The EOS-R video is not soft!!! it's 'filmic' with an inbuilt beauty filter that smooths out wrinkles /s Canon video has always been soft, so I'm not sure why people are surprised at the EOS-R being soft. Look at almost any comparison done between the EOS cameras and Sony or Panasonic.
Have you tried this camera yourself? just because someone don't know how to use it and provide false feedback on the camera doesn't mean it is a bad camera. it's just a tool like a paintbrush, just because it doesn't suit your style and you are unable to get your job done (putting ability aside) with this paintbrush, move on with another one, don't blame on it.
The EF-s 17-55 f2.8 uses old USM tech which is not fully compatible with Dual Pixel AF which is why Canon made STM and Nano USM lenses also the IS in the lens is rated at only 3 stops and is known to be jittery (check all reviews on this lens), why DPReview decided to use this lens for video instead of the Rf 24-104 they had been issued with or even a Ef-s 10-18 STM withImage stabilisation and is much wider....is more in question to me
They both had 5 frigging years to get it right. I was expecting a trail blazer of a camera from Canon. I bet when they saw the shit Nikon got over their camera, the Canon guys thought, âSh#t, weâre screwed. Let s just push the fact we are using the same battery as the Canon 5D, theyâll love that. How good are we. high fiveâ. Yeah, F#ck yeah!!
I slept with the enemy. I finally went Sony and couldnât be happier with it. Fuji ran a close second. I donât know what Canon and Nikon are doing but itâs like going to the theater to see âAirportâ and getting shown âAirplane!â Instead. ....except this is even funnier.
I think you the only CZcams channel that is actually awake and realises that Nikon and canon mirrorless are a laughing joke, especially at those high prices, pfft!
Nah, he's right but he's not the only one. The angry photographer predicted that both the Nikon and the Canon would be stinkers well before release. He was dead on, too. Hahaha
Nikon got a bad rap because of the single card slot, but I'm not sure the Z6 is bad for video...I haven't seen many in depth reviews of this camera because it isn't out until the end of next month. I know Nikon has a bad reputation for video autofocus but I saw one review where it looked pretty good. The ergonomics look decent and the LCD and EVF might be better than Sony. All I know is that the Sony A7iii is selling like hotcakes.
Yes, yes, yes, exactly my thoughts, considering its a Gen I mirrorless I think the Nikon Z7 is good and I expect the Z6 to be at same level, video AF looks good from all the videos I saw so far, it needs more work to get to Sony level but it is impressive in my view for a Gen I mirrorless. The ONE card is main reason why I will not buy it but I am sure the Gen II will be a far better camera.
Some of the video looked like clips off an 80's TV show (The Love Boat). What good are sharp lenses on a soft body? Maybe Canon is being more environmentally friendly recycling old sensors. The shills saying good things about this camera got it for free but won't get rid of their 1DX mark ii.
So funny when you started snoring as you took a photo! Fan boys will buy any old crap their chosen company releases. I own a Pentax K3 and just sold my Nikon D610 but intend to buy an xt3 now the AF has vastly improved!
Judging the quality of a camera by the work of another person is like judging the quality of a hammer on how well a house is put together. In this industry its the user and not the tool. The tool helps, but the end result is on you alone. My business brings in over $10k a month with just using a Canon 6D.
After watching reviews of the R, I have to say it is a mirrorless version of the 6DII with the mirror removed, more expensive lenses and a larger price tag. The reviews seem to be almost the same as the 6DII.
That's why I bought a 6dmkii last week. I like canon and a don't use for videos. In the future maybe. I decided to wait, save some cash and buy the next generation if will be good. I'm not fanboy. I just don't use for video professionally.
Don't drag Nikon into this Canon debacle. The video from the Z7 is far sharper at 4K. Just forget about the AF in the EOS R. Who wants soft 4K footage in focus.
I'm starting to see why both Canon and Nikon took so long to release their respective FF mirrorless offerings. Clearly both knew they weren't ready but have been forced to show their hand too early due to ever increasing pressure from competitors. These " stop gap " solutions, far from encouraging existing Canon/Nikon users to stay brand loyal, have, if anything only made the decision to go elsewhere even easier. Yes, the EOS R and Z series are 1st generation attempts and they will undoubtedly improve but they didn't capitalise on Sony's early mistakes and at the very least bring out product that could match their competitors. That both Nikon and Canon have huge legacy users to draw from might not be enough if those users are leaving in droves! Well if nothing else we now know what the R in EOS R stands for....Rubbish! đ
Hehe... talked to a canon enthusiast the other day, who invests heavily in the long lenses, and shoots birds with the gear. She was ready to switch to the new canon, after an event presenting it... whatever canon does at these events works, maybe the hangover will be really bad though...
This camera does not make sense to me I'm a Canon user but this is not the camera I want in my bag... If I have to buy an adapter to use all the ef mount glass I have, I think I'd just get a metabones and a Sony A7III over the new Canon body. I think the Canon EOS R was a waste of r&d. Sorry Canon.
Not one reviewer has said that adapting Canon lenses to Sony bodes is reliable for anything serious. Not one reviewer has said the Canon adapter works anything less than seamless. If not hitting focus is ok with you then I would think you don't even need a new camera anyway. Unless there is something specific you need in the Sony, like say the 4K specs, since Canon specs still suck for 4K. I'm taking a pass on the EOS R simply because it doesn't do anything I need. The EVF would have been nice, but my experience has been good without it. If you really want the Sony, sell your Canon gear and get the Sony gear full out. You will be far better off than adapting Canon lenses.
