Bus 190: Mission Impossible
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- čas přidán 14. 10. 2013
- Just at the bus stop outside Thong Teck Building, I had to skip bus 190 for 13 times before being finally able to board it at the 14th bus...1 hr 40 mins later on Friday, 4 Oct (Children's Day).
According to a passenger I talked to, this is common, and it gets worse during weekends and holidays.
As Singapore gets more and more overcrowded, this inconvenience will be inevitable, more dangerous (watch the whole thing to see why) and become the new normal of the future (actually now)...pretty detrimental to our overall economic and mental productivity.
Find out at the end, whether you agree or not...
*To those asking why not I take an alternative mode of transport & yadda dadada, here are my reasons:
The purpose of the video is not just about me per se. It's to show how inconvenient it is to take the bus of your choice.
If I were to go off like that (which I could), would any of you even know this incident is a common affair? Would anyone understand what it was like for the commuters who stuck through with me (esp. the Aunty in orange t-shirt) to know how frustrating this is?
Bus 190 has long been a problematic, crowded bus and it's time this has to be addressed (long overdue). This also applies to many other buses in Singapore that take the popular routes.
Also, consider those who are disabled, the elderly and those with children. Switching buses or MRT stations can be an inconvenience for these ppl, sometimes very impossible. With a direct bus to their homes (most commuters at this bus stop live in CCK and Bukit Panjang), it's a regular choice they make. Can you imagine how much an agony this is for them to go through daily?
DON'T FORGET:
Anyone who has filmed with a smartphone typically do not calibrate their smartphone lens to the exact focal point of their eyes, so perspective distortion does occur where by the distances between objects appear bigger than in real life (that's why ppl like u think I did not bother to queue or go up the bus), not forgetting the free moving angle of my arm that was holding the phone. Also, I had to pause filming every time i tried to board the bus (not captured on video).
Did I wave for a taxi during that time? Oh yes, I did indeed (not shown in video as focus was on the bus instead), and that wasn't easy since many of them had the 'Busy' sign on (it's a Friday after all).
The right questions you should ask are:
- Why should the incident even be allowed in the first place?
- Why can't people have the right to their first choice of transport mode?
- Why can't commuters have the right to a comfortable and spacious transport if they don't want to board an overcrowded bus which is suffocating and dangerous?
- How about people like parents with children, the elderly and the disabled who cannot afford to go through the agony of changing multiple stations just to get to their destinations (which is also more expensive)?
- If we just sweep problems under the carpet or use imperfection as an excuse, we will start to grow comfortable in incompetence and never improve. How can we even progress as a society if we allow this to fester?
- What rights do we have to call ourselves a First World country if we can't address such a problem like this?
Crumbling are the days in Singapore where taking transport is a straight-forward routine.
*Tip for SMRT: In London, commuters are allowed to enter at the exit doors and tap their cards there. It's an overcrowded city too but I never had to wait 14 times when I visited that place. Pls consider this option for us commuters.
BECAUSE of this viral video, Bukit Panjang residents were finally given bus 972 to ease the load. A smack in the face to self-proclaimed Smart Alecks who think that the best way to "not waste time" is to shake leg and do nothing. www.straitstimes.com/singapore...
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Don't fucking blame on the driver, blame on the public transport service not to arrange more buses for that route.
Squall0833 I am the one who are the 100th like and I agree with you.
report this to transport minister, so public problem barely able to solve. please bus user, be a keyboard warrior to gain his attention.. after
Some people hv very poor vocabulary. Anything that their feeble minds is unable to grasp or understand becomes a 4-letter word or 3-letter expletive. Why the need to add unnecessary and idiotic adjectives ? If they want to say "Don't blame" why add f******* ?
last time not enough bus
hubby: dear, govt say make babies leh....come home faster...
wife: ok! but i am still waiting for bus 190 leh.....
hubby:............
Coming back to this video nowadays is so interesting, since 190 still has more intense frequencies and downroutes than most buses, even though DTL2 has absorbed a good chunk of its ridership. Haven't gotten the chance to check out 190 on a Friday Night though so story might be different, given that DTL is also a 3-car. But DTL and 972 seems to have made things better for 190, and it's pretty cool what just one video can do
The bigger problem here is how the commuters don’t move in not the bus drivers. The passengers can obviously see there’s a lot more space at the back of the bus but it’s more difficult for the bus driver to do so. They shouldn’t move in only when the bus drivers tell them to. They have eyes and ears to see and hear people trying to board! Even when bus drivers tell them to move in, they’ll usually only move in 1 or 2 steps 😒 If they were actually considerate, this situation wouldn’t be as bad.
