Jordan Peterson on How betrayals destroy your entire world

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  • čas přidán 20. 07. 2017
  • the full lecture can be found at • 2017 Personality 04/05...
    In this lecture, 04 and 05 combined, he discusses the relationship between the initiatory structure characteristic of shamanism and the process of radical personality transformation, self- or therapy-induced.
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Komentáře • 294

  • @stumpedtroper
    @stumpedtroper Před 4 lety +113

    I am thoroughly grateful for professor Jordan, he articulates what you must internally do when others would just say, "man up".

    • @sovietninja3
      @sovietninja3 Před 3 lety +7

      "Man up" is the real toxic masculinity

    • @nicholasturchiano1762
      @nicholasturchiano1762 Před 3 lety

      Hell yeah man. Great stuff.

    • @sovietninja3
      @sovietninja3 Před 2 lety +3

      @Sith Jawa Men die by suicide at a rate 3.5x as often as women. We've got a problem.

    • @sovietninja3
      @sovietninja3 Před 2 lety +2

      @Sith Jawa I'm saying that the narrative is wrong. You're not understanding. We condition boys from a very young age to not express emotion, because to express emotion is to be 'weak'. No one gives a fuck when something bad happens to a dude. You see a man crying and probably laugh at him, but if you see a woman crying you feel sorry for her

    • @abhinavdas98
      @abhinavdas98 Před 2 lety

      Peterson is just a mom.

  • @terrywade3696
    @terrywade3696 Před 3 lety +35

    5/1/21
    Well said, Jordan! That’s exactly what I’ve been going through after discovering my husband’s infidelity after 29 years of marriage! As you also said in another video, “If you betray me, I’ll have to look at you differently.” For betrayal strips you of everything including your reality. Now, you have to determine what WAS real that you thought you shared with your “secure attachment” person! It’s taken me 4 years to understand what happened to the man I trusted & loved for half of my life! I never really knew him. He didn’t love me the same way I loved him! The man I loved was only an “image” that he projected. What was real for me, wasn’t real for him!

  • @The-Dom
    @The-Dom Před 5 lety +119

    "You have to wander throughout that mess..." is the worst part. You have to relive every memory repeatedly with shit colored glasses.

    • @grahamhiggins1816
      @grahamhiggins1816 Před 3 lety +4

      yes, thats the sentence. I remember it like a ball of strings I was trying to untangle. and not being able to explain to anyone, because you can't sum it up into one sentence.

    • @patrickfuller6132
      @patrickfuller6132 Před 2 lety +3

      Haha love that "shit colored glasses" 👓 so true... but ya jesus it's painful.

    • @chetopuffs
      @chetopuffs Před 2 lety

      hear hear!

  • @stephenridley1153
    @stephenridley1153 Před 4 lety +35

    Fingers burned
    Heart broken
    Soul destroyed
    Lesson learned
    That is the moral of the story.

  • @redpilllense7125
    @redpilllense7125 Před 5 lety +58

    He's not kidding, I felt this exact same disgusted feeling when I found out my ex wife betrayed me. I have never trusted since her. I'm damaged and irreparable. The WORSE feeling ever...

    • @Godschild77786
      @Godschild77786 Před 4 lety +11

      Change your self talk to I am healing and growing

  • @redram5150
    @redram5150 Před 5 lety +111

    I was with my wife fourteen years. One day, recently, she dumps on my lap she’s leaving. I try to convince her to stay because, while we occasionally have little healthy arguments, we’ve never crossed that threshold where it was unhealthy. I loved my wife very much. However, since that date I have learned things about this supposed wholesome woman I never knew were possible, some being very petty shit. I’m spiraling right now questioning what I thought I knew for over the last decade.

    • @AreaS4channel
      @AreaS4channel Před 5 lety +25

      That doesn't mean she's a narc. This often happens when the husband ignores the warning signals. A woman will stick around until she literally has no feelings left, hence why she can move on so "easily" and "quickly" - she got over you while still with you. Men do not do that. I suggest you look at some corey wayne videos for this subject...

    • @valwilliams3834
      @valwilliams3834 Před 5 lety +9

      Action Jackson I'm actually sorry to say but that's really true. Women will convince themselves to stay for the longest time, giving hidden chances over and over again, until it gets to the point where they're over it and will literally just leave, because they no longer care anymore.
      That being said, I hope your alright Kris. ☹ I hope your able to heal 🙏💕😖

    • @RABBITMIXO
      @RABBITMIXO Před 5 lety +4

      Same shit happened to me 6 months ago, my wife that I was with for 19 years and is 47 years old left me for an ugly, fat 28 year old gigolo colleague.

    • @reck0n3r
      @reck0n3r Před 5 lety +17

      Welcome to your awakening, brother. One day you may look back on it and appreciate it as the most important, transformative event in your life. These things make us better men.

    • @paige7684
      @paige7684 Před 4 lety +3

      I hope you get through this with your mind and the better parts of your personality intact.

  • @ginajustiniano84
    @ginajustiniano84 Před 6 lety +79

    When you been with someone since you were 17yrs old and discover them betraying you behind your back 15yrs later!!! I STILL CAN NOT FIGURE MY LIFE OUT NOW!!

    • @egukoucu
      @egukoucu Před 4 lety

      GiA JuSt'INa I knew her from 6years old, I met her in grade1. Pulled a money grab on me.

    • @kingdomcome1617
      @kingdomcome1617 Před 4 lety +7

      …. figure yourself out and the rest will fall in to place.

    • @robertconti4937
      @robertconti4937 Před 4 lety +1

      You are still a young woman. There must be many things you can do for yourself. I know there are times you feel lost and have no idea what to do. Dump the crumb. Remember, you are number one.

