Eric Bischoff shoots on Vince Russo's WCW
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- Eric Bischoff shoots on Vince Russo's time in WCW.
Since 1984 every wrestling promoter has tried to best Vince McMahon and the World Wrestling Federation unsuccessfully… except one, Eric Bischoff. Eric beat Vince McMahon’s Monday Night RAW head-to-head in Monday Night Wars 83 consecutive times. 83 Weeks will take a deep dive into the highs and lows of Eric Bischoff’s unparalleled successes in the wrestling business.
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“Dean Malenko was trying to have a match with Hacksaw Jim Duggan” is going to be my new go-to explanation for any time something goes wrong.
In a 40 pound janitor suit.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You know when Bischoff, Cornette, and Prichard all agree, there’s something to it
They are jealous
They are jealous because Vince McMahon and wcw chose him over them
@@maxgriffin3950 😄😄
@@quickcar5255 Vince needs to choose him over Prichard again. RAWs record low number says that
@@quickcar5255 Lol, could you imagine still believing Russo after 20 years of evidence that he is terrible at booking wrestling and generally a fucking idiot?
Do you also believe the Earth is flat?
That picture is fucking terrifying
18:50 I drove a car while listening to Russo and hit 3 people =(
It's disturbing.
Thats what it looks like appx 1-2hrs after conrad misses a meal.
@@sinicalypse More like his old lady telling him he's going to eat a salad for lunch instead of his usual Triple Whopper with bacon and cheese.
"They won't even let me make fun of Bells Palsy? Why did I even get into wrestling, bro?"
@2005 Cool Year that's implying they aired it on TV, which they did not. They all (Vince and Ed included) made fun of him behind his back, which is still a fucking shitty thing for people claiming to be his friend to do. But to put it on TV for the entire world to see? That's fucked
@@awzthemusicalreviews the WWF actually DID aire Ed mocking JR’s Bell’s Palsey. It was on a now defuncted show called “WWF Heat” (I think that was the name of the show). Another thing: Vince McMahon allowed a lot of stuff on air that, because of Turner Broadcast executives, wouldn’t have been shown on any WCW shows. (i.e. bra & panties matches)
@2005 Cool Year WWF never aired anything of the sort on TV. Making jokes backstage does not = airing it on TV.
@@chriskay1449 uh, explain THIS then:
👉🏾 czcams.com/video/BXeiQ6oeg2g/video.html
@@creoleDJ You completely miss the fundamental difference. Notice that Dr. Death and JR came out to beat the crap out of that guy. Guess what never happened with Oklahoma in WCW? There is a BIG difference between a heel mocking an opponent and getting their ass kicked by that opponent in response vs a character strictly done to make fun of someone and nothing else.
standards and practices: "Doesn't work for me, brother"
I liked miss Hancock from Standards and Practices.
Lmaoooo
Eric watching Cornette stomping on Russo
Eric joins Cornette stomping on Russo
Bruce doesn't recall stomping on russo
I’d pay for that
"He's like the Andrew Cuomo of Professional Wrestling." Now that's a savage burn by Eric there.
Especially now lol
Hahahahaha
Who???
@@abcsin6526 former governor of New York who resigned back in August due to s**ual harassment allegations
@@AndersonTenecela oh okk.thank u
Must be hard for Russo. Being so far in denial, and so delusional to think that he was this godsend to a profession he wasn't qualified for in the first place.
Between WWE, WCW, and TNA, Russo worked in creative for 16 years. You don't do that unless you're good at it. While Russo wasn't perfect, his philosophy is what modern wrestling is missing. If people like Bischoff and Cornette could take what they know about wrestling and implement what Russo knows about entertainment the product would be so much better.
It's amazing how much of what Eric Bischoff is saying sounds like so many of Cornette's biggest criticisms of Russo.
I think this is probably the one subject that Cornette and Eric Bischoff are in total agreement with.
The table for three show covered some of that. And yeah
That's a scary fuckin' thought
@2005 Cool Year it's a trend that Bischoff and Cornette agree on shit?
It really isn't
What trend are we supposed to be riding?
@2005 Cool Year
Read my comment slowly
Cornette and Bischoff agreeing on anything never happens
People have been hating Russo since the 90's
It isn't anyone riding a trend
He's a Wanker
@2005 Cool Year
No I've hated Russo ever since "Sammy" put Mark Henry's career on life support
Then there was killing Mike Awesome's career, as a fan of Awesomes ECW days that one irritated me
Arquette winning the WHC was just the highlight, a lot of people hated Russo for that one before it was cool
I was watching the Monday night wars, and the ecw in the 90's
I don't care about trends, now hand your phone back to your mother, you bloody child
I think Eric now has my favorite take of anyone on Vince Russo, that was hilariously vicious.
