The Fastest Way To Bleed Any Diesel Fuel System
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- čas přidán 23. 08. 2024
- Down on the farm - Mark shows you the fastest way he knows of to bleed a diesel fuel system after it has been run out of fuel - no tools - all you need is a buddy and .......
Rented a plate packer and ran out of diesel. Rental company said that the whole fuel system has to come apart to get the engine started again. Tried this trick and started immediately. Saved myself several hundred $$ in “repairs” by the rental company!
Thank you for this video!
Anytime Phil - cheers from Canada!
My case 1840 was down for 3 days. I bled the lines 3 times and nothing. I saw this video and tried it. It absolutely worked. Had it started in 10 seconds. Thanks bud!
Anytime Randy!
I've been cussing my 1840 out all afternoon. The only good thing is that if ran out of fuel in my shop. 38 and raining here in Iowa today so at least I was working out of the rain. I've bled it half a dozen times, sacrificed at least one 14mm wrench to the black hole, ran the battery dead and it's still not showing any signs of life. If this method works for me tomorrow I am driving to your house and giving you a big man hug.
You saved my bacon!!! Thanks a bunch. We are traveling in a Sprinter van with a mercedes engine. This did the trick. Thankfully we are not stranded 500 miles from home.
Good to hear - cheers!
I just used this method this afternoon on my 1973 IH tractor. It worked great. I told my neighbor, who's farmed all of his life about it. He never heard of it but I bet he tries it.
Thank you for sharing this video - it was a real life saver. After 3 days of failed attempts to get my old Ford Backhoe running I was pulling my hair out, but this did the trick. I did find it easier to use a portable air compressor and a 'spray gun' usually used for cleaning - but filled with diesel it put out a fine spray, and I was able to keep the engine running for approx. a minute until the air was bled from the system, and it has been running since.
Excellent result -- nothing like the sound of an engine that is running like a fined tuned machine eh?
Exactly - I won't be forgetting this trick any time soon ;-)
Tried this method on my Kubota MX5200 as a last ditch effort before disassembling the tractor to access the injectors. Had to use a little starting fluid in combination with the fuel spray bottle but it worked long enough for the injector pump to purge the air from the fuel system.... thanks for the great idea. mardyn
Glad it helped Mardyn - thanks for the comment - Cheers from Canada!
This spray bottle to fire it up after changing fuel filter on diesel was a blessing. This was the first sure sweet easy way of purging or bleeding it it fired right up. I did push the throttle full at first. Thanks for the time saver.
Anytime John - Cheers from Canada!
Red Green would be proud as a peacock. I'll never forget his Car-B-Que episode. Greetings from rural BC. :-)
What a great Hack.......i just tried it on a Ford Trader and it worked well ........to think i believed all the bullshit about needing to bleed the system out..........thanks mate your a legend
Anytime Matt - Cheers from Canada!
That's AWESOME!!! I bled my MF 135 and still didn't work. Then a cousin said to spray some diesel in there and it helped push it over the edge. I just wish I had seen this before I did all that bleeding. Oh well, now I know how to do it at least.
Smart cousin
I don't have a cousin, so I got a neighbor. Didn't work. We found my neighbor's cousin to spray the fuel and it worked right away.
I don't understand why its important to have a cousin here.
@@curtwpk1361 just cuz
This saved my day. Ran out fuel on my Ferguson 25 (1960, Perkins diesel). I sprayed start gas and diesel. Thanks alot.
Thank you very much for sharing! Worked great on a forklift I changed fuel filters on and lost all pressure to the fuel system. Even after filling the filters with diesel and trying starting fluid it wouldn’t start. This worked after I took the intake tube and sprayed diesel down the intake with the spray bottle. Also full fuel tank and charges batteries make a huge difference!
Glad to hear it worked - cheers!
Well that does look a shortcut, but it must depend somewhat on how much air is in the system, there is only so much the engine can pull to clear all the voids.
This looks like a good thing to try after getting rid of most of the air, and pull the rest through.
Let me know if it works - Cheers from Canada!
Thanks man, you just got my 96 350 started for me..
Anytime BigBro - Cheers from Canada!
I have a New Holland TD5030 that sat for a couple of years. Could not get it to start. I bled every fuel line, injector, pump and filter I could find. Still would not start. I used a combination of diesel and starting fluid ( approved for diesel engines ). Sprayed and squirted the cocktail into the air intake. Took a couple of tries, but that engine roared to life!!!! Can't thank you enough for the idea!!!!