Yes, the Canon adaptor will allow you to use legacy Canon lenses to seamlessly get to native EOS-R performance but that still is just the EOS-R performance and not to Sony's level. Lol. Eye-AF will still be useless. Silent shutter AF will still be unusable. Action-AF? Maybe 2-3 FPS. Get a grip with this "seamless" nonsense... it's apples to oranges.
David Ramos - Yeah I get that, but try convincing people that they don't even need a new camera once they have decided they "want it now!" I took a pass on Sony. All one needs to know is their history with consumer electronics to have a look into the future of their camera systems. I might be wrong, but I think they are done dumping money into it. Their cameras will need to become profitable on their own for them to want to stay with it. When they had the backing of the parent company it wasn't anything to throw everything they had at it. I really don't see them spending millions on future development when they are so far ahead of the curve and everyone is buying into it. Just like Playstation. The original changed the game, 2 upped the ante. 3 was so disappointing at launch they had to cut the price drastically (I think half) and cut a LOT of features. Meanwhile they repackaged and rebranded the 1 and 2 and sold them again, knowing no games would ever be made for them again and also knowing they were taking the backwards compatibility out of the 3. 4 is pretty good, but in no way is a revolution in gaming, and if not for the exclusive titles and content I really have to wonder how it would be fairing. But as long as it makes money, Sony is going to make it, but I really am not expecting any kind of revolution from the PS brand, since they already quit dumping money into it after the 3. If anything they are waiting for someone else to do it so they can justify dumping money into it again. This is how they handle all consumer electronics. I really don't see their cameras working out any different. I could be wrong. I kind of hope I am.
comrade7 - Are you making some kind of argument for something that I never said? Get a grip? On what? That there is little to no point in adapting a Canon lens to a Sony system? The jury is in of that, it's not reliable. I would think if it is fine for someone to lose AF performance to the level it is labeled "unreliable", not to mention the other features that won't work (eye AF is one, not sure about others), then that is someone that either has no need for a new camera anyway or really needs to jsut ditch Canon and go full Sony. What is the point you are trying to make? I think you might have missed mine.
Strange that other people don't complain about the focus problem , go to menu, picture style, choose one and set the sharpness to 7(to fix your softness problem)...and try again. Anyway for all those people out there who want's a video camera....go buy a dedicated video camera....
Here's the weird thing about this whole mirrorless war going on right now, I have a Canon APS-C DSLR and just got a Sony a6000 because I missed the small Sony mirrorless. I've never owned Nikon and I was considering selling everything and getting a full frame Sony but I really want to be able to shoot in any kind of weather and that actually puts the Nikon into contention, strong contention, something that wasn't even on the radar for me, it seems to be the only camera that 100% you know is weather sealed. I do hope no one buys them and the price drops.
Amen, you just delivered the Gospel Brother! Now, we need another Sermon for Brother Judas and his recent 28-70MM Greatest Zoom Ever - A Lens without a Camera - Or Another CZcamsr Gets Lost at the Ritz Kapalua for a week with his friends from Canon
I think people need to actually try these cameras out before making to much judgement. I own a A7RIII and a A9 but got the opportunity to use a friend's Z7 and found it to be a really great camera. Much more comfortable to shoot with and I also found the 24-70 kit lens that people are bashing was far sharper that the Sony 24-105g lens. There seems to be really bad info being put out there.
Some laughable statements this year: Reinventing Mirrorless, Be the revolution, 100 yrs camera experience, only Pros shoot DSLR, Sony should just make PlayStations.....
I watched Chris and Jordan try to be nice in the review, but even they couldn't. They were polite, but you could see it in their face. While my G9 won't record "forever" (10min 4K 50/60P, 29min for anything else), it is ahead of what Canon and Nikon have produced. I was hoping Nikon would pull a rabbit out the hat. I think they got it better than Canon. And with Panasonic FF mirrorless on the way, you know they will not be holding back anything. Heck, there isn't even an intervalometer in Canon if I heard right. My "lowly" G7 and FZ300 "bridge" even has that. I left Canon after they came out with the XC10 to answer Panasonic's GH4. They created the hybrid revolution and then left it.... they were so far ahead of everyone... I guess the one down vote so far is from someone who is a "fanboy" of either of the two...
Not sure what the f'k they messed up in that camera. Everyone that has reviewed it even states the eye AF misses like 30% of the time.. Thats 1 in 3 photos.. WTF??? I agree also, how the hell can simple stuff make it through Q&A checking before hitting the market. Honestly I think.. (I know hold on here!) I think someone moved the deadline up on the engineers working on the software for the camera, hense why silent shutter in continuous wasnt in the camera from the start. But also focusing issues also starting to emerge.. So yea thats my thought.. Just *hope* they can fix this with firmware update and no one has to send them back in..
Joe some of the issues WILL get better with firmware, and after all its their first go at it (FF Mirrorless) , they need a higher speed sensor and all this will be forgotten about
Aren't they the largest Mirrorless camera company in the world? Aren't they the largest camera company in the world? Why TF are you making excuses for them????
@@mallred4347 not making excuses, they are all those things you say,, but the weakness in the eos-r is NOT the camera, its the sensor, they are not the best sensor makers CURRENTLY, they have to work on that, all of the problems except the card slot issue are related to speed an processing power of the sensor, if they fix that the eos-r will be a different camera and a winner
My point is, and was, shouldn't they have already "worked on that"? Hasn't processor power been a big-ass Canon camera problem/priority going way back in time to the 5D4 and even further back? Shouldn't they have addressed it now in 2018 and/or 2019? When? I think you've NAILED Canons biggest problem and Sonys greatest strength (Core Competency). Sony develops/builds all its own processing LSI, whereas Canon/most other companies outsource theirs. I currently own an six Canon L lenses, A7R3 and an a A9. Why didn't Canon build an R camera that I want to buy today to use with my existing L lenses and buy their new lenses? As is, I only want the R 50MM f/1.2 and the 24-105MM f/4 IS - They'd be F*ng awesome on my A7R3. So, No sale for me.
