COBRA F9 ONE LENGTH IRONS
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- COBRA F9 ONE LENGTH IRONS
COBRA F9 ONE LENGTH IRONS reviewed and tested by Mark Crossfield, Coach Lockey and Dan Hendriksen at Torquay golf club. See what these golf clubs could do for your golf game. See if the one length idea from Cobra Golf could help you hit more greens and lower your golf scores.
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One length clubs are the only clubs that I will play with ever again. I will admit that you have to get used to the length at first if you have been playing a traditional set for a long time but after a week on the range, you don't think twice about the length of the gap wedge or 4 iron. The technology works! For me, the biggest aspect of the one length irons is the consistency. I can have one ball position and one swing for all the irons. I can take one club out of my bag and just practice with that club and the same swing will correlate over to the rest of the irons.
JRock4572001 Yup! There’s a reason people have tried to figure this out several times before now, and now with technology Bryson nailed it! I no longer need 13 different swings, just 3.
I love these! Just bought some used today and getting into golf more and this one length helped me a ton already
As I said before this new avenue on club reviews with you and the boys is fantastic, very organic and genuine. Folks will be SO MUCH more informed from this style as opposed to 40 hits and 10 revolutions. Keep it up bruh.
Been playing Tom wishons single lengths 5-lw for 3 years now. Play off a +3 handicap. Was playing titleist MB’s for 5 years before switching. I absolutely love them. Shot making has gotten easier because ball position is the same with every club. Ironically my biggest concern was the longer length wedges but my wedge game has actually been the biggest improvement. I’m much more comfortable over the ball with the longer club. Chips and pitches were easier. I don’t have to bend over so much at the waist so can control low point much easier. Biggest issue for me was looks. Compared to MB’s they are chunky. But maybe 2 buckets of balls and I was over the mental block. Probably not for everyone but worth trying. If you need to take some spin off it’s easy to choke up on the wedges. Don’t really have issues with fliers that I didn’t face with the MB’s too. If i catch a bad lie I might get a flier in I just take more loft no big deal. Definitely work for the better players as well as high handicap.
I couldn't agree more! I was initially interested in them for the shorter long irons, but the wedges stole the show.
Interesting. I recently watched the crossfield vid when he tested the original cobra one lengths on course. And if I’m not mistaken he said he was close to putting them in the bag. Not sure what’s changed from then until now? Guess he wasn’t sponsored by titleist back then.
I went to one length last year and my game improved alot! I'm a big fan!
walton market haha yeah I think golf is an extremely traditionalist sport and anything unusual or different typically gets crucified. I mean Bryson is winning a lot lately but people still critique the kid because he’s so different. They only want tiger woods like swings to be successful.
I have a set of the Sterlings. Best club I have hit. Would recommend to anyone.
I'm no scratch golfer so I look at the golf world differently. I saw an instant gain in dispersion and ability to put the ball on target. With the "shorter" irons they tend to be longer but with more spin. And with the "longer" irons they won't carry as long and run a bit more. After I learned the gaps and capabilities of the clubs my enjoyment of the game has vastly improved.
Best review to date. Concept rather than brand, design over marketing guff. Conversation about the ‘truth’ that we all purchase when chasing the dreams fed to us in the marketing.
The biggest problem with the reviews of one lengths is that they are done by people who have used variable length for all of their golfing life , are already good ball strikers and are bias to any kind of change. I'm sure alot of people thought mallet putters where a gimic when they first came out too. I understand they're not for everyone but people who struggle with contact should at least give them a go and stop listening to scratch markers saying I don't like them so neither should you.
That is very true. I've been playing for about a year. I started with a top flite starter set. And just this last holiday season I wanted a premium set so I went with the F8 one length and I love them. And I am seeing game improvement.
I be been playing on and off since I was 5, so 31 years now, with my breaks no longer than 2 years and due to other sports injuries including shoulder reconstruction. I have the F7 forged and they are fantastic, and I know many low handicappers and a guy who has shot scratch golf for a decade who also love them. A few of these low handicappers changes the blue grips because so many chaps at their clubs etc talked so much smack about the 1 lengths they simply didn’t want to deal with all the prattling on by golfers that shoot higher scores than them. Most reviews I’ve seen of these are done by golf snobs (IMO) who go in looking to refute and discount the benefits of this system, then trial/demo the clubs on video not using the clubs as they’re intended thus yielding less than ideal results and then claiming that its proof they are poor clubs. If I use a Lexus in an off-roading competition or a Jeep in an F1 race and then use the poor outcome to state the vehicle is shit, I haven’t really proven or disproven anything have I?