I'm 35 now so I was a kid during the Monday night wars and that was my life. I remember Russos appearances on the WCW Internet shows or reading recaps on any number of wrestling sites in the late 90s and God there were SO many sites. Lords of pain, scotsman ddt digest and on and on and on. I dont know if it was this show specifically but I remember perfectly reading a recap of a Russo WCW internet appearance where he said and it was 1999, "who wouldnt want to see a Goldberg Ultimate Warrior match?" God help us.
@eric Dubwaaa CZcams search for car crashes or major auto wrecks it would be the same thing
@eric Dubwaaa you're serious? Can you tell me why? If I'm serious, it's hard to see how one or other doesnt get hurt or hurt the other. It would be very ugly, warrior throwing his weak clotheslines goldberg selling like a fat fly is buzzing around his nose and eyes. Warrior wouldnt go for any of Goldbergs bizarre psuedo MMA offense. Warrior isnt giving Goldberg an arm or leg for Goldberg to leap over and yank out of its socket. Goldberg isnt going up for a Gorilla press and Warrior isnt taking a jackhammer. Neither guy is gonna be willing to do the job. I cant see how anyone would want to see this unless it's for the lulz as they say
@eric Dubwaaa that would be like watching a UFC matchup today with any combo of past-their-prime fighters... I’ll pass! 🤣
If it was Warrior in his prime peoples would 100% want to watch that match.
@@hector4470 just because they'd want to see doesnt mean this much wont be the drizzling shits. The story telling would make no sense
The match would be short.
Neither will job for the other
Goldberg is dangerous
Both have 5 moves in skillset lol (exaggeration)
Neither can cut a sensical promo to promote the build up to the match very well . It's just so much wrong with this match . Rvd vs Lou Thesz seems like a good match but would be the drizzling shizzs
That picture makes Bischoff look like a bargain basement Vigo from Ghostbusters 2.
A CHILD! 💡💡
Bret the Shitman Fart
I, Eric Bischoff, The scourge of TNA Command you!
lol
So random yet so wonderful.
That Brett Bischoff image fucks with my mind.
I can see it right now from Russo, "Bro, we gotta put some life into this show!!! How about Dean Malenko versus Garbage Man Jim Duggan???" HOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
I genuinely loved how angry that made Eric. I would have been just as mad in his shoes, for the same reasons
“What about if they fought in a bakery??!” 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I really Ike Eric! I find him funny and smart. Glad he has this show :)
So true what he said about Cuomo.
Could have said it about Newsom too.
@@BlueLighteningGojo Or any democrat really.
@@zackfair6791 What does that make the Republicans? Jim Herd?
@@braydenfletcher8159
Funny enough, the Republicans of the 90s sounded like Cornette does now lol
I think he said "Como" making all Italians wince.😂
There are a lot of things I hate about Russos writing, and some of it I liked. However the most hated thing I ever thought he did, was thinking Jeff Jarrett is a main eventer.
AGREE. jeff jarret is trash
I agree with that, I do have some respect for Jarrett though for some the things he did as a promoter, starting Tna, even though the main event revolved around him until Angle arrived, they still gave a platform for a lot of talent to make names for themselves.
If Jeff Jarrett was in his prime right now he would def hold the belt if the fucking Miz did
My most hated thing Russo ever did was book himself as champion, it made no sense and made Russo look good and made Booker look bad. It wasn’t like when McMahon won at all, plus at least he put the talent over something Russo never really did
Jarrett sucked but he was no Arquette 😂
I’m gonna be seeming that picture in my sleep for the rest of my life.
Bertric Bischart vs Conill Tomberg? It is pretty ugly in a hilarious way.
@@jgshowtime9184 oooo of those
Seeing*
lmao
It’s interesting how this segment is about WCW’s rating not improving under Russo & how he’s blaming Standards & Practices and others for the lack of ratings rising, but Russo’s supporters are STILL on here arguing about how much better ratings were when he was in WCW...🤨
because fans of Russo are the type of people that say they've been taken by aliens and had things shoved in their ass lol
Less than 30 seconds for Meltzer's name to pass Conrad's lips. I won the pool!
Fat boy is an annoyance with no original opinions or questions. He is a Meltzer parrot and soap boy
@@nick56677 I wouldn’t go that far. I hate Meltzer and don’t even like Conrad, but I understand Conrad is using the observer as a reference point.
There are plenty of things that can be said about Meltzer. Most of them are negative. But one positive thing is that he has covered wrestling meticulously for the last 35+ years. I see no problem with Conrad using his “reporting” as a reference point. It also makes it abundantly clear that most of what he reported was false.
Don't let conrad in the pool or else all.of the water will jump out in terror!
@@nick56677 fat boy? Move over bruce, Uncle Conrad is the one and only FatMan!
@@nick56677 which imo is fine. I don't want him to drop hot takes, I want him to just set up Bischoff to say things
"He is like the Andrew Cuomo of professional wrestling." 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bashing Cuomo before it was suddenly cool -- Bischoff might have a head on his shoulders.