Actually, among 190 commuters, we know that the bus stop opp far east just outside thong teck building is suicidal. it has been happening for years! SMRT finally moved their butts, but ppl have been complaining more than 6 yrs over this issue and nothing was done until this video came out, can u believe it!
i just want to say five words. THANK YOU AND GOD BLESS YOU. because of this video, the LTA has finally implemented a new bus servivce.
Service number 972.
In Canada, the bus driver and passengers will actually shout "Back of the bus!" so the people will move and give more room.
really. It would be cool to see it in action here at SG
FlameKiller Yeah, the driver should say something if he/she really wants the people to give move room and move to the back.
true
+FastCarsNoRules220 I took a bus before and the driver say "MOVE BACK!" all moved back
Cevertron Video ProductionsTM That bus driver was doing his job then.
They (SMRT) should have purchased double deckers a LONG TIME AGO to deploy on 190 to cope with all the load :(
Bro. i believe the articulated bus capacity is more than double decker. Cuz u can't have that much people on the 2nd deck.
@@crapsai oso u can stand lmao
aiya... is like dat Wan la
But will passenger even bother going upstairs
Lol, an articulated double decker bus actually existed.
100% agreed. A 190E should be introduced to have more capacity.
its just really incredible to see how, no matter young or old, as you can see in this video, impatient people can be.
I just wanted to say
Rear doors are not supposed to let ppl to get on the bus, only allow for passengers to get off, only idiots and kiasu ppl want to get in bus from that rear door when passengers are getting off.
I don't see the driver did anything wrong, even there are still some space, doesn't mean have to let more ppl get on until full, it is not safe for some security reasons. He has the right not to stop if no passengers are getting off at the stop.
Totally agreed. Singaporeans are too kiasu.
There are instances where people are allowed to get on from the rear door. The rear card reader will change to allow for entry scanning
Squall0833 Exactly!!!
I agree you aren't supposed to enter from the back door those ppl who say the driver nvr open door are being so selfish
but more space
A BIG THANK YOU from all of us in CCK to our savior who uploaded this video. I've been living in CCK for almost 16 years. BUS 190 has always been crowded both ways. Im sure from the scanning system that we have now that is called EZLINK, theres a way to tabulate the capacity of commuters on a daily basis. And im very sure that someone is aware that its always crowded. But trust me guys, the transport system in CCK sucks big time.
Gotta blame Yeo Cheow Tong for this. He was Yew Tee MP as well as Transport Minister but did fuck all.
Kudos to you for uploading this video!
Thank you very very very much for uploading this video... i feel your pain and frustration
Heard that double deck buses will be deployed by smrt somewhere end of this yr. Hope that will ease the current situation.
Kudos to you for taking the initiative to bring this problem to the fore. I don't take this bus but I do take the bus to go to work. So I know how frustrating it can be sometimes. Owl011075 obviously don't find this to be a problem but I believe many regular passengers of bus 190 share your frustration and appreciate you taking the steps that you have taken. Good job and I hope the issue will be resolve soon.
It has been 10 years since this video was uploaded, and now ironically the DTL (that opened to resolve the issues depicted here) is facing the same issues, and needs 190 and 972 to offload demand to prevent going past 100% crowding
(600th comment!)
During off peak hours DTL is always so full lol, Dk about peak hours it was quite full once I rode but idk if it’s worse now
"No standing on steps"
LOL
They are forced to bypass the rule because of the out of control overcrowding situation
Omg the comment section sounds really uneducated. I'm so embarrassed for you guys man.
You hit the spot! And SMRT still want to monopolise these profitable routes.
SBST still has most of the profitable routes though. Now 851 also theirs.
We S,porean squeeze our life here & there n gets nothing
Keep on giving
+nasser rafi bro i feel u
yup true
that's how i feel that's why i wanna move out frm sg other people from other country gets good pay and gets all the attentions and we get nothing back in returned.
A suggestion to smrt is to have a 190A, 190B, 190C or even 190D which all stops at different stops along the route. It frees up s
if u guys are wondering why this uploader couldnt board the bus... it is coz of youtube.. LOL
i believe out of the 13 bus drivers at least 7 are foreign talents,usually local drivers will ask passengers to move to the rear.thanks for showing me who to vote for next time.