True. I've been playing golf for 50 + years. Never got below a 6 hc and now about a 10 at 65 y/o's. I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on 7i thru gap. I play hybrids now and hit them well so no desire to learn how to hit short length one's. And plan to keep normal length in a 52* and 56* as I can see how long shafts would be uncomfortable in those. But same length in the others is intriguing to me. At this point it's all about making the game a little easier. Not a lot of money at just 5 clubs so might as well give it a shot.
@@MSDOGS1976 give it a go.
@@joshuamcclellan4942 Now that Bryson DeChambeau has one the US Open with one length irons, I think the detractors will now be very quiet.
I've played OL irons for two seasons now (5i to LW), and I have no plans to switch back. As a matter of fact, I'm working on shortening my FW's and driver as well. I started by building a set of pinhawks, then went to F7, and now F8. My iron game consistency is far better, and I have managed to drop my average score by more than 5 strokes. I agree that these are not for everyone, and that a person can't really tell anything by hitting a few demos, there is a bit of a learning curve. I can see that most accomplished players might not want, or need to switch to OL irons, but I struggle to believe that an average golfer is really going to be hindered because the wedges fly 10' higher and the 5i 10' lower.
Here are a few things I've found along the way:
A person needs to have decent swing speed to get anything out of the 4i. I swing a 7i about 90-93 mph, and I dropped the OL 4i for an OL 4h because I couldn't always hit it much farther than the 5i. Strike is more critical at lower lofts regardless of the shaft length I guess.
The wedges are my favorite part of the set becasue I always had trouble with thinning full wedge shots over the green. I have no issues hitting them my standard distances, but I can also hit them about 10 yds farther if I need to, which is like having extra clubs in the bag in my experience. I get a lot of spin out of them as well. I chip better with them, and they have rewarded me with a lot of birdies, especially this past season.
The OL 4 hybrid is stupid easy to hit, and it flies as far as a regular length 4 iron for me. The OL hybrids also double as a great chipper.
About the only negative I have run across is with shorter par 3's that are considerably down hill, and soft conditions. In that scenario I have hit a 9 irons to the middle of the green and it spun back, right off the green. I hit 5 more balls to see if it was just fluke, and they all did the same thing.
I have tried the F9's and they were virtually identical to the F8's. I could maybe get another yard or two carry distance, but certainly not enough to switch. It makes sense I suppose since the specs are the same for both.
brilliant reply James. if the 9's aren't much of an upgrade to the 8's, did you feel the 8's were much of an upgrade to the 7's?
@@derekwren4104They are a slight upgrade. The 5i is a bit easier to launch, and the lofted clubs fly slightly lower, basically what they say they were trying to do. I'm not a fan of how they changed the lies in the lower lofted clubs though, and will have them bent a bit more flat.
I had the F8's and now game the F9's. Big improvement on distance, accuracy (thanks to the KBS shafts) and feel. Big upgrade
I love one length. I feel my iron game has been a lot more consistent. Just switched from F7 to F9
Gary have you noticed a significant improvement with the F9 clubs over the F7 ( I have the F7)
Hi Kym. I’ve found to new long irons are much easier to launch from the fairway. The only negative for me is to my eye the F9 is noticeably larger behind the ball. Also I think the Arccos is a great system if you make full use of it. I would say the F9 feel nicer to hit.
@@garybewers8266 Thanks
I play the Forge Tec One in Black. Absolutely love them. Hitting more greens, great improvement all round, have won comps. Only down fall is I wish I got them in graphite due to my tendinitis and as discovered I hit graphite even better.
Now looking at getting the Forged Tec One (Chrome MB) or possibly reshaft the black model as I really love the feeling and look.
Don't be afraid to give the Forged Tec One MB a go. They are actually more forgiving than you think.
Thank you so much gents for such a fun review. I’ve been playing Taylormade RSI 1’s for the last 3 years and are great for me as a 15 handicapper, but I really wanted to try the whole one length out. So I bought a cheap set of F7’s, the lofts, head shape and virtually identical. I find both clubs play the same distance and peak heights are the same (except 9 to GW in f7). I’m more consistent, feel and sound seem about the same. I love the fact the wedges are longer, I feel more in control, you can swing really relaxed and allow the club to do the work, marvellous !!!! Around the greens, 5-10 yard chips a doddle. Haven’t yet taken them to the course, but so far I’m really happy. My only problem is using the junior 4 hybrid, any advice Mark would be greatly appreciated e.g set up, AOA etc. Just can’t seam to get any consistency or height . Keep up the great work chaps
I have Arccos and love it...the honesty helps me learn! it proves to us normal people how often we under club! Also great to have a record of your great holes. Re One length....not sure you gave them a fair test....rather than all trying to be clever and hit a 9 iron to the same flag...pick a flag position and then you each decide which club "length" to hit....like you would normally do!