"The Andrew Cuomo of Professional wrestling"........lol, love eric
He could of said Chris (Fredo) Cuomo and that comment would have gotten over all the same 👍
@@rustykuntz94 shit birds of a feather...
Gets a whole nother meaning now lmao
He said "he'd kick him in the teeth."😅😅
I'd Believe It When Bischoff Says He'd Do So Than When Cornette ... Eric IS a LEGIT Martial Artist, & Could Not Need ANY Baseball Bat or Tennis Racket ...
Here’s the problem, Eric says the young guys had a lack of talent and they “didn’t have it.” So they should’ve kept marching out the same old guys who the fans got tired of, who ran off some of the young guys like Eddie, Jericho, Show and Benoit?
Truth is, Russo made a great call by utilizing the young guys but he rushed everything, had too much content, and overexposed some of the talent.
Production was terrible, I was watching the show on mute because commentary was so atrocious and his writing did nothing to help the young guys. But the young guys did deserve their spot.
None of those guys were main eventers in WWE for years after this point either.
They were in the right spot on the card
Ehh. Two wrongs dont make a right. Eric should have started pushing guys like Jericho eddie, booker etc etc but he didnt. They were gone. Besides booker. The young talent that Russo did push were no where near worthy of the pushes they got. If Jericho is a 10. Above average Mike saunders is a 2. Just because they are young dosent mean its the right call pushing them.
There’s a difference between using Eddie, Benoit, and Jericho and using Shawn Stasiak, The Artist, and Norman Smiley
@@davidtodd3401 Go rewatch 1996 on WWE's side and you'll realize most of the jobbers are who become the main eventers by 98-00.
SCSA's first televised match on WWF was against Matt Hardy.
Had Turner never sold to AOL then I think it's a safe bet Russo/Eric B would have killed WWF all they had to do was just buy SCSA or the Rock afterall and that would have crippled them.
I would even go as far to say Eric B could have talked Turner into going edgier than WWF but it's modern WWE who wants to spead this myth that WCW was killed over low ratings.
Sure VKM low ratings killed WCW, which is why in the same year WWF opened Raw up to new bidders AOL Time Warner didn't even make an offer to you and let you go to "The Nashville Network" who changed their name and programming away from Dukes of Hazzard, the Waltons, fishing shows, and PBR. WCW's death was not due to the perception that wrestling was this trashy show rotting teenagers brains at all. Nope it was all VKM's genius and not pure luck that Turner sold out.
@@darthbigred22 nah dude, read into WCW. They were being forced to tone down the edgyness by 97/98.
Jericho, Benoit, Eddie etc we're not on Austin's level. Not even close.
None of the guys claiming to be held back jumped ship and started main eventing.
They were all in the same position in both companies until like 5 years later because that's where they belonged.
They weren't big enough stars at that point. Ring work is such a small part of it and that's the only aspect they were ready in.
None of those guys were going to outdraw Hogan, Goldberg, Sting etc at that point and that's what the business is.
The one thing people forget then as it is now Vince McMahon has final say on everything
Not anymore! 😂
Notice how it’s never Russo’s fault? Funny that...
For Russo's health, I hope Bischoff or Cornette never find out his home address
😂😂😂😂
Vince Russo Might Get The COVID.
cornette has his address
Eric won’t mess with Russo, he’s “dead” to him. As for Corny, yeah Russo won’t want him to find him
@@mwcarolina cornette already has his address and russo hs a restraining order on him
We gotta get cornette and bichoff on a pocast together just burying russo. That would be a record breaker.
The real question though: Conrad or Brian to host?
@@theoneandjabroni3002 Plot twist: Ric Flair to host.
@@sirtoby4939 make it happen. I dont care who needs spoken to, make it happen cap'n
That would be great!! 😂😂
That'll be awesome!
We should have got Goldberg vs Vince Russo in a match, a fifteen minute match, lmao.
Russo is propbably a more polished in ring worker
Why so Goldberg can claim Russo took liberties🤣
That would break attendance records
Goldberg is a sweethart irl. You needed 2003 new jack in a scaffold match!
That’s a horrible idea, Goldberg puts down guys bigger than Russo in a matter of minutes, no amount of shenanigans could keep Russo surviving Goldberg for 15 mins
Damn if he felt like that then about not being able to do stuff imagine how tf he would feel now 🤣🤣
Conrad killed it this episode, well done.
Eric: Try to find a single redeeming part of the show. Just try.
Also Eric: Here are a few moments that I really liked about the show.
Redeeming: compensating for someone's or something's faults; compensatory
@@astrozoodo you think that I could meet Eric one day cause I’m his biggest fan and I’ve wanted to see him
Not enough ads
Judy Bagwell on a forklift match. enough said.
That will put butts in seats lol
😂😂😂😂
Who could ever forget the Judy bagwell on a forklift match 😂
@@GameTime-yj6qv classic 😆
@@amesholmes5592 it’s vividly remembered, but for all the wrong reasons lol.
