Turbocharging a Lada with a starter motor

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  • @Mauritius200
    @Mauritius200 Před 2 lety +1196

    You could install a microswitch at the throttlebody or below the gas pedal so that the contraption only begins to spin once full throttle is applied. Might hook up an additional fuel pump to the same circuit, that squirts some more gasoline into the intake at the same moment.

    • @francoisfigeac4942
      @francoisfigeac4942 Před 2 lety +88

      Was thinking the same or try different size pulleys to make more rpms at the turbo

    • @livinonlimiter
      @livinonlimiter Před 2 lety +40

      Why does all of this remind me of nitrous lol

    • @francoisfigeac4942
      @francoisfigeac4942 Před 2 lety +8

      lol right but ware is the fun in that. I have a peddle car in my head after they made one. I want to make one just to take my kids to school. Now I'm thinking I could use a starter to help go over bumps or for reverse.

    • @Zantrop64
      @Zantrop64 Před 2 lety +40

      with a potentiometer, they could even tune the boost map very precisely

    • @Athiril
      @Athiril Před 2 lety +8

      I’m actually curious about this kind of thing at lower rpm on cruise control on a highway, seeing if it reduces pumping losses more than the energy it consumes

  • @gabrielv.4358
    @gabrielv.4358 Před 2 lety +632

    Man. I can't get enough about this channel. Every time I open the channel, there is an amazing video. Keep up the amazing work guys! And thanks to BMI for translating too!

    • @Shelboooooo
      @Shelboooooo Před 2 lety +6

      Easily the best automotive channel on CZcams. It is all about theory and execution and is amazing. Great for people troubleshooting automotive ideas as well.

    • @Akshay_Bhavekar
      @Akshay_Bhavekar Před 2 lety +2

      @@Shelboooooo Agree 💯🔥

    • @A_Maggot
      @A_Maggot Před 2 lety +1

      i like their tinkering, but the voice over just annoys me.

    • @engenhokas69
      @engenhokas69 Před 2 lety +2

      @@A_Maggot at the biguinning yes, but o lowerewd the volume a bit and now i got used to the voice, i identify it to the channel, if it changed it'd be weird ahah

    • @Shelboooooo
      @Shelboooooo Před 2 lety

      @@A_Maggot better then no voice over.

  • @superhawk20002
    @superhawk20002 Před 2 lety +87

    Your laughter and the way everyone smiles... is how I can tell how successful your ideas are. I couldn't help but laugh along with you guys. Wish I could drive the car. This was a good one. Thank you.

    • @SaraMorgan-ym6ue
      @SaraMorgan-ym6ue Před 6 měsíci +2

      he converted a turbo charger into a super charger🤣🤣🤣

  • @EvelynnTheBorderCollie
    @EvelynnTheBorderCollie Před rokem +96

    This guy is one of the best mechanics ive ever seen. My father can do this kind of stuff. I have 50% of his genetics. But... Thats not enough to know 50% of what he knows. Its crazy. Wish I could travel and learn from this guy.

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 Před rokem +5

      let's make an electric turbocharger for our car I love it🤣

    • @icyclaw13
      @icyclaw13 Před 5 měsíci +1

      You really think thats his ideas? Hes only doing what people ask todo. He got bunch of mechanics that they do all the work for him.
      If people ask and there is vision of money, they will do it.

    • @SilvaDreams
      @SilvaDreams Před 29 dny

      ​@@raven4k998They are making electric turbos now days.

  • @jessewildman1292
    @jessewildman1292 Před 2 lety +467

    You are definitely top tier professionals.

  • @thebguy5508
    @thebguy5508 Před 2 lety +517

    You should use another smaller internal combustion engine to power the turbine. Like from chainsaw or something like that...

    • @Mastermindyoung14
      @Mastermindyoung14 Před 2 lety +156

      You've invented the leaf blower

    • @jokeletsplay
      @jokeletsplay Před 2 lety +50

      @@Mastermindyoung14have them use a leafblower as a turbo...

    • @rupe53
      @rupe53 Před 2 lety +37

      @@jokeletsplay ... I believe Mythbusters already did that.

    • @Mk3Salty
      @Mk3Salty Před 2 lety +10

      @@rupe53 itsjustasix did that on a tacoma too

    • @Setsuna_Kyoura
      @Setsuna_Kyoura Před 2 lety +13

      @@jokeletsplay Roadkill did it too and it definitely works.

  • @alasdair4161
    @alasdair4161 Před 2 lety +19

    Great video again. For a better motor alternative you should try a brushless inrunner motor and ESC from a scooter. They can sustain more power and RPM than the old shunt wound starter motor (2kW+), and as long as you supply power, the motor will run. Being 0-5V control you can easily modulate the boost, even make a simple feedback circuit
    to regulate the boost value with a pressure sensor, that way it will work like an electronic waste gate with perfect efficiency, and you could slave it to the accelerator pedal... it would make a great ride, you may want to go 24, 36 or 48V to get maximum advantage.
    Cheers.

    • @sirishwark
      @sirishwark Před 2 lety

      Can you please draw a diagram with the components you mentioned?

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 Před 4 měsíci

      They might sustain more continuous current but the intermittent current wont be all that different. Starters routinely pull more than 100a for something like a Lada in summer and probably close to 200a in winter. If you fed this starter 24v it would quadruple the output.

