It really has. I know i have replaced 98% of my pneumatic tools and I think all of my corded tools, are all now cordless. But I keep a lot of my corded and air tools in a cabinet in case, because sometimes, you burn through all your batteries.
how well does it cut rebar? the problem with battery powered masonry tools is most of their job sites wont have easy accessible power for charging so if you have to run a generator you might as well just stick with the gas tools. its the same reason gas powered drills and impact wrenches are still in production
I have been told that rebar in concrete is actually softer, then concrete itself all about the blade agreed sometimes don't have access to a plug heat and cold have great effects on battery life also
Hey Stan, great video! Was wondering if you had any recommendations for chopsaw blades. Doing some work with concrete and stone using a Stihl TS 420. Thank you.
Good Job reporting. I hope you purchased some of those 100+ tools to try out. I hope they have a two battery chain saw to replace my Greenworks Pro that quite for no damned reason.
Awesome video as always! I’ve got a question about something totally different though. Have you heard about the Lonestar dumpster showcase on Nov 11th? If you have are you gonna head down there and check it out?
Electric motors will always have more torque than a combustion engine. This is the reason locomotives are diesel electric. The diesel generators produce the electricity to power an electric motor to pull a train. Really cool tests, Stan!
Hey stan , I know you've tested a lot of dump trailer!! 7x14x (24) or (36) sides .. I'm torn between Iron Bull, Lamar , or Texas Pride!! I know Diamond C is a great dump trailer What's your thoughts?? I really don't want to put that much money into it.
The only thing I like about batterie equipment is just the fact of the use of it indoors as area's ware you have an emergency call and your around a public setting. Try giving it the real test ! Will it cut and perform cutting concrete joints and how deep & long will it cut before the next battery charge? You still have to use these to cut areas that a walk behind can't get at.
@@Dirtmonkey that's pretty good for small areas of cutting for emergency repairs such as planning plumbing and basement repairs drainage tiles inside slabs think about it that is pretty good and orderless. 🤜🤛thanks let's get a video together on her bits & star T-20 T-25 I can't keep them at least 3-bit per 100 on average my Milwaukee staps the heads off the screws and the bits break off putting deck screws on my bits like weld in or they snap! And some bits just stip out.i need to know who and what brand works best can't pre dirll each deck plank.
you can honestly say i’m Jealous you get to play with the latest n greatest voice your opinion. not all the toys i need but certain ones sure i’d give a go
Stan should of used same blade on both saws im sure battery saw has a better blade in it looked like a 200 plus blade compared to a 80 dollar blade could definitely make difference in performance
@Dirtmonkey sorry looked like makita had a different blade on it I know you said both were new but the battery saw had a special blade just for that saw to make it perform better
If you ran that thing nonstop for a while how many batteries would you need? I wonder if you would need 2 chargers and 6 batteries? You could buy 2 gas units for that.
Makita has always made great great stuff. Problem is not ENOUGH great great stuff. They are more focused on construction industry. Currently MIlwaukee is only maker that allows me to stay on one battery platform. Kinda. I use their 12V a M18 platforms.
Instead of 4 stroke use a 2 stroke, electric obviously has more torque as well as 4 stroke but rpm's from a 2 stroke won't last as long but it's a saw not a car.
side by side comparison with the rock. Your first cut with the battery powered saw on the boulder. You let the saw do the work. The first cut on the boulder you immediately opted to just over bear the saw to make it stall. this was not a fair comparison. I work for a company that cut's concrete as a primary business. Flat saws, wire saws, wall saws, core drilling etc. We tried one of these Makita electric saws. It does not measure up to the gas power saws that we use. Which are not Makita brand gas saws. We returned the saw. We bought the Milwaukee Battery powered saw. Much better saw. And can run a standard blade. Also I would like to point out that the Milwaukee saw. The battery slides in the top. Not the sides. The largest battery offered for the Makita saw sticks out far enough to rub your leg. Uncomfortable. And just for sake of argument. We tested the Husqvarna electric saw. Which was worse than the Makita.
What's truly needed is a universal battery that can be used in different brands because some Milwaukee tools are better than Makita and some Makita tools are better than DeWalt etc... These battery systems being only for one manufacturer is total BS. Someone needs to invent an adapter so batteries are interchangeable for the different tools or the tool manufacturers have to stop being obstinate. Really not interested in this battery garbage until that changes.