    • @anadani81917
      @anadani81917 Před 4 lety +1

      Going through something similar

    • @bmc9209
      @bmc9209 Před 4 lety +2

      Clean your room. clear your mind

  • @rejoicerejoiceemmanuel2762
    @rejoicerejoiceemmanuel2762 Před 5 lety +59

    Holding on to the hurt of the betrayal destroys. Forgive the other - it will free you from the bondage of the betrayal.

    • @Euronius
      @Euronius Před 5 lety +15

      Easier said than done.

    • @marktourtellotte1336
      @marktourtellotte1336 Před 5 lety +1

      That is how you love yourself....

    • @pixie89
      @pixie89 Před 5 lety

      Thanks

    • @ali-es2ye
      @ali-es2ye Před 4 lety +7

      Not the solution..long road nessesary to rebuild a new world. The old ones gone..you don’t even know who you are, so who is forgiving...while you don’t know the person anymore that requires forgiveness.think of ground zero and imagine forgiving magically puts the building back in place with all the people who jumped? That’s how it works in you, your life is just rubble and dust.

    • @xxLaKalypsoxx
      @xxLaKalypsoxx Před 4 lety +1

      Please stop spreading those backwards ideas. Or at the very minimum, define forgiveness.

  • @johannagustsson1533
    @johannagustsson1533 Před 6 lety +53

    I need this. because I truly went there and I DO NOT WANT TO LET THIS HAPPEN AGAIN!

  • @plutonium120
    @plutonium120 Před 5 lety +101

    pay bloody attention, especially the things you dont want to pay attention to.

    • @sarahaden7828
      @sarahaden7828 Před 4 lety

      Yes that is a freaky thought 🤔

    • @sarahaden7828
      @sarahaden7828 Před 4 lety +1

      Don't turn your back on signs that been given to you to save your self or someone that you take care off .

    • @Alienrun
      @Alienrun Před 4 lety +3

      Genuine question
      How exactly do you pay attention to something that you've trained yourself to think is "unimportant". Wouldn't you have to convince yourself that said thing is important in order to naturally pay attention to it? And if said thing is truly unimportant...well then why pay attention to it?

    • @SanteLiberatore
      @SanteLiberatore Před 2 lety

      Amen

  • @BonesTheCat
    @BonesTheCat Před 2 lety +4

    The worst part of betrayal is finding out the levels of truths. Incredibly devastating. People who you thought were, aren't. It's terrible.

  • @thomassuzuki5074
    @thomassuzuki5074 Před 5 lety +10

    This explains perfectly of what I went through after my betrayal. Although it took 4 years.

  • @spartanclipboardforwindows5857

    Friends are a source of perpetual disappointments and let downs.

  • @loricrockett-owens5117
    @loricrockett-owens5117 Před 6 lety +133

    All I know is I won't ever be the same again

    • @Danishdrums
      @Danishdrums Před 6 lety +20

      I know how you feel. Seven years since it happened to me, and I still bear the scars. Recovery is an individual proces, so might not be as bad for you or others who goes through the same thing. All I can say is, it changes you as a person. I used to be very trusting and believe that all people were inherently good etc. Well, that part of me was destroyed when my ex replaced me behind my back, then broke up with me out of nowhere. These kinds of people have no idea what they do to those who love them, or they simply dont have enough empathy to care. They hide it well though.

    • @loricrockett-owens5117
      @loricrockett-owens5117 Před 6 lety +3

      Rasmus Petersen I understand what your saying. Six months after my divorce he married his high school sweetheart.
      I'm like. Okay. That's it. I dated one guy since my divorce. And another guys asked me out, I didn't date him though.
      I just don't want to date.
      But. I think if I ever find a new guy again then u know I find a new guy again. I'm not going to sweat finding a new guy. I have too much going on as it is.
      Don't get me wrong I know there are great guys out there.

    • @loricrockett-owens5117
      @loricrockett-owens5117 Před 6 lety +3

      Sorry, I'm continuing what I'm trying to say. Lol
      Again, I realize their are great guys out their that, like u say wouldn't break up out of no where...like what u have experienced.
      So sorry that happened to u though. Not fair at all.
      I know.one day I might meet a new guy, I'm just not in a hurry to meet a new guy. As I said, got too much going on.
      But I hope things work out for u and get better for u.
      Everything is so fast paced now. It seems u can't even take time to get to know someone.
      I guess I'm old fashioned when it comes to relationships. I believe in getting to know.someone and taking my time. Alot of people want to get out date...and it seems hurry up and get married.
      I can't handle being in a hurry like that at least not with a relationship.
      Wish u the best. ❤️

    • @loricrockett-owens5117
      @loricrockett-owens5117 Před 6 lety +2

      I apologize if I rambled. Lol didn't mean to.

    • @Danishdrums
      @Danishdrums Před 6 lety +3

      Thank you for the kind reply. I imagine were quite similar in that old fashioned respect. I havent dated much since my incident either, but Ive grown stronger with time and hope, that Ill be ready for a relationship again. Its not that feelings linger, its more the loss of trust in other people that is hard to overcome. But yeah, its tough. Best wishes for you as well Lori.

  • @MrJH101
    @MrJH101 Před 6 lety +32

    I betray myself because I always click on these short videos to hear snippets of what he has to say, but when he moves to the next subject, I knew I wanted to hear more.

  • @flameboyalex3384
    @flameboyalex3384 Před 5 lety +7

    I feel such a relieve to hear this, I recently went through a "tough" break up, and just like Jordan says it it here, I couldn't stop thinking: what went wrong? How did this happen? I'm glad I sorted all out, now I feel comforted because as he explained all of this, I feel like I've done it the right way. It feels better to know that I'm not alone and that unfortunately some people have passed through situations like this.