  • @danielhaaf7931
    @danielhaaf7931 Před 2 lety +37

    I made a switched (on/off) supercharger from a Toyota previa, and I found that using the bypass valve was really helpful when driving off-boost. I programmed all of this using an arduino and a stepper motor controller. I'm very willing to share with you.

    • @kd7cwg
      @kd7cwg Před 2 lety +1

      I was thinking you could use the input from the throttle position sensor, along with calculated load value to control how much boost is needed at a specific load/rpm.

    • @JoniK1
      @JoniK1 Před 2 lety +1

      I have mad max style switch in my supercharged punto 😃

    • @Alexander-ol6jh
      @Alexander-ol6jh Před měsícem

      how have you built the supercharger ?

  • @gsp911
    @gsp911 Před 2 lety +125

    13:30 "we could have used a regular supercharger"
    Well, anyone can do that. 😂

  • @simont9984
    @simont9984 Před 2 lety +304

    You should use a treadmill motor. They are strong, run on dc power and can run continuously. You will have to use a voltage step up circuit though so that you can power it off of the 12v car power.

    • @johncoops6897
      @johncoops6897 Před 2 lety +31

      That would be too complicated and expensive. The obvious solution would be a lawn mower engine to run the blower. Or... use a leaf blower!

    • @pflaffik
      @pflaffik Před 2 lety +3

      Need an inverter, and when you’re already on AC motors there are lots of cheap alternatives that still need the expensive inverter.

    • @STAY-GOLD-VINYL
      @STAY-GOLD-VINYL Před 2 lety +3

      @@johncoops6897 really? Lol 😆

    • @LionWithTheLamb
      @LionWithTheLamb Před 2 lety +6

      @@STAY-GOLD-VINYL I've seen it done on Roadkill with the Leaf Blower Monza. They also have a boost caboose episode.

    • @simont9984
      @simont9984 Před 2 lety +2

      @@pflaffik isn't the starter motor he was using DC? The car already has an inverter from AC to DC. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean though about using AC motors?

  • @vmm_repairs
    @vmm_repairs Před 2 lety +5

    What you actually did was a centrifugal supercharger

  • @pauldean8638
    @pauldean8638 Před 29 dny +2

    Go brushless , high rpm makes easier to marry to the turbo . Attach two throttles together at the throttle linkage , you can also separate wether you want boost early or later in rpm by how you join them . Usually a powered charger is ran boosting motors from low rpm , turbo chargers for use in motors at high rpm . Be cool to see it boosting the pipes to oblivion and if you add a little ethanol injector to give it more bang . More air needs more fuel , bigger bang ha ha ha it’ll either work or lift the head without undoing it 😁

  • @brunoseabra8089
    @brunoseabra8089 Před 2 lety +196

    please make a 0-60 mph test with and without the turbo this is just so cool hahaha

    • @Sekir80
      @Sekir80 Před 2 lety +36

      60 mph in a Lada? Aren't you a bit too optimistic? :D

    • @brunoseabra8089
      @brunoseabra8089 Před 2 lety +8

      @@Sekir80 hahaha good one

    • @MyKonaRC
      @MyKonaRC Před 2 lety +24

      @@Sekir80 They said in the video they hit 92km/h in second. 62mp/h is 100km/h. Dont see why you think its not possible.

    • @Sekir80
      @Sekir80 Před 2 lety +20

      @@MyKonaRC It's possible of course. If you have some patience.
      Maybe you don't get my attempt of humor. ;)

    • @MegaSockenschuss
      @MegaSockenschuss Před 2 lety +5

      @@Sekir80 These poor Ladas getting enough torture on this channel, there's really no need to make fun of them too. ^^

  • @jonsnell4751
    @jonsnell4751 Před 2 lety +136

    Bentley Blower comes to mind. Place a switch under the accelerator pedal, when you hit full throttle, the motor starts the turbo. That's how that system worked in the UK, back in 1922.

    • @MiG21aholic
      @MiG21aholic Před 2 lety +27

      The Bentleys had the blower running full time. Mercedes engaged it at full throttle only

    • @mbobelakjr
      @mbobelakjr Před 2 lety

      Hi

    • @MV60
      @MV60 Před 2 lety +4

      Toyota had a clutched supercharger in 1985 that used a pedal switch to engage it too.

    • @ukuleletyke
      @ukuleletyke Před rokem +1

      And the Bentleys had superchargers, rather than turbos. Direct permanent drive from the end of the crankshaft.

    • @tehgerbil
      @tehgerbil Před rokem +1

      @@MiG21aholic awesome username, and giving the facts.

  • @sonicdewd
    @sonicdewd Před rokem +15

    This is an ideal setup to use an alternator as a three phase motor with the associated variable power unit to feed it. This way, the variation of speed of the turbo (by varying the motor) can be varied by different means (accelerator position, vacuum, crank speed, or other ways or even a combination of ways).