Glad it worked out Roger - cheers from Canada!
Saved the day. Could not get the fuel to prime with the manual pump. Did as you demonstrated and she cranked right up
Good to hear - cheers Mark!
I replied to Frank Grant's post, but for those who don't read replies- this worked fantastically on my JD 5300. Many thanks Mark!
Unfortunately no luck for me , even with the filter removed and spraying it directly into the manifold only got a couple of coughs, Next step is to consult a technician as I have run out of options.
this is what i do on small gas engines i dint know this could work the same way ,thank for this great tip , i hit the like as a ty
Thanks 808 - Cheers from Canada!
Nice trick! I wish I would've known about this trick when I ran my 2001 dodge ram 2500 with the 5.9 Cummins out of fuel. The fuel guage was reading 1/8 of a tank so at the time I didn't realize it was actually out of fuel. After a shop charged me $2300 to change out the injection pump, I once again ran out of fuel thinking the guage was accurate and that's when I finally put 2 and 2 together.
I did put about $50 dollars worth of diesel in after the first incident, filled the filter bowl with diesel, but I didn't know enough to crack the lines open or use a spray bottle filled with diesel. Expensive lesson learned.
Hope it saves you in the future
Worked a treat on my old 60’s fiat tractor. Thanks for the info, saved my bacon😂🤣
Just tried it on a '86 Ford 1210 and it worked like a charm. Sure beats the way I use to do it.
Glad to hear it - Well done Tmuss - cheers!
thanks a lot! it really works astonishingly with my 4m40 engine and it saves me a lot of money.
No problem - anytime Alain
Did the second person have to give full throttle at the same time?
thank you so much, I tried it on Massey Ferguson 135 year 1974 loader tractor , it is very difficult to bleed injector nozzles, worked very well, appreciate
anytime cheers from Canada
Have the same one cant start it either. Gonna try this wish me luck
I'm going to try this on my Massey 255 is weekend. Because it hard as **** to do it any other way
Thank you so much..it worked great..so happy it's running now
Anytime Todd - glad t0 help - cheers from Canada!
Add my big thank you to the list. Got an old Deutz engine on a light tower running after changing all the rotted fuel lines. fired right up.... I cant even see the injectors on this thing but the air cleaner was easy to get to.
Anytime Paul - cheers!
My first attempt, using your trick on my IH 364, didn't work. Removing the air cleaner still left a long tube to the intake. No diesel mist reached the engine. After removing the hood and air intake hose between the air cleaner and engine, the engine started. It seems you have to be very close to the engine intake for it to work. It does take 2 people, but is a tremendous time-saver.
I think you're right about that - the length of the intake tract determines how well it will work - Thanks Tom - Cheers from Canada!
I've done this before with Aerostart fluid (not sure what the same stuffs called in Canada?). Never thought of diesel in a spray bottle though...great idea. Hope some dude doesn't try this with petrol in a spray bottle with his petrol engine.LOL
Wouldn't be good - thats for sure - in Canada we just call it ether or starting fluid
Worked on my 434 international. Great thanks
Excellent - cheers Scott
worked like a charm on my MF245 after I bled the system to no luck. Sprayed into the air intake for about a minute (stopped halfway through to let ignition coil cool down per MF handbook). Will have to remember this in the future!
Excellent result Richard!
A diesel wouldn't have an ignition coil surely?!?
It told my buddy about this DTJ dump truck Joe usually he'd I say I knew about that not this time time lol
You could also do it the correct way & open the bleed screw on the connection where the fuel goes into the injector pump. If the thumb screw is missing you just open it with a pair of pliers or multigrips.
Tried that - sometimes they are blocked with crud - good tip though - thanks
@@carquestions undo the nut retaining the needle valve & screw it right out & clean it. Its a shit set up & i dont know why kubota have it. Actually when i bleed them i do that anyway you can see when all the air is gone.
@@heybird5660 Did that after I got out of the hog pen - need to work fast with a 500 pound hog eyeing you
@@carquestions yeah i can understand that i,m glad it was you & not me hahaha
@@carquestions Real world pressures - you do what gets you out of trouble fast - great tip, thank you!
You got away with it because it's an old indirect injection non-turbo.
Do that on a modern common rail, you might hydro lock the engine = busted piston or bent rod, or burn up high pressure pump due to no lubrication.
Thanks a lot - your tip saved me hours
Anytime Mike - glad it worked - Cheers From Canada!