  • @caag6065
    @caag6065 Před 6 lety +14

    Man he nailed it on the head with this one.

  • @gbthrylos
    @gbthrylos Před 6 lety +14

    Just swap relationship with job, friends etc and it still applies . Superb

  • @MaxIronsThird
    @MaxIronsThird Před 5 lety +34

    I still haven't found my new self after 13 months since my girlfriend left me.
    The only person i've ever trusted, the only person i've ever loved.

    • @credence7777777
      @credence7777777 Před 5 lety +1

      i'm so sorry.

    • @vimaog9874
      @vimaog9874 Před 4 lety +1

      Glad you're watching these vids. It gets better.. Focus on your past. Focus. God bless brotha.

    • @imoffendedthatyouroffended5173
      @imoffendedthatyouroffended5173 Před 4 lety +7

      The trick is to love yourself first. Then you'll realize it's easier to understand the betrayals of others.

    • @shaunmorris3835
      @shaunmorris3835 Před 4 lety +1

      Hope you're happier now mate

    • @patmurphy7266
      @patmurphy7266 Před 4 lety

      in quarantine
      now plenty of time to think which isnt good
      16 months for me, lost the girl i raised as if my own
      her mom cheating on me, then blackmailing and trying to further emasculate and destroy me further as her cheap babysitter.
      smartest move i made was staying cool and walking away
      its just looking at "tomorrow" is very rough
      very quiet
      luckily i like being alone
      but for the first time in a long time i feel truly lonely

  • @loricrockett-owens5117
    @loricrockett-owens5117 Před 6 lety +19

    What went wrong..takes years. Yep. I'm not wanting to be in anew relationship again for a long time.

  • @n.a3345
    @n.a3345 Před 5 lety +17

    I found out my dad had been texting another woman. It occurs to me he had been doing this for some time. I don't know whether they slept together or not, but it deeply hurts me. I already suffered from chronic illness that time, and it only adds more to the burden. I was silent for a month, didn't tell anyone until I confronted him. Instead of apologizing, he abused me verbally and almost hit me. He has always been tempramental since I was a kid. I suffer chronic anxiety because of that. I became highly paranoid, constantly worrying and checking out things. I was already very weak physically, and mentally hurt. I don't know how my mom could stay so calm about it when I told her, while it leaves scar in me. My last boyfriend also cheated on me. Now, I find it really hard to trust anyone without having prejudice.

    • @helmop936
      @helmop936 Před 5 lety +3

      Nurul Aeni do not trust words, trust actions. Take your time to heal and work on yourself. Force yourself to confront your fears so it slowly gets weaker.. I know what you're talking about. Believe in yourself, don't be to hard for yourself and never loose hope.

    • @pamspencer5733
      @pamspencer5733 Před 3 lety +1

      That's what spyware is for "Trust but verify".I dated & worked for so many covert sociopaths that tried to come off as wholesome..Woman need to listen to Jordan P, especially as we carry the burdens of childrearing.🙏

    • @proudatheist2042
      @proudatheist2042 Před rokem

      How are you doing now? I hope you have a better life where you don't have to live under your father's roof.

  • @VeryPeeved
    @VeryPeeved Před 2 lety +3

    i've felt this many times throughout my life. hell, even something as seemingly minor as being banned from a forum or chat server can be devastating to your image of reality, if it was somewhere you frequented and had a lot of good memories on.

  • @izawaniek2568
    @izawaniek2568 Před 2 lety +2

    In order to get over betrayal you must go into the cimplexities of yourself, what you did, what you should have done and how to act to prevent it from happening in the future. Only when you have figured that out you have a chance at healing from your trauma. Thank you for great advice.

  • @emilyphillips2497
    @emilyphillips2497 Před 6 lety +19

    Wow. Every bit of that so true.

  • @mambutuomalley2260
    @mambutuomalley2260 Před 5 lety +6

    Been betrayed twice by the same woman. First as a partner, then as a friend. (Not in a cheating sense of betrayal!)
    Going through this right now and it sure is a hell of a thing to go through.
    Like he said, you start to think "well... ANYTHING could've been the truth"

  • @osio7528
    @osio7528 Před 2 lety +1

    It's amazing that he can perfectly articulate what I'm feeling

  • @karinturkington2455
    @karinturkington2455 Před 4 lety +4

    Learning that you were a fool is hard to recover from

  • @MrDude-oq4jl
    @MrDude-oq4jl Před 6 lety +35

    I’ve been betrayed multiple times by people who I thought were my friends

    • @ElMundoDeSam95
      @ElMundoDeSam95 Před 6 lety +5

      Mr. Dude me too...

    • @zombiemachinery4868
      @zombiemachinery4868 Před 4 lety

      Then stop exposing yourself to that. If something happens too much in the end you are the common denominator.

  • @TheBigJord
    @TheBigJord Před 6 lety +3

    how ridiculously accurate blows my mind i'm so glad i found this after being be betrayed. I wish i wasn't just at the beginning of this shitty ass journey

  • @ExploreLearnEnglishWithGeorge

    spot on...it's been 3 years in my case..still running strong,,hopefully one day b4 I'm too old I'll get there and meet someone :0

  • @barb7124
    @barb7124 Před rokem

    I was blindsided after a decade.....completely blindsided. I never thought he would be so two-faced.

