TUNED TOWING COMPARISON RECAP 2020 Duramax vs. 2019 Cummins vs. 2020 Power Stroke
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- čas přidán 13. 10. 2020
- On Diesel Insights, We are concluding a five part series on towing with tuned diesels of the big three; Cummins, Duramax, and Power Stroke.
Paul and Nick will be hitting on certain criteria such as comfort, drive-ability, and many other things we look for when picking a newer truck to tune and use as a hauler. This week we conclude the series and Paul and Nick discuss what they like the most out between the 2019 Cummins, the 2020 Duramax, and the 2020 Power Stroke. This is Part 5 of a 5 part series.
Be sure to follow along and subscribe as these videos will be in depth and full of info. Enjoy! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I really appreciate how you guys do what you do; the way you deliver the content, how transparent you guys are, and how confident you are in how you build the tunes.
When it comes to towing heavy, the exhaust braking is where it seems like the Ram has an advantage too. Not something that matters that much for daily driving, but when you load it up, makes a difference in your driving confidence.
Well said.
I agree. For guys using these trucks for constant towing (like hotshot work), the Ram probably makes the most sense. Exhaust brake is the best, transmission is stout, sounds like the Cummins lugs the best, and with the most reliable emissions system seems like a no brainer for a person that's going to put 500k plus miles on a truck. For work less than that the drivability of the other two come into play more.
@@GNR325 rams fall apart all the time 🤣🤣 the cummins keeps going but the truck will always fall apart the cheapest truck ever built
@@RamonMartinez-uk1nt 15+ years ago I would say that may have been true. I don't think GM was much better. Up in the rust belt their wax coated frames rust before the other two. With the expense of fixing diesel engine issues these days I give the edge to Ram.
@@GNR325 i know most people focus on just engines. And the cummins is a great engine we all know that but dodge rams have front end problems 4wd problems tranis blow up doors interior i work in pipe line and these trucks are always braking its not even funny
Good series of videos, very fair commentary as well.
I love these non biased videos👍
Great video, thank you very much for comparing this in such detail. I looked for a heavy duty truck earlier this year and purchased the Ford Tremor Powerstroke. I am not brand loyal and considered also the RAM w the Cummins. Unfortunately I didn't know about the GMC Duramax. I used thg Tremor to tow a 8k lbs travel trailer 17k miles cross country and it did really good doing so. The exhaust brake works sometimes great and other times it seems it doesn't work at all. I wished that would be improved. Is the gas mileage improved after you tune these trucks?
I watched this video series several months back and took you guys input into consideration as well as test drove a few. Settled on a used 2020 F250 XLT 6.7 with 20k miles. The 10 speed transmission as well as my preference of the look and feel of the ford over the chevy settled my dilemma. So far I love my truck. I've put 5k on it. I daily drove it (mainly highway) and got 21.5 - 22 mpg and have used it to tow a 12' trailer with UTV (get about 18 mpg) and 13k toy hauler (get about 12.5 mpg) through the mountains of WV. Thanks for the good videos. I'll be getting ahold of you guys about a 2020 powerstroke tune soon!
Glad we could be useful. Look for our upcoming 2020+ Powerstroke tuning release :)
Great review on all three trucks! Thanks!!
You should do a comparison on all 3 half size diesels. Lol.
The rough ride the noise is what a truck was,I like the hear my truck a lot like my loud motorcycles.Love the solid front axles also old school for me.
The rams interior alone speaks volumes to the quality of the rest of the truck. Bought a 2021 Laramie 3500 HO and its the best truck I have ever owned!
Rams have never been known for their quality and now being owned by fiat I don't think helps there
@@jeremykirk1334 I would agree on the older rams, but the new ones have won best truck 3 years in a row for a reason. I have owned about 10 trucks over the past 30 years from Toyotas, Ford, nissan, gmc/chevy and this ram 3500 is the nicest and most reliable so far. Cheers for you comment! 👍
@@jeremykirk1334 exactly. Nice looking interior doesn’t mean their stuff doesn’t fall apart more than everyone else’s.