    • @bo-dine7971
      @bo-dine7971 Před 10 měsíci

      The reason they used a start motor is that they knew those things are VERY powerful, hence the amazing result. However they obviously pull massive current & will drain the battery quick, there is also a bigger issue which is that starter motors are designed to operate for short amount of time so they have 0 provisions for cooling & even if you drive them at reduced power they overheat REAL quick, that's why he was really hesistant to use it outside of these very short bursts.
      But, for this kind of inneficient setup where you want good power especially for a bit of a joke project they are awesome! It's actually quite genius because it's the most SIMPLE yet powerful bolt-on for when you just want your car to accelerate real quick or something like that.

  • @seanhillebrandt2653
    @seanhillebrandt2653 Před 2 lety +1

    Very subtle, but I hear you loud and clear garage 54, keep doing what you do and keep tipping your cap, winking your eye, or even showing your hand. I stand with you.

  • @WueTownM1
    @WueTownM1 Před 2 lety +180

    you have to add a big butterfly checkvalve or something. So the air doesnt has to be drawn through the turbo if it isnt on.

    • @osbberjen
      @osbberjen Před 2 lety +24

      yeah, the power gain is purely because its a less destriction when its on. doubt is more power than without

    • @Mastermindyoung14
      @Mastermindyoung14 Před 2 lety +11

      I doubt that turbo is a restriction at that power level.

    • @osbberjen
      @osbberjen Před 2 lety +5

      @@Mastermindyoung14 not spinning it surely is. You ever seen a turbine wheel? Its a big restriction.

    • @Mastermindyoung14
      @Mastermindyoung14 Před 2 lety +1

      @@osbberjen not at that power level. Nope

    • @osbberjen
      @osbberjen Před 2 lety +3

      @@Mastermindyoung14 for sure.

  • @josephfbuck
    @josephfbuck Před 2 lety +197

    I would suggest you using a brushless DC motor not a starter motor on alternator that way you can have the very high RPMs

    • @minkusmaz
      @minkusmaz Před 2 lety +6

      Why not just put that motor in the drive train or the serpentine belt?

    • @BruceCarbonLakeriver
      @BruceCarbonLakeriver Před 2 lety +5

      @@minkusmaz I had the same thought I think it is called turbo compressor.

    • @Rudy97
      @Rudy97 Před 2 lety +16

      nonononononono, turob needs 100k+ rpm. Motors don't like to spin that fast and gears add power loss and wear out rly fast. Skip the turbo and get a blower if it needs to be electric.

    • @minkusmaz
      @minkusmaz Před 2 lety +3

      @@BruceCarbonLakeriver Electric motor inline makes it a parallel hybrid ✌️✌️ Compressor is if the motor influences the air intake. There are electric super and turbochargers already

    • @geirkleven3936
      @geirkleven3936 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Rudy97 or a bigger turbo, ex Hx60 or hx80

  • @qwerrrz202
    @qwerrrz202 Před 2 lety +11

    It's so interesting to see what you rig up here. Electric controlled bolt on (well more or less haha) turbo, that does work like it should. Very cool engineering going on.

    • @nikog7133
      @nikog7133 Před 2 lety +2

      There are companies that areaking electric turbo chargers. Not with starter motors of course.

    • @bo-dine7971
      @bo-dine7971 Před 10 měsíci +1

      ​@@nikog7133 This one is actually really powerful, but the reason is that is sucks massive current from the battery, due to the power & the fast overheating this thing can only engage for short amount of time but still it's a cool toy & good for quarter mile.

  • @calvinhobbes7504
    @calvinhobbes7504 Před rokem +2

    I really enjoy your channel, sirs!!! You seem to have a lot of fun doing these projects and it shows. I hope you folks stay well -- and warm -- up there!! Whoever does your translation is so meticulous and detailed. Thanks very much!

  • @dannyruth9925
    @dannyruth9925 Před 2 lety +75

    You could add a switch on the accelerator and a relay so that when you floor it the turbo kicks in automatically.
    I love your website.

    • @tommynobaka
      @tommynobaka Před 2 lety +4

      This would be worth the extra effort. I'm curious to see how this goes if they take it further. Genius engineering really because it's low high tech which make it hilarious

  • @MotherAlgorithm
    @MotherAlgorithm Před 2 lety +39

    I absolutely love this type of engineering

    • @carsandstuff365
      @carsandstuff365 Před 2 lety

      Bodge it style of engineering .. measure by eye .. tack it and your done

    • @MotherAlgorithm
      @MotherAlgorithm Před 2 lety +5

      @@carsandstuff365 the mig welded crankshaft was superb. I just love the style of work that doesn't need CAD programs and specific car brain software's. Fun, practical analogue engineering, getting things done and keeping things working.

  • @LegionGamingTV
    @LegionGamingTV Před 2 lety +3

    I had a smile on my face the whole drive! You guys are awesome!!

  • @jorgefernandez-mv8hu
    @jorgefernandez-mv8hu Před 2 lety +2

    That was pretty cool! I am sure it can be improved a lot. Great to see that it worked.

  • @mydimeisup5103
    @mydimeisup5103 Před 2 lety +19

    9:50 the look when they both don't have their license is priceless

    • @mediocreman2
      @mediocreman2 Před 2 lety +1

      The first guy said he'll pretend he doesn't have it. Probably because he was intimidated by the idea of driving the car.