Nik Tipler I agree on every point you made. I love my Cobra Ones and the Arccos. The golf community is missing out by not using the Arccos technology.
I am playing a split set of F9 irons. 4 thru 7 one length and 8 thru Gap wedge. Really enjoying them and now look forward to hitting the long irons in my bag.
Great video. I did just test these on the weekend. I was getting great numbers, but more importantly to me it just seemed easier. About 170 yards on the 5i and 130 yards on the 9i. A similar 7i (Wilson D7) was 150 yards. Same ball position, same body position, line up and swing. I'm seriously considering them. The gapping works for me and I like the idea. So, why not?
Totally agree about game golf, mate of mine gave his away when he realised his 7 iron was going 125 yards and not 155 yards like he thought lol
Great video. Had we wanting to try them, then... "nah, I don't think they'd help much."
Mark, 100% correct about the shot tracking tech. I mentioned before how full of crap I was about club yardages until I got my first Skycaddie. Everyone thinks they hit their driver 250, as Matt says, and I used to think that too. Today, Arccos driving distances (other than the times I hit trees) were... 194, 208, 164 (don't ask), 175, 199, 178, 188, 202, 199 & 216. Wanted to drive from South Carolina all the way back to New York so I could jump off the Brooklyn Bridge!
Mark - quick point on the spin with the 9 iron.. your club speed would be dropping off so dropping the spin off? You were hitting 3/4 shots so I’d expect to see a lower spin number.. right???
As a coach, would you be inclined to put a junior into this type of set. Say a 12/13 year came to you with a good athletic background but no real golf background, could you see an advantage for that player being in a one length set from the start?
Second question, what if any is the advantage of a variable length set OTHER than you (and most golfers) being used to using variable length irons? If this was the other way, and all golf clubs forever had been one length and then a company came out with variable length would this even be a conversation?
I've never hit these but i find my self more than a little intrigued and will test them soon with a thought to game them.
I play single length clubs (Wishon) it works. I’m not a beginner and have baggage as you call it. I play to a 2 and have shot -2 with them. Horses for courses as they say. Just because some people don’t like the way they look or “Callaway” don’t make a set doesn’t make them a bad club or concept. Lots of different clubs out there for lots of different swings and handicaps. Give them a try if they don’t work try something else in the pro shop
I recommended these to a player at our club who struggles to adapt to the different clubs in his bag. Since he bought them, he's found his love for the game again. Why, well now he focuses on exactly the same swing for all his iron shots and only needs to know how far he wants to hit them.
I think one length clubs are brilliant for those types of players (as you mentioned as well) for players who don't have the time to practise much, or those struggling with different clubs.
Best clubs I ever owned were a set of home made Maxfli Mystique one length irons. I built these long before the current interest in the concept as I was intrigued to see if having same length/lie/swing weight/set up and stance would improve my game. I put in the same shafts (project X 6.5) all tipped and trimmed from raw length to be exactly the same length and bend profile (6 iron length for me as I am 6'3 and it was the most consistent club I had in the bag), head weights all the same by melting lead into the cavity of the longer iron and grinding the shorter ones including all my Rotex wedges, same oversize grips throughout, same lie angle, all swing weighted to be the same and gapped (loft adjustment) to give me as close to my usual numbers with consistent yardage gaps. Yes there was slightly less spin and height on the longer irons than my std length set (though not to much due to the lead in the head & extra mass at a shorter length compared to standard length) and slightly more spin & height on the shorter irons due to the loft gapping needed to get consistent yardage gaps (slightly longer distance overall on each club but necessary to keep the spin numbers close to my usual numbers). Once I made up this set, I just spent time on course and range grooving them in and working out how to play the holes on my local goat track (running up the longer irons if required/able, clubbing down on shorter iron to fly them slightly longer due to the extra spin/height or clubbing up with shorter irons with a knock down to manipulate the spin lower). My consistency of strike, dispersion, gir all went through the roof and I went from 15 handicap down to 6 (could have been lower if the driver (std length) played the game). I eventually wrecked them by melting the lead back out of the cavity and machining steel weights which I welded to the outside/back of the cavity, thinking that this would further increase the forgiveness of the head by pulling the CG further from the face and thus helping to improve my game even further. That was the theory behind it but I stuffed some thing up as they never played the same (and probably non conforming). I cut the steel weights off and tried to rebuild them as before but could never get them the same. Hence my search for the last many years trying to get my hand on another set of Maxfli Mystiques. I have been through a few std length sets since then and I currently game std length P790's and my handicap is back down to 7 but nothing has ever performed as well, felt as good to swing, been as consistent or made me feel as good about or enjoy my game as that home made set of one length irons. Even if your not inclined or have the time/equipment to do what I did, give single length a go, get the cobra pro version, Wishon sl, pin hawk etc, gap test them properly by hitting them ALL as you would a 7 iron, (same set up, stance, ball position etc and adjust the lofts if necessary for correct distances and/or spin, then game them on course (or range) them for a month or so to get to know them. There's no denying the concept behind it and I guarantee you won't be disappointed with one length if you've had the fitted properly and put in the effort, to know your clubs. You still may prefer your std length in the end (though I highly doubt it) but they are definitely worth a try.