@@killsalltires156 "Best truck" 3 years in a row? Never happened ... at least from any reputable source
I had a 2020 ram 6.7 and now have a 21 tremor 6.7 powerstroke. Loved the Cummins, had issues out of the truck itself. Definitely prefer my powerstroke. I haul heavy and the older Cummins out performed thr 1st gen powerstroke but not anymore.
Great video 👍👍👍👍 very informative and honest.
Are you able to tune a 2020 Ram 5500? Just wondering if I could get stock power of 3500 were the cab and chassis are detuned. The truck is a monster towing anyways but who doesn’t want more? Thanks in advance!
Love the way you guys disect this... Thanks,
D. JACKSON
Hi jw for gmc are the 2020 duramaxs steering different then the 2019 and does it have the same ingines
GM pickups are made for the city folk who pull a boat or small camper on the weekends. Ram and Ford are the real workhorses that go everyday.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
As you hit 100,000miles in your fancy cool displayed screen laramine not pulling anything with a grenaded transmission as the 10 speed Allison pulls circles around you
@@realmudderducker177 HATE TO BREAK IT TO YOU BUD, I WORK FOR GM AND THE CURRENT TEN SPEED IS THE FURTHEST THING FROM AN ALLISON. ALLISON MAKES THE CASE AND ALLOWS THE USE OF THERE NAME NOTHING MORE THESE DAYS!
@@farva75089^^yep
@@farva75089it’s actually a ford trans now.
You hear all kinds of rumors but I heard of a 10 speed in the works for the dodge no idea if that true . I a fan of extra gears and all ways been so . Especially towing a load . Really appreciate the videos
Good video series. Learned a lot. What's up with the elliptical up on the rack? Y'all going to start tuning exercise equipment?
Shhh, no one was supposed to notice that.
Sold my 2018 Ram 3500 that was tuned, hated the aisin shitbox, it slipped and was like having a centrifugal clutch. Purchase d a 2021 chevy 3500 and it absolutely blows the ram away in every way stock.
I live in nc mountains and tow with a nrw ford and my 2012 lml duramax 2500. My gooseneck weighs 24k, and their is a hill my new ford cannot pull up, but my old lml duramax will. These GM trucks are severely overlook as what they can do. They will pull any hill extremely overweight. Not enough attention on them as most look at cummins or ford. Cummins cant do any of it here where I live, had one but cant keep a trans.
Your series really helped me. Sincerely. Thank you!
I drove them all. Bought the 250 Powerstroke....and I was a Chevy guy.
But, as you said at the end, each has its own unique positives and negatives and I really don't think you can go wrong with any of them.
Thanks again.
Glad to hear you took the time to drive them all, really that's what we as consumers should be doing to keep them all honest!
I had a 2019 Ram with. Hemi, my boss has a 2500 Cummings. But just got a 2021 F250 Power stroke. And can I say it's the best decision I could have made EVER..
I'm loving this.
This is the exact video I needed to help make up my mind
Have you bought one? If so which one did you choose
@@MFZero2 ford, the release video should be up on my channel tomorrow to come back to here.
Since most of us have to leave all of the emissions in tact, I would have to go with Ram they seem to have less issues overall in that area. But man that new 2020 Super duty is pretty sweet!👊🏻
PREACH!
The cummins is definitely the friendliest engine out of all three to work on if you do everything yourself, it’s engine bay has more room to get around and work on it while the other two just look really cramped and packaged in there
@@colinwoods8962 yeah.. specially when changing the oil filter lmao
What is Cummins stock torque on the dyno?
I have a 22 High country DRW and tow all year round 16k at least, and the Allison doesn’t miss a step, never have I felt it searching for a gear. Completely happy with my purchase and I did do extensive research on the Ram.
What made you choose the chevy over the ram in the end? I am down to the 2. I have been a life long chevy guy, but I am very intrigued with the 21+ rams. Any input you have would be so appreciated! Thanks Joe!
I love these unbiased videos unlike TFL being a Ford commercial
Thank you for the awesome video!!
I think the Ford is the best overall pick for pulling heavy, daily driving no load, interior room, etc
The RAM if all you do is pull heavy loads in the mountains.