Some unknown writers back home listening. "that wasn't russos, that was mine" lol
andrew cuomo of prof wrestling. Didn't need to say anything else lol
Marked out with that line
Pretty funny
I believe Eric B. would have made certain and understood his limitations prior to going forward, only getting reprimanded for items that were ok prior to the merger. Whereas I see Vince Russo haphazardly going forward without caring about standards and practices, then crying to everyone who would listen how he is mistreated
Bishop has already commented on this in previous interview's
After 1997 things did change there were numerous problems starting with the Ted Turner Time Warner AOL acquisition and merger
after that things got complicated because Ted Turner wasn't running anything anymore
and it was decided that the show needed to change and become less violent and more family-friendly oriented
and so bischoff basically was told by individuals that he had now had to answer to because they control the budget is that if he didn't do things their way then he wouldn't have a show to produce
I saw a Vince Russo apologist saying that if wwe wants to be good again they need to bring back the bra and panties matches. When I was 13 I loved it. But at 32 if that’s the reason I’m watching the show. I’m probably not that interested in the show.
Instead we’ll have SERIOUS wrestling “strong style” and draw 1.5 million viewers.
@@greatomeister675 Isn't funny that these fans are getting the kind of wrestling they wanted and WWE is doing its RECORD LOWS 😂😂
Give me one show where Russo booked a bra and panties match
@@peterf08 it was referring to attitude era kind of product
I miss bra & panties matches. I can't stand these shows where 50% of the matches are women's matches. While there are a few women that are really talented ( Sasha Banks, Charlotte, Alexa Bliss, Hikaru Shida, Asuka, Rhea Rhipley, Io Shirai, Bayley), most of the current crop would barely get booked on an indie show if they were men, and I do not like seeing women in hardcore or HIAC type matches. It just doesn't do anything for me, and puts them at unnecessary risk for injury.
That was such a good point. Scripted media can get away with saying pretty much anything, but wrestlers had to watch their mouth.
BRO BRO BRO BRO BRO
@Nate Amstutz I don't get it.
@Nate Amstutz Sorry, I haven't watched RAW in years.
I guess Russo got his "Traditionalist v. Russo" storyline in the form of New Blood vs. Millionaire's Club. Also if Standards and Practices had Russo cuffed, then how was Mark Madden able to get away with the things he said on commentary?
As for entertainment during Russo's WCW era - Team Canada with Lance Storm holding three titles. The Canadian Rules match was great. I don't know if Russo booked the whole thing - I think Disco Inferno came up with Lance holding three titles - but it was great. The problem was that it was buried under the Russo stuff.
@@alstover It’s hilarious how Lance Storm hates Russo also yet he was the one that was trying to get him over back then giving him the titles.
You think WCW was edgy in 2000?
How old are you? I am 38 and I can tell you nothing WCW ever did came close to WWF in that department.
Here's a quick few examples
1. Al Snow's Head (head being a reference to blowjobs)
2. 69 on the back of D-X jerseys
3. "SUCK IT"
4. Jackie and the Kat flashing on PPV
5. Pretty much everything Sable did
6. Pretty much everything Goldust did
7. Austin 3:16 (openly blaspheming and slamming Christians)
8. Pretty much everything Val Venis did
9. Pretty much everything Godfather did
10.Mankind/ECW level matches with barbed wire, extreme stunts, tacks, etc
11. TLC matches (the best of the series is still during the wars)
12. Satanic Ministry of Darkness and crucifying SCSA
13. The Brood entering from Hell
14. Bossman and Gangrel being lynched
15. Bossman killing a chihuahua and feeding it back to it's owner or interrupting a funeral to steal the deceased.
16. The People's strudel/Big Valbowski (the Rock and Val Venis' penises)
17. The Rock's love of "poontang pie" on the Thanksgiving special in 1999 later shortened to just "pie". So when he says he's "pie eating" in his rants he means he loves to eat pussy.
18. Pretty much everything Mark Henry did once he was "Sexual Chocolate"
19. No ladies from WCW posed with
So I assume you weren't old enough or you literally weren't alive back then to type what you did. It was day and night between those two shows even when WCW tried.
Off topic, but the coolest thing to me as an adult is to go back and watch Nitro and Raw and gain real appreciation for those heels we all hated. Even Jeff Jarret! I hated him so much as a kiddo! Now, I appreciate and respect the guy and his work. Guys that lost all time to make the other guy!
The picture of Bret with Eric’s face is hilarious 😆
I would love to know how much Russo wrote that was a hit and what wasn't. He's credited for the best time in wrestling also the destruction of it. Please I need numbers of wt was actually Russo
Dx was Russo but they were going to be called "The Elite"
I think Cornette wouldn't stab Russo in the back. Most definitely in the front
Eric Bischoff needs his own podcast
I think the reasoning that things that were acceptable from Sitcoms and Drama shows and not Pro Wrestling, is because Wrestling, especially in those days was still presented as a sporting event, at least at face value. If something wasn’t gonna be acceptable for MLB or NFL announcers to say, it wouldn’t fly for Wrestling.