I have tried the pin hawks as they are made around the same concept as mine (same every thing) but they are cast clubs which I did not like the feel of. The swing weight and length were also way off from what I wanted and because I did not like the feel didn't think it was worth trying to modify them. Haven't tried the Cobra or Wishon one length as the theory behind them are based around varying head weights and shaft bend point which to create the gapping which is not what I want from a single length set but the theory of one swing is still the same. Please Santa, send me a set of Maxfli Mystiques for Christmas, I will be a good boy, I promise LOL !!!
For me it's not necessarily the one length putting golfers from trying these out, it's the chunky head which in my opinion appeals to kids/beginners/higher handicappers. If Cobra had an Apex/p790/I500 equivalent then it would be interesting to see if it would make a difference.
I currently game One Length irons from Cobra and I am looking at going back to standard wedges. Too me, I feel like this will be the best of both worlds. My longer approach shots have gotten better and I was better with standard wedges for my short game. Test, test, test!
My wife wants to pick up the game and she is in her mid-30’s. I can’t think of a better option than the one length system. It should make the game (hopefully) more fun and simplified/more easy to pick up on as the swing variation are minimized.
As for Arccos, I am a big fan. It helped me narrow down my typical misses on the golf course, and it identified areas of the game that I thought were good but were actually lacking.
Another enjoyable watch with great chat and information between the three of you. I moved to one length late last year with an nearly new set of KIng F7 primarily to help my back by having a more simplified swing. Still need to go on the practice range and work out my chipping distances with each club!
Playing Sterling Irons single length for the last 2 years. Very good, specially for long Irons. Still using normal wedges.. but the improvement on my long irons is amazing
Please review the slimmer,more traditional lofted tour version Mark,would be great to hear you’re thoughts on those!
Lee Gibbons they have a tour version this year? Didn’t last year, just in f7
@@5wisher5weet Came out in 2018 Black Forged Tec. They are amazing! I just got them! Way better feel and look than the others and more distance for me.
I beg anyone who struggles with long irons to try the one length hybrids. I have the f8 ones, And they are magical. So easy to hit and I have no problem with my gaps and distances.
If you are thinking about hybrids instead of irons for the first time, you must try these out.
Also the shortness makes them even better for playing out of fairway bunkers and chipping round the green....
And I totally agree about the Arccos. I love it, it has helped me a lot to know my true abilities under pressure/in games etc.
But if you are going to use it, you have to put your ego in a box and just trust the Arccos! It doesn’t lie.
Yes I can smash my 7i 180+, and carry 290 with my driver, but how often have I done that in a game.... I think once according to Arccos!
As a bonus, it’s probably better than most rangefinders as well once you learn to use it well. I’ve compared it side by side to expensive bushnells, and distance is always with 1 yard of each other.
I don't find the short irons go longer, they go the same distance, just higher with steeper angle of descent, perfect for short iron play. I play F7s and have ordered Edels. 8hcp. Swing em all like a 7 iron and stop making daft adjustments.
Interesting video. When reviewing clubs Mark always brings up thr different results with the same club are down to the player. One length increases consistency and reduces the variables. I'm trying to make golf easier and more fun, that's why I use one length. It's also helped me reduce my handicap from 19 to 13
Started playing one length a year ago from a fitted set of XR pro irons. First thing I had to get my head around was that they are just different. Once I put my baggage aside and adapted to them I am a convert. I readjusted my distances and accepted the spin rates according to how hard I hit the ball and found the short irons fly higher and spin back as well as other irons. Gw to 4I fitted in the gaps of my Callaway 3H FW and Mizuno Driver and my Ping 54 and 58 Deg wedges. They have improved my accuracy and consistency at all distances. However the biggest advantage I get from these irons is around the greens. I am a believer in the Paul Runyon toe up chip and run shot and find due to the same length of club can use the same shot with all irons to get close to the pin.