The chevy/gm if you want a nice luxurious truck ride.
Had Ford's, mother-in-law had Ram's, we both went Duramax, never looking back! We both Tow large fifth wheels &
My mother-in-laws a Badass!
Can I ask when and why you guys shifted brands? I am a life long chevy guy, but have been considering the 21+ ram cummins. I really like the duramax, but my price range the duramax has 80k miles and the cummins has less than 50k. Help me lollll
I’ve never felt the need to tune, these trucks always had enough capacities for me. I’ve had two 2500s duramax trucks in 20 years. I don’t pull houses for a living, so never felt the need for the Cummins. The problem I’ve always had with the GM products is the interior. They never seem to hold up. 03 Silverado LT and ‘12 Denali. The Denali has cracks all over the dash, seats are coming apart, passenger seat recline motor is out. Of course in the fully recline position. Being told I have to buy a whole seat.
I guess I didn’t trade it in fast enough.
I feel what you're saying, but all my friends have ram trucks and they all complain about the interiors. Plus all rams seems to have problems with their power windows. I own Toyota and they all have their own problems.
Ram for interior and room, I feel they set the bar.
I didn't even consider GM because that 10 speed isn't really an Allison 1000.
Great comparison but 3500 dually vs 3/4 ton srw will always ride 100x different. Ram 2500 ride quality is 100x better than them all with rear coils but it cant handle that much pin weight.
I have a 2020 Ram 3500 flatbed, and I’m having trouble finding a tow tune for it.
give us a call, 815-568-7920
Please!!! For love of god!!! Figure out tuning for the Aisin even if we have to purchase a new TCM.
Preach! Are you running our engine tuning now?
@@Duramaxtuner
Currently not. I would tho if that was to become available...but a big problem I have now are a few parts missing off of mine.
@@scottback3020 I hear ya. Those parts would need to be found before we would tune it,
Just picked up a 21 F250 which is my first step back into diesels after I got rid of my LLY a few years back. Don’t see much for tuning out there, everything seems to be for 17-19 only? What are my best options if I want a moderate tune done well?
Brian, we’ve been tuning the 17 through 19 6.7 L power stroke on EZ Lynk for over three years now. It’s one of our favorite platforms, much of it is similar to the LML (control wise). Check out this link, feel free to call us at 815-568-7920 with any questions. Look for a feature on a maroon regular cab with Carli suspension in the near future :)!
duramaxtuner.com/ez-lynk-2013-2019-powerstroke-support-pack.html
@@Duramaxtuner thanks for the quick reply. But I just bought a brand new 21 power stroke. Are there any tuning options for that platform?
@@briankimminau4953 Not yet. We need hardware/software support for remote tuning.
Just shows how well the cummins aisin pair together. Biggest truck, lowest hp, best 0-60 and best braking
@mtrujillo1973 it's a dually? The other two aren't...
@@moose5.9 so your saying the other 2 cant go faster 0-60 than a dually? Thats all im hearing
@@brandonmick9191 guy deleted his post cause he was wrong lol. Looks like I'm talking to myself
@@moose5.9it’s ok. When ur right ur right.
Them 3 trucks are awesome
We all different we pick the one we like better
How do you think about the fact that the GMC wax coats their frames, for those of use who live in regions with snow and ice? I have friends in Canada who say within a year or two their GMs are starting to rust.
The wax frame thing is a bit fucky, but I’ve been spraying Fluid Film on mine about 1-2x per year using a $35 pneumatic undercoating sprayer I bought off of eBay. Takes about 3/4 gallon each time, so maybe $100 or so per year give or take. I’ve got about 25k on my 2018 (not a ton, I know...), live in Ohio with plenty of winter driving on snowmobile trips. Not a spot of rust and a good thick coating all over. Power washing doesn’t seem to affect it unless you really go full stupid on it.
@@Icutmetal Thanks for the advice, I will give it a go. For the life of me I don't understand why they don't just e-coat the frame like Ford does. I also heard Ram is e-coating now, but I can't find anything on the web confirming this? Anyone know if Ram is actually e-coating now, too?