  • @greenequinox4377
    @greenequinox4377 Před 2 lety +32

    switch the starter motor for a chain saw motor with a centripetal clutch, that would make it scary fast

    • @johncoops6897
      @johncoops6897 Před 2 lety

      Use a leaf blower!

    • @redlight3932
      @redlight3932 Před 2 lety +4

      A motor for your motor sounds good

    • @MrTruckerf
      @MrTruckerf Před 2 lety +2

      Would blow the car engine...and not in a good way.

    • @jvinsnes
      @jvinsnes Před rokem

      with chainsaw engines only pumping 2hp, you wont even get 2hp extra out of your car engine. Anything above 2hp would be physically impossible

  • @bradleylomas7525
    @bradleylomas7525 Před rokem

    I get a kick out of watching your videos. The different things you do to cars. The tests. The different ideas you have. Excellent. All of it is really good. Keep the videos coming.

  • @dizzious
    @dizzious Před 2 lety +1

    I've wanted to see this type of DIY electric turbo for a long time! Awesome video

  • @pader4471
    @pader4471 Před 2 lety +55

    Try using something like a potentiometer and install it on the gas pedal so you dont have to press a button

    • @SkyNines
      @SkyNines Před 2 lety +3

      Came here to say this

  • @tankbg1311
    @tankbg1311 Před 2 lety +11

    "I'm just gonna pretend i don't have a license''
    ''Me neither''-*says while driving the car on a public road*
    XD XD

    • @GhostOfDamned
      @GhostOfDamned Před 2 lety +2

      Typical day in Russia

    • @pflaffik
      @pflaffik Před 2 lety

      You no longer need to bring a physical license in all countries, they will verify the license digitally with a QR code from your cellphone.

    • @MrTruckerf
      @MrTruckerf Před 2 lety

      You need a license in Russia?

    • @tankbg1311
      @tankbg1311 Před 2 lety

      @@MrTruckerf yes,in most countries if not all you need a license to drive

  • @blackman3951
    @blackman3951 Před 2 lety +5

    Use a potentiometer for the signal wires and attach it to the throttle and use a speed controller on the motor and you can set the build up of boost so it increases along with the injectors. I think that’d smooth out the acceleration and you decide how many revs the motor stops at (limit)

  • @petershepherd3892
    @petershepherd3892 Před 2 lety

    Love the show guy's. You guy's always think of something that gives me a good laugh with the crazy antics you all come up with. Keep up the good work.

  • @paulseymour6963
    @paulseymour6963 Před 2 lety +11

    Excellent experiment. The alternator will put more load on the engine unless you use a separate battery. Only then it will be completely separate from the engine. Keep up the excellent vids. Big respect from me here in the UK 🇬🇧

    • @Marc83Aus
      @Marc83Aus Před 2 lety +2

      essentially this a hybrid. the altenator will be drawing a small amount of power more longer to regenerate the battery but when needed the starter will be taking that power back more strongly.

    • @peterparker-fg5kr
      @peterparker-fg5kr Před rokem +1

      the electric motor is not necessary, that assemby should be connected mecanically to the cranckshaft and is called a supercharger.

    • @Max_Chooch
      @Max_Chooch Před rokem

      @@peterparker-fg5kr and that would defeat the purpose of their goal here, which was a standalone apparatus that doesn't directly sap power from that weak ass engine to do its job. MarcAFK is right.

  • @stevearmstrong4561
    @stevearmstrong4561 Před 2 lety +10

    I did the same thing on a Mercedes 240-d and made it spin the tires.My contraption was much smaller as I rigged it to work with the electronic transmission solenoid kick down switch on the accelerator peddle.

    • @exploranator
      @exploranator Před 2 lety

      And what's beautiful is that it can be mounted ANYWHERE.

    • @treeguyable
      @treeguyable Před 2 lety +1

      I was a Mercedes tech, back in the 80s, at a dealer. Loved the old 240 Ds' , reliable as hell, but slow.Glad someone had the moxy, to try and turbo charge one.

  • @harrickvharrick3957
    @harrickvharrick3957 Před 13 hodinami

    A thumb up even for your music playing in the background when you work the metal my Russian friends. I am happy to from time to time see positively minded folks like you

  • @jerryb1234
    @jerryb1234 Před 2 lety

    Great idea guys, that looked like a lot of fun, thanks for sharing.

  • @bumboybandit
    @bumboybandit Před 2 lety +5

    This is gonna be a good one! Thanks Vlad!

  • @josephfbuck
    @josephfbuck Před 2 lety +22

    Back in the 1960s some of the cars that were running at Indianapolis ran electric fan blowers

  • @dennisglodoski6365
    @dennisglodoski6365 Před 2 lety

    Wow that was an awesome build!! You chaps always impress me I give you guys a lot of respect, keep the great content coming 🍻

  • @Driftingkalamari
    @Driftingkalamari Před 2 lety +1

    That was great! Definitely have the system moved to the side and lowered so the hood can go one and hide the system on the next build-up!

  • @paulkocyla1343
    @paulkocyla1343 Před 2 lety +8

    "It´s an easy one. Everything you need is a lathe and someone who can operate it."
    -> If you have that, you can practically build a whole engine 😀

    • @osbberjen
      @osbberjen Před 2 lety +2

      no, you cant make a engine block etc on a lathe

    • @johnkimble8506
      @johnkimble8506 Před 2 lety

      @@osbberjen I built 3 and a table so ...