I love Arccos. I love the stats. I love knowing exactly where my game is. Nothing better than actual on course data. You really figure out your distances because it is real life. Launch monitors are always controlled environments off hitting mats. I went from an 8 to 4 handicap because of the data from Arccos. I found all my weaknesses and worked on them.
As someone who's played single-length irons for 6 years, I can safely attest that you get used to the longer length of the high-lofted clubs. Cobra makes it harder by building them at a 7-iron length (Wishon, my brand, builds at an 8-iron length.) I'm better with all my irons since making the switch.
When I first put them into play in 2016, my GW and PW were shorter than expected. But what I realized after a bit was THEY WEREN'T shorter. I was. I was backing off because of their length. Once I realized that and hit them as aggressively as I do the rest of the set, they fell right into place.
My irons have the same weight, swing weight, MOI, offset (2 degrees), etc. Every club feels exactly the same. The only differences are the lofts, the materials used, and some weighting (not weight) changes. The main idea is that the low-lofted irons have a higher COR and the higher lofted irons have softer faces. I still had to fit them and change lofts to achieve proper gapping, but that's normal.
let me say this first, i think that this channel is probably the best information available about golf and golf equipment. Secondly they are absolutely terrible at interpreting finance into golf. That being said, don't forget that one length irons do not require a fitting. therefore, on the second hand market they are vastly superior to any irons that aren't one length, because you can simply by them off the shelf. what custom fitting has done has essentially killed the used golf club market. yes you can buy a set of second hand golf clubs for significantly less money, but then if you have to pay a golf fitter to alter them for you, you probably lost most, or at least a significant portion of those savings. I just gave away my set of 23 year old irons. I am an american expat living in east africa, where there is no market for golf clubs at all. I went back to the u.s briefly to visit my family around thanksgiving time. I knew that this was the busiest time of year and that I would not have time to get a custom fitting. I purchased a set of cobra f7 one length irons off of the internet that were delivered to my house for $220, no fitting or extra cost required. The club's appeared to be basically brand new, i got 5 iron through gap wedge. I am unbelievably happy with my purchase, although as they stated there is some getting used to for the 8,9 and wedges. that being said, there were going to be some growing pains for anyone who had the same set of irons for 23 years. I guess my whole point is that these clubs have the ability to cut a huge amount of the cost for golfers who want to shop on the used market.
Said it before, I’ll say it again. If they just offered a blended set I think they’d sell more. I tried to game a full set of F7s and lasted five rounds before I chucked the GW-8 for my standard length Ping i’s 9,8,7 and kept the 7, 6, 5 in one length (lofts are strong so the 7 is my 6, 6 my 5 and so on). One thing I couldn’t game was the one length hybrid. Had trouble launching and keeping it from over drawing. Blend it Cobra!
The results speak for themselves. For someone like me who's new to the game I love the one length. I like how they simplify the game
You guys are the best utuber’s at reviewing clubs and tech. Keep them coming 👍🏻👏🏼
Also I should add, they do a 3/4/5 in one length hybrids.
I bag the 3 and 5, and skip out the 4. That gives me excellent spacing from my 6 iron (irons are not cobra.) Then have a de-lofted cobra one length utility iron then f8 3 wood.
Each to their own of course, but it is certainly working for me.
I play Cobra One Lengths and love them. I also use the Arccos. The Arccos has helped me identify my misses and adjust on the course. The Arccos Caddy app give accurate distances on the course. I’ve cut 5 strokes from my game since I started using Arccos.
I play with a phone based GPS app, best decision I ever made and knowing my club averages and distance to the pin has lowered my score more than anything else I've used.
LOVE THE LONGER REVIEW VIDEOS!!!! Keep it up Mark. Fantastic!
Just as a note to update, this is what Cobra says Bryson is using:
www.cobragolf.com/tour-cobra-bryson-dechambeau
Single length clubs from 4 down to lob wedge (although I don't think the wedges are one-length specific, rather it says he's using the same length of 37.5 inches). Then he has a utility iron at 40.5 inches.
Great vid as always chaps!
Bryson doesn’t play normal length hybrids danielson! He plays one length utilities for 3 and 4 iron, but plays normal 3 wood and driver. Love the one length, I think they are one of the best selling ranges for cobra.
I tried the f8 one length, and I liked them. What I didn’t like was inconsistency from different lies and even if the ball was wet. Hitting their 5i with a wet ball out of the rough could lead to a massive flyer, a spinny short shot or a normal distance shot. The lie and condition of the ball made such a huge difference to the results. When you get a chance Mark, try these clubs outside in different lies and specifically with wet balls. Since the spin numbers are so relied upon achieving their distances in the long clubs, anything that can reduce it or increase it made a huge impact to the resulting shot in my testing.