@david strong the wax coating lasts with proper care. During rust season, weekly washing helps, i had a 2003, S10 with the wax coating, weekly washes in the winter and the 15 year old ( at the time i owned it ) coating was in good condition
Do you guys do off road tunes for the powerstroke?
We do not.
I have a 2020 2500hd duramax At4 on 35s 8 inch lift with a derringer turnner and iam really happy with it.
Anything is better than stock! If you want to upgrade to true custom tuning in the future, let us know.
Are you guys working on half ton trucks? I traded my cummins for a 1500 duramax
We hope to be supporting those soon.
Have y’all turned a 3.0L duramax, if so where can I find the video?
Not yet.
@@Duramaxtuner thanks, I’m looking at buying 2021 Chevy Silverado with 3.0L Duramax. I test drove one and loved it!
I was leaning GM but I guess Ford will be my next truck. As far as the 12 inch screen, I would rather have the 8 with big knobs and my wife agrees....
The transmission is not the best for Ford right now.
They go out around 60k miles
The Ford tranny in the fords are the best right now what are u talking about the ram tranny are crap my brother got a 2018 3500 ram and the trany went out around 120k I have a 15 power stroke never had any problems I’m at 155k I’ve only had problems with my src system the 6.7 power stroke is one of the best made ever
And it has the asin Tran
I'm on my 3rd ram. I have a 21 3500 HO tuned by calibrated power, and I'm going to order a 23 Superduty f350 the day they are available. I'm just tired of rams transmissions and now that ford is putting the new interior in, it's a no brainer. I'll miss the exhaust brake. I'm over being a ram fan. Like you said, the aisin unloaded leaves a lot to be desired. The Ford gets 2mpg-ish better. From your experience, 3:31 or 3:55 on the Superduty? Not into lifting the truck and use stock size tires. I tow a 20k 5th wheel toy hauler through the mountains of Colorado. I hear the 3:31 has the same ratio as the 3:55 in 9th gear (1480ish rpm @75mph) but also can chug along in 10th gear for better mpg.
It's wild that even with the lower profile tires on the duramax, he said that it rides the best loaded. All I care about in a truck is reliability and comfort as my truck basically is used for towing. The L5P is clearly the most reliable of the modern diesels
Eh, delete them and they are all A1. My buddy works for gm and says the gm has electrical problems
The Ram is built for Hotshot work and it has the best towing
What were the gear ratios of each truck? Thanks
Ram 3.73, Ford 3.55, GM 3.42
I have to wonder when you're referring to shift and lockup schedules of tuned trucks if they manipulated by the tunes? I know the Aisin transmission cannot be manipulated, where my RAM 2500 with the 68RFE and trans tunes made it a COMPLETELY different truck to drive.. I feel if the others had custom schedules that this comparison would still not be fair for RAM.. I know it's hard to hit every point when doing these comparisons..
Only the ford had transmission tuning. The Duramax and Cummins both had only engine tuning.
If ram just kept making the g56 6 speed manual an option that’d be my preferred transmission.
That makes 2 of us.
3 lol, but it makes sense since it was the least sold transmission. In the end its our fault we didn't buy enough of them
@@calebleuciuc670 they need to just go to the ZF6
I feel all around the Ford scores the highest. But to each their own!!! They are all great trucks. We just being men are so into every detail it’s funny.
Great Stuff thanks for sharing - I'm not behind your thoughts on the 10 speed in the Duramax, I feel its a great asset since you now have a gear for any load at any speed, you don't get that in a 6 speed. You buy a HD truck to pull, when you pulling a load the last thing you want is the transmission to skip gears. I'm a long time Cummins guy, just changed out for a 24' GMC HD, I'm really enjoying it. Like you said the ride and feel of the Jimmy is unlike the other two trucks. Keep up the great work! Mike
@LowOnCash Thank you for sharing your experience with your 2024 L5P. We totally agree with you when it comes to towing which is what these trucks are designed for. The 10-speed definitely takes the cake. However for a purely performance application the 6-speed is king.
Thanks for the reply - keep up the great work on your site!
