine if you played Green back in the day

    • @mseaton8620
      @mseaton8620 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Pepperidge farm remembers

    • @ondrejbronec837
      @ondrejbronec837 Před 6 měsíci +3

      I remember playing Vampire Nighthawks in mono black tribal back in my day. Meanwhile the opponents were playing Caw-Blade. Don't really think there is something like the good old days. MTG always feels like the same great game to me.

    • @valamorthings
      @valamorthings Před 5 měsíci

      Elvish Piper!

  • @JV-jz6sj
    @JV-jz6sj Před 6 měsíci +51

    "Stuck in 2019" is a funny statement. As if it's some sort of forgotten vintage magic era, whilst it's actually 5 years of extreme power creep.

    • @newname4941
      @newname4941 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Especially funny considering that 2019 was the year of THE Gak and Oko.
      2019 Had more Power creep than 2020,21,22 or 23 IMO

    • @buttery88
      @buttery88 Před 5 měsíci +2

      Overall, magic cards in general, total power creep. Gak and Oko was the start of it. It's normal now, that cards/Planeswalkers are just a total wall of text with busted combos left and right, it's ridiculous. Things that were busted mythics are just normal cards now, it's kind of nuts dude. Been playing for over 12 years and I would totally agree with 2018-2019 things started to get reeeeeeeeeal power creepy dude...

  • @theEevee098
    @theEevee098 Před 6 měsíci +191

    Ah, yes, the classic "pitch the best black creature to have a good black creature turn 1" wombo combo

    • @matthewblackwood9653
      @matthewblackwood9653 Před 6 měsíci +6

      But now it's in my grave so I can recur it to the battlefield for cheap! I'm playing black man, think! Now I can have that card for only 3 mana instead of 4 (assuming I drew a recursor in the opening hand).
      Joke, but if they genuinely drew that the play would make sense.

    • @seifeir6951
      @seifeir6951 Před 6 měsíci +12

      @@matthewblackwood9653 of only grief discarded instead of exile

    • @filipealves6295
      @filipealves6295 Před 6 měsíci +4

      @@matthewblackwood9653 It's not in the graveyard

    • @matthewblackwood9653
      @matthewblackwood9653 Před 6 měsíci

      @@filipealves6295 RIP

    • @schumerus6786
      @schumerus6786 Před 6 měsíci +7

      Why settle for amazing card on turn 4 when you can have great card on turn 1?

  • @CodyRedux
    @CodyRedux Před 6 měsíci +79

    Can you imagine the value?

  • @TransformersBoss
    @TransformersBoss Před 6 měsíci +28

    I would say this makes me furious, but that’s banned

  • @varsoonhks3211
    @varsoonhks3211 Před 6 měsíci +18

    The real reason Dave wanted to crack that Sheoldred :

  • @ClubbingSealCub
    @ClubbingSealCub Před 6 měsíci +23

    meanwhile I'm over here doing t3 oblivion stone + the one ring
    ARE YOU HAVING FUN YET

    • @tttyyy949
      @tttyyy949 Před 5 měsíci +2

      T3... Oblivion.... Ring

  • @prn_Melatonin
    @prn_Melatonin Před 6 měsíci +16

    I've been playing the same mono red burn list since RETURN TO RAVNICA.

  • @TenTailedSasuke
    @TenTailedSasuke Před 6 měsíci +7

    Then there's me, just chilling, waiting until death shadow is top tier again so I can be a menace.

    • @asdfghjkl2261
      @asdfghjkl2261 Před 2 měsíci

      they should unban lurrus imo, big mana decks are stupid as hell right now and shadow was great back with the cat

  • @paperskate654
    @paperskate654 Před 5 měsíci +3

    Hey now, that bloodbraid elf was a sick 3 for 1! Now you'll be equal in cards with them for a brief moment before they untap with their one ring and draw 3 more cards!

  • @ambarabasti8872
    @ambarabasti8872 Před 6 měsíci +5

    My deck in 2019
    Titan getting khalni garden for evading Liliana edict.
    My deck in 2024
    T1 Urza saga...

