Should I Delete My Diesel? The Truth about Diesel Emissions
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- čas přidán 17. 10. 2018
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Today on the Real Deal at Insane Diesel, we are going to talk about “Deletes”. That includes EGR Delete, DPF Delete, SCR Delete. It's all about Emissions.
Diesel Trucks are very useful and becoming more popular, usually because they get better gas mileage than a gas engine, have greater towing power, and the engines are far more durable. But whether you are new to diesels or are simply considering getting a newer model, you are going to have to deal with the new emissions controls.
This may leave you with questions like: what the heck is Diesel Exhaust Fluid? What is Re-gen? And likely the really great question on your mind is probably:
Should I delete them? Or, how do I get them deleted?
This is Ernest with the Real Deal: • Ernest & the Real Deal - Auta a dopravní prostředky
I've been a diesel mechanic for 30++++years. And i work for a school bus company at present time and these emissions on the new diesels are my nightmare!
We need an EPA delete.
breaking news: actual mechanic sh!ts on government regulations for 12 miniutes.
Hilarious
He probably would have gotten more views with that, you should be his PR rep.
@Lance Counihan ah yes, the braindead prius driver, youre a little late bud.
@Lance Counihan Diesel emissions are far cleaner than gasoline emissions. The black smoke that comes out is actually MOSTLY oxygen. It's funny that just because it looks dirty, you think that it pollutes more than a gas motor. You're a sheep.
@Lance Counihan does it hurt being fucking braindead?
Lots to learn in this. But, there are some misconceptions. I owned a 2012 Ford 6.7 that I drove stock until 38,000 miles. Then deleted. I also own a stock 2018 Ford 6.7.
1.) The reduction in fuel mileage during regeneration occurs infrequently. On my 6.7 Ford it's roughly every 500-600 miles. It regenerates for 12-24 miles depending on driving conditions. Otherwise, the engine is not using extra fuel to regenerate.
2.) I deleted a power stroke and put over 60,000 miles on it. I track every fill up with miles driven and fuel added. I gained less than 3/4 mpg overall. So, maybe there are folks who can take a snapshot of 100 miles driven at 55 mph on flat ground and see something significant....but show me the data...several thousand miles driven before and after delete with gallons consumed. And no, I am not one who hammers on vehicles. I am not saying a mpg increase can't happen....I am saying that when I go on websites about mpg and also look at my own results, there wasn't enough increase in fuel mileage to justify the cost of the delete. Check out Fuelly.com and my super duty seems to hit right in the average for other vehicles.
3.) The different strategies to raise the exhaust temperature CAN have an effect on engine oil....but so can an injector that fails open. I've put over 70,000 miles on non deleted 2012 and 2018 super duties and have every oil change sent for analysis. No oil dilution problems. Thus, the emission system is not negatively impacting the motor.
4.) Coking can occur with the EGR system, correct. I believe a lot of these issues have been mitigated with newer strategies. Early model diesels with the emissions systems suffered from myriad issues. Today's diesels have far fewer incidents.
5.) There is a real difference in what comes out the tailpipe. I am not a fan of black soot and while it may be a heavy particle, it does cause visible problems and health issues.
Things I liked about my deleted truck: Whistle of turbo, peace of mind with knowing I wouldn't have sensor problems. Things I didn't like: exhaust smell, no warranty.
Thanks for sharing the video and information. Your explanation of the exhaust components was great!
Sprinter owner, got 19mpg before and 25mpg after. Huge difference, probably depends on the make and model you own how much change you experience. Had constant sensor issues and dealer support was frankly underwhelming (9 reset and repair appointments in first three months of ownership, no ability to "fix" issues). Now, no sensor issues and no dealer support, so I feel that is basically a net improvement.
My HVAC guy said the exact thing about his 6.7 virtually no increase in mileage, still on the fence with my dmax
@@smittys19daytona I only deleted out of frustration with my short commute and "drive for filter cleaning" when I got home or to work. 2018 model and 2022 model haven't done that. Better strategy for regeneration I guess. Deleting for mileage is not going to make 99% of people happy.
Yes...I've heard the people say they get 25 mpg. They own a unicorn or don't know how to do math.
I have an '04 duramax with a set of rebuilt Bosch injectors. The old ones started leaking fuel into the oil. With the rebuilt one my oil level stays dead on the full line now. My fuel mileage dropped from 12L/100 k miles to 14L/100 K miles. I was just looking at the average fuel consumption for a 2020 Silverado with a 6.6 and it's somewhere around 16L/100K miles. However the new trucks are bigger and have way more HP and Torque than my '04. I find it hard to believe you can get 30 to 50% better fuel mileage with a delete.
I'm more worried about longevity. When my warranty is up, I will probably delete it, so I can leave it idle when it's -20 degrees f out there. Plus all the soot going back in, ect.
