Universal Sovereignty: Jehovah Can't Handle a Bully
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- čas přidán 17. 09. 2022
- When challenged by a bully.... his own 'son'... Jehovah decided to 'take the challenge' and let the bully torture all of his children to get a point across. Let's take a look at the details of this cornerstone doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses and learn how Jehovah's name means more to him than anything else....
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If this isn't the final nail in the coffin, I don't know what is
Agree! This falls apart faster than 1914! oh.....wait LOL
Stacey you’re amazing, you deserve a million subscribers !! The Real Bully didn’t just die a few thousand years ago. He never existed…
Oh the irony! He did Gustav! He, the Boogeyman and Humpty Dumpty are in a bar in the Caribbean. They're very real LOL
Exactly, we're told to hate violence, not even watch it, but our Father watches it every day.
Excellent talk brother! 👏
You were working on
counsel point 45
Illustrations/examples that teach . . .Very good. You can move on to the next counsel point. We look forward to your next part. 😂
LOL, LOVE IT....that made me laugh.....you have a GREAT memory, thank you!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I was hoping that would make you laugh. 🤪
@@smy74 🤣 it did!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I'll have to admit I had to look up your "counsel point" in the benefit from theocratic ministry school book 2002 online. 😆 I could never have remembered all of the 53 counsel points.
@@smy74 🤣🤣me neither!!
This one was powerful and probably the most triggering for many of us who were raised in our era Stacy ! Mainly because they don’t emphasize his sovereignty as much anymore . But you are so right , it just never really made any sense that he’d allow a bully to just abuse and torture his creations when he has the power to stop it ! The JW’s doctrine is just so flawed but that cognitive dissidence is a beast , just doesn’t allow most witnesses to really think things thru (it’s amazing because we were there at one time)
Thank you so much Truth!! It's truly totally insane in every way.
Half way through I'm thinking, how sad. We are nothing more than turf in a celestial gang war.
Whoa, that comment gave me goosebumps. You nailed it Gary. So.....well.......said.
The thing that used to always bother me about this is, that if it was never recorded, NO ONE WOULD’VE KNOWN THIS HAPPENED. Literally no one was privy to the conversation except J-dog and some angels and who were they gonna tell? Humans would’ve never been the wiser, we would’ve only known him as “creator dude” and would’ve just been cool with him by proxy. There would’ve never been a need to PROVE his importance if he would’ve kept his mouth shut about Satan’s challenge in the first place 🙄
🤣🤣🤣 excellent point. All humanity is in the balance....good thing someone (who exactly?) jotted this scene down.....it was an awfully quick conversation, huh? Oh "hey Job, no pressure"......LOL
I’ve been binging your videos and they are so easy to listen to. I appreciate how well you express yourself! This has always bothered me. I woke up around the time of the awful Texas school shooting a few months ago and it really hit me (having three young babies starting school this fall) and I couldn’t stop myself from thinking jehovah is just sitting there letting this happen. All just to “sanctify” his own name. He’s watching babies die and does nothing. We didn’t ask to be here we didn’t ask to be part of this stupid war between him and satan. So we have to suffer just so he can prove himself right??! So selfish and mean!
Thank you so much Aly, I'm so bad at finding all these great posts. You and I think the same way!!
I was born in, never agreed to study or get baptized. At age 12 I thought none of it made any sense. By age 14 when refusing to participate in the congregation's delusions I was marked bad association so couldn't even have a girl my age want to be around me. I had to sit in a kingdom hall 3 days a week knowing I was not wanted or liked. Being a victim of child abuse during this time made me also question everything such as why are these God appointed people not helping me and I'm very sensitive to the story of "here torture and kill" my kid when God just let his son be humiliated,tortured and killed. Children from abuse like me could never be converted to Christianity simply because of that. I was expected to admire Jehovah for his poor treatment of his son as I'm getting abused for years as a child then marked bad because I just can't think like the other kids in the congregation. I ran away from home 9 days before my 16th birthday and that is how I got out of an abusive JW home and out of the cult.
Goddamn it sucks to hear this. This is why I dont just blame the Watchtower. Sure it is the umbrella of malignant ideas but people who harm children don't get to blame the shadows or some unseen force. Assholes are assholes even if they have the blessing of their God. You struck a nerve. Thanks for sharing.
I echo Phil's comments to your story. I'm so sorry A.....just incredible to ever treat a little child this way. It defies my brain and I tend to get very angry hearing these stories. You've been through A LOT....and you're still here. Testimony to your strength, but it doesn't excuse what you endured!
wow just wow
Such great logic. Why couldn’t I see this for the first 50 years of my life ?😭
Trust me, you weren't alone!! I often laugh due to me wondering the same thing about myself!