  • @LinYouToo
    @LinYouToo Před 5 lety +4

    How about being betrayed by your own parent? When your mother loved the idea of you being a reflection of her? Not me being my independent self growing up and through the years since. When you realize the love she had for you was very conditional, not unconditional. It’s heartbreaking. My mother thought that my role was to take care of her. She was dependent on me in so many ways all the way back to the earliest years of my childhood. There’s so much I could say but I won’t. But it’s the ultimate betrayal to have a parent love you for what you did for them, not because of you just being yourself.

  • @SanteLiberatore
    @SanteLiberatore Před 2 lety +1

    Never again. I’m done with trusting anyone ever again.

  • @shaunmorris3835
    @shaunmorris3835 Před 4 lety +1

    Reading these comments I think I'm quite lucky to have found things out after just 16 months. It still hurt me terribly when my first love, a girl who claimed she loved me more than anything and was planning a future with me could have betrayed me so much(cheated and lied in the relationships early days). When I found out the past year of my life and first proper relationship had been based on lies I felt my world fall apart. I honestly think she would have happily hidden things forever.

  • @wyeth1023
    @wyeth1023 Před 6 lety +6

    When I read the title I literally figured he was going to talk about commercial mail going into chaos xD... This is a great clip, I remember hearing it in one of his lectures.

    • @TheArchangel911
      @TheArchangel911  Před 6 lety +12

      that clip really resonated with me after my wife left. Talk about a descent into chaos.... I didn't even see it coming.

  • @aanders3175
    @aanders3175 Před 4 lety +1

    Yes Archangel I woke up with a question...this is the answer. Thank you.

  • @joelyazell7380
    @joelyazell7380 Před 5 lety +16

    29 years and my wife could no longer give up herself for me.

  • @user-zu1ix3yq2w
    @user-zu1ix3yq2w Před 6 lety +4

    It really does.

  • @louisefitzgerald4400
    @louisefitzgerald4400 Před 4 lety +2

    In the midst of this right now. The depression is deadly.

  • @alexrumyantzev4815
    @alexrumyantzev4815 Před 5 lety +1

    Maaaan...
    THAT what i call an art of a *THUMBNAIL*

  • @jasonvoorhees895
    @jasonvoorhees895 Před 5 lety +8

    I just wanted to pop in and say that's one of the funniest thumbnails I've ever seen LMAO!

    • @TheArchangel911
      @TheArchangel911  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks for the encouragement.

    • @jasonvoorhees895
      @jasonvoorhees895 Před 5 lety

      @@TheArchangel911 Back at you, man. Thanks for the videos. Good stuff!

    • @bowmanencore
      @bowmanencore Před 2 lety +1

      @@TheArchangel911 Dude, your thumbnails are insane. lol Just coasting through CZcams, I get a laugh.

  • @annacassell8892
    @annacassell8892 Před 4 lety +1

    It's too painful to relive it just wanna forget it

  • @Johny40Se7en
    @Johny40Se7en Před 4 lety +1

    Jesse Eisenberg in Zombieland 2 said it best "They say when something bad happens, you have three choices. One - you can let it destroy you. Two - you can let it define you. Or Three, you can let it strengthen you". Always try hardest to do the latter ; )
    Learn from the shit around you. Don't mirror it. There's no need to think about shit all the time, especially when you got no control over it, or you'll be miserable or angry as fuck, and you'll never be trusting of others ever again. Just always be aware of the bad.

  • @stevoooo1989
    @stevoooo1989 Před 6 lety +25

    just explained my life...jordan do you still work as a therapist?

  • @rickroberts1067
    @rickroberts1067 Před 6 lety +41

    Read something once that said (paraphrasing) "naivete demands betrayal".

    • @coreycox2345
      @coreycox2345 Před 6 lety

      This seems more true of some things than others, Rick Roberts.

    • @wesleyaustin6119
      @wesleyaustin6119 Před 6 lety

      Robby Wilski I really like that gonna have to try to use it. Thanks.

    • @noumenonjohn6136
      @noumenonjohn6136 Před 6 lety +2

      Thats the theme in Count of Monte Cristo. Also that the "riches" are internal.

    • @gabrielorville821
      @gabrielorville821 Před 6 lety

      That's a good one, source?

    • @orianna9200
      @orianna9200 Před 5 lety +1

      yes, i agree, but its a vey high price to pay.

  • @kingkongsz
    @kingkongsz Před 3 lety

    Man's made sense of the past months of my life.

  • @davidsuper888
    @davidsuper888 Před 6 lety +7

    Merci Jordan osti que t'es bon. Tu m'aide beaucoup merci

  • @jessejordan5658
    @jessejordan5658 Před 5 lety +3

    Reality is always whatever you choose to focus on at any given moment. If you suspect betrayal then you better find another relationship to replace what you thought you had.

    • @kjsfl386
      @kjsfl386 Před 2 lety

      You need to replace it with a relationship with yourself and God

  • @nickmagrick7702
    @nickmagrick7702 Před 6 lety +22

    sounds like hes talking about the first instance of betrayal. By the time it happened the 2nd time to me, I knew who I was and even though I wasnt sure who I was looking at, I knew I could figure it out. In most cases, they were not pretty. What went wrong in the last relationship was that I exposed my 'shadow self'. As for how to avoid it next time... im trying to accept the possibility that there is not person I can expose my vulnerabilities to with them recoiling. I might not be able to fully trust anyone, and im not sure I can have the meaning I want in a relationship without it.

    • @collateral7925
      @collateral7925 Před 6 lety +1

      Nick MaGrick What do you mean by exposing your shadow self?

    • @scarletpeoni9347
      @scarletpeoni9347 Před 6 lety

      Nick MaGrick i agree, however I think the person who does the betraying is relevant, because the nearer it gets to the homelands the more it will be felt and more impact. Once its happe

    • @nickmagrick7702
      @nickmagrick7702 Před 6 lety

      idk what your talking about. Hes talking about betrayal in relationships and always from the third person. Something about homelands, seems completely irrelevant.