I'm with the group that thinks this was a very informative video. You did a good job of explaining what each new part does to a diesel engine and why the engineers really aren't coming up with any good solutions.
Why should an engineer have to come up with a solution? The entire concept of diesel exhaust emission controls was created and is pushed by the Chinese Communist party through means of propaganda, And it is an act of war with specific and malicious intent to destroy the economy of the United States. This is specifically how the Chinese Communist party is controlling our are entire transportation infrastructure, And they are using this as a plan to cripple nations. The Chinese Communist party controls 95 % of the supply supply of diesel exhaust fluid. The Chinese Communist party can Embargo a country, And prevent it from imports of the DEF, This act will stop most of the logistics and will stop agricultural production, Thus resulting in Civil War and starvation of a nation. Then of course the Chinese Communist party can then come in and take more control of the country.
Thank you so much. Great explanation on deletes. Ive been on the fence but now convinced to get the delete.
Well there is not much extra they can do without it being electric 🤣
His explanation of the DOC was very weak at best the DPF cannot operate without the chemical reaction taking place in the DOC. The DOC provides the heat to make a regen occur and thus cleaning the DPF until the soot load is to high and then you have to remove the DPF and have it cleaned
I wonder who makes the def fluid, and how much they've been donating to political candidates.
DEF = DEATH fluid
The politics are probably investors in all the different companies that are profiting off all the "safer and cleaner" changes going on in the industry.
@@CJPugh04 of course they are that's what they do they get with her Buddies they buy into companies that are ran in prisons so they get free labor
That's another politician's business, they are the ones who hot hands on every major company out there..
the fluid or rather the only ingredient beside water has been made longer than diesels have needed def. its urea its is commonly used as fertilizer
What a great explanation. First time I’ve had the new emissions explained. Favorite quote, (paraphrased) “Sometimes the government fix is worse than the original problem”. Perfectly said.
😂 This guy is full of 💩
One thing I will say on the government fix is you won't see any of this on military equipment way too many problems to be reliable in a war situation
No it not he retarded and use gas mileage instead of mileage or fuel mileage for example 🙄
I'm disappointed you only have two videos. Please film some more. You're actually one of the most knowledgeable people on CZcams talking about diesel
Probably got a deleted email from Hilary
This is not his official channel search insane diesel…you’re welcome
No, this guy is completely full of $hit.
Deleted my 2010 Ram 3500 one month after I bought it, 9 years later and 300,000 kms, best thing I ever did. Better fuel economy, more pulling power, no DPF issues. Full delete, but guess what, every 20,000 or so kms, a 'service exhaust system soon' message comes up on my dash. A timed message from the manufacturer no doubt so they can suck you into spending some more money at their shop. I have never brought my truck in for any emissions or exhaust work since it was deleted, so that is a scam for sure.
I did mine after struggling the five years while on warranty. No problems since, sounds awesome and works, starts no problem
Ronald Reagan once said “the scariest thing to ever hear is I’m from the government and I’m here to help”
And he was the head of the government for 8 years! Reagan run for government office to scare people and not help them!
Reagan was shit. Fucker helped give immunity to judges, lawyers, and LEO's. Made it okay to lie -- as long as it was for a just cause. Gave illegals amnesty, AND helped big pharma. Fucker was the original version of Trump... yet people still drank his koolaid. Kids, anymore, do not research.
He also did this thing called, uh, Reaganomics I think, where he gave MASSIVE tax breaks to the wealthiest people and corporations while also deregulating the private and public sectors. This lead to the devaluation of the dollar and the start of wholesale job exportation to a lil place called Chiinaa. Ever heard of it?
To cover the growing deficit created by the rich no longer paying their share of taxes Ronnie boy had to cut government spending. Just dumb stuff like public education for the children or public services.
That lil quote you said was some real quality 1940s Germany type propaganda designed to dupe voters into paying more taxes for less empowerment for the populace that comes from governmental programs like small business loans, roads for commerce, and education for our children.
Bet you ripped up your stimulus check tho!
Just remember that quote the next time you hit a pothole or find lead in your tap water..
@@simpleKyle well said. Facts rules but some hate to hear that from St. Regan. Don’t forget the mental facilities he also closed thru defunding. And now we pay for that too.
@@simpleKyle It's why "women's suffrage" was instrumental; another + ~51% of the population to tax. I didn't/don't qualify for "free-money". 100% T&P Vet, and I don't qualify. LLOLOLOLOL
I knew most of this but you did a really good job explaining it. A picture is worth a 1000 words.
This guy really knows what he’s talking about I’ve been undecided 🤷♂️ for a while, now I’m going to get my car DPF, EGR deleted. Great tutorial info
I’d like to take a moment to recognize the peanut gallery with their perfect sound effect timing.
Love it
This video should be mandatory viewing for any committee, involved in clean-air legislation.