Stacy, I’m not sure what it takes out of you to get these messages to us, but truly I appreciate the healing affect it has on me & many others 💕 Thank you
That is very kind, thank you so much, means the world to me! So many of us hurting from this 'religion' and desperately want to help people heal and avoid it!
Hi Stacy are you an atheist now?
@@Womanmad1 I'm actually a little more 'open' than that, closer to agnostic. I'm willing to learn and consider spirituality without shutting every door. I definitely do not believe in Jehovah :)
I’m so glad to see another video from you! I look forward to hearing what you have to say! Besides your very soothing voice, I totally love your humor! I grew up in the org close to the same time as you.
I always felt confused about being told that I HAVE to love Jehovah when he just seemed like a monster and bully to me. It didn’t make sense to me that he had all these big wonderful plans of paradise, but just left me suffering day in and day out. A lot of things didn’t make sense to me and always felt that something was seriously wrong with this religion. I’d constantly question things, especially when they’d take verses out of context within the WT or book study. In my preteen & early teenage years, the elders eventually told my parents to not allow me to read the Bible unsupervised. But the elders actually started “counseling” me beginning around age 5 (alone in the library) because I was such a disobedient child! They’d tell me that I’d better hope & pray that Armageddon didn’t come that night because Jehovah was going to destroy me for sure! They also told my mom that it was her fault that my stepdad was so violent and would praise him for not “sparing the rod”. One of the elders was so kind as to make a big wooden paddle, complete with holes for that extra sting, to keep in the furnace room downstairs for all the dads to beat their kids with! And this was another thing that confused me… these people were our “friends”??? And I’m supposed to WANT to spend Forever with these people?! Of course, I got in more trouble for saying so, but by the time I was about 8, I told them that I hope I do die in Armageddon and hope there is a hell because I’d rather burn there than live with them forever. I think back now and honestly wonder how I survived! Why wasn’t that a huge red flag to anyone that an 8 year old was suicidal?! Thankfully my parents quit attending regularly when I was 13/14. They still fully believed at that time, but it took some stress off to not have to go to the hall and prepare for the meetings or service. My heart breaks for the kids in there now! My own children, all adults now, have never set foot inside a Kingdom Hall!
Sorry to ramble! 😅This was a triggering video! I really do enjoy listening to you though! I think the cursing is absolutely justified! You were obviously one of the good ones in the org! I’m so glad you got out! Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to create content! ❤
I'm so sorry for all that you suffered as a child just unforgivable. I hope you have found some sort of peace my heart goes out to you 💖
Not allowed to read the Bible unsupervised. I dont know what is more impressive, you're sharpness, you're rebellion or their pure stupidity. An elder getting swatted around theologically by an 8 year old girl is the kinda story I love.
Thank you for sharing your experience. Believe me it will help others. It is also very therapeutic!
Thank you Rachelle, you're too kind, it means a lot!! Your story made me sick to my stomach, it's outrageous!!!! That is full on abuse in so many ways....I'm horrified! At my core, I do this hoping it helps just one person, but I'm especially interested in sparing little ones from this abusive cult. It almost always comes out of my mouth every episode. I'm sickened by what they do to innocent little minds! Like you, my only son is OUT, so I'm glad your kids never took to it! Thank you for being here!
@@lizzidpeepole AGREE!
My issue with the ransom is since it has been paid, why does it all still continue. Should it not have all ended at that point?
This is your best episode ❤ This subject is what woke me up. This and 99,9% of mankind would be slaughtered.... for what? Prove his name??? To who? The angels? Wouldn't they already know his caracter?
Thank you Marita!! LOL, exactly!!! It's one of my favorite 'subjects' too.....it's a massive wake up call when you start to unpack it. But I must admit, the episode dropping this week is also one of my favorites 'wake up' calls! ;)
Thank you for stating it like it really is. I agree. I figure a real "creator" would simply want his "creation" to be happy. No worship necessary. Worship seems to be an ego thing. Who could love a monster god as described in the bible? Not me.
So true Esther. It's a real conundrum. The discrepancy between the old testament god vs. the new testament god is VAST!
Surviving, I loved this one. My thoughts exactly! And you added a couple new gems to my own arsenal. Great illustration. I just cant tolerate seeing suffering. I reached a point in my life, after seeing a darling, funny as heck, little 6 yr old girl, get a rare virus, that left her seizing so violently to this day, that she has to go to the hospital to be put out, so she can rest! 💔 They removed half of her brain to try to stop it. Her family, not JW's, prayed & fasted. Salt of the earth people, who claim me as family, while my own shuns me. That did it for me! What kind of an sob allows this torture to clear their "good" name! Centuries of torture! Shame on him!