@@mallred4347 I agree they should have and didn't, I think if Canon put a Sony sensor in that eos-r it would be an amazing camera, so my point is if they developed a faster sensor they would have a night and day result with the same camera, just making banter i'm not a hater or a fanboy of any brand ; )
Wow, you really gave it to Canon LOL, I cant say much as I am (admittingly) a Nikon fan boy. So I would like to say in regards to Nikon's defence (hey I said I'm a Nikon fan boy LOL), it is not their responsibility to have Tamron lenses work on their Z mount, its Tamron responsibility and I own Tamron glass and I do hope it will work on Nikon mirrorless in the future. Nikon's Z7 is by no mean a great camera, as a wedding photographer/videographer I cant use it for pro work thus I will not buy it due to one memory card, its AF for photography is good but not DSLR good, the video AF actually looks pretty good especially considering its their first video capable camera. So I think for hobbyist the Nikon Z is good, for pro I will wait for the Gen II. Yes I know this is a Canon video but I took the opportunity to hijack it for some Nikon thoughts......sorry LOL. ok few thoughts on this Canon, Canon did what they always do best-protect their video camera line-up, they will come out with crippled, limited, mediocre cameras just so people keep buying their video cameras, you know why they keep doing it ? because people keep buying their cameras and they are No.1 in camera sales so as long as people keep buying their cameras they will keep doing this. From the look of it Canon seemed to take this in the R to the next level with the soft video and cropped 4K and bad AF. They might fix the AF with a future update but the softness and cropped 4K is here to stay. Best for Canon fan boys to do what I do, wait to Gen II or just get a Sony A7III. Oh yes, Sony is killing it and for good reason, man I wish Nikon was as good in mirrorless as Sony is but I am 100% sure in few years they will be at same level, until then I will stick to Nikon DSLR for photo and Sony for video. Thanks for great video :)
he he, Mark, there's a reason I left Canon after 40+ years and switched to SONY E-mount. That was nearly 4 years ago and I never looked back. Canon's arrogance will be their downfall. Remember the dinosaurs?
I pray Sony doesnât start resting on their laurels now that the big boys donât want to come out and play. âWeâll destroy Sony..â they said. âWeâll take their technology and perfect itâ they said.. Now theyâre figuring out it isnât as easy and why it took Sony a few generations. Right now Sony is so layed back and unafraid that if it wasnât for Fuji they might not have released anything for 6 more months and we may not even see a a7s III now until Panasonic releases more than a 3D printed mock-up and a paper spec sheet. But I hope the competitors bring something so we all win in the end.
AP Studios haha yeah. No manufacturer would say that. Iâm sure the Canon guys will get a better version when they shove a 5DSR into the higher end version of the EOS R
Why are Sony fanboys so pissed at Canon all the time? Don't you like have nothing better to do? like taking images for example and shoot some FF 4K of course?
For someone who hasnât even seen the EOS R you sure have a lot of certainty in your opinions of it. Obviously, you can donât like Canon. Hating gets more views so I can understand. I know itâs hard to believe but some people prefer a softer image: just keep in mind when it comes to skin and people on screen a softer image does make people look much younger than they are. Itâs an automatic skin softener or a pearl filter hiding skin imperfections and reducing wrinkles. So, it has useful applications for corporate work. The AF in DP Review video was due to Chris standing under moving leaves and dancing shadows. Itâs the same sensor as 5Dmkiv. So, itâs a proven AF performance. I have the GH5 and itâs awesome. I just cant rely on its AF though (unfortunately) but I can on my M50. So, Iâve preordered the R as it will be like M50 but higher MB/s in 1080p and better low light performance. So, people who order this obviously have reasons based on their shooting needs. No one orders a camera because they love wasting money .
poccopocco Itâs interesting because I donât think weâre the one whoâre saps; I think itâs people like you who are incredibly naive! Of course this camera is crippled!!! What?! You expected they put a C700 in a M50 body and sell it to you for $999?! If they did the shareholders should fire that Product Manger and the CEO together! Thatâs not how business works. They decided to launch the R as a middle of the road camera and will fill in other market segments later. If this isnât your camera then itâs not; but this first product is not supposed to be a universal camera. It has its own market segment and will settle there, like any product launched. Thereâs a target audience at every launch. Itâs funny to me when people say a camera sucks when they havenât tried it or understand its target. Maybe the camera sucks for you but it doesnât to its target audience. Keep in mind you donât represent every kind of shooter. Everyone has specific needs and thereâs a camera that fits some or most of everyoneâs needs. Thereâs no camera that fits everyoneâs needs as it would have too many redundancies and elements that some folks would be pissed off to have to pay for but never use. This is how manufacturers control the cost. They set the price, then they reverse engineer what they can put in it for a given target audience at that price. Itâs as simple as that. This channel, for example, believes that sharpness is the only reason to buy a camera. Well, I have news and itâs that absolute sharpness only matters to some people; but not to all people (case in point is the fact that Canon sells a lot of cameras!) So, have an informed idea of the big picture before forming a knee jerk opinion. Of course, I understand when people get pissed off because the company is not targeting them and their needs at every launch. Iâve been there with Sony and their lack of an articulating screen myself. Cheers!