Only effective when big Corp cannot bribe, oh, I mean donate to the rule makers....
Great explanation of diesel emission controls. You are 100% correct that the cure is worse than the disease when it comes to engine emission controls. I have noticed the same with gasoline engines as well, although the gains from deleting the emission controls on a gas engine are nowhere near as significant as they are on diesel engines. I have long thought that the environment would be better served if regulators focused more on efficient combustion verses emission treatment. Great video. Well done.
Just like a pill pushing doctor. Keep treating the symptoms because finding the cure won't make money.
I absolutely agree. More efficient engines are truly the answer.
The problem is that "more efficient" by the laws of physics entails stoichiometric combustion specifically because all else being equal the hotter the burn the more efficient the engine. But Nitrogen in the air ionizes well below that temperature, so an efficient engine by definition has nitrogen ions flying around during combustion, and nitrogen ions like to bond with oxygen, creating NOX.
NOX is not that big of an issue if the burn is stoichiometric, like current petrol engines, because it is easily removed as long as the exhaust doesn't have significant oxygen remaining. But current diesels run lean, and so have oxygenated exhausts.
And current diesel design sucks when running stoichiometrically. Since the combustion chamber walls are relatively cold combustion is quenched and you end up "rolling coal". So yes, the compression ignition engine needs a complete overhaul since the two types of emissions, NOX vs everything else, can't be easily handled at the same time without running stoichometrically, and soot forms near surfaces that are below ignition temperature.
So yes, a complete redesign of compression ignition engines is required. They need to be replaced with hot wall ignition engines. This solves the soot problem while enabling stoichiometric combustion, which enables a cheap three-way cat to function.
I have a 09 6.6 Duramax 250,000 mi. The DPF is presently doing its regen now I seen this video and in the area I live in it doesn’t get its annual inspection , I do occasionally haul a car to racetracks with a gooseneck. I’m mostly interested in the mph and occasionally more torque, so interested in a delete, advise???
Combustion has been just about perfect for decades. But perfect, 100% combustion makes pollution.
What a great job explaining these systems and their pos/negative effect. One of the easiest to understand on this topic I have seen.
He gets some things correct, but he doesn’t have a full understanding of how all these emissions systems work. I also like how he threw in his product placement at the end.
@@robertwoods532 I know this was 3 years ago you tell the audience what he missed all this crap is killing my state of California the report by heatran was the fake one has a fake PHD still works for California
My '08 cat C13 mileage increased 40% after deletion. Blew my mind...
That's contrary to the shop I use that has lightened up scores. Maybe 3 mpg increase but way easier on the engine. Keep that truck.
@@davidanderson8469 2.4mpg to 4.3mpg
Im running 2017 kenworth B model with a 3406E.. thank God for glider kits
@@lordhumongous9126 .is your truck eld exempt?
@@robertdivany1627 yup
Man thank you for this video! I agree with every word you said. Great explanation of all this emissions bull****! Keep it up!
HEAVENS YES! I have watched many videos to gather what you've told me in less than 15 minutes. Thank you sir.
Should you delete? .. ABSOLUTELY. i spent hundreds and hundreds of dollars and a lot of down time trying to stay legal, before i said enough and did the smart thing.
Wish i did it the day i bought the truck
9th injector, def tank heater, 3 forced 30 minute regens, and a straight pipe. In that order. I’ll never go back to legal 🤙🏻
EGR is why we need DPF. They could have just done SCR.
Ellenor Malik I just paid $2,700 for a brand new SCR on a Sprinter. We’re getting screwed by the dealerships because they do not clean them. They make you buy new ones.
@@eddilovee A racket if I ever saw one.
Ellenor Malik I know right! I’m ignorant to all this emissions stuff. After paying the damn money. I now start my research like a dummy. I guess I’m going for the delete option. This is my livelihood. I witnessed a friend cough up roughly 40k in 3yrs on a 2011 Sprinter. 90% of it do to emissions. Sprinters are made by Mercedes. You can imagine the invoices.
If a deleted diesel gets 50% better mileage, it would appear half as much fuel would be used. Then you get into reduced pollution from diesel fuel production, transportation, storage, etc. It's screwy to have all this crap on an engine to reduce vehicle emissions at the cost of increasing fuel consumption, decreased engine life, increasing vehicle maintenance costs, reducing reliability, etc.
I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I've always felt like the petroleum industry was in cahoots with the epa to increase fuel consumption.
Hmmmm....I'm sure that no pollutants are created while manufacturing the emissions components or disposing of them after they fail either...you raise a great point but unfortunately not many people believe anything other than what they hear on cnn
@@JetSkiBuyFixPlaySellChannel , Not really, they make enough money off of the nominal cost of fuel consumed, plus even more money off of the manufacturing of plastics and other products made out of a barrel of oil.
