Stealth Vs Hypersonic | F-22 Raptor Vs 2x Mig-31 Foxhound | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Happy American Thanksgiving GS. More BVR sir!
Please fly The F-15EX with AIM-260 JATM's VS The MIG-31 with R-37M's!
Please fly The F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS The Gripen with IRIS-T's!
Please fly The F-4 Phantom VS The* A-4 Skyhawk guns only!
Please fly The Rafale VS The Typhoon guns only!🙏👍
Wondering if the mig 25 having the weaker airframe of the mig 31 is speed limited at lower altitude in DCS like the real jet. They both both seem to have the same 2.8 Mach limit as the engines burn up if pushed higher than that. Can they get that fast in DCS?
This would have been a good candidate for a tac veiw.
Would’ve loved to see exterior shots of the near misses like you did on the Gripen v Felon video some time ago. That first missile can’t have missed by a margin of more than a milk jug.
With ya on that!
Agreed. It looked like the back fins of that missile scraped a new scratch into the paint.
How a modern missile can fail to see an object filling like 90% of its view is a mystery to me.
My interpretation is this: RWR is sounding at the time, therefore it was pinging the aircraft before impact. It’s aiming for center of mass, and the closer it gets, the less it’s trying to lead that center of mass. But GS turning into it at the last possible moment tilts that center of mass parallel with the missile while it’s pretty much already alongside; essentially, from the missile’s POV, the centre of mass it should be aiming for suddenly becomes the nosecone it effectively already missed. Therefore, it misses by a hair’s breadth, since it obviously can’t turn 90 degrees in midair. Had he made that turn a split-second earlier or later, I’m sure he would’ve been reduced to atoms.
TL;DR: Imo the miss is not because the missile can’t see him (it evidently is seeing him), the reason for the miss was a last-ditch acrobatic manoeuvre that just about worked.
anything but the metric system XD
@@LW0001 So if I'm understanding you correctly, basically GS didn't actually dodge the missile by moving the whole aircraft out of the way, he essentially just moved the center of mass around the missile like an agent in The Matrix? That's WILD.
This map has some incredible landscapes. Feel free to use it more often :)
I play DCS mostly for enjoying the view actually(I suck at combat)
How does mig 31 even see the raptor? Isn't migs radar inferior + raptor's stealthy low RCS a clear and easy win for the f22 even before the mig sees the raptor?
@@lazarv7015 The F-22's stealth is pushing 30 years old now (at least the airframe's shape, dunno about other stealth tech on that plane). I'd bet an F-35 would have an easier time getting close to a MiG-31.
@@lazarv7015I mean it's not like it's accurate whoever made the models obviously doesn't know the specs of the F-22 and what it can do
The newest version of the R-37 has folding fins so it can fit in the Felon.
That model is Izdeliye 810 or RVV-BD. But that is still under development and not even a prototype was fired form Su-57 till date.
@@123SuryasisWon’t be long though, I’m sure they’re working hard on it.
@@JesusFriedChrist Most of the reports suggesting that the development has been halted due to budget and shortage of Solid state Electronics required to make the missile smaller. The main reason is the seeker Agat 9B-1388. You have to understand, unlike medium range missiles with 100-120 km range like 120C which has a range of 20-25 km for its own radar, for a 300km-400km missile, you need more range from the missile seeker (Otherwise the Aircraft needs to guide it for a very long time making it susseptable to enmey missiles). Because of that, Agat 9B-1388.has a range of over 50 km against Fighter sized targets but due to Russia's lack of expertices in Electronics, it also has a very big size and weights nearly 50 kg. Due to Western sanctions on Electronics Import and finiancial crisis, the planned sekker upgrade with smaller size and less weight, has not been materialized yet.
@@123Suryasissource it was revealed to me in a dream
Those missiles were so close... insane
But stealth is stealth
The fact that he's the RCS of a golf ball probably helped.
And that's the unclassified stuff. Russians tend to have a thing for overestimating their abilities to increase sales
The US underestimate them on purpose, since they're not selling.