Real World Endo - Thank you. This video is just kind of a smash talking circle jerk. The new mirrorless cameras from Nikon and Canon certainly arenât perfect, but at the end of the day, you buy into an ecosystem and thatâs what you use. Anybody can get great photos regardless of their gear if they know how to use their tools. This content benefits no one, especially considering he hasnât even used the camera yet.
Timothy Walker: You're right that this type of content doesn't benefit viewers. It only confuses them and leads them in the wrong direction and provides the wrong orientation towards photography/filmmaking. It doesn't help viewers understand that the only perfect camera is that which works for a given shooter's specific needs. It's like talking about the perfect wife, or girlfriend! It's not the same girl for everyone because everyone has different needs and priorities! No such thing as perfect camera either, only perfect for an individual shooter, sometimes, or at best most of the times, and then only for a moment in time before it all changes again! It's a moving target by its nature. Gear envy is a great excuse to avoid answering for our lack luster creativity. Only if Canon could sell creativity... now that would be a worthwhile investment!! ;) Cheers!
So let me get this straight, youâre reviewing a camera youâve never even touched? How does that work exactly? Do you have some kind of psychic camera testing ability youâre not telling us about?
The Photo/Video Show I did use my listening skills. And my listening skills tell me you never actually tested it yourself. Youâre just going off what other people are saying. Office gossip much? Do you even own a camera?
Your listening skills are lying to you. And yes as a matter of fact I do own a camera. Iâm typing on it right now đ€Ł I also plan to watch porn on my camera later. Want me to Skype you? â€ïž
The Photo/Video Show thatâs your comeback? Some lame innuendo. I used to think Ken Wheeler was the biggest hack on CZcams. I now give the trophy to you sir. At least he actually gets his hands on the cameras he talks about.
Exactly..ON POINT..This is 2018...Canon is #2,so they didnt have to panic and rush anything...Canon already has great products,with 2 card slots,great focusing,good batteries,good video...So why would they go backwards in time,totally ignore what common sense features they already provided in other products,and put out some lesser junk.That's almost like Ferrari making something akin to a Yugo,and saying,'but it's ok because it gets you from A to B'.The creepy part is that they PAID someone REAL MONEY to design,plan,and implement this fiasco...wow...Please let me design the next one,because I KNOW I can do better,on my worst day...
Canon EOS R RF lenses are Sharp... Where did you get the report saying it's soft? I'm a Fuji shooter
The EOS-R video is not soft!!! it's 'filmic' with an inbuilt beauty filter that smooths out wrinkles /s
Canon video has always been soft, so I'm not sure why people are surprised at the EOS-R being soft. Look at almost any comparison done between the EOS cameras and Sony or Panasonic.
Have you tried this camera yourself? just because someone don't know how to use it and provide false feedback on the camera doesn't mean it is a bad camera. it's just a tool like a paintbrush, just because it doesn't suit your style and you are unable to get your job done (putting ability aside) with this paintbrush, move on with another one, don't blame on it.
The EF-s 17-55 f2.8 uses old USM tech which is not fully compatible with Dual Pixel AF which is why Canon made STM and Nano USM lenses also the IS in the lens is rated at only 3 stops and is known to be jittery (check all reviews on this lens), why DPReview decided to use this lens for video instead of the Rf 24-104 they had been issued with or even a Ef-s 10-18 STM withImage stabilisation and is much wider....is more in question to me
They used the EFs lens to mitigate that massive crop factor.
*Because the EOS R challenges your cinematography!*
Remember that!!!
They both had 5 frigging years to get it right. I was expecting a trail blazer of a camera from Canon. I bet when they saw the shit Nikon got over their camera, the Canon guys thought, âSh#t, weâre screwed. Let s just push the fact we are using the same battery as the Canon 5D, theyâll love that. How good are we. high fiveâ. Yeah, F#ck yeah!!
Canon -> Cannot
I slept with the enemy.
I finally went Sony and couldnât be happier with it.
Fuji ran a close second.
I donât know what Canon and Nikon are doing but itâs like going to the theater to see âAirportâ and getting shown âAirplane!â Instead.
....except this is even funnier.
I would much rather see Airplane! than Airport. Not metaphorically, I mean Airplane! is awesome! :)
...âThis is my new canon ...â clutches SOFT pillar. đđđđ
I think you the only CZcams channel that is actually awake and realises that Nikon and canon mirrorless are a laughing joke, especially at those high prices, pfft!
Nah, he's right but he's not the only one. The angry photographer predicted that both the Nikon and the Canon would be stinkers well before release. He was dead on, too. Hahaha
Yes, Wheeler copied the general opinions of others yet again.
Watching your videos works better than my antidepressants. So. Damn. Amusing.
The pillow is the best omg
Nikon got a bad rap because of the single card slot, but I'm not sure the Z6 is bad for video...I haven't seen many in depth reviews of this camera because it isn't out until the end of next month. I know Nikon has a bad reputation for video autofocus but I saw one review where it looked pretty good. The ergonomics look decent and the LCD and EVF might be better than Sony. All I know is that the Sony A7iii is selling like hotcakes.
Yes, yes, yes, exactly my thoughts, considering its a Gen I mirrorless I think the Nikon Z7 is good and I expect the Z6 to be at same level, video AF looks good from all the videos I saw so far, it needs more work to get to Sony level but it is impressive in my view for a Gen I mirrorless. The ONE card is main reason why I will not buy it but I am sure the Gen II will be a far better camera.