  • @simonchi5372
    @simonchi5372 Před 6 měsíci +50

    Fire design's meaning was always to burn every format to the ground.

    • @mad_max21
      @mad_max21 Před 6 měsíci +8

      Right. Play Burn in modern. Got it.

    • @simonchi5372
      @simonchi5372 Před 6 měsíci +5

      @@mad_max21 0 mana cost lightning bolt in MH3, genius idea!

    • @vulcanh254
      @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +7

      FIRE design (and project booster fun) always made me laugh because it's like a child came up with it. "For cards to be fun to use they need to be mega powerful and be instant win buttons! (Because winning is fun) So we are making sure that new cards are overly pushed for constructed and warp every format".

    • @alextfish
      @alextfish Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@vulcanh254 That sounds like FIRE in a nutshell, yep. (Project Booster Fun is just about dozens of different art treatments, though, I thought? Pretty cards for those who want them, as long as nobody wants to collect *all* of them.)

    • @vulcanh254
      @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@alextfish Well that's a whole other discussion but to me project booster fun just proved they have no idea what they're doing with collector boxes. 😅 MaRo had this funny theory that including all sorts of weird variants somehow makes packs more fun to open. In reality though you're not hyped because you opened an ugly variant, you're hyped because you opened a 40$ mythic lol. So what MaRo and WotC don't seem to get is that all these "collector variants" are meaningless if there's no actual scarcity. It's not the frame or border that people like, it's the "wow I got this rare treatment". If anime confetti waifus were 25 cents, people would stop caring because they wouldn't be special or hard to get anymore. I wouldn't buy packs to hunt for them, I would buy 20 copies online. So again the scarcity matters more than the frame, art or treatment.
      20 years ago there was zero variants but it was still very exciting to crack packs. Partly because foils were cooler / rarer (and better quality) and some commons and uncommons could be worth a lot. Today you open a foil mythic and you don't care because it's 50 cents. I miss when opening a foil mythic was a big deal lol.

  • @hotcoldman9793
    @hotcoldman9793 Před 6 měsíci +13

    I can't imagine the value 😢

  • @TheCrankyDank
    @TheCrankyDank Před 6 měsíci +5

    You forgot the fat stacks of cash required to even get those decks.

  • @hllyenaylleth9576
    @hllyenaylleth9576 Před 5 měsíci

    These short skits are great!

  • @Medbread
    @Medbread Před 6 měsíci +17

    Meanwhile modern yugioh
    "Damn, it's turn 1 and I only have 2 cards. Oh well,
    Normal Summon Ogier, send Gearfried to the grave
    Activate Museum, pay 1200 LP add Durandal to hand
    Activate Durandal, effect destroy itself to search Renaud
    Special Summon Renaud as a tuner, add Gearfried
    Synchro into Angelica, add second Museum from deck
    Ogier effect from grave to equip to Angelica
    Museum effect to special summon Ogier from Spell/Trap Zone
    Activate second Museum, pay 1200 to add Almace from Deck
    equip Almace to Ogier
    banish Durandal to Special Summon Gearfried
    Almace effect equip Joyeuse to Gearfried
    Link Ogier and Angelica into Isolde, effect to add Renaud
    Isolde second effect send Divine Sword, summon Ricardetto from Deck
    Ricardetto effect, Special Summon Ogier from Grave
    Synch Ricardetto and Ogier into a second Angelica
    Banish first Angelica and Renaud from Grave to add Divine Sword to hand
    Equip Divine Sword to Angelica
    Angelica effect, send Turpin and banish herself to Special Summon Captain Roland
    Turpin effect from Grave to Special Summon itself
    Synchro Turpin and Roland into Charles
    Captain Roland effect equip to Charles from grave
    Link off Charles to Charles the Great
    Charles the Great effect to equip Charles to it from Grave
    Museum second effect to Special Charles from Spell/Trap zone
    Divine sword effect from grave to banish Ogier and Ricardetto to add to hand
    equip Divine Sword to Charles
    Link off Charles into a second Charles the Great
    move to End Phase, Angelica comes back
    First Charles the Great effect to equip Oliver from Deck and Almace from Grave"

  • @Antimonium
    @Antimonium Před 6 měsíci +13

    Is horizonless modern a thing yet?