Conrad Thompson must have a hard on for both Russo and Meltzer. Meanwhile, Cornette and Bischoff should just form a tag team and double team Russo.
He uses them as counterparts to the person he is interviewing. It’s a good use to give a different opinion and challenge the person he is talking to instead of just saying “yup, okay, now my next question”
I’m suprised that Russo didn’t try to relaunch the Brawl For All in WCW...
Elbows Pads|Knee Pads|Taped Wrists|MMA Style Gloves Past Present Future
14:06 Whew!! That's attitude
Russo may have been an idiot but Bischoff burying young talent says a lot.
I liked Lenny and Lodi. They were over too.
I did too. They were one of my favorite tag teams in that period. They were different, but in a good way, and were totally committed to the gimmick.
They were over when they had the Cruiserweight title, but as Standards and Practices, they stunk
Hi Conrad my name is Bridget and I’m from Michigan I’m always wanting to meet you and Eric bischoff too
Which episode is this from? A dlash barely legible say ep 140 srarcade 99, but ep 140 on list is a 2010 tna ppv?
I can just imagine Russo's rant on WCW Live, being littered with the word "Bro" every other word.
One thing most people agree on: Vince Russo is a hack, a fraud, a failure and we hope Jim Cornette finds his address someday.
Russo is a loser and a conman who had 99% of his ideas filtered by Vince McMahon and was lucky to have Steve Austin, The Rock and the best production team plus announcer in the business getting his garbage across. He played a role in causing Spike TV to cancel TNA. If he is as valuable as he deludes himself and his sycophants to think he is, why did the WWF have its best financial and creative year in 2000 after he left?
Couldn’t agree more. To make fun of Jim Ross and his disability on national television is absolutely fucking deplorable. No wonder Corny spat in Ed’s face!
This post is compete BS. Vince McMahon is there in WWE right now and WWE is doing record low numbers. Plus if it wasn't for Russo working with Rock he wouldn't be The Rock, because Vince McMahon would still have him being happy babyface that smiles and loves the fans no matter what.
@@DBonaldi Vince McMahon has done far worse things to JR. Funny Cornette doesn't have that same energy for Vince McMahon.
Ha! Popped about the teeth kicking spot!🤣
By the way...how’s that Devotion Championship Wrestling promotion doing?
if ted turner wasn't involved. wcw would have blew up
Wcw was doomed to fail. In about 6 different ways. Mostly due to Turner Broadcasting.
When Eric and Corny agree (say the Same thing), it must be true. 😂😂😂
Is that really what "agree" means?
Why Corny never did anything worth a shit in the business other than pushing this myth of the Rock n Roll express being this hot act. He expects you to forget that was during the Hulk years when no one cared what they were doing in NWA.
He got his shot in 1997 and I can tell you as a teen then other than Dan Severin the rest sucked.
Jim Cornette is the second greatest manager of time (Bobby the Brains of course is first). His run with the Midnight Express is Legendary. As someone who lived the JCP Territory I can say the R n R Express was a Hot Act. The money they drew was proof. The money the drew with the Midnight Express was big time! With Corny and Ricky Morton providing the main mouth pieces and then the boys didn't disappoint with the action. He managed the WWF/E World Champion and Tag Team Champions.
Smokey Mountain Wrestling was the last Real Territory (ECW was map for the new age Independents) and still gets views on CZcams. Jim trained Sunny (in the business, not in life) and in OVW he helped launch the careers of Batista, Randy Orton, Brock Leaner, John Cena, MnM, Sheldon Benjamin...... He was the reason the ROH got the ABC Contract and the eventual buyout. He and Dutch are the reasons TNA had much of their success, when they did have some. He has 2 Great Podcast. The only thing, will main major thing I differ on Corny with is I AM a Southern Baptist (that won't change) and of course he doesn't believe in God, which he is free to do (that's between him and God, 😂).
I don't try to change anyone's opinion, I just state my own.
@@jumpinjohnnyruss
I'm this case, Yep. 😂😂😂
The fact that Russo had nothing for Hulk is a big problem. Have him as the Godfather of nWo 2000. Tension builds with him and Bret the new leader of the nWo that boils into a big cage match.
I got a great idea bro! You can have Bret and hogan in an ego match bro! Basically you have two balloons connected to two pumps bro! They are both turned off and each wrestler has to turn on the pump bro and the other has to stop him and turn it off bro! Each balloon has the word “ego” written in big letters bro and the first balloon to pop bro, wins the match bro! The winner gets to run nwo 2000 as the guy with the biggest ego bro!
There are a lot of things I can appreciate a lot of things Eric Bischoff did. Some of my favorite matches happened on his watch.
But his virulent attitude about saying wrestling is a sport, really gets under my crawl.
Now my attitude will always be CLOSE ENOUGH.