@@suspicionofdeceitkinda there not great quality and the manufacturers limit the battery output by adding proprietary communications pins that talk between the tool and battery to determine discharge output rate
I would submit, from experience, that the AFT technology isn’t for the saw, it’s for the user’s safety, but MAKITA DOES NOT WANT TO ADMIT THAT. I have am MM4 that I was cutting a block wall with about a year and a half ago and it bound up, shot itself out of the wall, flipped out of my hands and put a rib deep 12 inch long gash into my right pec. It took hundreds of stitches. Two doctors working alternating patching me up for over two hours. When I wanted to return the saw, MAKITA wanted to know why because the Amazon return period was past, so I told them. I immediately got a call from Makita’s lawyer wanting pictures and the medical records. Was it to reimburse me for the ER visit? Nope. They weren’t going to do ANYTHING. They just wanted to get all the info they could in case I wanted to sue Makita. Their lawyer wanted me to sign a document fully exonerating Makita for the design (the torque and power with nothing that stops the blade from spinning if it binds up. If I signed, AND shipped the saw back to them, they would “give” me an equal value in other Makita tools. I wouldn’t sign and I didn’t send the saw back. In my opinion all that lawyer was trying to do was cover up. AND THIS VIDEO, extolling the great AFT feature that stops the blade from spinning if it binds up feels like total validation of my suspicion that Makita has had many people injured by the MM4 saw, but wouldn’t alter the design because they would be tantamount to admitting liability. THIS SAW is tantamount to admitting liability if you ask me. My prediction is that Makita will soon declare the electric 14” saw so superior to the gas that they simply discontinue to gas version. This gets them off the hook that discontinuing it because it’s so dangerous would cause them. If they discontinued it for safety reasons, they’d be vulnerable to lawsuits from all the people on the past injured by these MM4 saws. THIS WAY, Makita can claim that they’re discontinuing the MM4 because they made such a new and improved version. WHY ELSE not even MENTION that the AFT technology is a GREAT SAFETY FEATURE? Makita can’t. Because there is nothing equivalent on the MM4 that they have sold thousands of. I wonder just how many people have been seriously injured, or even killed using one of those saws? If that blade had of big me 3” higher, in the neck, I may have bled to death, in front of my 17 year old son. Any lawyers reading this who know how to put together a class action lawsuit, feel free to contact me.
AFT is on Makita’s larger heavy duty tools to not only protect the tool from damage but also the operator from injury. AFT hasn’t ever been available on their Gas Powered Tools because it’s not a compatible system for Gas Powered Tools. Sorry you got hurt and glad that you made a full recovery from your injuries but a lawsuit for this isn’t likely to go anywhere. Most likely the cause would be attributed to improper use of the tool.
No tennis shoes, no goggles or OSHA required respirator mask makes this whole video an invitation to a disaster. Water does not stop all silica dust from being respirable. You need to use a different diamond bond when cutting rocks vs porous concrete. The rock will destroy hard bond diamond wheels due to glazing and the soft diamond bond wheel will wear too fast in the concrete. No wearing needed safety gear is a terrible idea when a diamond segment flies off.
I'm calling BS I put a 👎 on this one we have a Milwaukee the battery is a humongous and three of those batteries wouldn't last as long as all day running gas powered chopp Saw and something suspicious about how the salesman said that 40 volt battery will work on a 125 + but when he made the statement about new tools every month it was the amount of pause and the gas he took that said for this do we have to be that precise not to be lied to I think we do we have to call him out on every little thing hey speaking of which what if you ran that loader backwards on those aluminum car ramps would crush under under the weight I have not expected to see those ramps carry the full weight of that loader even I don't believe that's possible but hey if you're going to test it stand up saying I think you need to redo that test just back that thing up back it up like you said let's go let's go 😁🤣😜👍
Not a fan of Makita. Personal experience is the tools do not last, even had one not working right out of the box. Was told it had to go back for warranty coverage. There is zero Makita in my workshop.
Nice. An 80v chainsaw will be crazy.
I tell ya the battery saws are getting pretty sweet! Thanks Stan!