    • @scarletpeoni9347
      @scarletpeoni9347 Před 6 lety

      Nick MaGrick lol yes my text appears to have gone missing explaining the rest.

    • @scarletpeoni9347
      @scarletpeoni9347 Před 6 lety

      Nick MaGrick by relevant i was meaning betrayal from a new friend is going to have less psychological impact than one youve known for 20years, or a parent Vs a family friend

  • @chasduran4160
    @chasduran4160 Před 5 lety +1

    Exactly my experience.. Been betrayed repeatedly, but extracting lessons from each hurt; shielded me from the same suffering in the future.

  • @stephenridley1153
    @stephenridley1153 Před 3 lety +1

    Betrayal? Been there. Done that. Survived...just!
    🙏❤👍

  • @OhHiMark14
    @OhHiMark14 Před 6 lety +105

    How in god’s name did you take notes in his class..

    • @CursedBrainJuice
      @CursedBrainJuice Před 5 lety +31

      He encourages you not take notes.

    • @janosk8392
      @janosk8392 Před 5 lety +31

      This is a real education class - understanding concepts is worth much more than relying on notes.

    • @zaige11
      @zaige11 Před 5 lety

      u didn't ,,,,, u raised ur hand and asked to make sure he's posting the lectures before or after class lmao

    • @tedbkd1
      @tedbkd1 Před 5 lety

      😂

    • @mathewhale3581
      @mathewhale3581 Před 4 lety +1

      With a waffle iron

  • @donnaheard24
    @donnaheard24 Před 4 lety

    A betrayal may turn your world upside down short term..maybe 2/3 years only because you have had 100 percent trust in someone but in some cases they turn out to be blessings in disguise . ...big blessings
    ...turn out to be the best thing really...some things need to happen no matter how Painful,If I could go back and undo the betrayal that I went through I would not..not even if you paid me ( I did not think this at the time though) haha I def think I came out the winner in the end 😁

  • @matthewmaloney5955
    @matthewmaloney5955 Před 6 lety

    been there...

  • @RABBITMIXO
    @RABBITMIXO Před 5 lety +17

    Jesus, what he said is true. 19 years with the woman of my life. 2 lovely young kids, the old classic story. My wife became a cougar and left me for a 28 year old loser. It's been 3 months that she left me and only sees the kids 10 percent of her time. It's the classic mid-life, death in the family depression, hormonal and limerence with a work colleague and new dream job for her. She can't even stand to look at me, hates me, would get me killed but somebody has to look after the kids. It's definitely betrayal and I know if I wait long enough she'll come out of the fog but it's hard to wait and I really don't have a choice. Of course I could no longer trust her but I will never trust anyone ever again. I can't even trust myself from going mad but at least the kids are on my side and I've sometimes been selfish in my grief towards them. I loved my wife and love her still but I'm scared of what she has become. It definitely does turn the universe upside down...

    • @RABBITMIXO
      @RABBITMIXO Před 5 lety +4

      I'm still in the same situation since I wrote last time, I still can't get a grasp of what she is doing to us and herself. I've read a lot of articles on Mid-life crisis limerence and I just hope she snaps out of it. I know there are a lot of fish in the sea but I it's still too recent for me to move on. It will also take me a while to heal and we'll see if she has snapped out of it by then. It was completely out of her nature and I can't wipe out 20 years of our lives together with the click of a finger. I understand your anger and I'd imagine my kids will react in the same way, in any case I will never be able to see her again in front of me or want to hear her voice if she never snaps out of it. It's worse than a death, it's there in the shadows to abruptly remind you at every moment, it's near impossible to gain closure. It's the grief and disbelief of betrayal....

    • @RABBITMIXO
      @RABBITMIXO Před 5 lety +2

      @@WY_WY663 Thank you, I haven't hid any truths from my kids, to do so would be to lie to them. My kids, my daughter of 14 and my son of 9 respect me for that. We are the one's though that respect each other but have to live with her shame. Thank you again.

    • @drphill7561
      @drphill7561 Před 4 lety

      @@RABBITMIXO may i suggest you view some " sandman mgtow" videos and let me know if they helped. I am going through something similar, but going on two years now for me. The pain comes and goes.

    • @25redman25
      @25redman25 Před 2 lety +1

      @Roy Archibald Am so sorry, that you had to go through this man. This world can be so unfair at times that it scares me so much.
      I hope that you are feeling better now.
      Best of wishes.

    • @RABBITMIXO
      @RABBITMIXO Před 2 lety +3

      @@25redman25 no it just got worse. She finally lost her job and in between time managed to manipulate the kids. They left me and with covid I lost all my clients , couldn't afford my rent anymore and am living on someone else's couch and in my car. I remain optimistic though. I'll build up my business get another home and one day the kids will be older and be able to judge her and they'll come back. I no longer feel sorry for myself and I look at her for the pathetic lifeform that she is. Life goes on 😊

  • @dennisbrown4216
    @dennisbrown4216 Před 4 lety

    such a simple statement that can save you so much pain. Willful blindness . Nothing worse then the cage you are in was assembled by you.

  • @GuppyPal
    @GuppyPal Před 4 lety

    Had two of my best friends turn on me in one year. Seriously effed me up for awhile. Took me a long time to understand that the first betrayal happened due to envy after a got a great job, and the second betrayal happened because the person had bipolar disorder and was hypo-manic. Had no idea wtf was going on at the time and was incapable of trusting anyone even a little bit for several years after that.