In the end its wrestling, its neither fish nor fowl.
I actually agree with thecrest of what he says in the videon
Because he is appeasing to the marks, he knows exactly what he's saying
He's an opportunist
Russo fans, such as there are, forget that there was a time when Jerry Springer was the hottest thing on television.....then it limped through 20 years of near anonymous syndication.
Exaaaaaaaaaactly! The car crash tv shit did phenomenal in the late 90’s and early 2000’s, but it was completely dead by 04 or so. Russo wanted WCW to be like Jerry Springer.
Well, he got his wish. Except he never reached the popularity that allowed him to limp through 20 years of syndication.
Add to the fact that Jerry Springer’s show was also starting to get a crapload of heat from sponsors, et al for the materials that was being shown, which is what lead up to it limping in syndication. So I guess Russo didn’t think that could happen to the shows he put together..
I think the the thing with Vince Russo is he just has a different perspective on wrestling. I watched Kayfabe Commentaries last night with Sean Oliver & Russo and it's so insightful of Russo's thinking towards the business. Russo see wrestling as "entertainment" and clearly doesn't see any positives in a good wrestling match anymore (since the curtain was pulled back due to the internet in the late 90's). I disagree. Wrestling to me is: Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels Wrestlemania 12. I absolutely loved the attitude era and the "golden era" of the late 80's/early 90's as well as the "New Generation" era but Russo's booking and writing was one of the reasons I switched off from wrestling in the early noughties. I appreciate that Russo wanted to push the younger guys and tried to move on the old guard towards less TV time etc but I can't be having Judy Bagwell on a Pole matches, Jim Duggan finding the TV title in the trash can or David Arquette winning the world title. No not for me mate. That killed wrestling for me. Eric Bischoff (currently reading his Cash Creates Controversy book - cracking read so far) over Vince Russo for me all day long. Eric had a mind for the business, Russo doesn't in my own humble opinion.
You loved the Attitude era yet hate Russo? That makes no sense. "Car crash TV" is a nice way to say Jerry Springer like TV. All the heights of the Attitude era even after he left are that influence. Hart/HBK are what were in the way of it and it was obvious then as it is now.
So you were not really as old as you imply you are or you were more on the other side and hated the edgy "Attitude" era stuff like most of the WCW fans argued back then. I was a teen back then and I do recall those arguments from the brand loyal WCW fans. We (WWF fans) liked trashy stupid shows and didn't have real stars like Hogan. We'd argue back the WCW guys were old, the show was kiddie, and the only thing they had that was cool was the nWo, Sting, and Goldberg.
I have a feeling Conrad is an undercover Vince Russo mark, would love to hear Cornette and Bischoff do an interview together about douchebag.
Eric Bischoff has one great personality, It’s the other 15 that show out from time to time that people can’t stand
Double J was never main event material which is why he was not a main ever prior to Russo showing up in wcw
To be fair he did Main event.... In the promotion he founded.
@@sirtoby4939 "ill make my own promotion, and ill main event it instead, youll see Vince!"
@@theoneandjabroni3002 TNA was pretty entertaining tho'. Until Hogan fucked it.
@@sirtoby4939 it had all the potential, then hogan had it like he had bubbas missus
@@sirtoby4939 Every damn week! I got tired of seeing him.
Can this man do a podcast without bashing Russo?
They can’t because they are bitter that Russo was successful bringing in fans to watch wrestling while the others weren’t. Yeah Bischoff helped stabilize WCW and put them over the hump but he didn’t keep them going for years like he should have.
Except Russo didn't. There was a quick boost, but it didn't stick. The product didn't get any better.
Vince Rasso!!! I love this photo of Bischoff and his Bret Hart onesie!!!
it looks more scott hall than the hitman to me
i think russo wanted to book warrior vs goldberg also and notice all the new blood wrestlers have either gone into hiding or are just not so popular.
Mr. Bischoff owns up to many errors. However, when Mr. Turner lost power, Eric lost his power backer.
That loss of power along with making several bad contract decisions, led to the downfall of WCW.
Paul Heyman described it as choke points.
For the entertainment business you need Content, Financing and Distribution to be successful.
Bischoff lost two out of three roughly around the same time. When the NWO lost that cool factor they lost their content. When Turner lost his power, that led to WCW losing distribution.
These factors destroyed WCW. And sadly, began a two (going on three) decade drought where we, the wrestling fan, are forced to bear witness to PG Era wrestling and overpaid independent shows.
When WCW and ECW went under, it was the fans that lost.
Have you ever worked for a place where you know the right way the business needs to go but some bonehead middle management guy despises everything you come up with. But you know the guys above them would love your ideas?
Now imagine this same guy barring you from accessing anyone that would be able to do anything and forcing you to produce substandard work.
Now you know that you aren't the best, but you are pretty damn good. But because of the product you represent, you cannot gain respect. This prevents you from creating the best content. And that bonehead crushes half or more of your ideas, putting you into an impossible position.