@@RazorsharpLTimagine a 30+ year old aircraft locking on to a golf ball from 50 miles away - and actually getting tracked. You gotta admit that’s pretty precise and accurate for a Soviet Era interceptor
@sujitbala1492 except DCS is not an accurate representation of the F22s stealth and or capabilities. It is simply a rough representation.
@@ahumblegamer4644 As all aircraft. We use public information regarding every plane used in DCS. Most of these BVR fights are only won because we only know a fraction of their capabilities.
@@sujitbala1492 Agreed, but 4th gen fighters are the most known out of all aircraft. 5th gens are still mostly classified when it comes to details.
13:20 is probably the closest save i've ever seen you do, well done
That wasn't a save. That was an act of God. 😂
That's gotta be the most unique airfield runway ever. This map has some beautiful landscaping and scenary to it. Also seeing missiles streaking towards you like that has to be the scariest thing ever.
Imagine of that missle also had a IR sensor for terminal guidance. Scary stuff.
Some do apparently
Now imagine if a missile with a seeker that tracks the extreme decibels produced by jet engines
Rather than “listen” for harmonics, it should “watch” on its radar for low frequency objects at speed.
A lot of the western modern missiles have 3 independent sensor. Some even have 4. A high resolution IR decoder is usually one of those. Those can identity flairs and ignore them
Typicallt radar, radio homing IR and Link homing.
@@matsv201 No air to air missile has more than one sensors. And for Radar, radio homing and datalink tracking, you really need one sensor which can be programmed to use those modes.
Those missles had a pucker factor of 11.
Pucker factor 100! Some close calls there boss!
Would love to see MiG 31 vs F-35 BVR
Over a 1000 km of Airspace, not miles, by placing 4 Mig-31s 200 km apart from each other. Their integrated Data-Link continiously share information from each aircraft to other three in the group and each of them can see the overall spectrum of the airspace, combined information of all 4. That enables one Mig-31 to lock and lauch missile to a target detected by any other Mig-31 in the group. This also enables them to create very difficult situation for the enmy aircrafts where one Mig-31 can close the Gap with high Mach speed to increase probability of Kill, launch the missile and run away, making it difficult for the enemy to engage i, and the lauched Missile still can be guided by another Mig-31 behind the missile range of the enemy aircrafts.
Hard to do that when the Raptor kills them all before the fight starts!
@@TexasPatriot79 Care to explain how? rator may detect a Mig-31 long before mig can do that but currently it does not have a missile to do the killing.
Ok - but what’s a km in real units?
@@123Suryasis The internet says: The latest iteration of the AMRAAM, known as the AIM-12D, has a range of at least 87 nautical miles, which translates to about 100 miles, or 161 kilometers.
@@MJHdesproj km stands for Kilometers, most accepted one for distance, apart from US.
This was more one sided and brutal than the F-15 vs MiG-31 BVR video you made a little bit ago. 😂 Loved this video a lot GS. 🐐
i love that vertical take off, gotta love the raptor
Probably one of the most impressive videos you've made in awhile, loved it. Awesome preformance from the F-22 and almost as much so from the Mig-31.
The MiG-31 looks a lot like the MiG-25, which is an interceptor and not a dogfighter. I wonder if the MiG-31 is an interceptor too.
@@mkay1957 it is as it was to be a replacement for the MiG 25
The migs are fantastic, the only thing that saved the f22 was some reaction time bordering on superhuman. As far as the f22 goes it is the best fighter america was able to produce and a fine aircraft, unfortunately Australia did not get them even though we wanted them. Unfortunately we went with the f35, probable the worst military spend in Australia's history.
@@BenWilliams-jj8hc The missiles need better guidance systems. In each case the it should have been a kill but the actually guidance package on the missiles could not find the targets up close. Not sure if that is a RL flaw or a flaw in how the missiles are programed for the simulation.
@@whitelabrat
I think this fight would be fun to try again, but from the MiG-31's perspective.
That shot of a lone F-22 from afar in the Sky with the trail heading down looks beautiful 😮😮.
F22: “would you intercept me? I’d intercept me.”