    • @jaeger2780
      @jaeger2780 Před 6 měsíci +3

      Try pioneer

    • @Antimonium
      @Antimonium Před 6 měsíci +10

      @@jaeger2780 but it came out after I started playing so I'm contractually obligated to hate it :(

  • @BoldAndSpicy
    @BoldAndSpicy Před 6 měsíci +10

    Looks like Yugioh level shenanigans

  • @Sitharos
    @Sitharos Před 6 měsíci +16

    Yeah, sadly we are very close to being Yugioh where by turn two the game is pretty much over.

    • @createrz8433
      @createrz8433 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Tear 2: magic edition
      If it does end up being just like it I'll be happy. Loved the format. But if it becomes pend ftk then I will eat my words.

    • @Triceratopping
      @Triceratopping Před 6 měsíci +7

      I remember hearing a joke about the Vintage format: the coin flip who decide goes first is the early game, drawing your hand is the mid-game, and turn 1 precombat main phase is late game

    • @DeadlyGrim
      @DeadlyGrim Před 6 měsíci +7

      @@Triceratopping The original joke was, I believe, in reference to Pro-Tour Rome in 1998. (Specifically, as Mark Rosewater phrased it, "The early game was the coin flip. The mid game was the mulligan. And the end game was the first turn.") In that tournament, Brian Hacker famously won on the 2nd turn after only playing Gustha's Scepter -- and nothing else, lands included -- on the 1st turn.
      Pro-Tour Rome was the Extended format, which was the last four blocks, as opposed to Standard, which was the last two blocks. Ironically enough, the Extended format was replaced by Wizards with ... the Modern format. So, really, we're sorta comin' full circle :/

    • @Triceratopping
      @Triceratopping Před 6 měsíci +1

      @@DeadlyGrim superstar, that's the one!

    • @alexbrangan2885
      @alexbrangan2885 Před 6 měsíci

      Arguably, that turn 2 threshold has been there ever since Stoneforge Mystic got unbanned. But the power and speed creep have only accelerated since.

  • @MexiPerplexi
    @MexiPerplexi Před 5 měsíci +1

    It makes me unreasonably happy to see the Hapatra Yawgmoth combo.

  • @CptManboobs
    @CptManboobs Před 6 měsíci +15

    I like how the only deck left in modern that isn't doing something degenerate is Burn.

    • @8thPlaceDave
      @8thPlaceDave  Před 6 měsíci +3

      Yeah haha

    • @zirilan3398
      @zirilan3398 Před 6 měsíci +2

      And Goblins

    • @alexbrangan2885
      @alexbrangan2885 Před 6 měsíci +6

      If a cockroach from Modern's past had to survive the Horizons apocalypse, I'm glad it was a fair deck.

  • @AidanWR
    @AidanWR Před 6 měsíci +1

    I felt that outtake on a personal level

  • @devinanni8117
    @devinanni8117 Před 6 měsíci +68

    Straight to modern sets ruined modern.

    • @ImperialVersian
      @ImperialVersian Před 6 měsíci +22

      Every time Wizards creates a product that is tailored to a particular format, it ruins the format. As a commander player, the "Year of Commander" was absolutely terrible.