Each and every one of us has worked in a situation like this.
Now imagine being responsible for about 1,000 human beings and knowing that this bonehead is preventing you from giving these employees the quality of life you promised them.
I would have lost my cool way before Mr. Bischoff did.
As for Mr. Russo, I do not enjoy the content he creates in general. But every once in a while he is the golden goose. The only problem is, you have to sift through the other 99 rotten eggs to find that golden one.
Not efficient and I pity the person whose job it is to do the sifting.
If you have somehow read all of this, thank you for your time.
Nwo never lost its cool factor until the two Vinces got their hands on it.
@@johngough2323 WRONG! I was a teen then there was too many nWos by 99 and it was not cool after the Wolfpac
Pull your head out and think before you repeat a WWE documentary lie or Jim "I never ran WWF or WCW nor can point to anything other than the screwjob as my claim to fame" Cornette bullshit.
AOL Time Warner merges in Jan 2000. If merely ratings were all that mattered to them I would remind you that 2000 is the same year WWF opened up bidding for Raw. I am sure AOL Time Warner had more money than TNN (the network with bullriding, fishing shows, and Duke's of Hazard reruns) did. So if they just wanted a high rated wrestling show why didn't they bid for WWF who was also public by that time and would not have been able to refuse a higher offering than TNN?
OR
It's like Eric B says wrestling was not loved by the "respectable" public. AOL Time Warner was going to kill WCW regardless if they were the top show in wrestling or not. Some of us were teens back then and remember the almost monthly hand wringing by the big news networks about how bad wrestling was for kids, women, etc.
Now if I am WWF which one would I rather want you believing? That I legit beat Ted Turner or that Ted Turner sold out and the WWF had skewed the public's perception of wrestling into a scuzzy Jerry Springer like show so much that only a few cable channels wanted it?
I really do respect how he owns his role and his own shortcomings in the failures
The fact that he thought Double J was a main event performer says it all . Do Russo fans think Jarrett was a main event guy.
I’m a huge Russo fan and at that time no he was mid card at best I thought the hogan and Jarrett match from bash at the beach was a joke before it started look how big hogan was and how small Jarrett was I feel like if it was Booker or Steiner against hogan at that pay per view hogan may have compromised on losing
Nobody is perfect. Bischoff clearly though Bret Hart wasn't a main event guy when he was.
Russo however was a big advocate for the likes of AJ Styles, Triple H and Booker T. How many people were pushed from the midcard to the main event under Bischoff, Prichard or Cornette in WCW/WWE?
@@TheNextStep851 triple h shouldnt have been a main eventer. Like Jarrett shouldnt have been.
@@johngough2323 Personally I'm not a fan of Triple H after the last 20 years but at the time he should have been and I think a lot of people would agree that from 1998-00 he was definitely main event material.
Double J was a solid mid card and I loved to hate him as a kid when he was in WWF. But good lord I had no interest at all in that slap nuts crap.
The logo for Starrcade looks legit🤣
Conrad is Obsessed With Meltzer
I can't believe there are people who still defend Russo's WCW tenure. Seriously, go back and watch some of it. It is some of the worst wrestling television that has ever existed.
I have and you couldn't be anymore correct. Completely stupid booking. It was like a fan who knew nothing about the business had taken over.
@Cole Stephens you’re right g
He did some good things .. biscoff has done so many mistakes too etc but he always talks smack about Russo as if he’s perfect .. at the end of the day he failed just like Russo .. I think pointing the finger to Russo makes him feel better
@Cole Stephens Sorry, these "accomplishments" mean absolutely nothing when you're producing absolute garbage television on a weekly basis. Nitro and Thunder during his reign was full of constant DQ finishes, worked shoot nonsense, horrible gimmicks and awful, meaningless matches. Like I said before, the worst wrestling television I have ever seen.
But the rating was starting to go up lol go back and look at the ratings from October 1999- January 2000
@Cole Stephens lol yeah prob so it’s just funny how These people constantly bury the damn man yet don’t do there research they can keep following Eric 83 days bischoff til he gives up podcasting for a 2nd time and go works for another wrestling company just to get shit canned to come back to this lmao
The enemy of enemy is my friend so in some weird way Cornette and Bischoff are besties 😂.
Eric Bischoff is the man!
I get what Russo was saying and I think deep down Eric does. Nobody thinks he thinks if Buzzkill could light incense on Nitro that would have shot them to #1. That is ridiculous. He was saying standards and practices were hogtying him. If they wouldn't let him do those things what would they let him do?
How about great in-ring matches, good storylines and elevating new stars? Russo himself admits he hates real wrestling which is why everything has to be a gimmick, swerve or pole match. Standards & practices didn't seem to hogtie Bischoff too badly when he beat Raw every week for almost 2 years.
Nowadays after Vince took a 20 year long $hit on the business, WCW 2000 seems tame in comparison but back then those of us who lived it considered it an embarrassment.