Love your new funny honest look at the new camera releases, keep it up, these companies deserve this:)
Some of the video looked like clips off an 80's TV show (The Love Boat). What good are sharp lenses on a soft body? Maybe Canon is being more environmentally friendly recycling old sensors. The shills saying good things about this camera got it for free but won't get rid of their 1DX mark ii.
Very excited to pick up the EOS R tomorrow! Iâll be trading in my 6D classic and my Lumix G9 to soften the blow.
Thank you very much for the videos. It would be great to see some of your photography. Do you have a portfolio somewhere online?
Dying laughing Blood!!!
So funny when you started snoring as you took a photo! Fan boys will buy any old crap their chosen company releases. I own a Pentax K3 and just sold my Nikon D610 but intend to buy an xt3 now the AF has vastly improved!
Judging the quality of a camera by the work of another person is like judging the quality of a hammer on how well a house is put together. In this industry its the user and not the tool. The tool helps, but the end result is on you alone. My business brings in over $10k a month with just using a Canon 6D.
That was Irish âhumorâ by the way đźđȘđđ
After watching reviews of the R, I have to say it is a mirrorless version of the 6DII with the mirror removed, more expensive lenses and a larger price tag. The reviews seem to be almost the same as the 6DII.
6dii looks to have the better autofocus and you can go on ebay and get it for almost half the price of eos-r
If you go on Canon's own refurbished camera sales site, you get a 6DII for less than half of the R's price. And, it will have a warranty from Canon.
time will tell. in September on my trip to S. Korea I saw more 6D2-s, than all Sony cameras combined in hands of users. the price will drop.
That's why I bought a 6dmkii last week. I like canon and a don't use for videos. In the future maybe. I decided to wait, save some cash and buy the next generation if will be good. I'm not fanboy. I just don't use for video professionally.
I still don't think Nikon is down....the Z7 and Z6 are good competition to the Sony mirrorless full frame
Don't drag Nikon into this Canon debacle. The video from the Z7 is far sharper at 4K. Just forget about the AF in the EOS R. Who wants soft 4K footage in focus.
But time ..... 2020 its a good one
Good for sony fuji Panasonic olympus⊠even Pentax
I'm starting to see why both Canon and Nikon took so long to release their respective FF mirrorless offerings. Clearly both knew they weren't ready but have been forced to show their hand too early due to ever increasing pressure from competitors. These " stop gap " solutions, far from encouraging existing Canon/Nikon users to stay brand loyal, have, if anything only made the decision to go elsewhere even easier. Yes, the EOS R and Z series are 1st generation attempts and they will undoubtedly improve but they didn't capitalise on Sony's early mistakes and at the very least bring out product that could match their competitors. That both Nikon and Canon have huge legacy users to draw from might not be enough if those users are leaving in droves! Well if nothing else we now know what the R in EOS R stands for....Rubbish! đ
Dunny all they really had to do was keep the hardcore fans from leaving and time will tell if they did that?
Hehe... talked to a canon enthusiast the other day, who invests heavily in the long lenses, and shoots birds with the gear. She was ready to switch to the new canon, after an event presenting it... whatever canon does at these events works, maybe the hangover will be really bad though...
You make me LOL đ man!
You better be ready for rustlemania đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
But Lindsey Adler loves it. OH! She loves the adapter as well. Who would have thought? All of a sudden, it's okay to have an adapter. đ€Ș
Bro my god you made my morning wow "Soft" lol lol
I unsubbed from dpreview because of the fluff job they did on the Nikon z6/7. But I checked out their eos r video because you mentioned it and I thought they were fair...fell short of calling it a complete piece of soft served dog đ© đ
Canon firing blanksđ€Ł
Soft like an airline pillow *LOL*
You are in a league of your own, youâre so good.
Awww! Thanks bb! â€ïž
This camera does not make sense to me
I'm a Canon user but this is not the camera I want in my bag... If I have to buy an adapter to use all the ef mount glass I have, I think I'd just get a metabones and a Sony A7III over the new Canon body. I think the Canon EOS R was a waste of r&d. Sorry Canon.
Not one reviewer has said that adapting Canon lenses to Sony bodes is reliable for anything serious. Not one reviewer has said the Canon adapter works anything less than seamless. If not hitting focus is ok with you then I would think you don't even need a new camera anyway. Unless there is something specific you need in the Sony, like say the 4K specs, since Canon specs still suck for 4K. I'm taking a pass on the EOS R simply because it doesn't do anything I need. The EVF would have been nice, but my experience has been good without it. If you really want the Sony, sell your Canon gear and get the Sony gear full out. You will be far better off than adapting Canon lenses.
Kevin Diaz but just be aware of Sonyâs failures:
Viewfinder resolution on the low side
Lacks DSLR feeling of 'immediacy' for controls and menus
Continuous AF at smaller apertures can result in hunting or focus failure
Only one card slot supports the faster UHS-II format
Some lenses may result in 'striping' in images containing flare
Lackluster touchscreen experience
AF point can be difficult to discern
Moiré artifacts may be a problem
Weather-sealing doesn't appear to be as robust as competitors
Unintuitive video autofocus
System lacks proper flash AF assist
Some buttons are too small and could use more tactile feedback
No in-camera Raw processing
No external battery charger (USB internal charging only)
8-bit internal and external video capture limits Log footage flexibility
Yes, the Canon adaptor will allow you to use legacy Canon lenses to seamlessly get to native EOS-R performance but that still is just the EOS-R performance and not to Sony's level. Lol. Eye-AF will still be useless. Silent shutter AF will still be unusable. Action-AF? Maybe 2-3 FPS. Get a grip with this "seamless" nonsense... it's apples to oranges.