Whats the different with double deck bus and this long one ? Isnt it just the same? The double decker one taller but this one is longer. So techinically it wont make a different. Somemore double deck bus cannot stand on the second deck.
isit the smrt's fault or the passengers who refused to move in? are the passengers supposed to board frm the back entrance?
are there no alternative routes?
I think you will sing a different tune when you have to wait 1hr 40 mins to get on the bus. I read the papers this morning and was shocked that SMRT is aware of the overcrowding situation but yet is still in "monitoring" mode. It really looks like they are lost for a solution and is no longer in control of the situation.
Me: from the name, i thought this vid would be a man running after a bus and actually catching up onto it
To commenters saying that the MRT is there, please realise that the ride to choa chu kang alone is an hour's journey on train. What about the people who live bukit panjang ? LRT ride from choa chu kang to Fajar is 28minutes. 1hour 40minutes of train ride or 50 minutes bus ride(considering the jam in PIE) ?
I used to do this also before in some crowded buses, the driver will ask you to tap in front, exit, and enter again from the back door because the people in the middle usually dont want to move further in
It's either smrt add another bus from CCk to the city, or create buses like 190A which stops at alternative stops throughout the whole journey. It not only solves the problem of packed buses, it also helps smrt cut costs. This can be implemented during the peak hours only.
I remembered many years ago where there were competitions, bus drivers used to tell passengers to move in to make room.
Thanks for sharing.
Gosh, totally understand the pain of taking 190. It only seems possible if you board the bus anywhere before 313 somerset, afterwhich, it's always crowded as hell.
That is why I now resign my fate to taking the train which last 45 minutes to an hour each trip just to go to school.
190 is very frequent, despite the frequency, it gets packed like mad in orchard.
I do feel your frustration cuz I had to squeeze up the bus to school last time. And the bus is far more packed than bus 190 but the bus driver allowed us to do so. But it was really dangerous as it was probably 3x more than the max weight allowed on the bus. What's worse is teachers do not take "unable to squeeze up bus" as an excuse and they just ask you to "leave your house one hour earlier". Of course that can be done but there are no buses at 5am LOL.
any difference after the Downtown Mrt Line started operating?
Faster..
Also people refuses to go to back to bus, it very frustrating either off work or going to work. I remember I wait a similar crowded bus but I wait for hours to end until I end up taking another transport. We need more buses man!
I wonder it is realli true tat u can't board the bus. From ur video, there r still some space 4 u to board. Y ah u choze not to board??? Can gif a good answer...?
this is actually the first time i have heard that 190 is so packed that people have to wait 13 buses before being able to board them. I have taken them at night before. But i guess I boarded it in the earlier stops. So I didn't have any issues with that.
+Galaxnite Are There Other Service To Choa Chu Kang Interchange?
now there is 972 from city to bt panjang
That's because of this video that there is now 972. If not, there would not be 972.
if the person lives in yishun and work at Chua chu kang do you think he can cycle all that way back?
Hello 190 is changed drastically over the past few years using only single and double decks and the passenger ridership has decreased
我觉得问题不出于车长的问题，是为何人们不能自动往后移呢？因为每个都在想我多几个站就下车了，退太后等一下很难下车。
190 is the only bus from Chinatown to Choa Chu Kang?
Yeah, it's the only direct route.
Also, consider those who are disabled, the elderly and those with children. Switching buses or MRT stations can be an inconvenience for these ppl. With a direct bus to their homes (most commuters at this bus stop live in CCK and Bukit Panjang), it's a regular choice they make. Can you imagine how much an agony this is for them to go through daily?
I thought i was here to watch the lady in the dress. 🤣
Experienced this many times on 190 so I totally understand the frustration. While I agree that bus drivers can help by prompting people to move in (not referring to buses which are too crowded), personally, I am more frustrated with those on the bus. Why do we need to be prompted before we move in? I am sure all of us on bus 190 went through this once so why cant we be more considerate? A small step taken by everyone could have made someone's day better & that someone could be you in the future!
At least you guys don't have snow there :P Here in Canada, if that ever happens during the winter, I'd be freezing my a** off.
I would rather freeze my ass off than waiting for an bus
2 Gens 3 Buses - Raymond Believe me, you wouldn't... Temperatures here during the winter can get as cold as -30°C or even less. Luckily, cars here are more affordable, so I don't really need to take the bus that much.
If cars were affordable in sg than it would be exactly like that: the bus being sg and the people being the cars
i wpuld not wait for 14 trains. i will walk
+No Username that train sure looks a hell lot like a bus
Bus driver should be empowered to scold passengers who don't move in.