Mike
My 2021 Duramax 6.6 high country with the Allison 10 speed tranny does feel like it can do a whole lot better but it seems like it struggles through the gears... it acually drives way better when I'm pulling my trailer... I thought it was just me... but yes. The potential is there for performance... I don't think the Ford is an option for me I would definitely do a Cummings if I had to..
The smartest thing ford every did was make their own Diesel engine in house The 6.7 powerstroke has been a solid engine
Was that a joke or are u serious. The power stroke has been the most problematic diesel out of the three.
@@killakali9845 comparing it to other ford powerstrokes 6.0 and 6.4
@@killakali9845 did you even read his comment?
Fun comparison to watch, but very different trucks a dully ,an off road truck and a fancy Forman truck.
when you have been building diesel engines for over 100 years.....trust me they don't need the most horsepower and torque ......they need to pull.....welcome to cummins.
The cummins is in the cheapest pick ups ever build dodge rams always falling apart tranis, front end 4wd interor always falling apart just garbage
righhhhtttt..I have had 2 long term , high mileage rams..really no issues.. just sold my sport chassis.. RAM 3500 is at the top of my list..I will look at Ford but chevvy..not a chance..
Says the guy driving a girly GM diesel.....ram ( semi)....GM, it's what a diesel guy buys his wife/girlfriend....😆
@@RamonMartinez-uk1nt That's why 95% of hotshot companies buy Rams. How many million mile Dirtymaxs are there? Hell I know guys who freaking throw a party if their Dirtymax makes it to 60,000 miles. The irony is GM gas motors are pretty much bulletproof. The Isuzu is a pile of junk and everyone knows it, including the idiots who made the mistake of buying one. Ford.... hit and miss. The truck is decent. The interior is out of a 1990s Taurus. Their spotty reputation and an engine bay that looks like a child designed the wiring and hoses makes a lot of people nervous. An aluminum blocked V8 diesel isn't the recipe for success which is why you'll see very few Hotshoters running them.
@behindbarstv4340 i blew my 07 chevy up at 560 miles. It finally died aftwr years of abuse and with lots of added power through tuning
I have a fully deleted and ECM, TCM tuned 2020 F350 and y'all are on the money about the power. Even with Tune 1 it just has power anywhere you want it.
I love my new cummins i hate independent suspension thats what made me go with my 6.7l its my second cummins i had an 06 5.9 but the interior on my new truck is amazing
What truck would nick choose?? You didn't ask him the $85k question!! WTF!
That's because we discuss it in the final video. Stay tuned.
$85k? Pah, try $93k+ with Tax, Title, License and Interest
I LOVE my 2020 GMC 3500HD AT4...drives like a dream, tows even better(22.5k GN), and it's bone stock...It's hard for me to imagine that it could be any better than it is, towing or not...
Love my 18 ram 3500 srw with aisin. Its strong and pulls 30k lbs stock. These arent race trucks! Aisin is plenty fast stock, loaded or not. The guys complaining about empty shifting r the idiots driving a 1ton to walmart.
1 ton is being too generous. How about 1 Yeti cooler?
What about longevity of the v-8's? There is a reason Cummins quit making the 903 v-8. The V-8's have less low end torque. Maybe they have improved but after many years of working on diesel engines of all sorts the inline 6 will out last any v-8.
What about the 7.3? Plenty with over 500K on them. Plenty of Duramax Engines still rolling coal at 500K and above
When is the L5P turbo going to be ready? 😉lol
Hopefully soon!
Cummins just can’t be beat for towing doing more with less hp
2021 6.7 HO cummins is 1075 and cp3 pump
I still chose the 21 f350 6.7 tremor . I think its the best overall truck. 6.7 powerstroke is an absolute beast. Delete egr/dpf...its a million mile motor...steal pistons is incredible
@@resharddurdley6987 where is a 6.7 powerjoke with a million miles?
@@joshdixon8624 The tooth fairy and Santa Claus might have a million mile Powerjoke or Dirtymax.
@@joshdixon8624 where is ram making there own hd Diesel engine?