David Ramos - Yeah I get that, but try convincing people that they don't even need a new camera once they have decided they "want it now!" I took a pass on Sony. All one needs to know is their history with consumer electronics to have a look into the future of their camera systems. I might be wrong, but I think they are done dumping money into it. Their cameras will need to become profitable on their own for them to want to stay with it. When they had the backing of the parent company it wasn't anything to throw everything they had at it. I really don't see them spending millions on future development when they are so far ahead of the curve and everyone is buying into it. Just like Playstation. The original changed the game, 2 upped the ante. 3 was so disappointing at launch they had to cut the price drastically (I think half) and cut a LOT of features. Meanwhile they repackaged and rebranded the 1 and 2 and sold them again, knowing no games would ever be made for them again and also knowing they were taking the backwards compatibility out of the 3. 4 is pretty good, but in no way is a revolution in gaming, and if not for the exclusive titles and content I really have to wonder how it would be fairing. But as long as it makes money, Sony is going to make it, but I really am not expecting any kind of revolution from the PS brand, since they already quit dumping money into it after the 3. If anything they are waiting for someone else to do it so they can justify dumping money into it again. This is how they handle all consumer electronics. I really don't see their cameras working out any different. I could be wrong. I kind of hope I am.
comrade7 - Are you making some kind of argument for something that I never said? Get a grip? On what? That there is little to no point in adapting a Canon lens to a Sony system? The jury is in of that, it's not reliable. I would think if it is fine for someone to lose AF performance to the level it is labeled "unreliable", not to mention the other features that won't work (eye AF is one, not sure about others), then that is someone that either has no need for a new camera anyway or really needs to jsut ditch Canon and go full Sony. What is the point you are trying to make? I think you might have missed mine.
Really enjoyed today's episode. I think you need a few EOS R's and your shotgun and I guess I dont have to explain the rest.
Strange that other people don't complain about the focus problem , go to menu, picture style, choose one and set the sharpness to 7(to fix your softness problem)...and try again. Anyway for all those people out there who want's a video camera....go buy a dedicated video camera....
Here's the weird thing about this whole mirrorless war going on right now, I have a Canon APS-C DSLR and just got a Sony a6000 because I missed the small Sony mirrorless. I've never owned Nikon and I was considering selling everything and getting a full frame Sony but I really want to be able to shoot in any kind of weather and that actually puts the Nikon into contention, strong contention, something that wasn't even on the radar for me, it seems to be the only camera that 100% you know is weather sealed. I do hope no one buys them and the price drops.
Calm down Marc; Canon is already preparing the firmware upgrade which will solve the soft issue. It will be issued with part number Vi-A-GRA2018.
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Amen, you just delivered the Gospel Brother! Now, we need another Sermon for Brother Judas and his recent 28-70MM Greatest Zoom Ever - A Lens without a Camera - Or Another CZcamsr Gets Lost at the Ritz Kapalua for a week with his friends from Canon
Pro level! đ
Nikon and Canon joined forces to make this happening. Nobody alone can develop such yunk.
I think people need to actually try these cameras out before making to much judgement. I own a A7RIII and a A9 but got the opportunity to use a friend's Z7 and found it to be a really great camera. Much more comfortable to shoot with and I also found the 24-70 kit lens that people are bashing was far sharper that the Sony 24-105g lens. There seems to be really bad info being put out there.
Some laughable statements this year: Reinventing Mirrorless, Be the revolution, 100 yrs camera experience, only Pros shoot DSLR, Sony should just make PlayStations.....
Who was saying Sony should just make playstations this year? If anything, 2018 has been their best year yet for their cameras.
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I watched Chris and Jordan try to be nice in the review, but even they couldn't. They were polite, but you could see it in their face. While my G9 won't record "forever" (10min 4K 50/60P, 29min for anything else), it is ahead of what Canon and Nikon have produced. I was hoping Nikon would pull a rabbit out the hat. I think they got it better than Canon. And with Panasonic FF mirrorless on the way, you know they will not be holding back anything. Heck, there isn't even an intervalometer in Canon if I heard right. My "lowly" G7 and FZ300 "bridge" even has that. I left Canon after they came out with the XC10 to answer Panasonic's GH4. They created the hybrid revolution and then left it.... they were so far ahead of everyone...
I guess the one down vote so far is from someone who is a "fanboy" of either of the two...
Not sure what the f'k they messed up in that camera. Everyone that has reviewed it even states the eye AF misses like 30% of the time.. Thats 1 in 3 photos.. WTF??? I agree also, how the hell can simple stuff make it through Q&A checking before hitting the market. Honestly I think.. (I know hold on here!) I think someone moved the deadline up on the engineers working on the software for the camera, hense why silent shutter in continuous wasnt in the camera from the start. But also focusing issues also starting to emerge.. So yea thats my thought.. Just *hope* they can fix this with firmware update and no one has to send them back in..
Joe some of the issues WILL get better with firmware, and after all its their first go at it (FF Mirrorless) , they need a higher speed sensor and all this will be forgotten about
Aren't they the largest Mirrorless camera company in the world? Aren't they the largest camera company in the world? Why TF are you making excuses for them????
@@mallred4347 not making excuses, they are all those things you say,, but the weakness in the eos-r is NOT the camera, its the sensor, they are not the best sensor makers CURRENTLY, they have to work on that, all of the problems except the card slot issue are related to speed an processing power of the sensor, if they fix that the eos-r will be a different camera and a winner
My point is, and was, shouldn't they have already "worked on that"? Hasn't processor power been a big-ass Canon camera problem/priority going way back in time to the 5D4 and even further back? Shouldn't they have addressed it now in 2018 and/or 2019? When?