You asked us about handling bullies. I grew up w/ 4 brothers & my parents best friends family of 7 boys. Im a petite woman who has spent my life working with horses & other animals. I have faced bears, alone, in the wilderness. No matter how scared you are, you never turn your back, & never run. You cant panic, you have to keep thinking. I have had a dog in field service go for my throat. I shoved my bible down its throat, stomped my foot & yelled at him to "go lay down!" He did. A horse can flatten me. Ive dealt w/ wild stallions & severely abused horses. You show tender kindness & make them move their feet before you move your own. Most bullies will back down as soon as you stand up to them. When you are god, NO CONTEST, right? I cant find a single excuse for him.
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It sounds like we are very similar Heather! That story broke my heart, that poor girl!!! Love that people like you are helping her where you can and it sure exposes the hypocrisy of JW's. Imagine thinking that standing mindlessly in front of a book cart is more living that truly helping that girl!!!!! I just can't reconcile this stuff with a 'god of love'.....it doesn't compute. At all. My aunt was a champion Morgan breeder, love horses!!!! I'm sure having those brothers taught you how to deal with a bully!
As a kid growing up in the JW community I always said to my self “ this does not make any fucken sense”
You weren't alone!!
I found this also very confusing just could not get my head around it. All this pain an suffering because someone was wanting to prove a point. It takes a long time to start loving oneself again after being brainwashed by a bully , but the journey of healing from religious abuse gives one there sanity back , we may not have the answers to our deep questions, but we have ourselves back an that is priceless,. Thanks 💖
YES! It's okay to not have all the answers. It's much worse to believe someone that loves us wouldn't do everything in his power to keep us from harm! Thanks louise!
I absolutely love your videos. I work from home and every Monday morning it’s the first thing that listen to. My husband who was never part of this cult enjoys them as well. It’s my favorite podcast. Keep them coming. ❤❤❤
Awww, thank you Denise, that means a ton!! And I love that your husband enjoys it too!!
Every time I listen to you, I realize how "thinking" ex-JWs all come to fairly the same conclusion on just about every WTS topic. I am so glad you covered this topic. Boy, I could not agree more with your observations about this topic. As a consequence of my own obserations, I have often expressed to my still in wife, I would have handled this so-called challenge to Jehovah's Sovereignty totally different because the love I have for my creation would NOT permit me to put them through hell, with all its suffering. And, if I am truly created by god, how is it that I feel I have greater love than god?
Thanks Joe, glad I have some folks who think like I do! The entire teaching of Universal Sovereignty is just absurd and borderline childish. Like everything they teach people, it's some lame attempt to explain the unexplainable...because it isn't real! There is no well adjust life form.....whether human or animals....that sits back and watches their offspring tortured and killed on a second to second loop, all day, every day. But Jehovah's does? It's just so dumb. An insult to a thinking person.
It's amazing how common sense and logic will draw so many of us to the same conclusions. Remove the whispering propaganda in your ear and suddenly it all comes into focus.
@@Eric_01 It's incredible, isn't it? the weekly schedule of brainwashing, the endless literature, the lack of education....they know what they're doing
@@survivingparadisepodcast Yes, I recall when I first mentioned my doubts to my mother, she said that it was due to my not having been to any meetings for so long. I said, yes, that is correct. And that if constant babble from the platform was required in order for these things to make any sense, then there lies the problem.
I am not a JW and never was. But i was told many times that bullies lose the interest in bullying if you don't give them attention. And yes, it works in many cases. If you don't give them attention they stop bullying as they lose the interest in it. Bullies feed themeslves on attention they get.
YES, you're right! The wisest, Almighty Creator of all things decided this was the best plan? Hurt my kids to prove a point? It's INSANE
@@survivingparadisepodcast oh, i understand. It is insane.
My thoughts on this subject are well-documented. Good coverage. I think you, Harrison and I should get together and go bowling sometime. 😀
Thanks Mike! Bowling is on the radar....with some adult beverages. Love it!
Since my wake up all my doubts bursted about this universal sovereignty too, I also had same questions like you said and am so proud I am brave enough to raise my voice too on comments. Something extremely wrong was this God and thank you for explaining very well with illustration. And listening today, I thought the story of Lot, this Lot who tried to give his daughters to the mob is actually the image of this God. No wonder Lot’s story needed to be written in this horrific book.
So true L H! I'm going to be touching on the whole life of Lot very, very soon ;)
@@survivingparadisepodcastHi, that will be interesting, thank you for your voice and spotted points.
