BambuLab X1E - Its a thing I guess
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- My initial thoughts and impressions of Bambulab`s New printer
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Let me know what you think of this format of video below, this video was pretty much a quick impromptu test of the setup.
My only complaint is that this Elgato camera's background removal is weird AF.
Like the format! I like to have your perspective on the news but sometimes it’s hard to dig through an old live stream for it
@@vinnycordeiro Its actually the RTX nvidia broadcast implementation, works good nuff for not spending 200$ on a popup greenscreen but will see if this becomes a regular thing and ill get one to do it right
Really like the format, the hex background fits well.
nice format for review videos for items you don't have on hand.
The talking head format works pretty well for you. Almost like a stream highlight in that it's just your thoughts and opinions, but here you're less fired up and not distracted by the comments. I enjoyed listening to it while I worked.
He’s got a nice head
Yeah, same. Good summary and talking points.
802.1X is what enterprises use for authenticating devices to the network (Network Access Control, or NAC). Many enterprises go the auper easy route and just use your userid/password for NAC, especially if the Enterprise manages users via an Active Directory environment. The preferred/better way is to deploy a device certificate (PKI stuff) for the device to authenticate to the network (not the user). Hopefully, the X1E will support certificates, especially at that price point. Supporting EAP-TLS and EAP-TTLS (which BBL lists in the specs) usually means that the device supports certificates.
Thank you for the comment, learned something
If they are going after enterprise customers, while the networking updates are nice, the real reason enterprise is paying a grand more for basically the same machine is enterprise support. Enterprise needs support responses in hours or minutes, not days. Unless they're standing up a separate support team for E customers that's going to he a real hard sell given what comes up in a "bambu support time" search which some middle-manager will absolutely do as part of the acquisition process. Generally that's by way of renewable enterprise support contracts, not sure if they're spinning up a contracting group as well.
The price isn’t just about enterprise support. Bambu is leaving some meat on the bone for resellers. If you are a big company and willing to buy 100, you’ll likely be able to get that price down to well under $2,000.
Like the format and you covered the machine really well. Please do more.
this is a great format to get your quick takes on new updates to the 3d printing scene, would def watch more like this
The E stands for EXPENSIVE!
Enterprise.
I like this video format. I also believe you are correct about this printer being an enterprise machine. You have to reach out to them for info or find a reseller. It costs more, but they'll probably have more warranty options or updated SLA times for service. They also had enterprise network options and a kill switch. It ticks all the boxes that the enterprise people were wanting.
This might be a crazy idea, but I think they are also going for schools/colleges with that price point. Schools love seeing extraordinary price points for tech, so I think selling this at that price is going to pay off for them
Simply put - Love this new video format!♥
You can do everything on local LAN for the X1c other than firmware updates currently.
That pricing, yikes.
From a corporate IT standing, the E means Enterprise, and that also brings with it big and expensive budgets and I think Bambu is leaning that way, giving that it's got wired and pro level wifi connection options now.
That is actually really cheap for an Enterprise 3D printer.
Notice they are saying MSRP, since its Enterprise that means they'll be quoted out before purchase, so at the end of the day while it will probably still be significantly more than the X1c, they wont be selling them for $2499 in the real world,
I enjoyed this format. I think it suits your style well
The amount of data they send back in log files is so disturbing. They get so much user data and that really needs to be looked into.
Wrt the WiFi killswitches, it could be the copper traces with a carbon bridge switch so when the switch it moved the data lines or power lines of the wifi are physically disconnected, HP and Lenovo do it in laptops a lot for their enterprise models with the webcam
Like the format. Seems to work really well for this type of vid
Like the format and thanks for the coverage. They just pushed the X1 closer to what it should have been and are just now charging for the user data lost 😂
Its like I always said - if the product is to cheap for its value, the income must come from a different source... the source might be YOU and YOUR DATA. If this new one is really local only - this income source is gone .. so you have to pay for the value. thanks bambu for proofing me right.
Firmware upgrades on X1E still require internet connection. It's mentioned in X1E FAQ section of bambulab wiki. And there will be no X1C->X1E upgrade path (also in that FAQ).
Filament lists were not actually the same, the last one for PPA-CF/GF, PPS, PPS-CF/GF is listed as “Ideal” for the X1E and “No” for the X1-Carbon. Looking at what other manufacturers of PPA and PPS filaments recommend the bed and nozzle temps achievable seem a little borderline but perhaps the heated chamber comes in to play.