  • @lindam.robertson8055
    @lindam.robertson8055 Před 5 lety +2

    Repeated deception intentionally perpetrated against a spouse turns the inner and outer worlds into chaos. Some form of ego death results, I believe. That's when the inner work of Jung begins by finding the "the whole world groaning together in agony" and that compassion and forgiveness for self and others can be the moral center from which to emerge out of that moral darkness.

  • @annoybot
    @annoybot Před 4 lety

    @1:37 seeking understanding to make sense betrayal

  • @needicecream100
    @needicecream100 Před 6 lety +36

    This isn't about break-ups, it's about cheating in relationships. I think you should change the title to reflect that.

    • @TheArchangel911
      @TheArchangel911  Před 6 lety +16

      Ahhh. upon further reflection I would have used the term betrayals, it is true.

    • @ktajax
      @ktajax Před 6 lety +10

      Emmet, a betrayal is a betrayal and cheating falls under the hierarchy of the word betrayal. The vid is not targeted towards "cheating in relationships". That's just your pre-conceptualized manifestation.

    • @mandymonroe6295
      @mandymonroe6295 Před 6 lety +1

      The way he explains this, I was betrayed at birth!

    • @needicecream100
      @needicecream100 Před 6 lety

      The video title had the words "break-ups" originally. I agree that betrayal is better.

    • @nickmagrick7702
      @nickmagrick7702 Před 6 lety

      one of the reasons he doesnt title it like that because he wants to make a point that its not as simple as someone being right and the other wrong in a relationship. Rarely is it all one person, even rarer that neither one has nothing to work on about their selves.

  • @SpyderMadeKaSog
    @SpyderMadeKaSog Před 2 lety

    My ex GF (we’re both 23) was involved with a married man she worked with before we met. I had no idea at all until she suddenly lied to me about being somewhere one day and lied and lied about it until I proved otherwise. Over the next two months I found out that she had been involved with that married 40 year old man in the past and pieced together that she never stopped talking to him at all. Literally from the moment I met her. She never admitted it or apologized. When I really started putting the pressure on, she blocked me from everything and pretty much ghosted me after knowing her for 8 months. It sounds silly, but I loved that girl and did so much for her just for her to literally betray me like that. I don’t know if I’ll ever trust the same again. I asked her best friend about everything and she confirmed my suspicions, hardly anyone knows. I want to tell the wife in the situation but I really don’t want to start shit, and they have 2 kids. I don’t want to ruin some family. But I won’t deny I have so much anger and resentment at times about it. It’s been 2 weeks and it’s still all I think about. I just want to forget about it all.

  • @robertconti4937
    @robertconti4937 Před 5 lety

    Happy Father's Day. I will try to learn Canadian.

    • @TheArchangel911
      @TheArchangel911  Před 5 lety

      Happy Father's day to you too. I am heading out to Ireland tomorrow morning. Should be a grand adventure.

    • @robertconti4937
      @robertconti4937 Před 5 lety

      Bring home some Irish coins.
      Bon voyage!

  • @MAMP
    @MAMP Před 5 lety +5

    A representation of me after I dated a woman with Borderline Personality Disorder for 4 months.

    • @MisterPiNkeYe
      @MisterPiNkeYe Před 5 lety +1

      lilbromarky1 I've been there and that's not easy

    • @helmop936
      @helmop936 Před 5 lety +1

      Imagine if you had one for 6 years.. Starting with funny crazy, to ending with lot's of blaming, fake suicide attempt.. etc.

    • @stevecarey2030
      @stevecarey2030 Před 3 lety

      Was married to one for four years. I didn't know it at the time but once I found out that she had it, it all kind of made sense.

  • @thefarecom
    @thefarecom Před 6 lety +7

    My college best friend and my 8 months girlfriend from class also whom i worshipped started meeting with friends without calling me, after she left me after treating me like shit, now they all flirty and haven't bothered me dropping out of collage

  • @geobenne
    @geobenne Před 5 lety +1

    Did anyone else think he was abruptly done at 4:10 ?

  • @theimprobableone8635
    @theimprobableone8635 Před 5 lety +1

    That thumbnail though.

  • @Caittheegreat
    @Caittheegreat Před 5 lety +1

    wheres the full lecture of this

  • @tyronemidzi2457
    @tyronemidzi2457 Před 5 lety +1

    1:43

  • @shatteredsquare
    @shatteredsquare Před 5 lety

    Pre-cosmegonic chaos

  • @NPC-rq9tp
    @NPC-rq9tp Před 5 lety +1

    Often times the new you that comes out of the chaos is just an unrecognizable monster.

    • @tavarnoclarke
      @tavarnoclarke Před 5 lety

      Well, I'm almost finished with the process so I'll know soon.

  • @marcuslong9761
    @marcuslong9761 Před 2 lety

    JP is right. There is nothing that stones your mind like making an assessment about someone or something and are wrong. The moment that you realize it literally freezes you, bc you don't trust your own intuition now. So you have no idea how to move forward.

  • @daloof
    @daloof Před 2 lety

    No one else heard him say, “BYE, but whatever method...” at 4:08 ?

  • @irage32
    @irage32 Před 4 lety

    Love how theres like no comments now

  • @blaghmrblafh4348
    @blaghmrblafh4348 Před 5 lety

    **GASP** a snek!

  • @tahwsisiht
    @tahwsisiht Před 2 lety +1

    Nobody is above the law. Especially if you understand spirituality, your acts will catch up with you. You don't have to believe it, but I think it is better for you long term to act accordingly. If you wait too long, it will be too late.

    • @tahwsisiht
      @tahwsisiht Před 2 lety +1

      You are not a "warrior":
      When you target people who are being abused and let their abuser get away with severe violations.