Great job, you made me think about the "keep your eyes on the prize" campaign days. Maybe a future topic title for you to consider. Always Appreciate listening to you.
Great idea!! Thank you for listening!
You are SPOT ON with this illustration - spot on!
Thanks Joe!! I have a STRONG aversion for bullies!!! As a kid, I was in plenty of fights with people picking on the smaller or handicapped or new kid. But I didn't learn it from Jehovah....he apparently can't handle a bully.....even when it's his own kid!!! LOL....so absurd.
It's an affront to any normal human being with a normal sense of right and wrong for any group to claim universal sovereignty as an excuse for behavior that even to a child reeks of moral bankruptcy. I have used this argumentation with a JW friend who promptly told me that I had no right to question Jehovah's' universal sovereignty (damn that's a hard word to spell!), when I was talking about how the book of Job is one of the most morally repugnant stories ever told. It's very sad, this cult has turned her into an uncaring robot. I then told her that she needed to readjust her own moral compass. It's sad that otherwise empathetic people would give a pass to such an easily exposed morally bereft worldview. It's frightening and maddening and sure as hell pisses me off whenever I hear it. Your video DEFINITELY pushed my buttons and we are talking about a lifelong atheist here! So well done!!! Keep 'em coming!!!
I understand Muscle!!! One source of true sadness is asking a JW serious questions about this belief/story and watching the cognitive dissonance take over their facial expression. They truly have given up all thinking ability to a publishing company. They're checked out. It can be so frustrating. And YES.....I had trouble spelling it too LOL LOL
God has waited so long to prove his sovereignty, that many many many people just do not have faith at all anymore! And of course who gets blamed and destroyed, the human race, as my Sister said we were always taught not to watch anything with violence in it, however God and his angels supposedly watch violence everyday, and everywhere throughout the world, and it’s perfectly okay for them…
Right?? If you don't want to see violence, don't read the Bible or look at the Bible Stories Book LOL..... with new people born daily, I wonder what the plan is on not ONE person doubting him....... 😕
Thank you for doing this!
Thank YOU for listening Pamela!
Great talk and I love hearing you laugh and trying to hold back laughter at the absurdity of it all 😂. Your the best Stacey so entertaining and informative
Thank you so much LR!!!
My PIMI mom have had so many long disputes about Job...the concept is nuts..
And her entire life is based on this 'story'.....everything she does is for "Jehovah's name"....giving her life to a publishing company, believing talking to people who disagree is apostasy, standing by a cart all day.......it all comes from this 'drama' ;(
When making this ridiculous doctrine Jehovahs witnesses failed to realize that letting people suffer for your name actually makes you look worse than just getting rid of the bully.
It's just incredible that anyone would buy this explanation. It truly shows "jehovah's" character
👋🏼 Good morning 🌞 Wow! Your storytelling abilities are amazing!!! May you live long, continue to prosper and make as many people as possible reason their way out of this and any other coercive religious organizations. Much respect and well wishes for you and yours. 👍🏼❤
Thank you so much D Y....I appreciate you!
You really turned this topic into beautiful poetry, well stated!
Thank you so much Ashera!
Swear and curse away! 😃
I'm trying my hand at 'self control' ;)
Hey surviving paradise, keep up the good work love this channel.
Thanks cold, I appreciate you taking the time to listen!!
This! Even if it was the truth I wouldn't worship that narcissistic monster.
Many feel the same way!
It is a wonder that they haven't put out, Theocratic Armageddon War games for the JW kids. Who knows if it is not in their pipeline. $$$$$$$'s Their books are bad and scary enough for children.. Thank you Stacy, appreciate very much what you do.
Great illustration! To add to it if you don't mind is this. The strong rich dad's kids are not only allowed to be bullied, tortured, but they are allowed to have children. And he's the kicker their kids know nothing of what is going on, yet they are also allowed to be tortured. In fact they have a "choice" remain getting tortured to "prove" Jehovah's sovereignty or join the rebel and die. Full disclosure I believe in the bible and God however this is a subject that JW'S do not understand. For that matter many Christians. This cannot be the reason as to why there is suffering. What is wrong with saying:"we just don't know."
Great extension of the thought! You summed it up well "what's wrong with not knowing every answer"....that alone brought me great relief
Stacy, You mean Jehovah will destroy me for questioning the gb but will not destroy Satan for questioning him for over 6k years?
LOL LOL, very good point Huston......VERY good point
Just started listening and know I am going to like it...this is probably the pinnacle of what I just never understood..
Thanks Andi....one of my favorite pet subjects on the absurdity of JW's....just so stupid
Thank you, for not having any annoying background music.