Was also confused by that. Only because of 20°C more it now can print those filaments? Because these Filaments were listed because of 320°C hotend temp (the heated chamber wasn't mentioned in this point)
So you only need an aliexpress v2 hotend that makes 320°C and your X1C is also "ideal" for those filaments
International TRAFFIC in Arms Regulations ;)
They have a physical switch on the AP board from what I have seen to turn off the wifi and ethernet. On the X1C, at least the update I have, the wifi turns on every time you restart the printer.
LOL that zoom! it still would not comply with ITAR, since the cloud is through china. If you use Bambu Studio, or Orca Slicer not in stealth mode, info is sent to Bambu..
I like the format. It looks good, and it was presented well.
Send it. 😊
This might convince my engineering coworkers here at Toyota to get a few. We have some Ultimakers for general use among approved employees and some Markforge printers for those of us who know the actual value of rapid prototyping. All of them are wifi disabled and our Markforges are ALWAYS in use. Time to put in a req lol
mk4+enclosure is 700$ cheaper though... 3x2
Are you in Georgetown?
I like this format a lot. I watch your livestreams for your opinions and rants and not actual printer building anyways 😂
This video format is great!
is there any rime or reason for the BambuLab product nomenclature?
Great format, lets get more of this👍
What do they even want to achieve with 60°C chamber temp? Our Stratasys Fortus at work prints ABS at 80-100°C and PC at 145°C oven temp.
Typically the 60C is a limitation for the electrical components in cheaper machines. Assuming you have a 450 or similar those basic stratasys FDM machines are $140-200k. We're talking about a machine that literally something like 70 times cheaper. 60C is excellent, 100C is better.
60C is actually plenty to handle most engineering materials, stratasys needs some additional chamber heating because of relatively poor directional cooling of the machine. Not a bad design, just much more predictable which is what the enterprise customer requires.
Without a size upgrade I just don't see the value at that pricepoint. Unless it comes with an armed guard to protect the physical print as well.
I use a Bambu P1S for the small projects in the office. We are in no way shape or form producing items that are high-security, but we do produce a ton of quick tests and mid-fidelity prototypes with it. The only thing I want from the X1E is the Filter!
Hey, Just realized that when you're looking at the website on a wide screen like a desktop, the images are missing (hence the black background). If you visit the same Bambu site on mobile, you'll see the missing images. (probably a bug in their site code?)
correction: we are not transferring STL files but GCode files, and it could be up hundreds of megabytes easy. Esp for complex geometry and MMUs
Ok so just wait literally 8 seconds for a 100 megabyte file
@@FryedWater right, and 40 seconds for 500 Mb file
Nice setup !!! Like it !!!
Universities often use WPA2-Enterprise too. Mine even requires authentication on the ethernet - 802.1X, so it wouldn't work without a special configuration of the network port.
I say the "E" is for "Enhanced and More". That's the first word on the website ;-)
The X1C lacking in WPA2-Enterprise support does not mean that the WiFi connection is any less secure. It just means that it's not leveraging Enterprise type authentication (IE - Certificate or AD based authentication via a mechanism like RADIUS, etc)
The security focus seems interesting. The marketing points make me think they took the community backlash about the cloud and security and decided that was the enterprise security way rather than seeing a bunch of home users that didn't like opening up their network. I suspect the truth was closer to the latter option.
This might be a good start if they are wanting to get into the enterprise market but if they were actually trying to get into security conscious places there are a bunch of certifications I would expect to see that just aren't mentioned anywhere.
Video was good. I like the format
Like the format. Def a bend me over a barrel with a 1300 up charge. Have to buy it from a retailer currently at least.
Paying $1000usd premium for an RJ45 100 mbps port, active heating chamber and 320c (20c higher temp) hotend, with better filtration is a little expensive for those features.
Would've been cool if they released this in another year to replace the X1C at same price point.
More than that though, I would like to see bambu figure out a printer with tool changer with larger print volume. Bambu could sell at a higher price point, such as $3k usd (so it won't compete too much with their AMS printers) while still undercutting Prusa's $4-5k usd 5 tool head XL
I like the format it would be nice to have these when theres 3d printing news. Sometimes I cant catch up on the live streams for a while, so this would be easier to hear your take.
"Vibration and extrusion compensation ... can actively compensate" - is that really the same thing as X1C has already or some kind of additional A1-like compensation?
Format was great, 👍🏻👍🏻
Would you still want fume extraction on top of the filtration system on this machine for printing ASA/ABS?
If this printer were capable of printing ASA in a closed space without making me sick I might be interested in having one for some of the hotter filaments I play with.
If you look at the bambu lab wiki X1E FAQ and scroll all the way down they say that an internet connection is required to update the printer. So you either keep the machine on its original firmware or you just let it connect it to the bambu lab cloud to get the OTA update.