    • @byronstier7438
      @byronstier7438 Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@ImperialVersian Commander doesn't feel ruined at all

    • @SergioGarsiaSolano
      @SergioGarsiaSolano Před 6 měsíci +11

      @@ImperialVersian commander players would bitch about everything and anything, if anything is ruining commander are them

    • @reviewchan9806
      @reviewchan9806 Před 6 měsíci +16

      ​@@byronstier7438trust me, as a long time player it's very much ruined and the novelty died a while ago. Look at the ugly sweater problem of Commander, it used to be a really cool thing where we basically made our own decks out of scrap that would never see the light of day in play time, but now there's just a bunch of highly tailored cards that rip the creativity out of deck building

    • @byronstier7438
      @byronstier7438 Před 6 měsíci

      @@reviewchan9806 I only build cedh decks so whatever you are parceiving isn't really a problem for me

  • @dsagent
    @dsagent Před 6 měsíci +5

    Still not as bad as Yu Gi Oh but still I miss the old days when people played 1-3 cards a turn.

  • @dev559
    @dev559 Před 6 měsíci

    If that was you on Tuesday I loved your deckbox. I can imagine the value.

    • @8thPlaceDave
      @8thPlaceDave  Před 6 měsíci +1

      Since every day is Tuesday, yes it was, but also yes it was

  • @ArthurVeenema
    @ArthurVeenema Před 6 měsíci +16

    It's one thing for the game to change, but is it actually fun anymore??

    • @branimirstoilov8640
      @branimirstoilov8640 Před 6 měsíci +4

      Too many games change vertically, instead of horizontally these days...

    • @tunczyk110
      @tunczyk110 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I've been playing modern since 2014 and fuck yeah it is. other than $$$, MH was fantastic for the format

    • @ilsignoredellaluce2234
      @ilsignoredellaluce2234 Před 6 měsíci +1

      I mean, modern is not the entire game of magic. There are a lot of slower formats, but honestly the fast ones can be fun too

    • @RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus
      @RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus Před 6 měsíci +1

      Been playing since the 90s and yeah the game can be fun still. Everything has this issue of folk abusing good will these days, like folk playing casual games against folk with their best decks, these people have worse decks and could use them but nah they’d rather play like ante is still a thing.

  • @7upac
    @7upac Před 2 měsíci

    Stuck in 2019…. I feel you bro

  • @ronin5402
    @ronin5402 Před 6 měsíci +1

    i love playing commander

  • @Fay-9q
    @Fay-9q Před 2 měsíci

    I saw a manga about this card game and im pretty interested but as soon as i saw how it actually look like in real life it's confusing 😂
    Because in manga they will show you illustration like how many life point left or how the monster look like or even how the effect looks like
    I kinda like the turbo genius meta in the manga even tho i heard it's not allowed anymore 😔
    Btw the manga timeline is in 1998 and on chapter 3 i think it's still on the release of exodus pack

  • @gabrielr1564
    @gabrielr1564 Před 5 měsíci

    thats the moment you build a JUND CASCADE EDH DECK and go back to having fun :)

  • @zenmaster8826
    @zenmaster8826 Před 4 měsíci

    2019 was the year fires design started?

  • @Blu_Moon_Owl
    @Blu_Moon_Owl Před 6 měsíci +3

    Never played modern but I guess people who do want to get as much value out of their deck whether it’s fast or through a combo.
    Kinda like commander but not as fast

  • @singularitytr1550
    @singularitytr1550 Před 5 měsíci

    At turn 3 I can grow my forces exponentially, and turn 5 all those forces now have 20 power each at least.

  • @TH-dg2mm
    @TH-dg2mm Před 5 měsíci

    I'm old enough to remember people looking at Serra Angel and being like "oh a 4/4 flyer with vigilance for 5 mana, what great value!"

  • @samgino2020
    @samgino2020 Před 5 měsíci

    I play mono black zombies, no sideboard. I play for fun :)

  • @jjjj8644
    @jjjj8644 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Genuine question: Why are two 4/4 rhinos during turn 3 a big deal in Modern? Isn't the format way strong for 2 creatures with no abilities?

    • @8thPlaceDave
      @8thPlaceDave  Před 6 měsíci +4

      They do have trample, but you also have the 2/2 Shardless Agent. So on turn 3 you're getting 10 power and toughness over 3 creatures guaranteed, and then next turn you'll just do it again.