🎶Goodbye horses 🎶
Mig-31’s are so freaking cool. Kinda the last of the pure interceptor.
I like the constant insight about what's happening! It completes so well the viewer experience! Thank you so much! You've won a new sub!
I would love to see mir of the Mig 31 in the future
Hi GS, you've given me like 3 heart attacks man!
Anyway, I finally bought a new laptop so I can watch your videos in full 4k on my 55" TV but I can't really say I see more details than on the 1080p. You talk about the compression in your videos sometimes, and it's true.
Yessss 4K is the best resolution for watching DCS it helps to compensate a little for the CZcams compression. Anyway hope you’re enjoying ur new laptop and thanks for watching. Much love.
I would love a rematch against the Eagle with 260's against the Foxhound with hypersonics. iirc, the Eagle lost to the Foxhound despite being able to see each other at around the same time because it was unable to engage it with the 120D, I think the 260 should be able to close the gap considerably .
260 isn’t a real missile but I see your point
@@chesterhiggenswe do have a few ideas about what its capabilities will be similar to how we don’t actually know how the hypersonics will act so some people have made more for dcs that guess what the 260 does
@@chesterhiggensit’s entering IOC before the end of the year, it pretty much is and has been for a little while. we’re not gonna know much about it for a long time after that though.
@@chesterhiggensuh its been in use and training for a while.... certainly is real
Always so good! Thanks so much for all your hard work GS!
Pushing a raptor and almost hitting it 2 to 3 times... You gotta respect the Foxhound with those R37Ms. All the more reason to get the AIM-260 missiles going
Damn that was close. I would love to see you fly the mig 31 in a rematch...you always make things more interesting lol
Great Fight! And you are not the only one scared when you see those missiles coming in. But another amazing Piloting Skill...
Great video! I always enjoy watching these, keep up the great work!
Watching this gave me acid reflux 😂 Never too much spice though. Thanks GS for the upload man!
I love this matchup. The Mig-31 has always been scary. Any aircraft that can intercept the SR-71 earns respect.
It can only intercept it within perfect conditions and knowing beforehand where it will be
@@johncongdon7398and don’t forget destroying its engines lol
@@johncongdon7398 ...but it can intercept a Blackbird. A Blackbird.
@sana-cm7oc Only if the Blackbird pilot is either incapacitated or the flight path has been given to the Russians before the mission was flown.
@@johncongdon7398 You need to learn more history, take a deep breath and have a cookie.
Love the content!! Would love to see an F35 vs AV-8B. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
That would be a very one-sided fight.
I would love to see F-35C vs J-20 two of the most produced 5th gen fighters. Which both warplane meant close against each other.
@@EvoraGT430against which side?
@@MiG-31893BVR's obvious, WVR's potentially interesting because the Harrier has good accel thanks to its weight and higher bypass engine but as I've heard from someone who's flown both it's going to be uphill for the Harrier, especially if the F-35 stays higher where it has more of a power advantage.
The F-35B (Marine version with VTOL) versus the AV8B?.
I personally think the mig 31 is a really cool aircraft / that thing is very scary in BVR
Regarding Russian claims at seeing/tracking stealth aircraft, sure, they may be able to see that there is an F35 or F22 in the air, that's not too hard for military radars, but getting a weapon to lock onto one all the way to a kill is vastly different. Also, DEFINITELY should be taking any claims from the Russian government with the NY annual road salt allotment.
Same goes for American hardware.
GS: "It's probably not going to get any spicier than that."
Mig Pilot: "Hold my vodka and vatch dis."
I'm guessing triangulation radar is how they "see" the F22.
Dude.... everything about this is crazy good ! Playing peekaboo with missiles. Outstanding fun, yeah ?
GS absolutely killing it with the great content again. You upload rate is amazing man.
What a dogfight and that first hyper sonic you dodged my hats off to you !
Can you do this same fight but with you in the MiG-31 Foxhound? I want to see how good of a pilot you really really are 🔥
"Would you intercept me, Id intercept me"
13:17 listening to the next couple of minutes at 1/4 speed is hilarious.