I hope I'm not so poor I have to ride I any of them a million miles, Ford kick ass for five years, I'll get another one.......lol
I have watched all five of your videos this morning, and for the most part I agree with a lot of what you guys say and think you guys put a lot of good information together and did good putting puttin all things together as a complete package. One thing I think you should have put more effort in to was a discussion of reliability. Excluding 19 and 20 Rams and certain years of older Duramaxes, ford would be in my opinion the less reliable due to their fuel system. I know some guys go thousands of miles with a cp4, and some guys don't even make it out of warranty before they have a cp4 go down. There is good reason that Ram ditched the cp4 after only 2 years and GM also ditched the cp4 in 2017. Ford is still using that
Pump. And in my opinion that's a terrible pump to use terrible quality for us consumers especially at the price point. The next questionable thing with the Ford is the non-serviceable 10-speed transmission. In my opinion that's stupid for a truck made to work and towheavy loads. Ford is pretty much given us a throwaway transmission, if they were cheap that would be one thing, but they're not cheap if you could even get one in the first place. A machine made to work should have a serviceable transmission and should at least have a dipstick for checking oil level. Which the new 10 speed in the Ford does not have. I'd say the RAM and GM would be a few steps more reliable than the Ford and that should be a major concern to anybody looking to buy an $80000 plus truck.
I had a 21 F350, I had it for a month before I decided to trade it on a 21 Ram. I will say the Ford is a rocket ship and definitely a race truck out of the three, especially over the ram. But with tuning that is less of an issue. Although I still give Ford nod for power. Other than that the ram was just a nicer truck, way better exhaust break, nicer interior definitely a quieter interior. Have not spent much time in a GM, so can't comment on that. But a sound quality inside the cab between the Ford and the ram was no comparison to me or my wife. The ram wins hands down. Ram also has a couple cool futures and such the foud does not, one thing with the ram is you are able to view any of the cameras at any time while going down the road, Ford does not and I believe still does not have that option.
The last thing I'll point on that you guys did not, is how much easier the Cummins motor is to work on, for most things, changing oil on the other hand is definitely more of a pain on the ram then the Ford, but other than that when the time comes you have to do repairs I'd much rather be doing it on the ram over the Ford or GM. Whether I was paying to have it done or doing it myself.
Appreciate the feedback.
All I know is my 22’ HO cummins when it’s gots a trailer and towhaul is on. It’s a freight train. I wish it drove like that unloaded. It literally lives to pull.
They really are tow beasts!
@@Duramaxtuner lmao I re-read what I posted and I sound like a loon…. *when it has a trailer* lol.
Transmission makes a huge difference in pulling power. If cummins had ford's 10 speed behind it their would be zero competition In pulling power. More gears means lower starting gears. Same thing goes when you put a manual in Low/1st gear they will roll without even touching the throttle no matter what behind it just because the gear is low as my life
"the gear is low as my life" might be the best comment of the year.
The Ram destroyed the other 2 in the drag race. They glossed over that very quickly for some reason. LOL!
@@behindbarstv4340 I think because of the gear ratio. It had the lowest gearing which dramatically helps off the line performance especially with the load.
TFL did a sound test. And the Cummins was quieter
I prefer the Cummins. That in-line 6 putting out the torque in a lower RPM range just seems way better for towing
Totally understand that.
So many armchair experts here its hilarious reading all the comments. Some of the anecdotes and excuses blow me away
And that’s why Cummins have a record for being on the road more than both ford and chevy because it’s Not about how fast you can get the job done, it’s about doing it properly and safe.
Ya and I got a 2011 gmc 2500hd duramax with almost 300,000 miles on it and tow a 13,000 lbs rv and it still runs like a champ
Ive had all three new modern diesels. I am a ford guy and always will be. It painful for me to say, but the lml duramax will tow mt. Everest and never break a sweat, hands down the toughest on out there. I pull a 24k gooseneck with an excavator in the nc mountains, ram cannot keep the trans, also truck redlines the entire time when engine brakeing down the hill. My 18 f250 has by far the best engine braking down the mountain with tow haul and wxhaust brake. Its an 8% grade for 5 miles. I only have to hit the brakes once. The ford tows just like the ram with low end torque, its just got a way better trans. The 2011 2500 dmax, you have to floor it around to tow as it has no ass on the bottom end, but once it's in it happy 2800-3000rpms it will pull any grade. There is on hill that is 18% grade, and I said that correct, the ram cant even touch it, the ford actually stops and wont go any more 1/2 the way up. The GM actually pulls it all the way through! Say what you want but I pull with all f250s, 2500s, and I rank gm and Ford equal. Ram a no go.