    • @tahwsisiht
      @tahwsisiht Před 2 lety

      People who have nothing to hide, they are not afraid of truth, they don't manipulate and coerce others.

  • @alajndress
    @alajndress Před 2 lety

    And? Until it’s THE world and not just your world, this will never no more than foreplay.

  • @miket1591
    @miket1591 Před 5 lety +1

    guys, help me out.
    For my feelings my parents are not really in love.
    If my dad speaks, he have a high voice, not his real mens voice.
    A lot of times he argue with my mom. My mom is a real nice loveable person.
    for my feelings he using her. I think my dad is narcistic.
    Always if i look to my parents i think ; why you can't love eachother and be true to eachother...
    I wanna be a nice person who loves to talk to people and enjoy that. Right now im feeling awkward in socializing.
    At home if i ' let go ' my parents problems im feeling 'normal' but outside the house that normal is a guy(23) who is emotionaly lacking confidence.
    So i think may dad may be narcistic.
    By the way, im feeling all the time depressed & sad bcause my social skills dont feel natural confidence....
    One time im feeling good, nobody can hurts me anymore i realy enjoyed speaking to my other family members. That moment my dad realized this and he got angry to me, about a little thing, really angry... like he can't control me anymore.
    If i look to my parents and my family they can't talk natural confidence to other people... always controlling other people a little bit and need aproval.
    My intuitin and feelings say to me ; Break contact with your family members who are doing this.
    Yesterday i convinced myself to say to my dad that night ; dad i feel i cant be myself by you. you are controlling people and are not nice to my mother. i want to be happy and socialize with other people and i feel you block me with that.
    Im going break contact with you and going live by meself.
    When i really want to do that that night, that moment i've had my voice back.. i feeled confidence, i talked to people on street and feels naturally without awkwardness.
    But after 1 hour a little voice talk to me, my dad also have good trait, maybe its not good to do this. and when i thought this my voice was awkward again, like i dont speak the truht..
    My question is guys; should i break contact or is this my EGO what is attacking my pain body constantly?
    I'm feeling constantly social anxiety, awkwardness, sadness.
    (sorry for my bad English)

    • @helmop936
      @helmop936 Před 5 lety

      Mike T wow, very similar to my situation..

  • @scottchampion4471
    @scottchampion4471 Před 5 lety

    🤯

  • @joshmiller7489
    @joshmiller7489 Před 5 lety

    So when I see this "monumental" person who betrayed me later in life and they assume I'll be like "hi,how are you?". Do I just walk away cuss them out, god forbid rekindle..?

  • @clayfarmer2160
    @clayfarmer2160 Před 2 lety

    ✨😇✨

  • @mrpurser3136
    @mrpurser3136 Před 5 lety +1

    I was betrayed several times when I was young, I can forgive the letdowns of my parents, brother, sisters, school, forgive apprenticeship promises that went back on what was rightfully mine, the women in my life too who stitched me, because there was equally wonderful women I went with...what I can’t forgive is betrayal of friendships, back in the 80s my so-called best friend was the but of a painful and spite ridden practical joke from this arsehole we both knew...the arsehole sent this malicious letter with my name at the bottom, a wind up of wind ups...best buddy didn’t want to know, wouldn’t let me explain that this man is a liar and deceiver and I had nothing to do with it,nothing, he didn’t care, and then I found out about his new friends, and it was to hell with me and the old friends...I was 17 at the time, and am pleased I had self-respect to walk away. But these early experiences definitely shape us.

  • @snicker12
    @snicker12 Před 5 lety

    Also relevant is this other video of Jordan Peterson speaking on betrayal and Grey’s model:
    “If you betray me, then I have to see you differently.”
    czcams.com/video/FYUjo7zvz4A/video.html

  • @JAMamation
    @JAMamation Před 6 lety +1

    Do no students in Canada write things down by using their pens anymore?

  • @duewhit310
    @duewhit310 Před 4 lety +1

    "I knew it I'm surrounded by ASSHOLES" - Dark Helmet

  • @syedmuhammadmubintariq8105

    In the pantheon on sins, murders are far more honorable than betrayal.

  • @truegirl2anna
    @truegirl2anna Před 5 lety +14

    *Of all these videos, what the heck is this class even called, lol?*
    *Philosophy of life? Psychology of the world? Or what???*

    • @hushedtones7168
      @hushedtones7168 Před 5 lety

      Probably about "Horus" (mythology) or psychobiology.

    • @herberthanlen2051
      @herberthanlen2051 Před 5 lety +2

      True2Live
      I think this is from Jordan’s Maps of Meaning class

  • @abhinavdas98
    @abhinavdas98 Před 2 lety

    People can lie.

  • @JohnWilliams-channel
    @JohnWilliams-channel Před 2 lety

    Here is a clue. Figure out what YOU did wrong. Don't waste your time figuring out what the other did wrong. Become a stoic and worry about only the things YOU control.

  • @davidlabarca4268
    @davidlabarca4268 Před 2 lety

    His lectures often have the intonation of scolding.

    • @mariannekniel8077
      @mariannekniel8077 Před 2 lety

      I don’t feel that. He is very intense and I think he is sometimes frustrated with himself as he is trying to come up with the words to express what he is thinking at the moment. He thinks so fast and deeply that expressing it verbally and accurately in a lecture situation cant be easy. The man has a huge heart and really wants people to understand what he has to say because he knows it can help them. That’s my take on it…..

    • @davidlabarca4268
      @davidlabarca4268 Před 2 lety

      @@mariannekniel8077 How he feels and what it looks like differ. He may be scolding himself but if he's talking to me, it could very easily appear that he is scolding me. Having a huge heart does not mean that a person won't still often act or seem jerky.