@@charlesangell_bulmtl Do you also think that the oil and car companies also dismantled the Los Angeles electric commuter rail system? Or did you read the facts and see that the invention of the affordable automobile and the fact that the rail line was not maintained for years before they bought it, then sold their interest while it was still operational?
@@charlesangell_bulmtl , Yes, I believe that J.D.R. was for lowering the alcohol consumption, nothing else.
Read the facts here, as your myth is busted yet again... www.greencarreports.com/news/1110219_ethanol-wasnt-killed-by-prohibition-at-rockefellers-request-another-alt-fuel-myth-busted
What a well made video thankyou for this information!
1:31....I was expecting another long intro....just busting your chops man. Very informative video my friend. Thank you for making it.
If there is any way for the government to mess up things for the public, they will.
You can say that again.
If there is any way for the government to mess up things for the public they will. We can say it as many times as we like but the government is stupid
tractorboy31 Amen Brother
tractorboy31
Yes because the government is the public enemy. It doesn’t care about public health issues. It just enjoys annoying people, car owner especially. [sarcasm]
“Gas mileage can be reduced up to 30% to 50%” any references to back this up?
A normally functioning DPF will hardly effect mileage. A clogged DPF will reduce mileage dramatically. But a clogged DPF is symptom not a cause. If you have a DPF problem, check your MAF sensor, injectors, etc.
I still have the original DPF on my car with 235k on it. And it still runs like when it was new.
Every diesel engine lover Should collaborate and file a massive class action lawsuit. Charging the EPA for every repair that their equipment has caused and future repairs or until they allow us to do whatever the hell we want to our own vehicles. That will get their attention hit them in the pocket.
Class action law suit sounds good. Hell, Monsanto has a class action law suit against them for glyphosate causing hodgkin's lymphoma. EPA is causing cancer to my 2014 Ram.
Let's do it!
GO AFTER THE GOVT.? ? ? ? ? ? Need I remind you that hillary is still walking around and NOT in prison. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Lmao and everyone else will be filing a class action against car manufacturers.
While you're at it file a class suit against the nasty people who make cigarette companies put those horrible pictures on cig packs.
Cost me $5036 for new SCR on 2018 Ram this year in FEB that I currently drive, 2months later now come another engine light and dealer is wanting another $4k for bad driver (6 all together) for DEF Port, which they are saying it is making it fail ! Can you say delete
Wow! thank you so much for all of the great information. This has helped me greatly with making truck purchase decisions based on the best fuel economy after deleting.
So deleting my Diesel will also save me mpg ?
i recently bought a diesel mercedes and am having issues with the nox sensor. This was very informative
Wow! Thank you. That was the most helpful video I’ve seen. My brain is wired to find out the how’s and why’s. And you nailed it. Now I guess I need to look over my warranty and start saving my pennies. As soon as it’s safe to do some deletes, it’s done.
I will just drive my 1958 tractor down the highway.
Take videos and post! You will be very popular!
Won't be long before they'll ban those too.
i took my 1946 john deere B to the corner store last week
One old timer back home in the 1970s drove his Farmall to the "beer garden" after a DUI.....got him around for a year. He's in his 80's and looks GREAT! Imbalming fluid. !
I have a 58 Ford diesel tractor, also ,I'll wave at you when we pass lol
Dude! mad informative video, you answered all my questions, big thank you!
Absolute great job explaining this
Def is saving the planet one plastic jug at a time
Lol!
California is debating eliminating def because it is caustic.
Fuck California. I'm a good ole Tennessean
@@jottow680 and look at the mess CARB has made with this whole god damn thing. many commercial truck owners lost their ability to support themselves. way to go kalifornia
So many things could be helped by adding propane injection to diesels.
Thank you for the video, very informative.
Great video, very informative thanks.
I saw you when you threw the marker and I drank the fluid before you told me not to. Besides these inconveniences, I appreciate your quality content. The corporations are trying to kill the Diesel engines, because these engines have a longer life, consume less, have more torque and are more efficient. Diesel is way less pollutant than many of the factories, pesticides on the crops, chemicals in our food and weapons testing. Maybe no more than petrol engines. I love Diesel.
Just run a 7.3 or 12 valve. no worries.
Still rockin both a 93 and 95 club cab.
My 7.3 ate a glow plug tip last week. It took out cylinder #7. It was well maintained and had 132k miles.
I thought I was playing it safe with a nicer 7.3. No worries...until your engine blows up in the driveway due to a bad glow plug. Shit happens. Diesels are expensive.
Dont buy a diesel unless you've got deep pockets.
Phil Rautine, I’m with you on that. The 7.3 and 12v 5.9 are very reliable and will run a long time.
And deal with the rest of the truck falling apart around the engine.