This is nice video but they are all 3 very close so why not look into the build quality. How is the engine designed or how reliable is the transmission. How easy is it to work on or how easy is it to do maintenance. The cummins is an old design engine and cast iron and seems like would be .ore bullet proof. I've heard the gmc and ford have aluminum heads. If a trucks ride is slightly better but the other truck is more reliable, I pick reliable over anything. Why not add in a review how to change oil, the transmission fluid. Maybe take a look at the design of the engine and transmission.
I don't get why only 1 is a dually. Not a Argument ender for sure.
What about fuel economy loaded versus unloaded why is everyone avoids the question of cost per mile, with fuel prices going up every day it's a big factor!
The reason everyone skips that topic is the endless questions and debates that stem from it. Driving habits, elevation, load, and so many other factors come into play with MPG. In our experience, high teens to low twenties are should be expected from a tuned, unloaded emissions equipped truck.
That's true but you could give the MPG that you encountered while doing your tests and state that it's only what you got in your tests!!! the results may vary.
It’s a shame a person can’t get a manual trans.
Wish you guys would sell Allison trans tune to me. Trans tuning isn't illegal to sale for a deleted and tuned LMM Duramax. The trans tunes are not deleting anything, just adjusting shift points, down shift, and TC lockup.
Love your trans tune videos, contacted you to buy the trans tune and got rejected.
Lost all my business and respect and have let my fellow diesel drivers know about it too.
What a shame.
PPEI will sale me their trans tunes, even knowing the truck is deleted and engine tuned by another tuner. They know and understand trans tunes are perfectly legal to sale regardless if a truck is deleted or not.
We did not refuse to sell you the TCM tunes because your truck is deleted. We only sell TCM tunes to trucks that have our engine tunes. There is a difference. The only way to get transmission tuning right is to match it to your engine tunes. See, if we tune your TCM and have no idea what parameters are set in your ECM, how can we diagnose any future driveability or tuning issues? The answer is, we can't. We value your feedback. However, we will not be selling products to customers unless we know we can stand behind it. While I am truly sorry to hear that you are unsatisfied with our standards, we stand behind our advice to get TCM tuning from whoever tuned your ECM.
I drive a 2018 Cummins dually everyday for work. My lb7 would blow the doors off that turd. 75000 dollar waist of space
Sounds like your dually needs a tune.
Ram kills them all in quality and the big aisan trans is built by Toyota best tow rig out there why u think hotshot guys use rams ?
Why are you saying that the Ford has 900 and something tq? The 20 Ford has 1050 lb ft of torque which is class leading!
Rated numbers and our dyno often show deviation. We briefly address it in the final video of the series.
The Ram is 1,075.
I just brought a 2021 F350 6.7 Tremor. Badd Azz truck...just incredible.
A close 2nd that I considered was the 21 Ram 3500 big horn with 6.7 HO cummins 4:10 gears cp3 1075 torque
But ford was 6k cheaper
Wait until that CP4 shits and see how much you saved. Not to mention having to deal with an interior right out of a 1990s Ford Taurus.
I like my taurus, 😂 don't be jealous
The Ford makes 1050 stock.
Not on our dyno.
Duramaxtuner Crank not wheel.
The Ram makes 1,075.
I test all 3 and both 2500’s and ended up with the 3500 cummins, the ford road the best, felt the fastest and most powerful but the cummins was close in comfort and the fuel economy being so much higher made it worth the trade off. The GMC was the ugliest and did not ride like an 86k truck
The Cummins is always solid!
Why put a dually in this? Makes no sense
We took the 3 trucks we had access to in the shop.
Please tune a 3.0 Duramax! That truck would destroy the 1/2 ton market with a few more ponies.
But the whole reason to get a half ton diesel is fuel economy isn't it?