Bischoff talking on how Russo didn’t understand how advertisers work...similar to what Jim Cornette talked about when he said TNA was hard pressed to get sponsors when Russo came in board. He said the mere fact that Russo had to add the TNA to the organization’s title alone made sponsors go in the other direction..
Pressed for sponsors? You do realize these networks (FOX SPORTS NET & Spike TV) wouldn’t have picked up TNA if they didn’t think they could get companies to buy AD time. Impact was the highest rated show on these networks while Russo was writing for the company.
@@hector4470 Spike put TNA on AFTER they had 1st let Russo go. Russo came back afterwards. Oh, and exactly how long did that last, again? And why isn’t Russo in big-time wrestling again?
@@creoleDJ The only year he wasn’t a writer for TNA was 2005 and 2012 onwards. 2006- 2011 he was the writer of the show.
how does Ferrarra mimicking Jim Ross's ailment boost ratings?
@Bryan Mack Hawk just like Scott Hall had a legit drinking problem which under no circumstances has any business being part of a wrestling storyline. Drug addiction and alcohol abuse have no business on a professional wrestling TV show and yes I'm pointing my finger at the WWE
@malikail57 bringing addiction problems into professional wrestling is not entertainment and has absolutely no place in wrestling, as to the shit that you've seen in wrestling shows, give me full details as to what you're referring to
When he stopped doing it the ratings where boosted
@@totallybored5526 I lost so much respect for Russo when he appeared on Jim Ross's podcast and instead of owning up to and apologizing for his mistake he flipped it and made it all about himself
@@rickydona919
You had respect for him in the first place?
I hate Vince Russo as much as the next guy, but his story has never changed. Erics and Hulks story change every other year. Tell the whole damn truth, not half truths.
If Vince Russo were a game developer, he would be Randy Pitchford
Of course there's a double standard...the industry created it for itself. If the customer thinks it is sport, because it is presented as sport (Hey there were 83 greatest nights in the history of our sport), then it has to be programmed as sport. Add the layer that WCW as owned by its network, and of course that standard would be enforced. I'm not saying they are right to do so. I'm just saying it isn't the hardest mystery to solve.
I wish they would try to modernize the product. Actually have a rank system and no allow interference at all. It's the only televised "sport" where no one cares if there is open cheating.
I still believe Russo was sent by Vince to WCW to finish sinking it.
lol
I think so today .There's no way you can make that many incompetent decisions.
Then why wasn't he rehired after WWE bought WCW? No he was shit in WWE too. He wasn't sent to WCW, he was fired for being a bad writer.
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 Wrong. WWE (stephanie mcmahon( tried to re-hire him for $125,000 as she was head of creative. But Russo said No I can't do that. Russo felt disrespected in a phone-call with Stephanie. Russo went to TNA for $100,000.
I would say I was a russo fan for a day at most before my dad helped me start educating myself.
Love this
You get the weird feeling if BTK bought Conrad lunch, the Mortgage Meatball would say "Yeah, I know, he did some awful stuff, but he was nice to me"?
BTK?
@@brixtonmystery serial killer. Stands for bind, torture and kill.
Wait Russo has supporters?? I wouldn't be surprised if all Russo supporters on the internet are really Russo with alt accounts lol
Oh, he has fans. Many of them are in this comment section. I've met a few in real life, and they're too stupid to sit the correct way on a toilet seat.
Erics rant about standards and practices verifies what Russo said. He's always said he didn't mind standards and practices. What he didn't like was they changed rules every week.
At around th 19:55 mark Bischoff says-"A lot of con artists are like that"
And first thing in my head is:
If any one knows con artists, it would be Bischoff as he was one of biggest in wrestling, right under Heyman.
Bro.
Honestly I would believe the Devil over Russo any day.Bro
Russo would claim he created the Devil.
15:30 lol
not that my comment matters, but I do enjoy learning what you have to say
Dear Vince..... you shouldn't want to mock someone's bells palsy!!
It still amazes me that he ever thought that was ok, just awful.
I remember 10-15 years ago, after thinking maybe everybody was too hard on Russo, going back and watching his WCW run...it's like a ADHD fever dream, completely unwatchable and no amount of sex or profanity changes that..
If you think WCW was unwatchable and the current product is, you're a total mark
It's still 10x better than todays product
@@peterf08 IWC is total marks. They remind me of those losers fans in "Wresting with Shadows" talking about how Bret Hart saved their lives back in 97 before the show got really edgy. I would have loved to seen those same people interviewed 2-3 years later when WWF was on fire and see what they said then.
@@darthbigred22 well said, they are brainwashed by people like Meltzer, all you need to do is look at the numbers
Don't think we'll ever get wrestling that mainstream ever again
What was the point of Sting outsmarting Liz and Luger if he ended up getting his ass kicked anyway?
The comment about comparing someone to Andrew cuomo has aged like fine wine