The conversation around the tech was good. I love the honesty. I used to hit my 7 iron 150 until i got my averages !!
The one length review needs to be had spread over weeks. 30mins of "looks weird" "feels weird" doesnt tell me much. What's the performance if committed over weeks
Love the comments on shot tracking. I have it and I love it. I use it to get my clubbing correct and to see what I need to work on. My friend used his for about three rounds and stopped tracking his shots. He uses it as a gps device but never tracks anything and the reason absolutely is that he does not want to know how short he hits it or how badly he scores. I don't get it. How does deluding yourself really work for people? Don't they know they're kidding themselves? You absolutely cannot improve at anything if you can't accept that you often don't play well and need to work on your game.
Review the One Length utility iron with the adjustable neck...Please!
So it's stamped 9, loft of an 8, length of a 7, and the spin of a 6... that clears it up.
Austin Snider knuckleballllll!!!
just hit the f9 gap and 5 iron. best feeling cast iron ive hit...im a 2 cap and by bud is a 12 and we both came away super impressed....i had tried the f7 version
and was not impressed
That was great boys. Talking about the tech behind one length and each of your ideas was very informative. I love the idea of a constant posture and ball position but the gapping at both ends has worried me. Funny how in the end this finished like every other review thou - go and test.
Ultimately the science behind one length is sound. Bryson has the right idea.
I'd be willing to bet that if you set up two new golfers, one with variable length one with one length you'd see far faster progression and a far more consistent swing from the one length player. If a seasoned golfer picks up one length they have to forget fundamentals that have been drilled into them.
Another thing that will put off scratch/low/mid handicappers is that in order to get the CG and MOI right the club heads have to be far chunkier than your standard set of blades.
I have the whole F9 set for this year... One lenth in irons 3 hybrid to sw.. And speedbak driver... 3 & 5 wood...
xrayg1971 have you notice an improvement in your game with the one length?
Steven.. Yes I have... Ballstriking has been better and more consistant for sure... Does take some getting used to but if you give them a chance they perform... I never had a 5 iron that I could hit really good and now I do I also got the 3 hybrid which is 19 degrees great club
xrayg1971 thanks for the reply. I usually choke down on the longer irons. So I’m wondering if these would be better. I haven’t even swung the single length irons yet. I may try them out. Hard for me to get away from ping irons though.
@@stevencarrier5060 i hear you man ... one thing i would say is when the cobra try it out program starts back up .. you should do it .. for 20 bucks they will ship you a set you can keep them or send them back .. 2 week try out .. program is closed now but i assume that they will start it again in the spring .. wishon one length does a similar thing but i think they only send you 3 or 4 clubs ..
Built my first set of SL irons around 8 yrs ago and i did find over the years that i prefer to have my PW-GW-SW stepped 1/4 in down,but thats the best move i ever made to my golf game was SL.
I like the one length clubs I have. Just wish cobra would vary the loft to get the correct gaps instead of keeping traditional lofts. Also my one length forged do spin better than the entry clubs here.
hey robert, what do you mean by your 2nd sentence, " ...vary the loft to get the correct gaps instead of keeping traditional lofts...?" What should be done to the lofts in your opinion?
Daniel Vega the one length use traditional loft gaps. 4 degrees between club for middle iron 3 for long irons. This, in my experience, leads to a narrowing of gaps in long irons on one lengths more so than tradition irons. I added a 1deg stronger to 5 and 2deg on 4 iron and they gapped better. So in my point above I think cobra should design the clubs to get the correct gaps not just assume having the same lofts as traditional clubs is the best solution. I would not just do what I have done I would ground up design them to get the right gaps and carries for specific swing speeds. The swing speeds do not vary in one length so it should be easy.
I use arccos religiously now but when I first got them I was shocked at how brutally honest it made me. Once I got over myself it showed me exactly what was wrong with my game, fixing it is still all down to me tho
Loved the little discussion about the Arcoss and other shot collecting data. I do love the collection of heads in this discussion. I personally don't like the feeling of a short hybrid either even though I've only hit one in a shop. I can totally see what Dan is saying with the "thinning" feeling. In my own head a hybrid reminds me so much of a wood/metal club it makes me feel like I need more speed... and part of that equation is in the shaft length. It's just goofy to me.
Then after my comment you mentioned the slower club head speed.. hit a full shot with the 9.. be interested to see the spin
Totally agree that the best way to improve is to know your golf stats, last season I used a similar system to gamegolf, but on my phone. Its very interesting that from the data on average I hit each club 8-12 yards shorter on the course in comparison to dry ball data from trackman. So now when Im playing on the course I have data to know under what condition I am able to play and start to play to my higher percentage shots.