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The f22 has a radar signature of a bumble bee, so I'm sure the Russians can figure out that any bumble bee going mach 1.2 is probably a target.
Its a bumble bee to some radars but the weapon radars need a better signature to get good locks
That F-22 raptor take-off was as authentic as it gets! Thank you GS for all the amazing content you put out for us!
hanks so much for all your hard work GS
I think I can somewhat understand how that F-16 pilot felt dodged all of those missiles now 😱😅
Hey GS, I know this will sound juvenile but I really like the contest between the US and Russian/ Chinese adversaries. I root for you even if you don't prevail, you are like our American hero. Odd, Huh? It's reassuring considering the state of the world today. Well, thanks for your channel. It's great fun to watch.
Is there a version of the YF-23? And if so, would you consider flying some missions? Love your channel
I agree!
Love the take off, great work man! Love your videos!!!!! And of course love the F22!!!!!!!!
Both times with those near misses of the missiles, you are in the notch. However you yawed the plane which allowed the missile to see you easier by giving a larger radar signature.
I’m not a pilot, but the show is absolutely fascinating. I love hearing experienced people size up strengths and weaknesses.👍🏻
Thank you GS for all the hard work you put in your videos! Amazing stuff, really tremendous quality.
Would it be possible to do videos where you go through the monitors of different aircrafts? When yiu say stuff like "The other bandit is pushing me and the another's breaking off", it would be nice to know where you see this.
I (like I suspect many of us) are watching these videos from a cell phone with small screens so it's impossible to see all the monitors/radars. It's nice when you somtimes pause the video, zoom in and show what you are watching/meaning.
If you could dedicate few videos going through all the data you are able to read from the monitors/radars, that would be appreciated.
Thanks again, GS! Cheers from Finland
I can’t get enough F22 vids!
13:22 Best shot ever on a DCS video😂
I was literally watching your last F-22 vs MiG-31 video before you posted this 😅
Over the last few weeks I have been enjoying your F-22 Videos. If you made a series with a fictional connected campaign, I would be at the forefront... better than cinema. A new fan.
That missile scene was so cool lol
Good stuff, crazy close calls there
Since the missle is tracking your trajectory as you go into the notch, wouldn't you want to change altitude or speed once hidden in the notch so the missle can't predict where you will be? A lot of the time it seems like you're just flying in a straight line once in notch.
Love the videos! I've seen every one for the last year+ now
I think he is limiting the area exposed for the missile to hit, a smaller side (edge-on profile) serves as a smaller target (his stealth may also help, maybe the edge on cross-section is favourable.) the distant phase where the missile is turning and angling is important to do as you said but in the final phase for a very high speed hypersonic missiles, a last minute flick could do the trick I think, too early and you risk a big surface for contact., that's why after a few hard turns he maintains a relatively straight direction (idk if I am making sense, im just guessing :P, correct me pls, so I can understand it better too)
Older missiles didn't do that, so depending on which version of missile he was defending against it's possible that there was no need to change anything.
Huh, you know what? An Eurofighter vs MiG-31 fight would be lovely.
Battle of Archers!
As Linecrosser says, "I'd intercept me"
It's the speed and big sniffer in the nose of the Foxhound that makes it so dangerous.
A missile is only as good as the track you give it...
"I'd intercept me" 🥵
Finally :D Been asking for this fight for a long time
😄
You know, I can't recall ever seeing you in the cockpit of a MiG-31. Is there a reason? Would love to see the interceptor get some love on your end.
Great video! I had to watch it TWICE!
What’s the raptor having for lunch today? Oh looks like a couple migs as a nice light snack
That was some awesome pucker time. . Many thanks . .🚀 🚀
It still seems like radar missle seekers cannot see the F22 at all in DCS... I mean how close do they have to get?
That makes sense, the radar is much smaller than a plane's (and it is disposable).
@@thedausthed I'd like to see some testing. Otherwise, these BVR fights make little sense if you can't hit the F22 with a Fox 3...
Dude WTF! That was some amazing Flying!