    • @osbberjen
      @osbberjen Před 2 lety +1

      @@johnkimble8506 3 what?

  • @cliffcorbitt9494
    @cliffcorbitt9494 Před 2 lety +23

    11:27. I believe the way you have the blower set up it's building pressure inside the intake enough at high res to open a valve slightly when it's not supposed to be open. That was probably gas and exhaust mixing and exploding in the exhaust pipe manifold and then exiting out the back

    • @ruikazane5123
      @ruikazane5123 Před 2 lety +8

      Misfiring and detonation at high RPM. Common for boosted or supercharged motors. Needs tighter spark plug gap or more powerful ignition and more timing

    • @dominicthomas4111
      @dominicthomas4111 Před 2 lety +1

      Aka a deadly backfire

    • @frazzledude
      @frazzledude Před 2 lety +3

      @@ruikazane5123 This is a stock engine, so the misfiring and detonation could also be due to valve float.

    • @Kj16V
      @Kj16V Před 2 lety +2

      Nah that turbo won't be building even close to enough pressure to do that. I'd be surprised if it made much than 1psi. More likely to be unburned fuel built up when it hit the rev limiter.

    • @charliebrown238
      @charliebrown238 Před 2 lety +1

      The valve spring is probably around 60lb seat pressure .... there aint no way in hell this thing is opening the intake valve from intake pressure lol

  • @ArcadeDude44
    @ArcadeDude44 Před 2 lety +1

    You guys are awesome, I love the "alternative" (unusual, but ingeniously engineered) content.

  • @Michael_Bradburn
    @Michael_Bradburn Před 2 lety +1

    Anytime i hear anyone say top tier professionals, Garage54 and all of the most kick ass merch on the globe is the first thing i think of for sure.

  • @langam7017
    @langam7017 Před 2 lety +21

    I think the "turbo" isn't increasing power when spinning, but that it's actually just decreasing power while it's not spinning, due to the turbine standing still and restricting airflow.
    What they feel as "more power" is just the motor being not restricted when the turbine is spinning.

    • @johnkimble8506
      @johnkimble8506 Před 2 lety +3

      100%

    • @vasjaxx7863
      @vasjaxx7863 Před 2 lety +5

      Come on man.. i think they know how engine wotked before , without turbo..

    • @xmysef4920
      @xmysef4920 Před 2 lety

      Are you talking about the turbine or compressor wheel?

    • @langam7017
      @langam7017 Před 2 lety

      @@xmysef4920 semantics

    • @ryanevans8559
      @ryanevans8559 Před 2 lety

      Why not simply feel the 'boost' pipes to see if it builts any pressure at all. Highly doubt they are making anything over 1 or 2 psi..

  • @nickblacksoul4318
    @nickblacksoul4318 Před 2 lety +17

    A starter motor is made run for small time ... It's very strong ,your almost at power that an electric turbo needs ,by modifying the starter motor it will last longer And not get hot but you need to put 2 bearings one small fan on the shaft and 2 new motor ends ...not too hard I ones made an electric bike like this 😁

    • @iamtheoffenderofall
      @iamtheoffenderofall Před 2 lety

      Electric wheelchairs use starter motors all the time. Long runs for some

  • @yiannikal5587
    @yiannikal5587 Před 2 lety +1

    I absolutely love your experiments. You guys are great!!

  • @STIGRICAN
    @STIGRICAN Před 9 dny +1

    MAYBE YOU CAN INSTALL A "PEDAL SWITCH", SO IT CAN COME ON AT "W.O.T. AND IT CAN ALSO "SPOOL DOWN" WHEN SHIFTING AFTER LETTING OF THE THROTTLE, OR, YOU CAN POWER SHIFT IT. 💪💪😎😎

  • @miketee2444
    @miketee2444 Před 2 lety +8

    No doubt in my mind that electric turbos will soon be a great option. With advanced Brushless motors and lipo batts it is totally possible to get the super high RPMs required for a turbo to be effective. The trick will be when someone puts together an electronics package that overcomes the issues of properly delivering the electric power and controlling boost.

    • @modelnutty6503
      @modelnutty6503 Před 2 lety +2

      yup, and maybe 1-2 "external" fuel injectors so it doesn't run too lean.

    • @aeroflopper
      @aeroflopper Před 2 lety +3

      my audi s4 had a small electric turbo, they already using them

    • @twoeightythreez
      @twoeightythreez Před 2 lety

      They will be great for helping to spool bigger turbos

    • @ProlificInvention
      @ProlificInvention Před 2 lety +1

      All great points, excellent comment. Allow me to add to the conversation:
      Alternators generally max out at 100-200 watts output, this would be drawing off the cars battery primarily for the required current- For example: Treadmill motor puts out 1/3 hp (©250 watts), a V8 starter motor between 1 to 1.5hp (©750-1250 watts), and a diesel starter motor between 5-7hp (©3750-5250 watts). A turbocharger at full throttle on a small 4 cylinder is recovering about 20hp from the exhaust stream. These electric motors all have various rpm ranges which need to be accounted for in gearing to a mechanical turbo or technically a supercharger, I did the reading so you didn't have to. Basically you need a 20hp or above electric motor, controller, capable batteries, and gearing to achieve 30,000+ rpm to match the boost provided by a stock turbocharger on a 4 cylinder, which is quite cost prohibitive.