If you have air in your system, you have to remove the air. Sometimes you have to bleed it
I followed your advice in starting up our Ford 420 tractor after the fuel pump was rebuilt. Like a number of other commenters on this video, I had to use some ether to initially get it going. I sprayed shorts bursts of ether and diesel alternately until it took off. I'm not sure why the diesel alone did not work (I tried this first). Do you know why the diesel alone would not do it?--Thanks for this video!
TS - I think the intake tract of some diesels is shaped in such a way that little spray gets to the cylinder - the ether is more atomized and explosive so it does make it in - but you don't want to keep spraying it any longer than you have to. Cheers from Canada!
@@carquestions Thanks. That sounds about right. Anyway, it was fun shooting stuff in with both hands while yelling at my friend to give it more throttle.--Most excitement I've had in a long time.
Excellent idea. Why didn't I think of that?!
I like this shortcut, you do tips. Thanks a lot
I really hope this works I'm in a real jam here. shouldn't have bought a diesel I'm not educated enough on them.
It'll work if the fuel system is in good shape - no leaks or broken parts
Fast and easy. Thanks for sharing
no problem sunny
Learning with CZcams folks is excellent. From Sunny CA Valley
I replace fuel filter, now I can't get fuel to injector. Your method didn't help :( Any ideas? Filter is loaded with fuel.
Cool I will have to remember this tip.
It works good Z
We'll see tomorrow , been bleeding for a week , no results .
I've used a couple snorts or ether when I blew a line on a tractor, always sounds awful for a min or 2, I like this diesel spray bottle alot better. I've heard of guys going this with WD 40, not sure how good it is on the engine though.
Thanks for the comment wreck!
Shouldn't use either. The diesel should be fine. Might want to wipe it done inside after your done to prevent debris from collecting in the system.
Ether can really damage your diesel engine.
A lot of diesel engines tend to have issues that stem from improper use causing wet stacking to the exhaust system.
You typically want to use them at a minimum of 60% torque ratio. Even if you don't have a dpf your engine still needs to meet this.
If your engine is running in idle for more than 10 minutes you are hurting it. This will lead to the exhaust to start to back up in the system, and you'll notice the soot building in your pipes when you remove the exhaust from the manifold. It with make its way more in-depth, and start breaking down the system. Not all ports of your glow plugs are large enough to get a borescope into, but if you can get one in there you can start to realise the damage that is being done.
This is also where indications of ether being used can be seen.
WD40 is easier on the engine than starting fluid. Key to it is easy on the fluid.
Another way is to take cheese cloth and spray a small amount of gasoline on it while the rag is covering the intake opening. Only gas vapor will be drawn in.
Learned that 40years ago from an old time heavy equipment field mechanic.
Used this method many times over 4 decades with no issues.
@@richardc7721 so would work ok on a komatsu dozer
Never seen anyone use diesel before 🤔. That’s so much smarter that using gas or start fluids which can damage is engine.
Just makes sense - Cheers from Canada Diesel
Whats the difference between doing this and starter fluid? I have this starter fluid that advertises works on diesels and it seems to start my Vw rabbit caddy 1.9L mechanical up just fine
With using gas or starter fluid a diesel engine will knock and will pre ignite to fast. I made that mistake myself on a Yanmar diesel 2.4L
My 2009 f350 is having this problem right now. Is there any possobly harm to the engine doing this ??
Nope
I have a 3 cyl Kubota tractor that wont start , I have have been bleeding and cranking for 3 days. Shop manual procedure is not helping so I will try this. I have some ether based Easy Start but this looks safer . Fingers crossed !
Same situation: JD5300 with a 3 cyl Yanmar, have gone through this before, this time even pressurizing the fuel tank didn't work. Saw this yesterday afternoon after a bloodless :) day, going out to try it now.
Started right up! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Does anyone have experience with single cylinder diesel engine KM186FAG or 186f generator starting this way?
I am going to try this one on KIPOR KDE6700TA3 generator. It has been constant pain to start it. New gas pump, injector went for inspection, bleeding air every time, changing fuel for fresh one still no avail.
Also, I'll try to warm air intake with heater. Saw a guy doing it and it went very good.
Is the tank mounted above the engine?
@@carquestions Yes. Its slight in the front of the engine but above engine level. Then fuel goes down to the pump which is crankshaft driven and high pressure to injector. Return fuel goes back to tank.
Thank you.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. It works and is so easy,
Glad it helped Mike - cheers from Canada!