I'm sure many passengers of bus 190 appreciate the uploader for making a big hoo-haa here. People were boarding the bus from the back door. You know where else people enter buses from back doors ? Countries where the transportation systems are so bad that people have to climb in, hop on, jump into in however, whatever they can. Service 190 definitely can be improved. There's nothing wrong with pinpointing an obvious problem.
this bus doesnt seem too bad (!) I watched a programme on the japan underground where there was literally no room at all and people were squeezing themselves in lol
(2)and even more will get on the bus at somerset. Since i work at orchard road, i take the bus from the stop right behind ION and during peak hours it will take atleast 3 buses before i can board, or i will just entirely give up and take the longer-route 700 instead.
1. On every bus when people tap in or out, the total number of persons on the bus is known in real time. If we know the type and therefore capacity of the bus we can know how often it is packed.
2. The EZ-link device on board can be programmed to send a signal to a control each time the bus is say 80% full.
3. A sample of the more crowded bus routes can be tested. An algorithm can be developed to be predictive, so that more buses can be deployed along those routes.
I'm Italian and I think IT'S RIDICOLOUS!! In my city buses have normally 3 doors... the 1st is an entrance, the 2nd is an exit and the 3rd is not used... when buses are overcrowed the drivers use the 3rd doors and they become another entrances...
We are already in the making of a 3 door bus that is not currently in service yet but they have already reviewed it... you can search it on CZcams
I may live in the East, but you have my sympathies. If it is not overcrowded buses with inconsiderate people who refuse to move, it is the frequencies that are rarely accurate.
You know, if you are familiar with the bus route, it is possible to walk further up and board the bus at an earlier point of the route. I used to do that before I had my knee problems. The only drawback is having to spend more money on the fare journey, but you are in a hurry, I think that extra money is worth spending.
Aiyoh previous bus stop is behind ION there leh... some ppl just want to go home and rest, not walk endlessly some more. FYI this was also the same bus stop that was overflowing to the brim the first time the MRT broke down around 2012...
It's all a matter of "take it or leave it". If you want to go home early, what's wrong with sweating out a little more. Otherwise, bo pian loh.
I liked the back doors mechanism of the Mercedes-Benz Hispano Habit
and don't forget the bus wasn't full yet still empty.
Currently in 2024 , which 971 got discontinued , 190 , 972 and DTL are trying to ease the controls , slightly better transport nowadays
Those ladies saying the bus won't stop are just stupid,the bus had reached maximum capacity and if driver were suppose to stop and pick them, it will be dangerous, so you either take another service or take taxi
They need a replica of bus 190. Also, buses like 38 and 48 are extremely popular, but if you don't get on at the first few stops there's literally no space left because they are all single decker buses, even though I'm sure double-deck buses can be deployed
Yeah I last rode 38 it was really crowded but I was on the front seat luckily
For 38, there is a flyover that definitely looks like a DD restriction.
For 48, DD buses have been deployed.
2 years late to the party but to my knowledge 38 only has SDs just bc of lower(?) ridership and high duplication, since all its roads have DDs plying it too it's not a height restriction thing @@calvinkulit
@@placeholderblankspacecould confirm, 9, 12 and 20 have DDs and pass through that same flyover
Thank goodness the DTL2 and route 972 exists
good job, galaxnite!
I think it's about time they get bi-articulated buses :P
Haha yea
It would still be overcrowded
We in Estonia have bi-articulated trolleybuses, if Solaris makes one more model for SG, then... i think they open trolleybus svc 190...:P
Those who suggest alternative transport is as good as saying:
- Can't take bus > take MRT
- MRT crowded with breakdowns > take taxi
- taxi expensive > ride bicycle
- SG too crowded and bicycle journey so long > move to JB
At least my video has finally made SMRT to look at their rotten services after all these yrs and do something, not your opinions
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You have to shout... OEI !!!! BEHIND NO GHOST !!!! PLEASE MOVE IN !!!!
what SMRT can do is to get regular updates from all their bus drivers with regards to how crowded the buses can get on certain routes. their drivers will know best what they have to go through on a daily basis.
Well done, Ms Galaxnite. I congrat U for having the patience and wisdom to film this and to send to the relevant bodies. Otherwise, these SMRT officials are still day dreaming about life at the ground. I cannot believe their last sentence at their official statement - "We will monitor closely the situation..." WTF!? What's there to monitor? This is already a damn fact that your bus 190 is insufficient! I am shocked by Singaporeans till this day unwillingness to move to back of bus. Shit.