    • @vulcanh254
      @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +2

      10 power on turn 3 is pretty fast for modern. It's not the fastest but like, if you stumble a bit the game is pretty much over. Even if you have a sweeper or a removal for one Rhino they might have Force of Negation up. Then half of your life is gone and you are dead next turn.
      It's not that easy to put up decently sized creatures that early on without ramping. Sure a goyf could eat one rhino but then you still take 6 damage. And if they bounce, tap or kill goyf next turn then you take another 6. If you fetch + shock you're already at 5 life.

    • @ilsignoredellaluce2234
      @ilsignoredellaluce2234 Před 6 měsíci +4

      It's not just about the abilities, that is quite a lot of damage and since you don't need mana for the counterspell you can maybe even protect the rhinos. Huge attackers with trample in early game can be as lethal as any combo if you can't block them, see affinity in formats where it's still a tier 1 archetype

  • @yosefzanerva806
    @yosefzanerva806 Před 6 měsíci +1

    At least we won't have to deal qith Grief anymore!

  • @natben6099
    @natben6099 Před 6 měsíci +4

    this is exactly why i believe that modern horizons shouldn't exist

  • @jaeger2780
    @jaeger2780 Před 6 měsíci +8

    COME TO PIONEER YALL
    THE MANABASE DOESNT COST A KIDNEY AND YOU ACTUALLY USE IT TO CAST YOUR SPELLS!

    • @vulcanh254
      @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Hilariously enough I think pioneer is faster than modern because there's a lot of combo decks. In modern there's so much 0-1 mana interaction that combo and aggro decks struggle. And that means games can last longer.
      You can get to turn 9 in modern but in pioneer you'll die to Lotus Field combo on turn 4 if you just durdle around. So as much as I like pioneer you can't really spend too much time setting up or doing fun things. You have to race the combo decks.

  • @thisissostupidqsdfva
    @thisissostupidqsdfva Před 6 měsíci +10

    Cascade is fun

  • @zalmute423
    @zalmute423 Před 6 měsíci +6

    Soon magic the gathering will be almost indistinguishable from yugioh when it comes to game speed.

  • @r1nsync
    @r1nsync Před 6 měsíci +3

    Yea, it’s called “modern has been actually dogshit for years”
    It’s basically MH block constructed. Can’t wait for that 3rd MH where they throw shit like wasteland in! Maybe brain storm and a ragavan that lets you steal a card from your opponents sideboard and eat it! The possibilities are limitless!

  • @definitelynotthequestion5359
    @definitelynotthequestion5359 Před 6 měsíci +4

    Vintage=Turn 1 wins, total clownage
    Legacy=Games end by turn 3, lame
    Modern=Games end by turn 4, joke
    Standart=Too temporary, have to buy cards that will lose all value
    Commander=Used to be fun, now its lame as well
    Only remaining fun format is pauper and pauper commander (i have a pauper deck that can actually kill turn 2, but pst).
    Power creep killed all the fun i had 17 years ago, when i started playing.

    • @User_N8
      @User_N8 Před 5 měsíci

      what about pioneer?

  • @ArlosteRampge
    @ArlosteRampge Před 5 měsíci +1

    Magic is slowly turning into Yugioh.

  • @noitsjustcody
    @noitsjustcody Před 5 měsíci

    I would try modern again if we had a horizon-less modern format. I felt the format was incredibly fun before the direct injects. Now I haven't touched it in years.

  • @lisaparker271
    @lisaparker271 Před 5 měsíci

    Good ol boomer jund. But seriously, modern has so much interaction that yawgmoth is like a tier 2 combo deck lol. Grief doesnt matter as you can come back from it and rhinos can be removed quickly in the first couple of turns lol.

  • @abidmabdelaziz
    @abidmabdelaziz Před 6 měsíci +1

    Bring back 2019!