I run a 6.blow and it’s been good so far 250k with stock head gaskets I deleted it long ago
That was an excellent tutorial, thank you
Very informative. Thanks! I love your audience participation as well. haha
Wow! You should teach a course on this! I pull a 10,000 lbs. gooseneck horse trailer, and am trying to decide if I should trade in the 6.0L gasser for a diesel for better fuel economy and longer engine life. Your video supports previous advice to buy a gasser if I want a 2010 or newer truck. I've read there can be stiff fines and penalties in every state for driving a deleted diesel truck on roads.
Never did like the idea of an engine running on it's own waste, keep it old school well serviced and tuned keeps it easier for average people to own and maintain 🙂👍
Ever hear of GEET?
Which is the opposite of what They want
Uh.... on my friends 2018 ram that is deleted we found that if the turner does a good job it still burns extremely clean. It can be ran on its highest setting +200hp and you can only get any smoke at low boost which with the newer turbos isn’t for very long. Biggest thing I noticed is that the stock turbo went from running 26psi max boost to 39psi max boost. That for obvious reason adds a lot of power. Didn’t notice any increase in fuel mileage however didn’t see a decrease which was surprising considering how much more fuel is added to go along with the extra 13 pounds of boost. So far so good. Unloaded probably 500# worth of crap off the truck and dropped the egt considerably. That’s all due to the huge reduction in the exhaust back pressure. This is his 6th deleted ram and will do it again. This one was deleted at 140 miles and it was amazing how much build up was already in the egr cross over tube. Also another thing to consider is how extremely corrosive def is. It’s literally liquid urea which is used as a nitrogen fertilizer on farms across the United States. Great vid. Thanks.
Great video on how this all works. Both my daily driver and hotshot truck uses the 7.3 Powerstroke which thankfully has nothing to delete. I am planning on buying a semi soon and already knew I wanted a pre DEF truck and will buy one that is pre 2000 if possible. There is a tradeoff between comfort in the cab and engine performance / reliability. I think I will choose to be more comfortable when I retire and not worry about it while I'm driving.
If you can get a N14 power plant one of the best engines ever made I worked at a KW dealership for 25 years and can still count on 1 hand how many I overhauled they do have a few problems but nothing major unlike Cat or Detroit
@@davidsignor7931 I wound up buying a 2010 Peterbilt 387 with an ISX-15 (CM-871). Dealer said it was a 10 speed... guess they didn't know what the little red lever on the shifter was for. Turned out to be a 13 speed. I wasn't mad... makes it better for hauling heavy flatbed loads!
Sick video brotha!! Absolutely loved it. Very very helpful, thankyou!🙋♂️👍
A very informative video. We get robbed here in Commiefornia with extortion gas and especially diesel prices due to the parasitic tax and spend politicians. Now that I have ascertained that this garbage DEF system not only reduces my mileage it also causes more engine failures and one has less power. I will look into getting my RAM def deleted.
Hell why don't ya try your luck with one of those junk pre 2014 engines that they made while trying to dodge paying royalties to fiat and see how you like them
I gave you a thumbs up, as the presentation was excellent. One minor annoying point - substitute Fuel mileage for gas mileage. Just sounds wrong saying a diesel engine gets so much gas mileage.
Chad Jessup yup, same with a gas pedal. Nope nope nope it’s a throttle pedal.
Man u guys must be fun at partys. You understood what he ment....
Agreed 100% . Diesel enthusiasts lose credibility with me when they associate the word "gas" with a Diesel vehicle. This gent is obviously a smart guy and has likely forgotten more about Diesel engines than I will ever know, so why he's using such a Diesel layman's term is beyond me. My wife is by no means car savvy and I could be in for an expensive surprise if I used the word "gas" when referring to fueling either of our Diesel vehicles. I use terms like "fuel oil", or the "green handle" or just "Diesel fuel", never ever "gas". It's like referring to an internal combustion engine as a MOTOR. It's NOT a MOTOR as motors use electricity to do work, it's a heat ENGINE period. Words matter and yes, I am fun at parties.
@@jackspence7779 Yes, and there is a huge difference between a motor and an engine.
I agree when I discuss mileage in my diesel trucks I refer to it as fuel economy. Also the DEF I buy is clear I think he said it was “blue like windshield washer fluid”. I agree with another comment that the best delete would be an EPA delete!
THANK YOU for uploading this!!! Live long and prosper!!!!