The people who try and force themselves into the bus from the rear and manually try to pry the doors open should be fined. I mean, if you manual pry the doors they can break the mechanism, and if they enter from the rear, got almost no chance that they will actually tap in/out what
The purpose of the video is to show how inconvenient it is to take the bus of your choice. Bus 190 has long been a problematic, crowded bus and it's time this has to be addressed.
I also have a problem one day in Bus service 941 at the bus stop near Princess Elizebeth Primary School where so many Bt Batok Sec Sch Students were boarding, also the bus became so crowded that I couldn't even alight at my destination and had to alight at the next bus stop.
This was before the route amendment of service 941 which allows me for quicker destination with the addition of bus stops along
Bukit Batok West Ave 8.
Since there are Enviro 500s and MAN A24 nowadays, i don't think it would be that packed.
:( I feel you. I think my sanity minus 100% lo if i were you. More than 1hr leh!!
We did. It's just not seen in video since I have to pause the filming each time I tried to queue or squeeze in. Bear in mind u are witnessing 7.50 mins of a 1hr40min experience, and thru a small phone screen, so u obviously can't see the full situation behind it.
you're very lucky,within 1 hr 40 min got 14 buses(190) pass by...if in malaysia,you only can get 2 or 3 with this hours...dont complaint,just appreciate what you have...
This problem is not mainly because the inconsiderate people or the lack of buses, it is the overcrowding in Singapore. Even if you take the MRT, it will still be packed. Everywhere, it will be packed at peak hours. There's a reason why they named it peak hours right? Although I live in the East, I also experience this problem with other bus service no. I feel you Galaxnite.
lol the people boarding the 4th bus
People shouldn't just go around and try to jump into the bus just because they need to go home. The number of fare invaders... The driver should have closed the door regardle
I understand your frustrations and exasperations...maybe they should staggered the buses or start some of the service at downstream during peak hours.
at last...after all these years...will there be hope for CCK 190 commuters?
You saw some space at the back, then cant you gesture them to move?
you can't blame bus captain . they can't see the back + they can't stop for too long Cuz of timing
(3)if the bus is full by the time is reaches orchard how the people who are going to get on it at the final stop before it leaves orchard road(thong teck building, as filmed in the video) ? what ? no need to take bus already ? and did i mention that even more are waiting outside Raffles town club, the stop right before expressway.
OMG! Those are the most crowded buses I've ever seen!
I think the best part of ur video is being able to proof dat all these desperate ppl who tried to board the bus thru the back exit deserve it. And they still wanna take pic to complain? Damn ugly sight.
i think it is bad that SMRT only takes action after this video became viral. as a regular public transport user myself, i am very sure that bus service 190 is not a unique case.
Hehe that's why I would always walk all the way to cathay just to board 190
this is actually good news bcos the more crowded lta would put bendy
My lecturer used to say, anything is possible, sky is the limit, i suggest you contact him.
And this is why I take another bus (700/171) back to BP/CCK. Either wait for it, take MRT, cab or drive. And the gahmen still dare to increase to 6+million people.
DTL killed 700.
No public transport in the world is perfect, I am from Bogotá, Colombia and something similar is lived.
I couldn't agree more.
Old video, now with 972, more buses and the DTL, scenes like this is well, rare.
972 happened as a result of this video
Galaxnite your video also got on MediaCorp News 5
@@Galaxnite DTL Stage 2 and SMRT's Double Decker Buses happened.
i have seen quite a few times where the bus drivers asked the passengers to move to the rear, but the passengers won't move at all. So what to do? The drivers have to keep driving. As for me, i always like to move to the end. so much space, no need to smell others' body odors and always first to get a seat.
And this how bendy buses were eliminated
If the driver dont want to open the door, just pull the emergency door unlocking
For old buses: It can only be opened with the emergency switch from the inside. new buses: inside or outside also can. SMRT's buses are easier to get into with emergency switches
The Ministry of Transport needs to address this!!
(4) i'll be damned if its wrong to board from the exit door, im not waiting for 5 buses just so i can board the freaking bus.
Bus stopping when its already fully loaded is no use. It will just cause the existing to be even longer. Bus driver calling the passengers to move back is also a waste of time at every stop, esp when bus is already almost full anyway. A 1 hour journey time can be increased to 2 hrs easily with all the stopping and shouting.