  • @vulcanh254
    @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +11

    The worst part is they had a Play Design team of pros testing MH2 and none of them saw a problem with Fury or Grief. 😂 Even though they knew about the scam strategy they thought it was fine and balanced for modern.
    Personally I think Solitude is the only one of the cycle that is "necessary" to keep degenerate creature combos in check. All the other elementals are bad for the game.

    • @KeeperOTG
      @KeeperOTG Před 6 měsíci +3

      They want to sell packs, so they made the cards must-buys.
      Modern Horizons 2 was such an egregious overreach and the fact that modern didnt die when it was released is a testament to how badly Hasbro has the playerbase by the nuts.
      Money money money money

    • @ecpracticesquad4674
      @ecpracticesquad4674 Před 6 měsíci

      The only elemental that is truly bad is Grief. Subtlety is widely regarded as the worst of the cycle. Endurance is basically just a good sideboard option. Solitude and Fury are great as removal. So glad that Fury was banned for all those bad, non-existent x/1 based decks to still be bad and non-existent, but whatever.

    • @ondrejbronec837
      @ondrejbronec837 Před 6 měsíci +3

      But that is the thing right? How the hell are they supposed to know? Of course Wizards are just printing cards to squeeze money, but even if they didn't what they are supposed to do?
      Some players like creature combos, others play control, most want their pet decks to be tier 1, but not by a lot or everyone would be playing them making it no longer a pet deck. We want better mana, but no too much or everyone will be on five colors. Also please make the cards interesting or the set is boring, but not too interesting or it is power creep. Meanwhile you need to also think about EDH, Legacy, the Burn Players and oh no this Sensai's Divining Top card is making tournaments run forever - we just need to ban it and...
      Honestly if I also had to keep track of all this that would be enough, but WoTC executives pushing for Profit and more and more product I am not sure how would anyone be able to maintain even this level of game balance. We should be happy with so people working on MTG. I am myself very much afraid what will come out of Wizards in 2024 given the layoffs and budget cuts they are forcing upon them.

    • @vulcanh254
      @vulcanh254 Před 6 měsíci +1

      @ondrejbronec837 I mean they're pros and they tested the cards. It was their job to tell wotc: "this seems a little too strong, maybe make it cost more mana or make it a 2/1 instead of 3/2 menace." Or "they should require pitching 2 cards, not 1."

  • @7Alberto7
    @7Alberto7 Před 6 měsíci

    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂this is so wrong,also so many dubitable choice😂😂😂😂😂so awesome i love these video

  • @Koalogy
    @Koalogy Před 6 měsíci +1

    FREE SPLINTER TWIN!

  • @8bitbonsai
    @8bitbonsai Před 6 měsíci +1

    didnt he had to counter before cascade triggers?

    • @lord_wyran
      @lord_wyran Před 6 měsíci +7

      no because you also cast the card you cascade into

    • @vaffanculoutube
      @vaffanculoutube Před 6 měsíci

      before the cascade there is no noncreature spell to counter with force of negation

    • @8bitbonsai
      @8bitbonsai Před 6 měsíci

      @@vaffanculoutube yep my bad.

  • @zeichen95
    @zeichen95 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Quit the format when Modern Horizons was released. Sad to see powerhouse decks in the past diminished by these special sets' card strategies.

  • @QuietlyHere666
    @QuietlyHere666 Před 6 měsíci +3

    Or me; turn 1, swamp, scheming symmetry, archive trap, surgical extraction, you cant do your combo anymore