  • @jimn1968
    @jimn1968 Před 2 lety +1

    This is NOT what the Egyptian symbolism of the single eye means.

  • @thewhiteknight9858
    @thewhiteknight9858 Před 4 lety

    sometimes soul distancing from the blood suckers of life can re new your character. Ah shit who am I kidding I've been betrayed by the same person 6 times and keep taking them back. There is no stronger feeling of worthlessness to a man when he is just not enough for the woman he loves, yet her admiration and desires lay with another man 20 years your elder!

    • @notmee2388
      @notmee2388 Před 2 lety +1

      "There is no stronger feeling of worthlessness to a man when he is just not enough for the woman he loves"
      Consider the possibility that it is not you, it is her. Over a long relationship, just about everyone will have opportunities to cheat, and the excitement of newness and flattery that the attention of a stranger can offer will always be a temptation, no matter how worthy their mate is. There will always be someone who seems preferable, even if just in the moment.
      A good person resists that temptation, refuses to harm her mate, and stays true to their commitments. It sounds like it is her failing.
      Consider also, if you cheated on her, would it be her failing because she was "not enough" for you? How would that go over if you tried to say it aloud? Exactly: it wouldn't. So maybe cut yourself some slack and not hold yourself up to an unrealisticly higher standard that you would not expect from her.

  • @beastmaster73beyondo64

    I agree and listen to you on what I think u know what your talking about BUT on the subject of GOD.. like I said pleeasing. Your audience. because they look to you for insight when you yourself know inside lol Y don't have a solid rock to stand on with a taljk conserning your OPOSISIONS GOD. Its all intellectual chatter Sir. I know my GOD and under grace through Christ. . he's love kindness and peace. .

  • @TheElMuffin
    @TheElMuffin Před 4 lety

    It's kind of horrible to realize that I might be the person doing the betrayal. The relationship was brief, only 5 months, but it was a pretty intense long distance relationship, as those things are often wont to be, it turns out. I traveled every 6 weeks to be with her for 3 weeks, and it wasn't enough for her. She broke it off many times but I fought to keep us together. Once a month she would break it off, because it was too hard for her to stay in a LDR, it became a cry-through-your-tears funny tradition of sorts. By the last month, I was burnt out, and I agreed to let her go. Some second wind or something, she suddenly got the inspiration to try again. But I was through, so I broke it off. Now I feel like an asshole.

  • @MaxIronsThird
    @MaxIronsThird Před 5 lety

    Are these people listening?

  • @tractorhead971
    @tractorhead971 Před 6 lety +43

    No blonde students turned up... :-/

    • @rongermanjr
      @rongermanjr Před 6 lety +1

      Tractorhead ......watch again. there's at least one blonde sitting there.

    • @jimwash4183
      @jimwash4183 Před 6 lety +2

      Tractorhead my lawn mowers faster

    • @tractorhead971
      @tractorhead971 Před 6 lety +7

      Jim Eyez ~ I need empirical proof of this wild claim!

    • @roddydykes7053
      @roddydykes7053 Před 6 lety +4

      Tractorhead Blondes most likely to cheat confirmed

    • @NodDisciple1
      @NodDisciple1 Před 6 lety +3

      Tractorhead Insert dumb blonde joke here.

  • @apelsinaplsine5146
    @apelsinaplsine5146 Před 4 lety +1

    You can't be betrayed by your partner if you've never had one.
    *taps finger to head*
    .
    .
    .
    *lays down and cries*

  • @molliemk3477
    @molliemk3477 Před 4 lety

    OMG THE TRIGGERED THUMBNAIL KID. BAHAHA

  • @RUDOseil
    @RUDOseil Před 6 lety +1

    My best friend kissed the girl I love. She loves him. He loves her. I’m torn.

    • @michelleeaton6602
      @michelleeaton6602 Před 6 lety +3

      Patrick Wayne What are you torn about? They deserve other. They betrayed you. Walk away. Put them both out of your life. They made a choice and in doing so lost you.

    • @RUDOseil
      @RUDOseil Před 6 lety +1

      Turns out he lied to everyone. Even when he told me. Even her. She doesn't love him, it's a crush at best. Both are out of my life for the time being after this week. He is forever.

    • @michelleeaton6602
      @michelleeaton6602 Před 6 lety +1

      Patrick Wayne Say goodbye to her, too. Be thankful that her dishonesty and lack of integrity was revealed to you now not 10 or 20 years from now. All the best to you, brother!

    • @RUDOseil
      @RUDOseil Před 6 lety

      We talked it out. She didn't really know how I felt. She had a suspicion but she admitted guilt on not calling me out on it. She's not the guilty one in this but she has her own flaws that need to be fixed. I'm more glad I got him out. He's gone way off the rails.

    • @skyd6692
      @skyd6692 Před 6 lety +2

      Patrick Wayne Yo...That girl is playing a dangerous game with you.You need to watch out for those types of women.She didn't fell on his dick by accident... Keep it real.

  • @niamhjennings9915
    @niamhjennings9915 Před 4 lety

    What if ALL the people in your life betray you because of a smear campaign by another student. Anyone’s conscious kicking in yet Dublin Business School?

  • @johnholmes6741
    @johnholmes6741 Před 2 lety

    It’s a crap shoot. All you have to look at is someone’s past. That will tell you their present. And that will tell you their future. People do not change. They just become better versions of them self. Cheaters will just become better cheaters. Liars will just become better liars. Know what you’re dealing with. You can deal with a snake if you keep it in front of you. But if you don’t. You will get bit.