2018 F350 deleted after 3 months old....... im in love since! Stage 2 CAI, STAGE 1 Chips, Straight 5' pipe
best thing i ever had done to a truck
Deleted my pacar 8 2006 model. You are right +30 mileage more power. A joy to drive now
This video was the final answer I was looking for on whether or not to delete my 2012 Ram 2500. Best decision I ever made. It was like releasing a caged animal. It’s absolutely amazing how much the Diesel engine is restricted. The truck runs and towes better and looking forward to many great years to come from my truck. Thanks for this great educational video. Best one explained on CZcams. 👍👍👍👍. Keep em coming. I’m subscribed. 👍👍
If you remember before all this EPA crap the engines were a lot smaller because they just didn’t need to be bigger to create enough torque to pull the Loads they are required to pull. So not only is the engine using more fuel to heat itself up, the engine itself is bigger than it needs to be to do the same job that used to do. The problem is that the diesel engine was too reliable and thats no good for the economy.. You used to see 30 year old diesels everywhere. Now they break before they’re paid off
@@jesseredfield8194 I just deleted and tuned my Diesel Sprinter van at 29K miles. It's out of basic warranty due to it's age (2018) NCV3 chassis made in Germany. I was getting maybe 15-16 mpg on average, now i'm getting 18-19 on average combo road/highway trips. Can't wait to get the van on the highway for an extended road trip. I do 65 mph normally so expect to see high 19's - 20 mpg rate. Wonderful for this highroof 4x4 sprinter which is like driving a brick through a wall at times.
Awesome briefing. Learned a lot.
great video....thx
When I lived out in CA, all vehicles had to pass the smog test. Now keep in mind, just waving the wand in the air would show fail, due to all the smog, but once that air went thru the engine, it would come out cleaner than when it went in. My 74 Dodge Dart, 225, would average about 12 mpg. My buddy's 74 Nova with the 250, averaged about 8 mpg with all the emission controls. Both were new vehicles. My buddy moved to Ohio, stripped the engine of all emissions stuff, and mileage went up to 24 mpg. I moved to IL and just traded mine in. I often wondered what an emission test would show with better mileage.
Not true , plenty of California counties don’t require smog . I don’t have to smog my new 2020 duramax and I live in Ca. Get ur facts right
@@waxycaliburner7822 That's true, but that doesn't mean you can operate a deleted truck in California, at least legally.
this man is smarter than the whole emission control organisations
I think it's a complex issue, and there are disconnects at both end.
The developers etc don't have the "boots on the ground" experience so make some dumb design errors
Some people don't get the insane chemisty and other sciences behind the emmisions and what they do (partially due to the system, but also NOT EVERYONE HAS PHD's in organic chemistry)
The solution is not youtube comments, or yelling, but people explaining the issue to the people who don't know. Also write your legislators in a thoughtful "so this is the issue" kind of way. Much better than ranting
not really
introducing the 2 types of comment response, extensive neutral discussion, and unsupported vague neysaying.
no he's not - according to him diesels have gas mileage
He's really not.
Great video! Very well explained !
Excellent video. Thank you so much!
Recently had a DPF issue on my 2014 German performance SUV. Tried to regen with service mode or with high RPM on a highway and different additives with no effect. The cost replace DPF was around $5500, which is insane. Quoted $700 to $1k to clean, but no guarantee, it could fail in 6 months again. Also did an oil change and oil was very dark and thick, full of soot, making a huge wear on the engine. After a long research made a decision to do a delete and implement a Melone tune (ECU remap with delete) stage 2 on my TDI. It costed me $2100 for straight pipe, ECU remap and labor to put the pipes on. One of best decision I made. CEL went away, the truck got significantly more responsive, got plus 70hp, cut 1 sec on 0-60. MPG were improved by around 20% in city and 10% on a highway, giving me plus 50 to100 miles range on a tank. Got more range, power, torque, engine life and no headache over DPF/DEF. I am very happy with delete, highly recommend to diesel owners.
@@samly1762 You can install straight pipe in any muffler shop. ECU remap from TuneZilla is easy to install yourself. I am very happy with results.
Thank you for your time in making the video, just bought our first diesel with all these extra healthy green add on's and appreciate the information that was presented in an easy manner. Thank You
I love the emissions controls because it’s so clean and no high carcinogenic into the lung. Luckily I have a third generation eco-diesel from my 2023 gladiator. They fixed a lot of the issues on this engine. One of the biggest things is you get the EGR after the DPF so it’s quite clean now. Do 4000 mile oil change. I run 85+ redline additive in the tank as well.
But great video! Very informative!
Some states are cracking down on deleting emissions control, results in big fines, and they force you to reinstall everything you removed.
The doc is an important part of the diesel fuel chemical reaction needed to increase EGTs to burn off particulate matter caught in the substrates in the dpf and decrease nox. Other than that great simplified demonstration. I have wondered though if you delete the egr cooler do you lose any air mass. Probably not a lot as long as the tune makes up for it with the VGT on the turbo. but what if you don't put a delete tune and just plate off the egr cooler like so many 6.0 owners do and just deal with the CEL for egr insufficient flow. Is there less air flow than normally requested? And could drilling a hole in the egr passage way in the intake with an air filter be a good way to bring back that air flow and replacing the dirty egr gases with clean air and taking the CEL away? Might try it on my 6.0 and let you know on a dyno if there were any differences. - Seth Mazza from va
Thanks for doing this informative video!