    • @teardowndan5364
      @teardowndan5364 Před 2 lety

      @@ProlificInvention Typical car alternators are 80-150A, not watts. The cabin blower alone can be 300+W, battery charging can draw another 300-400W (highest battery charging current I have seen on my car is 35A@14.5V, which is 507W for about a minute after winter cold-start), all of the required running lights on older cars with incandescent bulbs is another 100+W, the fuel and ignition system including sensors and computers is another 100+W, then you have all of the other non-essential accessories. Excluding battery charging which is only a temporary load after startup, that is 500+W required for baseline operation, basic comfort and regulatory compliance.

  • @natedogg1238
    @natedogg1238 Před 2 lety +6

    Absolutely love this,another awesome build! I wonder if it would be possible to put a planetary set in the tensioning pulley and maybe use a more constant drive motor,something designed run longer with less heat being generated.. like a bus electric fan motor or something 😂,also maybe a full throttle switch and arming switch?? Keep up the kick ass builds guys! 👌🏾👍🏾

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 Před rokem

      what was that turbo boost?🤣🤣🤣

  • @danted232
    @danted232 Před 2 lety +2

    This is awesome! You guys need to do more experiments with turbos!!

  • @charliejones7574
    @charliejones7574 Před 7 měsíci

    My friend, some older lawn tractors used a Delco Remy starter/generator.....bearings at both ends.....handy for projects like this

  • @dannykyle7950
    @dannykyle7950 Před 2 lety +3

    I am SO impressed at the level of your team. Some of the best fabricators I've ever seen. Especially considering the limitations of your equipment. Very talented guys.

  • @gafrers
    @gafrers Před 2 lety +6

    Fantastic. So much fun and simple.
    The impeller's shaft won't last long with those sudden stops.

    • @homer5103
      @homer5103 Před 2 lety +1

      Not even remotely true

    • @exploranator
      @exploranator Před 2 lety +1

      But it isn't stopping. It is just not being powered. It has massive mechanical advantage on the starter via the ratios and the actual masses of the pulleys. It's not slamming to a stop each time he turns off the starter motor.

  • @alexdelforge6278
    @alexdelforge6278 Před 2 lety

    Again.. funny as .... thanks guys,. Good to see another project from you guys. Hope you are all save and healthy✌

  • @megadeuz6148
    @megadeuz6148 Před 2 lety +1

    You guys always come up with some wacky ideas on this channel! Some are practical, some are down right out there.

  • @DG_427
    @DG_427 Před 2 lety +5

    I would love to see what difference it makes. If there is no easy access to dyno, they could do drag pulls and see the time difference.

  • @Aleks_Mechanics
    @Aleks_Mechanics Před 2 lety +8

    notification squad, Have a nice weekend!🔥🔥🔥

  • @diwiak
    @diwiak Před 2 lety +1

    Crazy stuff again, and working, respect and thanks 👍

  • @joshuaorourke3290
    @joshuaorourke3290 Před 2 lety

    Seems to spool decent from 4:45. Posted at tjis point. I say same setup. Convert altinator to brushless then use a speed controller to power alt. to spool even faster depending on voltage supplied to com. I love this channel!

  • @karolwojtyla3047
    @karolwojtyla3047 Před 2 lety +6

    Garage54 invented an electricity powered engine compressor.

  • @S.ASmith
    @S.ASmith Před 2 lety +3

    11:30 was an LSPI event. Avoid them and add a dump valve or you will blow up the engine

  • @Doonit_hard_way_since_65

    I really enjoy your ideas. Very creative, very well done, so many thanks

  • @TimZ007
    @TimZ007 Před 2 lety +2

    Run the belt right to the engine. use a AC clutch to cycle the supercharger on or off. Like nitrous. Maybe some scuba tanks for boost also.

  • @ericdeven1296
    @ericdeven1296 Před 2 lety +5

    You need an extra fuel injector that sprays in extra fuel when you push the "power" button

    • @thebaddestogre-3698
      @thebaddestogre-3698 Před 2 lety +1

      A squeeze bottle of fuel taped to the steering wheel with a long hose going into the intake.🤣

    • @laszloszell8753
      @laszloszell8753 Před 2 lety +1

      lada dont have injectors lol

    • @bsadewitz
      @bsadewitz Před rokem

      @@laszloszell8753 😂

  • @JSTheAnonymousOne
    @JSTheAnonymousOne Před 2 lety +5

    In theory, you could cover the outside in heatsinks to help get rid of some of the heat, but I can't imagine it would do enough for stuff that's deeper in the starter. Also, I loved the video and now I want to see more tests with this setup (or similar). I was not expecting these results

  • @Grosmeo
    @Grosmeo Před 2 lety

    The turbo in a Lada? WoW! It works!

  • @KIDZKARTBLDER
    @KIDZKARTBLDER Před 2 lety +1

    Definitely want to see more of this !!!

  • @Mr371312
    @Mr371312 Před 2 lety +5

    Probably need to inject extra fuel when activated.