@@jonnyg9330 who said that you would have to give up fuel economy. For the most part diesels do better with a tune anyway as long as you aren't constantly hammering them.
@@mendiesel7932 yes you're correct there are fuel economy tunes that give you more power. But let's be realistic most people aren't doing it for that. Honestly I think tunes cause more trouble than they're worth, more so with older diesels, newer ones im less sure about. To be fair I keep my vehicles for a long time, I see a lot of guys get rid of trucks when they're out of warranty
@@jonnyg9330 I'd Be getting a new truck every two years if I got rid of them after warranty expired.
Really the 3.0 Duramax just needs a bit more getup at highway passing. Other than that, its a sweet little diesel.
@@mendiesel7932 I was looking at one for about 6 months found one I really liked, but in the end I found a really clean lb7
L5p is the best
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Did back to back drives of a 2020 duramax vs a 2020 powerstroke. Ford 10sp blows the Allison 10sp away. Duramax rides better then Ford.
The gmc IFS does not compare to the ram or the Ford you'll be replacing front end parts 2 some times 3 to 1. It's rides like a car because it's front end is built like one.
😆 b.s.
I'd take the Ram 1st- best looking, best interior, Cummins torque and exhaust brake, option of factory rear air suspension. I loved my '18 Cummins Aisin Ram, only real downside is the Aisin isn't tuneable. I'd take the Ford 2nd, I like the alumiduties.
The GM twins can burn in hell. They're absolutely HIDEOUS!! Like Pontiac Aztek levels of hideous. GM needs an emergency restyle of those abominations. I also don't like IFS on an HD truck.
Also, as a point of emphasis- all the new diesels are whisper quite. Too quite in fact, I wish they were much louder. I like diesel clatter.
Dodge rams always falling apart they make trucks that look good but don't last garbage
@@RamonMartinez-uk1nt you like commenting on everyone’s posts talking crap lol sounds like you’ve never owned a ram. No one likes a fanboy...
@@Turndog375 I'm not a fan boy I like fors,gm,toyota ,Honda those hold together really good the only thing that holdds together for the ram is whats not made by dodge ram fiat which are the engine and de new transmission from 14 and up i belive I've see how rams fall apart man I'm not just saying it to be a dick or a fan boy transmission fronend 4wd interior looks nice af but not for long the doors sound so cheap
@@Turndog375 and I will never own a r fiat at least not 2019 and down I will have to see how the new one hold.
@@RamonMartinez-uk1nt none of that is true lol you’re just another clueless fanboy who runs their mouth.
Interesting review, sounds unbiased as any. However, please stop using the word “positivity”! The liberals and snowflakes love the “tivity” words.
Those words are all about emotional feelings and “sensitivity”… 😩
Cummins is more reliable
2020 Ford is completely trash, I’ve drove a brand new 2020 Ford across country 3 times for work pulling a light enclosed trailer to pick up equipment from job sites, the 10 speed it had was the biggest joke of a transmission, it didn’t have any power pulling a 4K pound trailer at the most loaded after 70 mph, averaged between 5.6 - 6.5mpg on all 3 trips, most uncomfortable interior ive been in, exhaust brakes sucked, and truck swayed all over the road with the trailer loaded and unloaded.
With the factory air level system on RAM is EASILY the best ride! GM bias is showing (big shock)
I like the Duramax always I just don't like a Ford all a Dodge
GM interiors are junk!!!
Ford F-250 and ram 3500 better than gmc
Cummins gets 5 more miles per gallon................
That has not been our experience.
7 thumbs down from the Tundra group.
You're never going to get to be in the cool kids club throwing around thumbs down Ed.
As usual the duramax is the best engine and ride, too bad GM gave it a cheap interior. It's crazy how GM hasn't improved it after seeing Ram steal their customers over the last 2 years. Most people judge a vehicle by its interior and exterior appearance and the Ram wins by a mile over GM and Ford.
Do you keep the defuel settings for the aisin equipped trucks ?
Yes, indeed. Our goal is to have the Aisin live a long and happy life.
@@Duramaxtuner I’ll have to get some tuning from you I just picked up a 2021 ho Cummins a