Thank you for listening, we are always open to suggestions!
They have a bully mentality it ran rampant I saw it all the time in the organization.
Yes the entire culture is overt bullying!
Wow, what a magnificent illustration. T4s
Thanks you Regina!!!
So in the story of Job when his children are killed by a windstorm, satan must of had control of the natural elements to be able to do that.
I ran out of time and had a LOOOOONNGGGG list of problems with this 'story'......EXCELLENT POINT......god gave Satan control of weather patterns. Kinda like we give a kid the remote control, right? I mean, Satan already continued to hang out in heaven during that time....... just hilarious!
G for illustrations continues
Yes, Stacey, Europe is known as the Catholic Europe, where Rome (Emperor Constatine) established the Religion of Catholism much in the manner of 'Mithiraism' a popular religion in it's day. Constantine was the first Pope (Father) of the new religion . One religion/ One Empire! What part of the world you are born in you will worship in the manner of your parents. The Cannite people (JEWs) wrote what we call the Old testament is full of so much BS! Just like the NEW Testament! I spent twenty years of wasted life as a JW and then started my own research...Well presented Stacey...:^)
So true Dale! Great research....and once we get our heads out of the juvenile WT publications, we realize we've been 'taken!'
My Mom and Aunt are PIMI (they aren't supposed to talk to me, and my Aunt won't, she tells my mom to tell me) but when I tell them they are morally better than Jehovah and I mention all the topics you covered they say, "Jehovah created us, he created EVERYTHING, so he can do anything he wants." Or "We may never understands God's ways." Or "You are such an apostate!".... It is difficult for me to know that I echoed the same statements at one point. I wonder why some of us wake up to this bullshit and some of us don't?
:( I hate that your family is doing anything but loving you. So sorry Liv. Isn't it incredible to see the depth of cognitive dissonance and what it does to smart people?? Logic goes out the window. It's tragic. Your last question is one I've never been able to answer either, but I think younger generations will have an easier time seeing through the BS
You and I think alike. I has the same questions as an teen
Love your explanation about "A BULLY".
I so wish I had contact with my "blood related family and friends", it is and has to be understood by all jw's!
Thanks for the trigger warnings even though like yourself the warning didn't 100% work however I managed to stick it out.
Thank you Rochelle! I'm so sorry about your family! Full disclosure: on the trigger warnings, I find that it rarely helps, but I try. It's for me as well.....I really get upset thinking about some of this abusive garbage!
@@survivingparadisepodcast Thank you Stacy.
I take my hat off to you for actually telling these gruesome abusive truths. It is unbelievable.
Please don't stop if you can debrief after the videos, trigger warnings or not I am still preparing myself to somehow take all this sickening information to my Australian Government to update them!
Hugs and peaceful calm to you. :)
@@rochelle_johnston2703 Thank you Rochelle, I appreciate you! The Australian Royal Commission situation is landmark
@@survivingparadisepodcast Yep Yep Yep
It is awesome how already a few European Countries have prohibited shunning and taken away charity status's.
Amazing what happens when JW teachings are subjected to critical thinking!!!
......followed by 'questioning' these teachings results in you losing everyone/everything you love. Can we say.......Cult?
FYI, I am glad you provided the warnings re triggering. This was waaay too much for me and I stopped at abt 20:00. Other than that (and you were right!) your videos are excellent-🙏
This is without a doubt the most powerful and important of any of your videos! I had very similar thoughts growing up but you have just vocalized them perfectly. The question of sovereignty was actually already answered in Genesis when God flooded the earth. Obviously man couldn’t govern themselves so he killed them all 😂 why not send Jesus down right after the flood or bring around a paradise if the question was already answer that he is the only one fit to rule 🤔 (obviously the flood didn’t actually happen but you get what I’m tryna say) anyhow incredible video!!
Thank you Yappy!! FANTASTIC POINT on the Flood, another one of my favorite subjects to show how absurd it all is! Thank you so much for sharing that thought, I'll add that to my own thoughts down the road!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast thanks Stacy!! Another great point in Gods own inspired word. James 1:17- whoever knows what’s right and doesn’t do it, it is a SIN for him. If us mere humans can recognize the right thing to do with a bully why can’t God. Gods sin is knowing what was right but not doing it.
@@Yappy2099 In all honesty, James is my favorite book in the Bible and it doesn't fit most of the rest of the book! It's not a coincidence that they mothballed that book and never studied that book!
I know that this side point isn't pertinent to the video, but how about Lot trying to give his daughters over to the crowd that wanted to have sex with the angels? God said not to commit fornication, & yet here is a "righteous" man trying to turn his daughters over for fornication!!! The contradictions in the bible are astounding!