Thank u very helpful
great video☺
Thanks - hope it saves you some time
I have a 5.9l 12v mechanical and it won’t pull fuel past the injection pump, would this be something I can do?
lift pump maybe
carquestions yes, it’s in the mail lol
I'm a diesel noob and I'm just asking if anyone could please explain how this method bleeds air out of the fuel system? Thank you
The fuel systems are supposed to be self priming to some extent but most don't do it it well at cranking speeds - if you can get the engine running at higher speeds and for a couple of minutes then the fuel pump most times will suck in enough fuel and purge the air itself and you're off to the races
@@carquestions thank you
I got a Case 530 ck I have done a little bleeding work but still has air. Do you think this method will work? Also I am new to diesels so my biggest fear is that thing trying to take off and runaway and not being able to stop it covering the top intake.
Will this work on my turbo 4.1 liter Perkins 4 cylinder engine once I replace the fuel filter ? No need for bleeding? I'll fill fuel filter with diesel first.
It should - try it and let me know how it works
Are you foolin me. It’s that easy
Yep = works like a charm if nothing else is busted
Just did this to my Kubota grasshopper. Pretty sure major engine damage was achieved due to over revving.
How much and how long did you spray?
Most grasshopper diesels have a label on the air filter assembly specifically telling you not to do this.
yea buddy! gittin er done!
Works like a charm
CAN it also work on a Jaguar X type? I changed the injectors and now the engine won’t start. Also does anybody know why the car make this huge TAK TAK TAK noise when I start it with starter fluid?
don't use starter fluid - use this method
DO NOT use starter fluid in a diesel. It combusts at a different time and can crack the piston.
Thank you! Cool trick! :)
I accidentally put gas in my bobcat .I think I caught it in time . I'll try ur technece when I drain the tank.thanks
let me know how you make out
I would suggest cracking the lines off at the injectors and bumping the lift pump with diesel in the tank to clear the lines. This technique does work but it’s hard on your injectors
This is a much better way than starting fluid.
Safer for sure
im confused- im new to diesel and i hear this said a lot buy my 73 ford 7500 construction backhoe loader came from the factory with ether injection and no glo plugs. the old guy i bought it from said he has been starting it with ether/starting fluid for over 20 years he owned it with no problems so thats what i do. only needs a shot if it's cold or sitting for a long time maybe. seems wrong to me but must be ok??
J - this procedure isn't for normal starting - its for when you have run it out of fuel and it won't prime - keep using your starting method for normal starting
Saved me man saved me thank you
There will still be so,e air in the system...might need to bleed it again.
This machine has run fine ever since no need
Will this work on a turbo diesel engine
Yep - no problem -
Is there any danger that running the injector pump dry at ~high speed might damage it?
A minute or two won't hurt
I'm so frustrated and confused
What about intercooled turbo engines?
Bypass the intercooler
No piglets were injured whilst making this video...........
Thats right
I tried it on my Perkins AD4 engine in my Backhoe and it didn't work, I just had to keep working to get the air out of the system after changing the secondary fuel filter, I didn't think I was ever going to get it going.
I know what you mean, I got air in my system after changing the secondary filter, I must have pumped the handle on the fuel pump 2,000 times and finally gave up that it was going to pump anyting, I had to send for a pump and it was made in China and also pumped nothing, I then sent for another pump, this one had no name on it or any numbers and it pumped nothing, I finally gave up and had to invent my own electric pump system and it works good, my backhoe is a 1971 model MF.
@@kenvoigt3636 We had the same problem on the Perkins 4108 in out yacht, they are notoriously difficult to bleed. We installed a primer bulb from a OB fuel tank, works a treat.
This is good for a boom lift too??
Gasoline soaked rag works also.
Thats how we always did it on the farm.
i am gona try it on my yanmar tomorrow
hope it works for you
Did it work?
I don't know how many times I've replaced my lift pump in my thomas, finally dumped it and replaced with electric now it bleeds with a turn of the key.
I hear ya Max - good info
1903? Is that the model or the year?
1.903L of displacement
the air in the fuel lines might be gone but... the bubbles are still there.. lol!
long gone after a few minutes
What Are You spraying?
Diesel fuel
Hoss piss
Will this work on a kubota MX4700 tractor?
Worked like a charm! Thanks for sharing!
Anytime Larry - Cheers from Canada!