An oven that maintains 60c and has consistent airflow without hot and cold spots is worth $1000 more by itself. Do not underestimate or undervalue this if you need more functional prints.
-a former Stratasys engineer.
Is the machine available yet? Couldn't find it on their store
They are only available through their approved resellers because they want to offer extra support services to those who purchase the X1E and provide faster back up services for those in enterprise businesses.
How are they doing an active heated chamber? Did that patent expire?
Its been expired for awhile now
@@CanuckCreatorMental note made. Thanks for the reply.
If that thing is really meant for an office space (considering it has all the filter stuff etc), they better include some ear buds cuz that thing is loud af.
Plus think of the cost savings of using a cheeper support material in your second print Head. YES, you can do it with the Bambu printer but you still have the time to purge the filament in a 1 head design.
BambuLab turning into Creality with their Ender 3, Pro, V2, Max, Neo, SE, etc etc. just re-releasing the same printer with minor changes.
Not really their lineup is p1 and one with a box then x1c and the enterprise version and a1 and the small one creakily is like ender 3 and one with bed leveling and one with a touch screen and direct drive all just different by one feature
@@car_tar3882 You: "Not really" "all just different by one feature"
Me: "just re-releasing the same printer with minor changes."
Bro wtf... o.O
I like these shorter video talks, I might start watching your channel again, I stopped as I build printers myself, and watching you build a printer after I've built a printer just made me feel even more exhausted :) I assume part of the additional price of this X1E machine is to compensate for not being able to harvest your data, not that they are doing this or anything.........
My brand new P1S, got hot surface warning sticker on the XY stepper motors
Definitely like this style of content from you
So, basically it's just brining it up to what the QIDI X-Max3 already does. I'm a fan of my QIDI X-Plus3 with the feature many don't have an actual chamber heater.
I like the new format, just would suggest some wireless earbuds as it would reduce most of the virtual background artifacts that your current headphones create.
Maybe it uses a different thermistor to be able to reach higher nozzle temps?
Definitely priced for enterprise customers. I agree you don't need Gigabit, but how many more pennies would a Gig connection cost them? Enterprise items implies lots of network bandwidth needed. Why slow things down to save the cost of a Gig chip vs a 100M chip?
Price point says it all, it’s gotta be enterprise, the cost is likely subsidizing enterprise grade support as well, versus consumer support.
60 degrees is not enough for ABS printing. It should be near the glass transition temperature. Will be OK for PA (Nylon).
Love having talking head videos on while I work. Regarding the printer, it's a fair price to safeguard your data (IP). If I were running a business, I'd see it as a great deal. Honestly, I was expecting it to be around 4k USD.
No aluminum build plate?
It’s basically Active Directory (Kerberos/ldap/radius) compatibility.
The X1E comes with the AMS so you would need to price compare it with the X1C with the optional AMS unit. Nero was incorrect about the X1E not coming with a AMS. I do wish Bambu would come out with a unit that prints at least 300mm and preferably 400mm size prints.
@Nero3D Reminds me what we discussed on the live stream about a week ago that they were not in that market ... yet.
Bambu on their website now states $2500 price includes AMS.
not sure about that chamger heater, I reach like 62 degrees on the regular printing ABS (sometimes a bit more) on a V2.4 350mm that has a nevermore + 2 added Bed Fans (Ellis' mod)
No heater, just a bed and stuff that moves the air around.
I hit high 50's with my X1C and it stays at 60c after 2 hours and the only thing I do is use a thermo cover over the top window. It's in a regulated room of 21c with heating and ac so no its not just a hot room.
I like it, More plz.
In a word no. I am not buying this machine because I am not in an Enterprise environment. I decided that having multicolored filaments, etc is nice on the surface but... with all the waisted filament and time to change filaments, and so on. I just got an Airbrush system and I am currently learning how to use the equipment. Now, one could argue is AirBrushing saving and time? But there is less chance of print failures and the like. And Primer paint, etc. can help a lot in smoothing out ruff areas of a print. If anyone got a perfect print, no sanding needed off your printed except for a vase I commend you. You are doing better than most. I can however see a need for a 2 nozzle printer so I can use Water soluble supports. If that works well since I have never try water soluble supports and that would make a huge difference. In sanding where the supports touch your print and the setup needed to get supports to print just right. Which is a pain in the BUT. Being able to just drop your print in a bucket of water and have at least 90% of the supports good I think is way overlooked in printers these days.
Price tag probably was driven by some sort of insurance they need to have in order to offer those higher security features.
Definitely enterprise product and the price shows the cuts and compromise they made for consumer models to assure market dominace. This product and accompanying sercice contracts are we they expect to make the real money.