I didn't understand if you said that you are agnostic, or aren't. I'm an exjw and find your podcasts to be exceptionally perspective. Also, you are obviously intelligent. That being said, I'm curious as to if you still can believe in a God .
Hi Danette, thank you so much! BIG, big conversation for me personally. I lean towards being agnostic and found comfort in not having to have all the answers. I believe in 'something' but not sure what that is....I'm passionately curious!
But you were an elder, you (according to repetition for emphasis)taught these doctrines from the podium week after week, and now you are agnostic?
Great art clippings. Blast from the past!
Thanks Phil, straight nostalgia for some of us!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I wasn't sure where our journey was going then it hit me. Wow what an illustration.
@@survivingparadisepodcast I needed a laugh tonight, tripped on this just as it uploaded and I am having a good chuckle.
@@lizzidpeepole I'm glad!! This one makes me laugh a lot....but I felt a little intense!
@@lizzidpeepole Thanks Phil, just my personal take on the whole 'teaching'......it's been with me since I was a kid. Even a kid can see the many problems with the entire thing
9:51 Shin!
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According to their teaching Jehovah did not create a bully. The bully made himself a bully, just as a thief made himself a thief. He may have came from a good home, with good parents, but his quest for power and to look like someone you can emulate (in front of his peers) he became a bully. Remember that? Absolutely last comment.
8:10 Jehovah was challenged to an intellectual debate and chose violence.
How about, "How *dare* you even think of laying a finger on my children? How dare you try to drag them into this when your problem is with *me*?"
I mean, I'd have my father's back if he put himself between me and someone trying to turn us both into tools like that (aka, DOING HIS JOB), but maybe that's just me...
55:38 This is our answer. What kind of parent, instead of building a relationship with their family where members find comfort and peace in their presence, has their family so terrified of the parent's judgement that they spend the last two weeks of their life being a "model" tortured child?
YES!!! A million times YES!! And we are just a couple of imperfect people arriving at your conclusion....the designer of everything doesn't have serious emotions about someone suggesting he hurt all of his children until further notice?????? It's beyond absurd Tre!
yhwh’s reaction goes back to the times where gods were challenged by other gods (in the mind of believers)! The devil story came up under Zoroastrian influence. What makes the jw beliefs so crazy is that you have to accept as truth and historical all these legends about Eden, Adam, the Snake…this seems impossible nowadays for anyone who is educated and non indoctrinated from childhood
Well said! It really needs to be covered here, including Jehovah's name being directly tied to a Baal god......so much to cover!
'good' thing watchtower is here to reveal this deep thing of God to us, because I, for one, sure don't find it in the Bible.
🤣 so true Mark!!
😂 Really food for thought! Whatever your opinion one thing is for definite the JW thing is not it! Until the next episode be well!
Thanks Bronco! Ramping up lol!
The part that makes the least sense to me is that the humans were not left to govern themselves to prove Satan wrong. Jehovah allowed Satan to govern the 'world' the humans live in and jehovah punshes/blesses the humans depending on who they 'choose' to 'worship'; BUT, the challenge Satan made was humans didnt need a god so....?
Yup
One of MANY great points! Not to mention, if humans were supposed to govern themselves, why was Jehovah always getting involved?? The flood? Tower of Babel??
@@survivingparadisepodcast Oh yes that too! Even in present day Jehovahs Witnesses proclaim "we see Jehovah's hand" intervening quite often!
👋🏼 Jehovah… our main Imaginary Friend…🤪🤪🤪
.......he's watching you.........😉
Stacey I appreciate your podcast, but this is my last comment because i need to heal from years of abuse i have suffered at the hands of bully elders, their wives, and the live tools (believe it or not from the world) that they have employed (some locals from the neighborhood)to make my life pure hell. I gave my letter of disassociation last saturday because at age 67 i want a little happiness before i die. In 1 of your podcast i mentioned that the JWs persecute their own people and that is TRUE. I was persecuted relentlessly by them because at age 46 i dared to go to nursing school here in brooklyn ny because i did not want to starve later in life. 1 elder told me that i will be persecuted until i die. I was called bad association and crazy. I was isolated, slandered, and treated as though i had the dreaded plague. I was even followed on the subway, and my professors were told awful things about me. BY JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. I can go into some details that will make your head spin like the exorcist, sŕo when i say some of the persecution comes from within, trusts me, IT COMES FROM THE ORGANIZATION. Even at places of employment. One witness who had an uncle in the nursing home where i worked said to me, "why did you let someone steal your fire?" I almost gave her a tongue lashing, but i kept my peace. I walked off the job about 6 weeks ago because i was bullied by a supervisor, and 2 JW nurses on the floor who had the elders' blessing. Again, thanks for your podcasts, i know they will help people. Another disturbing truth, the bible states that Jehovah is not unrighteous to forget your works or the love you showed for his name. But the organization does forget because the elders do forget. With a bunch of children to feed and care for, i had a book study in my home, fed the bethelites, gave gatherings, greased the palms of circuit overseers, gave gifts at weddings, and a host of other things that have ALL BEEN FORGOTTEN by the JWs. You can give your all, give your body to feed the poor, but when you stand up for yourself, and start to think for yourself(especially when you don't have a husband) you have signed your death warrant. Most of Jehovah's Witnesses are loveless clones. As long as you do things Jehovah's way, but end up homeless and eating out of garbage cans, you are righteous in their eyes. But when you start to think for yourself, and end up with a little social security, not even pension (because i wasted so many years listening to these liars)i am branded as a lost cause, according to 1 elder. Therefore, i have had enough. I am gone, i don't hate the organization because they are a few good things i have learned along the way, but i have experience 30 years of hell at the hands of the JWs.