  • @GrimmGrinner
    @GrimmGrinner Před 5 měsíci +1

    Still easier to follow than modern Yu-Gi-Oh

  • @imstupid880
    @imstupid880 Před 5 měsíci

    *pain*

  • @StrongButAwkward
    @StrongButAwkward Před 6 měsíci +1

    TBF the reason why the Grief example is unjustifiably unfair is that it can happen on T1 for cost of 2 cards and 1 mana to take 2 of your opponent's cards and leave you with a 3/2 menace attacker from T2 on. It's card trade neutral unless your opponent has a way to interact with you, which has to be 1 or 0 mana depending on if they were on the play or draw; most of the ways you could interact with it only soften the blow rather than stop all of it, and usually end up costing more cards to preserve specific cards you wouldn't want to lose.
    The synergy is really strong in general, but the reason it's over the line vs most other examples in Modern is because it happens too early to often, which is what makes it so hard to interact with at all and still pretty punishing to the targeted player even if they can do so. It's the reason Flash was too good in Legacy and retractable in Vintage: it just happens too early for too cheap to be fair to expect opponents to be in an "answer this, probably through additional interaction, or lose". When game winning synergies or combos occur, how much they cost and how much it costs to interact with or stop them matters a great deal in determining if they're to unfair to allow in the game.
    Meanwhile RUG Footfalls and Yawgmoth are strong, but cost more to pull off and/or require board presence that can be interacted with and happen a few turns later when it's effectively the mid game for Modern and it's very reasonable to expect people to be able to interact with threats.
    The joke at the end is that Bloodbraid, which was at one point too good because of the free value it generated in terms of threats that had to get answered, is irrelevant because even if it cascades into Liliana because it will fold to a Force of Negation.....but it's the exact same synergy as RUG Footfalls and the same Force of Negation leads to the same result of the free cascade spell that would have put the cascade player in a position to win getting binned at the cost of the opponent's spell and 3 mana, or the opponent 2-for-1-ing themselves to stop a must be stopped spell. So, like, the main difference is just it's off a 3 cmc 2/2 cascading creature rather than a 4 cmc 3/2 haste. /shrug

  • @BR1Dourado
    @BR1Dourado Před 5 měsíci

    HAAHAHAHAHAH you're missing the Primevil Titan on t2

  • @fawkes6352
    @fawkes6352 Před 5 měsíci

    Remembering when I built a Boros Humans homebrew deck in 2019, and it was able to hold its own against all the other decks people used at the LGS (except for Jund, and that was mostly by virtue of it being a midrange deck against my aggro deck), and I was so proud of making something that I could call my own.
    Then after Covid hit in 2020, and then Covid vaccines became widespread enough that I could comfortably return to the LGS in 2021, I learned the hard way that my deck got power-crept into oblivion by MH2. It wasn't fun anymore.

  • @thedude5able
    @thedude5able Před 6 měsíci +7

    And this is why you play Pioneer instead

  • @Lego4KilIer
    @Lego4KilIer Před 6 měsíci +4

    No problem, they banned fury so they can't scam grief anymore 🎉 - salty murktide player

    • @ecpracticesquad4674
      @ecpracticesquad4674 Před 6 měsíci

      Because we all know people who were having their board of 8 x/1s getting Fury scammed on the regular. That was the real problem with modern. 😂

  • @SirFingleton
    @SirFingleton Před 6 měsíci

    what's the point of the yawgmoth combo. wouldn't he just end up at 1 life and a bunch of 1/1 snakes?

    • @8thPlaceDave
      @8thPlaceDave  Před 6 měsíci +10

      You can just stop whenever you want, so you wipe your opponents board, have a full hand of cards, and a battlefield full of snakes. At that point it's usually pretty hard to lose :P

    • @MasterDecoy1W
      @MasterDecoy1W Před 6 měsíci +1

      You can dig to a payoff like Blood Artist or Zulaport Cutthroat and now you're life total neutral while they are dying.

    • @SirFingleton
      @SirFingleton Před 6 měsíci

      oh. that's really neat. can i somehow makle this kind of commbo with rakdos, orzov, or just black?

    • @MasterDecoy1W
      @MasterDecoy1W Před 6 měsíci +2

      @@SirFingleton you can do it in mono-black, but it isn't competitive. Green gives you cheap persist creatures, creature tutors, ramp, and Hapatra as the snake backup plan. If you want to infinitely sacrifice in white/black, Teysa 1.0 + painters servant might be better. Red doesn't add anything that black didn't already have.