Wonderful video, well explained. Thank You
This was really interesting. What I have not seen is reasonable effective emmissions control measures. It's a little like if someone had an amputation deciding the solution is to cut off the good leg to make it the same length. Carbon emmessions can be cleaned up through proper tunning and a catalytic convereter to completely the cumbustion reaction. The NOx issue is better handled by reducing or emoving N from or again by introducing H to the combustion cycle either trough direct injection of H2 gas into the combustion chamber or catalytic converter or with NH4. The biggest change would be oil companies pre treating diesel fuels with solvents to completely remove Sulphur and nitrous compounds in the fuel. Biodiesel blends can substantially reduce NOx and SOx emissions.
So I say get on the case of fuel producers to develop a sustainable product, not the individual auto producer or auto owner.
True enough, as many people piss and moan about biofuels taking away all the food from everyone but they wanna bulldoze every single strip of farmland in sight to build subdivisions
Diesel injectors and fuel pumps are lubricated by the sulfur in diesel fuel. If they remove sulfur they will have to put something else in its place to keep the lubricity.
In fact modern "low sulfur" diesel fuel doesn't lube nearly as good as it he old stuff. So now you have people who own older diesels pouring 2 stroke oil into their fuel to help lubricate the injection pumps.
Im keeping my '02 Detroit powered Freightliner Classic forever
Keep it up brother.
Thanks for all the info.
Excellent presentation professor.
Very informative, I thought the SCR took the place of the DPF, didn't realise the most recent diesels still had both. And "diesel exhaust fluid" is called "AdBlue" here in the UK
Actually a lot of tractors are running non egr, non dpf engines with nothing but an scr just tossed on there by itself and they're beasts
@@wizard_of_poz4413 Would there be a benefit from deleting my EGR but keeping my dpf and Scr. I care about the environment and my engine!!!! What do I do?
@@JeLifeCoach I seriously doubt it would work. Besides the dpf is hard on your engine
@@wizard_of_poz4413 what would you recommend? Is there a balance between longevity of cars engine and also emissions?
@@JeLifeCoach idk I mean just don't run a crazy ass tune and you shouldn't produce any smoke even with a straight pipe
Thanks for Posting, just what I Needed to know!
Excellent presentation, thank you.
Very informative! Thank You
Less government more common sense
This exactly
I deleted all that crap from my '08 Ford and it runs so much better and used so much less fuel. Highly recommended. People would be shocked at the cumulative carbon footprint of all the DPFs in the commercial fleet.
Does your car blow black smoke after the delete? I am thinking of removing mine but worried if it will blow too much smoke and attract too much unwanted attention.
That black smoke is soot/unburnt fuel
Any good tuner can make it run clean and not output it
I did my delete after ram said my new turbo would cost me $3500 to replace at 38k miles! the cause was 1100 to 1200 EGT's . sent it out to a rebuilder for $800, cost of delete $800, so for $1600
its fixed for good. now It wont reach 1000 EGT on big hills hills towing 20k lbs. the black soot is no longer being sucked into my motor making it very happy and I have more MPG and much better power with no smoke. I left the stock muffler on so its not noisy but it has a sweet rumble now that makes me smile all day.
thank you sir for such a well done and thorough explanation!
Another serious possible effect caused by one of these systems happened to me.
I had a 2007 Mazda 6 turbo diesel, which was fitted with a DPF. It was the first DPF equipped diesel that I had owned and I didn't understand how the system operated.
I had owned the car for about two years and it was nearly due for its annual service.
On my journey home from work one day, I was accelerating quite hard on a slip road, to join the motorway. On joining the motorway, I reduced pressure on the throttle,
but instead of reducing speed, the car continued to accelerate - pretty violently! In my confused state, I pressed down on the clutch pedal and the tachometer needle tried to wrap itself around the stop - at which point I realised what was happening.
What had happened, was the excess diesel fuel being injected into the engine, that was meant to force a regen of the catalist, had diluted the oil in the sump so much that it had raised the sump level to a point where it was being used by the engine as fuel. I was now dealing with a diesel runaway.
I managed to control my speed with the brakes until the sump level had reduced enough to stop the runaway situation.
To cut a long story short, the Mazda dealer didn't want to know, as I had been responsible for checking the oil level. They stated that the catalytic convertor was probably now 'junk', and would need to be replaced at a cost of about £2000...
I will never buy another Diesel car.
Gary, I wouldn't be surprised if Diesels are soon outlawed in the U.K. I've read that France has already set a timetable for eliminating diesel powered vehicles. I don't know how this is going to square with the Trucking industry over there, or if it's even applicable to commercial trucks. But, knowing the Bleeding Heart Environmental movement, I suspect that it does.
@@cletusvandamme6262 that'll never happen because evs are luxury toys for wealthy people
Bruh you seriously don't check your oil?