(((HUGS))) I understand Coral. I'm so sorry for all you've been through!! Terrible! Please take all the time you need to take care of yourself. Be patient and loving to yourself!
Somthing I've always found Interesting is that the story of eve and the fruit of knowledge is very similar to the story of prometheus giving man fire and being punished by Zeus for giving man knowledge and industry.
interesting
Its like a combination of the main points of old religions grafted unto a papable (less animal sacrifice) version of Judaism.
YES....could there be a connection 🤔 There is much to unpack in reference to "Jehovah's" origins.....
Also I might be wrong but i think lucifer means light bringer another reference to prometheus's fire.
@@Adjacentred Technically lucifer is not part of the Bible. It was added in a 14th century translation. Christ in Bible terms would be the morning star or light bringer so either way not the devil most have it all tangled up as.
It's funny. I used this SAME illustration in a public talk to illustrate the issue of universal sovereignty, albeit from the JW perspective.
Whoa! Great minds!! Remember when we use to do those Public Talk things.....guys like us? LOL
1:03:15 Jove IS the bully
Also I was waiting for an F bomb or two 😂
Every time I felt one coming, I remember all the very nice ladies that listen LOL.....one will eventually slip out!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I am a nice lady who loves a good f 💣😂💣
He always had his stiff neck people bullied.
Yep..... it really says a lot about him
Can’t send DMs here but the word is VOILÀ. There’s a V at the beginning. Sorry grammar nazi coming out
If God exists, He’s either Impotent or Evil… perhaps both at once….
He's a high character dude. The Bible says he's jealous, he seems to favor certain people, he has vengeance....and oh......he is love?
The funny thing is, Job actually met the challenge. He didn't waver in his integrity. As an imperfect man. Why, again, was Jesus needed? Oh, yeah. The 'ransom'. Please.
Such......a .......GREAT.......point!!!!!!!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast You may have mentioned this in another podcast, but I'm reminded of the Garden of Eden issue. Adam and Eve weren't put out of the garden because of their sin. Rather, so they wouldn't be able to eat fruit from the tree of life. Had that happened, I maintain that God wouldn't have been able to do a thing to them. This story has major plot holes. Haha
@@gregorydensford7185 it's a fantastic detail that very few know or understand. Very few people realize that there are TWO trees in the Eden account ....great stuff Gregory!
The serpent boggled my mind. The garden, the heels and bruised heads, lies and slithering. Then when the people needed something to take their minds off the snakes on a plane scenario Moses was told to hold up a bronze serpent. No need for the floaties yet and the serpent story is blown to pieces along with idols, worship, who was Moses?, who was he talking to?, just plain WTF? I'm not offering answers i am pointing at ideas that loop back and flatten themselves.
I could save them all but I need to know who will look at this big bronze snake first. Poles, snakes, fake snakes, burning bushes. The old testament is wild.
YES!! Clearly a book written by nomads to explain life's weird journey....the unexplainable. It's right in line with all literature written at that time. It in fact borrows lots of archetypes from other cultures. But man is it entertaining. King David screws another man's wife and had him killed. How does god react? "Let's kill the baby"...... ummmmmmmmmm
@@survivingparadisepodcast I have found Crecganford's youtube channel is a great source for ancient myth breakdown. Science from linguistics, anthropology, archeology, genealogy etc. are coming together these last few years to give us some clarity on life as far back as 14,000 years ago. Nomads split from people who were drawn to village life. Warriors were favored on the plains and peaceful worker types thrived inside walls. Stories were made to describe the brilliant (unpolluted) cosmic dance to predict seasons and all that entails. That carried forward and the religions of today are built on that framework.