I think you've NAILED Canons biggest problem and Sonys greatest strength (Core Competency). Sony develops/builds all its own processing LSI, whereas Canon/most other companies outsource theirs.
I currently own an six Canon L lenses, A7R3 and an a A9. Why didn't Canon build an R camera that I want to buy today to use with my existing L lenses and buy their new lenses? As is, I only want the R 50MM f/1.2 and the 24-105MM f/4 IS - They'd be F*ng awesome on my A7R3. So, No sale for me.
@@mallred4347 I agree they should have and didn't, I think if Canon put a Sony sensor in that eos-r it would be an amazing camera, so my point is if they developed a faster sensor they would have a night and day result with the same camera, just making banter i'm not a hater or a fanboy of any brand ; )
In Japan it's called Canon "Soy R" model.
lost all the interesting to buy EOS R since watched them DP review video.
Wow, you really gave it to Canon LOL, I cant say much as I am (admittingly) a Nikon fan boy. So I would like to say in regards to Nikon's defence (hey I said I'm a Nikon fan boy LOL), it is not their responsibility to have Tamron lenses work on their Z mount, its Tamron responsibility and I own Tamron glass and I do hope it will work on Nikon mirrorless in the future. Nikon's Z7 is by no mean a great camera, as a wedding photographer/videographer I cant use it for pro work thus I will not buy it due to one memory card, its AF for photography is good but not DSLR good, the video AF actually looks pretty good especially considering its their first video capable camera. So I think for hobbyist the Nikon Z is good, for pro I will wait for the Gen II. Yes I know this is a Canon video but I took the opportunity to hijack it for some Nikon thoughts......sorry LOL. ok few thoughts on this Canon, Canon did what they always do best-protect their video camera line-up, they will come out with crippled, limited, mediocre cameras just so people keep buying their video cameras, you know why they keep doing it ? because people keep buying their cameras and they are No.1 in camera sales so as long as people keep buying their cameras they will keep doing this. From the look of it Canon seemed to take this in the R to the next level with the soft video and cropped 4K and bad AF. They might fix the AF with a future update but the softness and cropped 4K is here to stay. Best for Canon fan boys to do what I do, wait to Gen II or just get a Sony A7III. Oh yes, Sony is killing it and for good reason, man I wish Nikon was as good in mirrorless as Sony is but I am 100% sure in few years they will be at same level, until then I will stick to Nikon DSLR for photo and Sony for video. Thanks for great video :)
Why people don't grab a pinhole camera if they want to challenge themselves?
Hartanto Agung Wicaksono I made a similar comment for Peter McKinnon, to use MF lenses, and got a legit response from him... It was rhetorical lol
A dose of first world problems, thanks!
he he, Mark, there's a reason I left Canon after 40+ years and switched to SONY E-mount. That was nearly 4 years ago and I never looked back.
Canon's arrogance will be their downfall. Remember the dinosaurs?
auto focus is bad and they messed up the ergonomics and itâs ugly too. Please start over Canon. Can you do better?
Hard episode
I pray Sony doesnât start resting on their laurels now that the big boys donât want to come out and play. âWeâll destroy Sony..â they said. âWeâll take their technology and perfect itâ they said.. Now theyâre figuring out it isnât as easy and why it took Sony a few generations. Right now Sony is so layed back and unafraid that if it wasnât for Fuji they might not have released anything for 6 more months and we may not even see a a7s III now until Panasonic releases more than a 3D printed mock-up and a paper spec sheet. But I hope the competitors bring something so we all win in the end.
Sony also has failures:
Viewfinder resolution on the low side
Lacks DSLR feeling of 'immediacy' for controls and menus
Continuous AF at smaller apertures can result in hunting or focus failure
Only one card slot supports the faster UHS-II format
Some lenses may result in 'striping' in images containing flare
Lackluster touchscreen experience
AF point can be difficult to discern
Moiré artifacts may be a problem
Weather-sealing doesn't appear to be as robust as competitors
Unintuitive video autofocus
System lacks proper flash AF assist
Some buttons are too small and could use more tactile feedback
No in-camera Raw processing
No external battery charger (USB internal charging only)
8-bit internal and external video capture limits Log footage flexibility
No fully articulating screen.
Who said we'll destroy Sony? I want to see that link. A little hyperbole?
AP Studios haha yeah. No manufacturer would say that. Iâm sure the Canon guys will get a better version when they shove a 5DSR into the higher end version of the EOS R
Not sure why you say feeling of immediacy, have a Nikon DSLR and a Sony A7 III, can't see the Sony to be slower in controls and menus
Why are Sony fanboys so pissed at Canon all the time? Don't you like have nothing better to do? like taking images for example and shoot some FF 4K of course?
Everything a one of my morning videos are shot on a canon. I also own Fujifilm. No one is safe.
For someone who hasnât even seen the EOS R you sure have a lot of certainty in your opinions of it. Obviously, you can donât like Canon. Hating gets more views so I can understand. I know itâs hard to believe but some people prefer a softer image: just keep in mind when it comes to skin and people on screen a softer image does make people look much younger than they are. Itâs an automatic skin softener or a pearl filter hiding skin imperfections and reducing wrinkles. So, it has useful applications for corporate work.