    • @ilsignoredellaluce2234
      @ilsignoredellaluce2234 Před 6 měsíci +1

      You can also go infinite with 2 young wolves for example, if you put the -1/-1 counter on the wolf to nullify the +1/+1. Then you win with Blood artist or zulaport cutthroat

  • @jackding5963
    @jackding5963 Před 6 měsíci

    I actually feel OK with all of this, you should've included the real villain: Orcish Bowmasters.

  • @WarrenPostma
    @WarrenPostma Před 5 měsíci

    If turn one gets any more powerful, let's just switch to playing MTG single player. After all you're gonna win in turn one. The winning move is to go play YuGiOh.

  • @1wakuralain
    @1wakuralain Před 6 měsíci +1

    I play Enchantress and cast Emrakul every game. I do not have this problem in life.

  • @jaygur3269
    @jaygur3269 Před 6 měsíci +1

    *COUGH COUGH*

  • @ecpracticesquad4674
    @ecpracticesquad4674 Před 6 měsíci

    Technically FoN would hit the rhinos in your example. The better example would have been using violent outburst to EOT them over Shardless

  • @Huntzargis
    @Huntzargis Před 5 měsíci

    1+1+1=7

  • @destructimus
    @destructimus Před 6 měsíci +2

    Lol fuck it, bring a burn deck.

  • @NA-pb5rr
    @NA-pb5rr Před 6 měsíci +1

    Horizons was the beginning of the end for modern

  • @NateBullock-ow6on
    @NateBullock-ow6on Před 6 měsíci

    Modern is rough but its not that hard to play

  • @ragnar40kblackmain
    @ragnar40kblackmain Před 5 měsíci

    Ppl still play modern?????

  • @atinygoose6199
    @atinygoose6199 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks, I hate it.

  • @pandoranbias1622
    @pandoranbias1622 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Yugioh is this but worse and there is only one format.

  • @bruhmoment3106
    @bruhmoment3106 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Damn, been out of modern since 2019 and I though Jace the mind sculptor and snap caster mage were still relevant. Yeah those elemental evoke cycles really turned magic into yu gi oh solitaire

  • @amphetamean66X
    @amphetamean66X Před 6 měsíci

    To be fair Scam is not that consistent anymore after the Fury ban. Sometimes you sitll do have plays like that though. Remember though after that Scam play they are now down 3 cards and you are only down 2. If you draw a kill spell or a blocker they are not that far ahead.

    • @jaeger2780
      @jaeger2780 Před 6 měsíci +6

      They aren't down 3. One is a body in the bf

    • @bluerendar2194
      @bluerendar2194 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@jaeger2780 yeah, I'd *love* to get a 1-mana 4/3 menace that pings opp for 1 on ltb, that's probably worth over 1 card in value.

    • @thekilla1234
      @thekilla1234 Před 6 měsíci +4

      It's also not a fair exchange of cards. The card they pitch to Grief will be the worst card in their hand, but the 2 cards they take will be the 2 best cards in your hand. This makes the difference in hand strength and board presence quite large after the exchange.
      Grief also has Menace so 1 blocker is not enough, and a kill spell can easily be met with another scam spell making your situation even worse. If you get scammed they are very far ahead. It's still winnable but saying "they are not that far ahead" is just wrong.

    • @amphetamean66X
      @amphetamean66X Před 6 měsíci

      That's fair. I played WB Scam for a while and realized Scamming Grief alone often wasn't enough to win. He can easily be bolted. Afterwards. @@thekilla1234

    • @ecpracticesquad4674
      @ecpracticesquad4674 Před 6 měsíci +1

      You also need TWO blockers for Grief because of menace. And you’re assuming there’s no further follow up threat or disruption. Often, the scamming Grief will take your two most relevant cards, put a real click on the game, and open the doors to you getting blitz without playing a real game. Scamming a Grief is card neutral to borderline card advantage.

  • @recusantvessel
    @recusantvessel Před 5 měsíci +1

    What an interesting coincidence…
    All the extremely format breaking broken nonsense cards are Modern Horizons :ooooo
    God awful sets.