  • @marcthelegend1
    @marcthelegend1 Před 2 lety +5

    I feel you're getting good results because when it isn't turned on, it's massively restricting airflow and hurting 'stock' performance.. a regular turbo will spin slowly at idle, this being connected to a pulley doesn't turn at all.
    I'd love to see a boost gauge to see what kind of boost is being generated.

    • @peterwhittle522
      @peterwhittle522 Před 2 lety +2

      I'm sure they know how a stock lada drives from the back of their hand

    • @petelattimer6808
      @petelattimer6808 Před 2 lety +1

      hurting stock performance? on a LADA????? good luck with that! i drove a few in the UK when they weere sold here and gutless was probably the nicest way to describe the performance.

  • @mick00000000002
    @mick00000000002 Před 12 dny

    So 24v stater .with correct pullis. Planty of tourqe.
    Ad secound battery please
    More should be done on this idea. Love your channel. God bless. Mick Australia 🇦🇺 ❤️

  • @belphedor
    @belphedor Před 11 měsíci

    Bonjour,
    C'est chouette d'avoir des résultats agréables ! 👍
    Ça montre que le calcul de la démultiplication entre le démarreur et la turbine sont bons.
    Le principal intérêt de ce montage par rapport au turbo conventionnel réside dans le fait de pouvoir le commander quand on veut.
    L'inconvénient est que le démarreur demande beaucoup d'énergie électrique que l'on devra fournir à la batterie par le biais de l'alternateur qui lui sera demandeur d'énergie sur la courroie, alors que le turbo classique récupère principalement une énergie perdue à l'échappement sans vraiment freiner les gaz, lesquels se retrouvent encore plus puissants lorsque le turbo pousse.
    Ensuite, le démarreur n'est pas conçu pour tourner longtemps et son rendement n'est probablement pas optimum, puis il aurait besoin d'être refroidi.
    Super expérience encore un coup, continuez je continue à regarder 😆👍bravo !
    Belphégor,😉

  • @trm4life
    @trm4life Před 2 lety +3

    Well, I know what MY next upgrade is going to be. No exhaust modification necessary!

  • @harshalsao
    @harshalsao Před 2 lety +4

    next time install a NOS 🙏

  • @nicka9103
    @nicka9103 Před 2 lety

    I love this channel! Thanks for the great videos. I think the mass airflow sensor should be before the turbo, not after it. That way it will accurately read the amount of air the turbo is pulling in.

  • @rokahna7847
    @rokahna7847 Před 2 lety

    The welder in the shopping trolley, priceless. Liking the vid just for this amongst everything else.

  • @josephfbuck
    @josephfbuck Před 2 lety +4

    The whole reason I suggested a brushless motor was so that you could run the turbine fan flat out because a starter motor the brushes can't handle that much RPMs and there's fist-sized brushless motors that turn over 60,000 RPMs

    • @genehunsinger3981
      @genehunsinger3981 Před 2 lety +1

      sounds reasonable to me.More reliable also.

    • @arva1kes
      @arva1kes Před 2 lety +1

      starter will not run 60000 anyways. most of these smaller turbos run 30-40k.They have two multiplying pulley sets so starter actually runs around 10-15x slower than turbo.

    • @emanuelgoncalvessantos4499
      @emanuelgoncalvessantos4499 Před 2 lety

      That's why they're using pulleys. Now you know any BLDS with more than 1,5kw as a starter have?

    • @arva1kes
      @arva1kes Před 2 lety

      @@emanuelgoncalvessantos4499 you can't say "thats why" if i just said thats why :D joseph said that burshless wont run 60k , but smaller boost turbos event don't run 60k and they are using multiplication so it's not needed for brushless to run 60k. that was my point. I understand very well that they have low speed, high torque motor hence pulley system.

    • @arva1kes
      @arva1kes Před rokem

      @@emanuelgoncalvessantos4499 yes 3kw+ . czcams.com/video/O1AjzwfIYgc/video.html

  • @cliftonmassey3143
    @cliftonmassey3143 Před 2 lety +3

    I think using a 3 hp muti-speed wood router powered by a inverter would work much better then a starter motor.

    • @ProlificInvention
      @ProlificInvention Před 2 lety

      Treadmill motor puts out 1/3 hp, a V8 starter motor between 1 to 1.5hp, and a diesel starter motor between 5-7hp. A turbocharger at full throttle on a small 4 cylinder is recovering about 20hp from the exhaust stream. These electric motors all have various rpm ranges which need to be accounted for in gearing to a mechanical turbo or technically a supercharger, I did the reading so you didn't have to.

  • @friguy4444
    @friguy4444 Před 2 lety

    I know there's a few electric Superchargers that are sold. One's named "TorqueAmp" they use a lot more voltage (48V) and they use a drill motor or some type of high power electric brush less motor to drive it. They usually make around 5 to 8 Lbs of boost. Maybe some of those types of ideas might work here? Hard to say but this is a fun one that's for sure! LOL.