The AF in DP Review video was due to Chris standing under moving leaves and dancing shadows. Itâs the same sensor as 5Dmkiv. So, itâs a proven AF performance. I have the GH5 and itâs awesome. I just cant rely on its AF though (unfortunately) but I can on my M50. So, Iâve preordered the R as it will be like M50 but higher MB/s in 1080p and better low light performance. So, people who order this obviously have reasons based on their shooting needs. No one orders a camera because they love wasting money .
poccopocco Itâs interesting because I donât think weâre the one whoâre saps; I think itâs people like you who are incredibly naive! Of course this camera is crippled!!! What?! You expected they put a C700 in a M50 body and sell it to you for $999?! If they did the shareholders should fire that Product Manger and the CEO together! Thatâs not how business works. They decided to launch the R as a middle of the road camera and will fill in other market segments later. If this isnât your camera then itâs not; but this first product is not supposed to be a universal camera. It has its own market segment and will settle there, like any product launched. Thereâs a target audience at every launch.
Itâs funny to me when people say a camera sucks when they havenât tried it or understand its target. Maybe the camera sucks for you but it doesnât to its target audience. Keep in mind you donât represent every kind of shooter. Everyone has specific needs and thereâs a camera that fits some or most of everyoneâs needs. Thereâs no camera that fits everyoneâs needs as it would have too many redundancies and elements that some folks would be pissed off to have to pay for but never use. This is how manufacturers control the cost. They set the price, then they reverse engineer what they can put in it for a given target audience at that price. Itâs as simple as that. This channel, for example, believes that sharpness is the only reason to buy a camera. Well, I have news and itâs that absolute sharpness only matters to some people; but not to all people (case in point is the fact that Canon sells a lot of cameras!)
So, have an informed idea of the big picture before forming a knee jerk opinion.
Of course, I understand when people get pissed off because the company is not targeting them and their needs at every launch. Iâve been there with Sony and their lack of an articulating screen myself. Cheers!
Real World Endo - Thank you. This video is just kind of a smash talking circle jerk. The new mirrorless cameras from Nikon and Canon certainly arenât perfect, but at the end of the day, you buy into an ecosystem and thatâs what you use. Anybody can get great photos regardless of their gear if they know how to use their tools. This content benefits no one, especially considering he hasnât even used the camera yet.
Timothy Walker: You're right that this type of content doesn't benefit viewers. It only confuses them and leads them in the wrong direction and provides the wrong orientation towards photography/filmmaking. It doesn't help viewers understand that the only perfect camera is that which works for a given shooter's specific needs. It's like talking about the perfect wife, or girlfriend! It's not the same girl for everyone because everyone has different needs and priorities! No such thing as perfect camera either, only perfect for an individual shooter, sometimes, or at best most of the times, and then only for a moment in time before it all changes again! It's a moving target by its nature. Gear envy is a great excuse to avoid answering for our lack luster creativity. Only if Canon could sell creativity... now that would be a worthwhile investment!! ;) Cheers!
Canon Eos R = Lipstick on a pig.
Someone please post the link or title to this âjordanâ person so I can see the video mark is referring to. Thanks
Here ya go buddy - czcams.com/video/D9GGeFROlN8/video.html
Just search (canon eos r hawaii) on CZcams.
So let me get this straight, youâre reviewing a camera youâve never even touched? How does that work exactly? Do you have some kind of psychic camera testing ability youâre not telling us about?
I have touched it. I simply said I havenât had it for a full review. Use your listening skills.
The Photo/Video Show I did use my listening skills. And my listening skills tell me you never actually tested it yourself. Youâre just going off what other people are saying. Office gossip much? Do you even own a camera?
Your listening skills are lying to you. And yes as a matter of fact I do own a camera. Iâm typing on it right now đ€Ł
I also plan to watch porn on my camera later. Want me to Skype you? â€ïž
The Photo/Video Show thatâs your comeback? Some lame innuendo. I used to think Ken Wheeler was the biggest hack on CZcams. I now give the trophy to you sir. At least he actually gets his hands on the cameras he talks about.
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They know they have to better next time, and that control ring feature looks really interesting, and they get the flippy screen thing lol
Soooo, you're a "no"? :)
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Exactly..ON POINT..This is 2018...Canon is #2,so they didnt have to panic and rush anything...Canon already has great products,with 2 card slots,great focusing,good batteries,good video...So why would they go backwards in time,totally ignore what common sense features they already provided in other products,and put out some lesser junk.That's almost like Ferrari making something akin to a Yugo,and saying,'but it's ok because it gets you from A to B'.The creepy part is that they PAID someone REAL MONEY to design,plan,and implement this fiasco...wow...Please let me design the next one,because I KNOW I can do better,on my worst day...
*Avoid Canon at all Cost*
Their 1.67 Crop Factor in Video = *Pushing their FF consumers to buy EF-S lenses*
Canikon are Greedy Companies
Plus a 3k lens for a non pro body.... who is this camera for? If you want to blow money on camera gear at least go with a Leica.
Do-all Piss-all Autofuk-us.
I came for some actual samples... but it's just another blogger making money on hating Canon again.
Mich Obata - ok so go buy ur deliberately crippled overpriced canon. You just canât handle the truth
Wow. Canon must have really hurt your feelings with release man. You gone be alright?
Hurt my feelings? đ
Why? Because Iâm telling the truth?
Not to mention I need the views. Might be a short work week for me! #NothingButTheTruth
The Photo/Video Show hahaha. I feel it.
shot your videos on a cell phone then if sensor does not matter
Ralph Johnston a cell phone would do better than the EOS R. đ
Dude, there have literally been Hollywood movies shot on a cell phone. Itâs not out of the realm of possibility!