@@wizard_of_poz4413 do you know how much a truck costs??
@@roberts.5293 which kind
I now know what my mechanic is talking about thanks😂
My 2011 F350 opted to identify as a 1969 F100. I argued with him but he wanted the operation. So it no longer has a DPF between its wheels or an EGR under its bonnet. Since then he feels like a new man. Better fuel mileage, no black smoke, and can pull the Titanic off the ocean floor with a long enough chain. I’m glad he opted for this new lifestyle because it works well for me too.
@Lucas Clark... neither. It just identifies as such.
Great video, thanks. Don't think I've ever seen blue in color exhaust fluid though. Heard of the expensive brand but to my knowledge Def is clear... Until it dries out then it's a white crystal
Guess I'll delete, oh...7.3 nvm.
In all seriousness- Im a farmer and we run tractors in idle as much as possible (throttle down, gear up) but emissions is brutal. If you haven't done enough high rpm the computer forces the engine to high throttle. For most applications this isn't any issue- except for spraying, where pto speed is related to volume and pressure output.
A very informative tutorial. Thank you very much. I am glad I bought my 2004 5.9 new and have looked after it. Now I see why some guys want to trade their newer diesel for mine.
i should have kept mine.😕
Thank you for you wise info. Very helpful.
Standing up, hat’s off, and clapping. Great video… taught me a fair amount.
great vid and excellent commentary.
A great alternative to the straight pipe delete is cutting the DPF open, clearing of the dpf element, weld the shell back together and reinstall. From a cursory look, the DPF appears to be installed ... but it's just a giant section of exhaust pipe. Delete DEFINITELY extends engine life. Get a little throatier tone to your exhaust, too! :)
BTW ... diesel trucks entering a hay field? Never happens right? The "genius" EPA goofballs ... yeah, put >1100 degree metal in contact/close prox to dry grass. what could POSSIBLY go wrong???
(interlocks? ... yeah, but that DPF won't cool as fast as that truck leaves the "high speed" surface to driving over winrows.) Perhaps they have a place in urban areas ... but not rural, yet they're even on TRACTORS. ugh.
I was in a parking lot and backed into a spot with my tailpipe next to a rosemary bush. It was very hot out and I was waiting for someone so I kept the truck running with the A/C on. After about 5 minutes I could smell this sweet smokey scent, reminded me of a stong smoked chicken. I got out of the truck to look around and noticed the rosemary bush smoking and on fire. I moved the truck and put out the fire. The fire was well contained in a parking lot however off road it could of been the start of a large wildfire.
Can I get rid of my dpf like you mention above on a 2021 baby duramax. 3.0 ?
@@frugalmcdogal8779 I don't know how to do it specifically, but I expect so.
@@frugalmcdogal8779 I wouldn't do anything until your warranty is up.
Great video, informative and entertaining. Def has definitely taken the pleasure out of trucking. One step forward and two steps back.
The scr system literally doesn't affect the engine in any way
Thanks for the explanation!!!
Thank you for this explanation sir! We almost bought a brand new 2021 jeep eco-diesel.
The only thing that makes sense to me regarding the EPA's involvement in the Diesel's emission is to have a cow as a pet.
I want to delete my 17 Powerstroke but after 41k miles it’s been an amazingly reliable and dependable truck. I have an extended warranty from Ford, dealer sucked big time and the GM purchased it as part of the deal, to 100K miles. So I think I’ll wait till then to delete it since I’d have to clean or replace the DPF at 125k.
Easy decision when its 1500 for a delete exhaust and a tune, or 10k+ labor to "fix it" for you.
Great video 📹 I learned quite a bit.
Thanks.
Great explanation. Thank you!
glad I deleted my egr on my ford 6.0 lol great video very informative
That was a perfectly timed cough
2021 Ford F-350 Tremor 6.7. First thing I did was dpf delete/egr delete. :)
Great video, very informative.
It's all about green.... greenbacks that is. The all mighty dollar. Not just in the diesel world either. Energy production period! If it was actually about being "green" then we would be about maximum efficiency, aka fuel mileage, and minimum waste. Just like you said the more fuel you burn the more emissions will be emitted. But it's truly about increasing cost, revenue, taxes, and special interest groups bank accounts..... Delete to increase efficiency!!
Brandon Simmons fr, it’s more money for manufacturing, more money from fuel being sucked.... sounds very environmentally friendly to me lol. Sucking fuel and forcing more units.
the same geniuses who listen to scientists who say “we’re ALL gonna die in 12 years if the government doesn’t pay us!!” And ignore ACTUAL possible ways of obtaining clean energy.
Gosh I hate everything
asmpoohbear Bro who told you that you're going to die in twelve years?
So make sure I floor it at the stop light?
Excellent informative video.....very clearly explained
Very informative video thanks