This is the cheap machine that I'm considering for work. If I were to get it, I'd remove the wifi module and would likely use it either in local lan mode or keep it completely stand-alone. The regular X1 isn't even an option.
Speculation here, but this is gonna be only for enterprise, which will mean that ordinary people will not be able to buy this. Hence the E in the naming. It is very clearly marketed toward enterprise. also explains why they list "Contact Us" instead of pre-order or coming soon.
They're definitely getting their money's worth on all the manufacturing tools they created for this platform. 5 models using nearly same hardware? X1, X1C, X1E, P1P, P1S. Maybe they're waiting to recoup some more costs before they invest in the tooling to create a bigger version?
This has been known for a couple of weeks already. It was leaked through videos from a Brazilian vendor where he explained all the new details.
The best thing I can say about the X1E is that I’d buy it over the X1C if I won the lottery
i hope we will get a mod to get the ethernet port on X1C
So…. My P1Ps with enclosures, cpu fan(for main board safety), aux fan and a little thermal tape can hit and maintain 60c chamber temp. For the price the QIDI X-Max 3 is far superior in every way for less than half the price and larger build volume. Even for "Enterprise" users the QIDI X-Max 3 with Klipper offers all the same network and security goodness. Unless you’re beholden to Bambu Labs for some reason there are far better options for far better prices.
Same bed size?
It's a backwards 3, X13. They didn't want to use 3 because right after I buy this they'll come out with the X2E and then the X3E. X33 would be silly so X13 is E^3 Engineering Enterprise Ethernet.
Easy one. It’s aimed at one person only. As you hinted. I’m surprised it’s not named X1EEE (there’s 3 e’s in musketeer) 😉
They truly are the Apple of the 3d print space. What a waste. Side note, I dig the talking head video. Suits you real nice, keep em coming
Remember when Ethernet was the basic option? 🤦
I downloade the build sheet and it has the same build size as the X1C 256x256x256
Great video as usual a great video. A question to Bambu Lab -> why should I buy the x1e for 2500 $ when my Qidi X-3 max has the same specs or better and 325x325x315 mm build volume for 1000$. This is a joke!!
"The cloud is just a computer in someone's house."
who's house?
This may tell us something about how much of a loss leader the Carbon X1 is. Makes the Prusa XL look like a bargain?
Nice
I like my X1 Carbon and AMS, but this does not do anything extra for me, at almost twice the price. I'll see how my Peoply does, that seems to be this years Bambu.
Well that's definitely bad news for all us X1/X1C/P1S/P1P owners, 'cause it means we would never get fully functional LAN mode in ANY future fw updates. People criticized Bambu for making proprietary product, but up to this point, they criticized them for the fact itself without any particular arguments. Now here we have the big one.
@@All_Up_In_The_Jimmy_Jams You're right, somehow i've missed the "LAN liveview" feature added in one of those recent updates. But still I cannot access the timelapses stored on the SD-card via Bambu Studio while in LAN only mode (the message "Not accessible in LAN-only mode" confirms this).
If this is targeted towards the Enterprise, I am curious if they will release an on-prem version of their cloud server for companies to spin up their own.
Like Octoprint? Is there any consumer I/O on Bambu machines?
@@hrdcpy not really. Octoprint is a per-machine interface. The server would be more for talking to multiple machines from a single point.
As for the Large Format... with how fast things are going, it will probably come out before the end of the year. So I'm not over concerned about that. As for this printer, meh, I'm not the target audience for something like this; so I'll stick with the P1S/X1C printers from them.
So basically a product with some desired features that doesn't add much functionality to the 3d printing itself but with additional markup to suck enterprise-level clients. Seems like they want to make cash (nothing against this on itself).
Love the name drop without it being a name drop for a certain CZcamsr / 3D print business. :)
E is for Extra build volume!!
Eh, if I could buy the board and convert an X1(c) or P1 to off cloud operations, I might consider buying a machine and upgrading it, but... as is, big nope for me!
cool 1300 more
for a hotter hotend, chamber heating and a filter!!! hahahaha Qidi Max 3 has that and is bigger and 1.5k cheaper. Qidi nozzles goto to 350 deg. My sock seems like silicone but im not sure.
The "E" is an oriental character for "Bend over, It's 2500.00"
E for enterprise?
Wow they are smoking some really good glue I guess, their prices need to come down, I guess i'll have to look into another enclosed 3d printer I was going to get a P1S but thought it had ethernet, thanks for letting us know it doesn't
Damn I’ve been waiting for an update so hard and now this is kinda disappointing. Let’s hope we get an updated x1c. Active heating is nice tho
I still wouldn't want a bunch of Chinese software running on an enterprise network.