Please do a video on arccos. i already have it and think its brilliant and has helped me identify where i need to focus my practice
Nice to see lockey on the club reviews recently!! Keep up the great content gents
I do like that no one would game these out of you guys but seems to be a realitive good results in the tests.
I just bought the forged one lengths and I’ll likely get the hybrid/ long irons out of this set to mitigate the loss in height! Thanks for all your work guys 🙌🏽
I love my arccos system its made massive improvements in my game since i got it august last uear. Understanding of my distances ., weaknesses, where i miss most has improved my practice. It actually improves confidence no end. Stats are brilliant. Would recommend to anyone
I have a custom set made - which couldn't be ordered through a shop. was hard work with a custom club builder and their internal cobra contacts. I have one length 3 and 4 hybrid, one length forged tec 5,6,7 iron and then standard variable length forged tec 8iron to lob wedge. best thing i've ever done for my game. i could never hit long irons and now I regularly practice at the range with my 5 iron and its probly the most consistant club on the course . my scores have come down massively since making the switch to this setup (and i've always been custom fit)
Great video and really interesting. Love these in depth testing videos. Learn a lot from them
I was actually going to ask about them. Thank you for reading my mind.
Loved the way Dan checked the length of the Hybrid LOL!
Mark, great video, talking about grip sensors, which do you prefer Game Golf or Arccos?
Please answer 👍🏻👍🏻✌🏻
Is it fair to look at spin numbers when you are manipulating speed as much as you were in the last 9 iron test? I'd be interested to see the spin numbers on full swing shots. Isn't one of the biggest parts of the spin "calculation" the amount of spin you put into the ball? So if you take speed away to hit a number, shouldn't spin drop as well?
I'm also not a pro. I would like to just further my understanding because I feel if you guys were to do the same shots with your "gamer" clubs, you'd get similar spin numbers, minus Coach's 2800 RPM shot.
EDIT: I apologize. I write out this comment half way through the video and didn't see until after the comment was written that Matt's club was used to test. I'm still curious to know your thoughts on it.
Wish I had seen this sooner (hope you read this Mark) but I totally agree with Dan: I'm a short golfer and I lose control with the longer irons, I go to 6I then it's all woods and hybrids... My set this year will be standard to 7, and single length from 6 to driving iron. Right now, I feel a bit ripped off buying an iron set because I don't use half the clubs, and the longer the shaft the more they crank the lofts the less use I get out of a full standard set. Anyways, great vid. Thanks Mark :)
Really enjoyed the conversation about this concept! I totally get the irons, but not sure I could do it with the hybrid. Also the shot tracking idea, totally agree that people don’t want the truth. More fun to think you can hit a 7 iron 170!
I used one length clubs for 18 months. Lob wedge through to 6 iron were class but they bunched up with 3, 4 & 5 so I ended up switching back to tradition length clubs.
As to shot manipulation I had no problems with the one length clubs achieving my needs.
Change is hard, but for average or new golfer, these make the game much easier. I went to single length before Bryson, they work for me. If you ask me to go back to standard length, I would produce a similar video complaining about the variability making shots more difficult.
Love these reviews with the three of you blokes great info with great banter keep it up boys
My wife has never played a sport in her life. She wants to play golf. So guess what I am about to put her onto? You guessed it.. single length irons. I switched 2 years ago and it removes a bucket load of difficulty from the game. My Wishons are where it's at!
Yes, please do a video on the Game Golf type products. I've been up in the air getting one for the past couple years and cant decide which one to get and or why!
I use game golf (215 rounds & counting) and think it’s great, but like Mark said people don’t like to see the truth of their game I play off 14 handicap & carry my 7 iron 140 yards! The other thing is people can’t be arsed & just want to stay in their I hit it 300 yard bubble.
I'd be much more inclined to try these out if they were standard lengths from pitching wedge to the 7 iron and then one length from there to a 3 iron.
As these are a game improvement set you should have had rory hit them , as i see the benefits of the one lenght set , same as i see the benefits of hybrid over a 2 iron or 1 iron
Ignoring reality is why most of us quote our Carry + Roll distance as the distance we hit our clubs and why we always seem to end up in that bunker 30yards short of our target.
(Yes, I need to do some gap testing to get some true ideas on my carry distances etc for my clubs. I dont mind reality if it helps me improve my game).
I've had my one length irons about two weeks. So far, my biggest adjustment has been the 5 iron otherwise, I'm finding that I'm making more solid contact and I'm able to control distances better overall.