Saved me a lot of headache. I used wd40
Great result......cheers!
im getting told even though i have it running there is still air . it runs fine until i use it ,, it surges and eventually dies , it will start again on its own . It was doing that before i had to bleed lines. I know somebody knows what this is .
Happens to us all Owl - let us know what type of make and model you have and maybe some people can offer some advice - Cheers from Canada!
@@carquestions 80s JD 410 backhoe
Didn’t work, even though we followed your step-by-step tutorial- after replacing the fuel filter on a 1220 Ford HST diesel tractor, it won’t start, have to get a more specific solution for this engine-will deal with it in the morning, thanks anyway.
Try a little bit of ether - if that doesn't work your spraying it on the wrong side of the turbo - the diesel in the video had no turbo
does it hurt the turbo? or supposed to unhook stuff and go on back side of it? my 6.5 Detroit is not running more than five seconds has relocated Pmd, new filters, screen, lift pump, purged return line to bubble thru tank, no explanation other than bad IP. but runs great when it starts for five seconds then stall and wait few hours starts again. if your idea keeps it running then I have a fuel problem, not an IP prob....I was ready to order IP until this video. I tried this myself and still stalled, but when I get a second person to crank, going to try again, here's to hoping. but I can't spray before the turbo? it's ez to spray in with air filter removed, but needs some tools involved if have to avoid turbo
Hi, can i spray diesel diesel on OPEL zafira 2.0 dti? or do i need starter spray?
Yes - won't hurt anything
My John Deere 3042e did not work it was useless why?
other issue besides fuel? - mechanical maybe
Awsome/easy too
Hope it helped Scott
Aww man it's not working why??? It started for 30 seconds and died and started for short bits but now it won't do anything
probably more air in the fuel lines
wath s his name mtors
Trying on a MF110, Ran on fumes, lol
Did it work? Cheers from Canada!
Newer diesel machines have turbo. The intake is not accessible.
Good point LJD -- so spray way more - they still suck air one way or the other Cheers from Canada!
@@carquestions
From the air intake, there’s the turbo, then the inter cooler, then potentially the throttle plate, and finally the intake manifold…
Your right - a lot of stuff - but they still run if the turbo goes - so spray only while cranking it has to get in at some point doesn't it?@@lumberjackdreamer6267
@@carquestions
The turbo doesn’t spin when cranking. Turbo needs high velocity exhaust gases to spin.
Even if the turbo is broken and doesn't spin air goes past their blades doesn't it. Turbo blades are shaped to push air - they don't have any seal like a valve does - my point is air will get through the turbo even if it isn't spinning - turbos are not air tight designs.@@lumberjackdreamer6267
I think my lift pump is out
If the fuel fails to get to the injection pump then you are right Jervino
Yeah i jump out my fuel relay and no fuel came up by the injection pump
Terrible idea.
A diesel is supposed to have hot compressed air and be timed by the start of injection. This is providing fuel and letting it ignite whenever compression is high enough. No control over timing.
Easier way - crack your bleeder, take the fuel return line off somewhere, crack the bleeder and shoot a small amount of compressed air into the tank return fitting with a portable tank and a blow gun, then put your finger over it. Not a lot, just enough that there is a small amount of residual pressure in the tank. Too much and you can rupture the tank. Keep going until steady fuel comes out of the bleeder, then tighten the bleeder and hook the vent back up. If you didn't crank it too much and get air in the injector hard lines it will probably fire instantly.
Terrible idea - your truck, tractor or Bobcat etc never breaks down near an aircompressor - and I can count on one finger how many people carry around an air pig that is full - jumper cables yes - air pigs no
@@carquestions ok.. How many people carry around a 2nd set of pistons and rings for when you crack the lands from letting it preignite.
That don't always work!
Ya - some systems have various bends or valves in the way - but in theory if you can get it past the intake valves .....
@@carquestions I have used it hundreds of times along with pulling, using wd40 and a half a dozen other tricks. But some times you just have to bleed the lines.
nam motors please
please improve your question or write it in your own language and I'll try to get it translated
Have anyone tried on a diesel car?
Yep - it works Oscar
cut the first 1:30 of the video... too much talking and walking... just get the job done
make your own video fool
I thought it was a great video.
I thought the piggies were gonna be more involved.
Wow the vid was literally just over 3 mins
Your wife’s a lucky girl. “Just get the job done...” lmao 😂
If you have air in your system, you have to remove the air. Sometimes you have to bleed it
Yes that's true but once running most systems will bleed air out quickly and high rpm (running helps a lot)