13:27 even your camera person was shaking with adrenaline
Impressive as always. Great fight indeed.
Can you try out my theory about the hypersonics? By laws of this thing called physics the faster it travels the less maneuverable it is, because inertia can't let it turn. So you should defeat it no problem when it's close simply by changing altitude at the last moment. Try it with something other than f-22, so we know it sees you. I think those hypersonics were meant for awacses and ground targets, they shouldn't be a threat to fighter jets.
The Raptor will live on forever in DCS and that makes me happy
When there is a spy plane in the base
Mig-31: *gasp* SPY! **Goes crazy**
Today is my second annual GrowlingSidewinder Thanksgiving Marathon, while I cook.
Its not the plane, it's the pilot
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Your editing skills are second to none.
Just to give a sense of scale, a MIG-31 is roughly the same length as a WW2 B-17 bomber. It's 11 feet longer than an F-14 Tomcat or F-15 Eagle. The Mig-31 has a heavier max takeoff weight than the B-17.
It's a big ass plane!
Ah yes, your best videos are the terrifying ones
You would feel so cheated if you were the pilot that fired that first missile! 😂
I’d hate to be in a jet and hear “RAPTOR ON THE LOOSE” id just eject immediately
So glad to see another F-22 upload, especially on Thanksgiving eve! F-22 is the best fighter, and the Raptor vids are always the best!
Not battle proven
@@user-yo7ps2io8c It took down the Chinese spy balloon!
@@robertallison9653 w0w very dangerous
@@user-yo7ps2io8c I believe the Raptors were in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
@@robertallison9653 I believe libya, iraq and afghanistan have great air defence
One of the best fights I have seen!!!!
Thanks for another great video friend!
Just want to say im getting into DCS soon after watching your videos the past couple years. Will be holding off any thanks until after i see how much im going to drop on my entire set-up🤣
I’d recommend the thrustmaster t16000m as a starter setup. Isn’t too pricy and even though it’s just the stick, it can be twisted and so can be used as a rudder and has a miniature throttle built in.
Ngl i would've loved to see a tac debrief of this fight. Great stuff as usual though!
The mig 31 is designed to shoot you down and run home before you get in range. Assuming your not in a stealth fighter.
They can outrun anything short of a blackbird, and have the most powerful radar fitred on an interceptor. Notice I say powerful, not necessarily the most advanced.
13:21 "the carolina reaper is the spiciest pepper."
15:00 "Pepper X wants to know your location"
13:20 How did that miss you? 😭😭😭 lol 😂
It's honestly incredible how dangerous the MiG-31 is to the F-22.
I didn’t hear you get clearance for that unrestricted climb!
"we say very similar things about the f-15" yeah except the bit about not being able to dogfight 😅
Correct lol I meant the not wanting to merge if they can help it but ya the f15 can actually dogfight if it merges.
@@GrowlingSidewinderwell, F15E vs Mig31 😏
The fact that the F22 id the only plane with tinted windows - so cool
We need a ( current dcs versions), flyable foxbat or foxhound- they are the most dangerous, but not just due to r33/r37, but their Mach 3 speed
Doing glancing attacks at top speed, no AMRAAM will catch one evading at full speed
Why does the AMRAAM bend its trajectory a little when it drops from the bay? Is it because you're firing it while pulling G or just an AMRAAM thing lol
Wdym by bend?
The range here was 23 miles for the first launch, and the missile calculated is Its trajectory in a way it didn't need to loft, even tho GS have it a nose up aspect to loft
@@a.anonymous1318 Ooooh! Damn I'm kinda ashamed I didn't think of that sooner 💀 thanks for the explanation!
GS is one of the few CZcamsrs that actually respect other countries military tech, most CZcamsrs just go straight ahead to condemn what other countries have to offer. In my opinion when u think like that u become intellectually limited
I saw a 4th F22 in a different hangar... haha
I don't know, but GS might have Thanksgiving dinner with butt cramps from clenching his cheeks on today's mission. 😄
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I hope you all can splash some🦃
That was a fucking close call bro.😮
I just luv the Raptor :) Thanks GS!