  • @derryjones1029
    @derryjones1029 Před rokem

    You boys are brilliant on the tools I love the way u fabricate and fetal bits a pieces I find it brilliant to watch 👍👍

  • @florpdorp7190
    @florpdorp7190 Před 2 lety +3

    Make a cooling system for the starter motor by splicing off of the radiator

  • @nickmudd
    @nickmudd Před 2 lety +3

    I'd like to see a supercharger turned by a belt attached to an axle. MORE SPEED = MORE BOOST

    • @bertall1ca
      @bertall1ca Před 2 lety +1

      LOL. That might be possible with a front wheel drive car.

  • @MIK33EY
    @MIK33EY Před 2 lety

    Can’t help noticing the subtle blue and yellow acknowledgement. 👍🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼

  • @tannerhouston9595
    @tannerhouston9595 Před rokem

    Hey guys, great episode! Perhaps a truck starter motor would be more robust, however quite heavy. I really hope you continue to refine this as I do believe it’s viable!!

  • @Stormas3000
    @Stormas3000 Před 2 lety +4

    Make it with a clutch wheel so that it continues to spin when you turn off the starter motor.

  • @jeeper426
    @jeeper426 Před 2 lety +3

    i'd be curious to see this on a dyno to see what the actual output is N/A and e-turbo, thats pretty cool all the same

  • @Simbacu
    @Simbacu Před 2 lety

    Of course being a Lada engine it will take it no problem whatsoever it's very happy doing that it sounds very smooth

  • @proller14
    @proller14 Před 2 lety +2

    Well, a turbocharger should have lubrication with oil, so that would be a nice addition. If it needs to be a separate system (from the engine itself) then add an oil reservior, and pump for it. You can tune the spin rate of the turbo, based on the revs. I'm not sure about the way the revs are shown on the dash in the old Ladas, but as soon as you have any reading, you can convert that interval and map to a controller that controls the spin of the turbocharger. Just quick tips :) Contact me if any help needed with the electronic part of the stuff! Tho' I'm sure you can figure it out! :D

  • @joshuagibson2520
    @joshuagibson2520 Před 2 lety +7

    The Russian folks are good people.
    I can't say the same of their leaders.

    • @Artist1974CH
      @Artist1974CH Před 2 lety

      If you are from US, UK, or EU, all your leaders are total corrupt bastards!

    • @swrzesinski
      @swrzesinski Před 2 lety

      WTF, over 50% rASSians supports war in Ukraine. They have a brain, don't they?

    • @BadChad52
      @BadChad52 Před měsícem +1

      I suppose you think zelensky isn't a nazi also 😂.

  • @adriancarter825
    @adriancarter825 Před 2 lety

    Love this channel always something new and crazy, watching from 🇬🇧 uk

  • @MisterDearly
    @MisterDearly Před 6 měsíci

    This is awesome. I think this is closer to a supercharger. Both use an engine rather than exhaust gasses to create boost.

  • @FinflazodeTurroai
    @FinflazodeTurroai Před 2 lety

    Of course it works, why not?. I love making workable things out of scrap junk. Done planes, motorcycles, cars... I reckon you have the same tendency to re-use junk , preferably in unexpected ways. But I do it mostly to use it, you do it for the hell of it. KUDOS !!!

  • @ProlificInvention
    @ProlificInvention Před 2 lety

    Treadmill motor puts out 1/3 hp, a V8 starter motor between 1 to 1.5hp, and a diesel starter motor between 5-7hp. A turbocharger at full throttle on a small 4 cylinder is recovering about 20hp from the exhaust stream. These electric motors all have various rpm ranges which need to be accounted for in gearing to a mechanical turbo or technically a supercharger, I did the reading so you didn't have to.

  • @byronnelson1556
    @byronnelson1556 Před 2 lety

    Nice project. Assume that the turbo daws through the carb. Now add dual carbs. Then make ne more speed up on the drive. Say2 to one just like you have. Add to existing drive. Also migh have to add second stater motor with more over rive ratio. You are one of the first to really do this with powe gain.

  • @adyhaus
    @adyhaus Před 2 lety +1

    This is amazing, please tune it. Make more videos with this system please.

  • @notme8121
    @notme8121 Před 2 lety

    I love it, it's a lot more work than just the exhaust driven turbo but it was a fun experiment. I just don't think the starter motor is meant to run more than a few seconds at a time but if you find a way to cool it somehow it may last

  • @midestinoelmundo
    @midestinoelmundo Před 2 lety +1

    The best proyect!!
    We need version 2.0 😎👍👍👍👍👍

  • @user-zy3jw3oh9b
    @user-zy3jw3oh9b Před 9 měsíci

    Solid!
    Top KEK!
    Peace be with you.

  • @patrickbrady447
    @patrickbrady447 Před 2 lety

    I often wondered about putting a srartor motor on a turbo and you guys have done it. Well done. I thought about using a reduction gear startor direct without the gears for extra speed. Here again you seem to have worked this all out. You did not talk about this but it looks like you researched the required speed before making the gears. Well done.

    • @raven4k998
      @raven4k998 Před rokem

      yeah, they show us how effective that one is to put into use

  • @MuhammadSaudSiddiqui
    @MuhammadSaudSiddiqui Před rokem

    it still needs better tuning , the smoke that came out of the exhaust is called detonation ,it is when your air/fuel mixture ignites before the spark. you could use a fuel regulator to get more fuel in the mixture which will enhance the power since it wouldn't run lean anymore and fuel regulators are cheap as well.