@@lizzidpeepole Thanks Phil! I'm not familiar with the channel, but I'll check it out!
…and another thing, JW’s should not even listen to apostates, let alone talk to them or make a deal with them. And yet Jehovah, the greatest of the universe makes a deal with his biggest enemy , a lier and apostate and his creation suffers so much because of that.
Yep! he set the example, didn't he??? LOL, don't question the Governing Body, but it's okay to question 'god' himself.....in fact, he will give you his kids to prove his point
I was the same at a very young age that had countless questions about the horror stories offered by the plenty in the Bible. Really all Christian’s who have just a ounce of critical thought or a small amount of intellectual intelligence should have these questions and doubts running through their own minds. The Bible really is the most violent, dangerous, horror story book ever written through out time. It’s filled with a lot of sexual platitudes right down to Lot laying down with his daughter’s and having sex with them. Incest - yes go figure why some Jehovah’s Witness court cases dealing with fathers who served as elders committing incest with their own daughters are and have happened. Who’s teaching them this stuff? Yup the Bible is the seed of all evil. Sadly 70% of the people living all over the earth today are part of some sort of religious belief. Countless God followers worshiping countless amounts of different Gods. Tons of different doctrinal beliefs because you can create endless amount of context for a single scripture and mold it into a belief system to start up a cult. Ever wonder why we’ve had horrific wars throughout history? Why we never will see peace and love shown towards one another? Hate and violence ceasing to exist? Who and what influenced mankind to these evil acts and perverted ways of thinking? Yes it all comes from the Bible. It’s a book filled with endless violence and Jehovah’s Witnesses are the worst when it comes to showing violence in their propaganda literature from study books to the magazines. These pictures you used for your video thumbnail are great examples of what Jehovah’s Witnesses fill their minds with and teach their children. It’s utterly disgusting and why I had thousands amounts of horrible nightmares from childhood growing up. Proof is right there.
Once again Stacy you have given excellent thought, intellectualism, and reality into every one of your podcasts and I thank you for that. It’s given me vindication that I’m not the only one who had so many of these doubts or issues with doctrinal beliefs of the Bible and Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s definitely helpful to the healing process and helpful towards desensitization needed to escape our former beliefs. I’m to Agnostic now, border lining Atheism and not being ashamed of it. Evolution makes far more sense to me then the Bible and Religion. If you study the science behind dating dinosaurs and fossils, and many bones found from early prehistoric man, it’s unquestionable that the Adam and Eve/Noah’s Ark nonsense doesn’t make sense nor provides any proof.
Thanks again Stacy for a banger of a podcast speech.
Thank you Cyber!!!! the Bible......I'll tell you, I'm working up to that subject and want to respect those that still hold it in high regard, but there is MUCH to talk about! It sounds like we are similar in the way we think. I struggled with all those same stories. To base our lives on those stories and characters......I always struggled!!
@@survivingparadisepodcast - Ya that's a good way to go about it, but you did at least say that you are agnostic after studying the Bible over 7 times after I guess leaving the cult. I don't know if you needed to do that over 7 times, but it could only help. But that was enough to fully catch my radar because I know how many ex JW's continue down the path of wanting to believe in something there is absolutely no proof about. But we can't take that right away from them. Religion as I see it will by no means disappear, nor do I see the JW's ever fully dissolving. Sadly though we as a species have very little time to get on a path to save our species, because it's all gonna end either 1 of 2 ways. Either we eliminate ourselves off this planet by nuclear war, or we ignore climate change which is upon us with an overdose of proof and in the end, the earth will remain, but will be unable to support life and go back to the ice age. Sad, but it's a reality we have to accept as the science and warnings behind climate change have been given over 40 years ago, but have largely been ignored over Capitalism. We've hit the point of no return with the planet warming at a rate we will probably not be able to reverse.
Hope I'm not scaring you off. I feel you probably are aware of these consequences we've brought upon ourselves. The saying that has stuck with me in the whole JW Cult thing is hearing it like this: "The JW Religion has an amazing product for hope that they just cannot nor will be able to deliver on."
Looking forward to your next excellent speech my friend. Take care.
@@Bad80y1 Thank you Cyber! I studied it over 7 times throughout my adult life, including when I was a JW. I just 'had to know' before I made any decisions. Their message becomes very attractive......kind of like checking out while watching a movie.....when you consider the challenges we all face daily!
Remember how Eli was portrayed as such a weak and pathetic father? Lol
LOL yes!!! Great point!