Like the honest thoughts. My mate is playing the F7 1 lengths, I tried them could not get my head around them and didn’t like the feel. Good for golf to have more options though...
I tested the f8 hybrid had the same thoughts I love my regular length hybrid. However the 7 iron length hybrid performed well and now it's in the bag.
I’m intrigued to try One length when I next buy irons and get fit... certainly the player in me that on a bad day can hit his 7 iron well, but not a great deal else would like to see it this improves those days. And Game Golf is ace... I love seeing my average distance for a club and also having genuine bragging rights for those big drives (when they rarely occur)
think there will be a Callaway Epic Coach one length iron coming out?
Spends a lifetime swinging standard clubs, picks up a one length for the first time and still getting good results. With time, you’ll learn how to perform. I have the one length f9 hadn’t played a round in almost 7 years and using these shot 4 over par. My best round ever. Why? I swung it like a 7, had a lot of stingers, but that was due to me reporting. Loved it, but still would use standard wedges.
Great review and interesting conversations about game improvement ideas. I use the game golf app after rounds. It's really showed me where I'm losing shots. My 6 iron was a problem, but with that app and some work with my coach I'm ready to see better scores.
The type of player that these clubs help are the ones that are not as athletic as others who have trouble repeating one swing much less 8 or 9 swings for variable length clubs. Or players with lower back issues that struggle to hit the shorter irons or even wedges.
my guess is Cobra is thrilled with sales volume of one lengths. They weren’t on the map before and are now selling thousands of sets (according to Bob Philion, their CEO), with thousands more trying
I’m in the market for one length clubs. I have it narrowed down to 3 manufacturers. Cobra is one of them. I will not order the Cobra Connect Grips because I currently have a set of the Arccos sensors on my current Ping G10’s. I love these sensors. The have helped my game big time after being away for 7 years due to shoulder injuries. I will just add them to the one length set I choose. Mark is dead on saying that they are great tech.
Arccos is excellent if you put ego to the side and use it properly!
Had it for 7 or 8 months now and I feel like I’ve had real improvement because of it and that can be measured by it.
Would highly recommend it to anyone who seriously wants to improve.
Best part is getting the gapping of your clubs right through the arccos system... gives you real world data to adjust your clubs by. Not some simulator perfect world numbers etc.
8.5/10 for arccos.
I just though of an interesting club building challenge for you :) You and Dan probably have multiple drivers in the closet, how about of cutting an shaft into 7-iron lenght, adding weight to bottom by led taping, maybe need to add weight under grip too (don't know for sure) and or melting glue in (or what ever speedfoam you can get) into head for gaining the lost swing weight and try out the product if it did anything? Just for the lol's please and if 262 is still achievable :)
Arccos is brilliant been using it over a year I know my yardages and pick up pattern of misses also so simple to use. On the range and launch monitor my 7 iron carries150 honestly.. but Arccos tells me smart range is 139-143 total (it is correct not my ego)
Very good review, I had always thought about trying to game the lower numbers i.e. 7, 8, 9, PW, as my own Club yardages tend to be more bunched together at the bottom end of the bag. After watching this I think I might go and have test of these clubs to see what the yardages are like for my swing. I am currently playing off 16 with the target to get to 12/13 this year and I think I need to be sharper at the bottom end of the bag. Being able to hit a 7 Iron from 6Iron yardages might help??
The fear of something different is a difficult barrier to breakdown. As coaches you must see it every day.
Is bryson a fair example of standard one lengths? His are modified heavily are they not?
It'd be interesting to see how you guys got on with a one length bladed set, to see if distance was able to be controlled with a better spin profile. If such a thing exists of course!
I wish you guys would acknowledge that these one length clubs like all brands and styles can be custom fit. If you don't like the hybrid just get the normal hybrid. Same for the wedges, you can get them cut to a preferred size. You would normally buy those clubs separate anyway.
Would be interesting to see your thoughts on the One Length Forged. I am very intrigued by the idea of the clubs. But changing the mentality of a sport who is only just letting women play a tournament at Augusta for the first time, will be no easy task.
This is genuinely a great video lads, really enjoyed this
Hi @Mark Crossfield
Given your dislike of the larger chunkier one length cobra clubs.
What about a test of the new Forged Tec Black One length irons. See how spin and peak height in 9 and 5 have supposedly been corrected. Would give an insight into what is available for the lower handicap more traditional player looking to go one length in pw to 4 iron but okay with dealing with the bigger gap between PW and Gap.
i'm almost 100% sure, that other OEM's have a line of One Length irons ready to released, as soon as the demand pick up.