It really has. I know i have replaced 98% of my pneumatic tools and I think all of my corded tools, are all now cordless. But I keep a lot of my corded and air tools in a cabinet in case, because sometimes, you burn through all your batteries.
I thought the pump up water system was the star of the show for me.
For battery, that's impressive. I think I'll stick to my Gas saw tho 😂
I agree 💯
Will be limiting over time. Makita have stopped making petrol stuff now. Other companies will follow eventually.
Thanks Stan. I hope you're doing well.
Love the videos
Great video!
It's nice to see makita finally stepping up their battery game..
how well does it cut rebar? the problem with battery powered masonry tools is most of their job sites wont have easy accessible power for charging so if you have to run a generator you might as well just stick with the gas tools. its the same reason gas powered drills and impact wrenches are still in production
I have been told that rebar in concrete is actually softer, then concrete itself all about the blade agreed sometimes don't have access to a plug heat and cold have great effects on battery life also
Hey Stan, great video! Was wondering if you had any recommendations for chopsaw blades. Doing some work with concrete and stone using a Stihl TS 420. Thank you.
I've got a Husqvarna k770 i bought for projects around the house been very handy to own
Nice one Stan. 👍👍🏴🏴
Its a nice unit for sure Tony
Good Job reporting. I hope you purchased some of those 100+ tools to try out. I hope they have a two battery chain saw to replace my Greenworks Pro that quite for no damned reason.
They have plenty of chainsaw options. I don't run any greenworks tools at all
Awesome video as always! I’ve got a question about something totally different though. Have you heard about the Lonestar dumpster showcase on Nov 11th? If you have are you gonna head down there and check it out?
Ryan from Victory had a good Job to test that chop saw on yesterday's video.
Good to know!
Electric motors will always have more torque than a combustion engine. This is the reason locomotives are diesel electric. The diesel generators produce the electricity to power an electric motor to pull a train.
Really cool tests, Stan!
So true.
They have some great deals through the end of the month.
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Impressive. Did you mention weight differences?
comparable
Congrats on the ad from Makita
Hey stan , I know you've tested a lot of dump trailer!! 7x14x (24) or (36) sides .. I'm torn between Iron Bull, Lamar , or Texas Pride!! I know Diamond C is a great dump trailer What's your thoughts?? I really don't want to put that much money into it.
The only thing I like about batterie equipment is just the fact of the use of it indoors as area's ware you have an emergency call and your around a public setting. Try giving it the real test ! Will it cut and perform cutting concrete joints and how deep & long will it cut before the next battery charge? You still have to use these to cut areas that a walk behind can't get at.
It will cut 14 feet at full depth as they advertise
@@Dirtmonkey that's pretty good for small areas of cutting for emergency repairs such as planning plumbing and basement repairs drainage tiles inside slabs think about it that is pretty good and orderless. 🤜🤛thanks let's get a video together on her bits & star T-20 T-25 I can't keep them at least 3-bit per 100 on average my Milwaukee staps the heads off the screws and the bits break off putting deck screws on my bits like weld in or they snap! And some bits just stip out.i need to know who and what brand works best can't pre dirll each deck plank.
you can honestly say i’m Jealous you get to play with the latest n greatest voice your opinion. not all the toys i need but certain ones sure i’d give a go
Stan should of used same blade on both saws im sure battery saw has a better blade in it looked like a 200 plus blade compared to a 80 dollar blade could definitely make difference in performance
same blade was on both saws.
@Dirtmonkey sorry looked like makita had a different blade on it I know you said both were new but the battery saw had a special blade just for that saw to make it perform better
can you compare it to the mxfuel saw?
Ive ran both. The Makita is a better saw. Lighter, easier to handle and cuts more.
If you ran that thing nonstop for a while how many batteries would you need? I wonder if you would need 2 chargers and 6 batteries? You could buy 2 gas units for that.
Ive ran chopsaws for years and nhever had a need to run one nonstop for any extended period of time
too late to the party . Concord Carpenter already done test with battery powered cutoff saws compared to gas saws
Yeah, but nobody knows who that even is.
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But did he get an ad from Makita?
Makita has always made great great stuff. Problem is not ENOUGH great great stuff. They are more focused on construction industry. Currently MIlwaukee is only maker that allows me to stay on one battery platform. Kinda. I use their 12V a M18 platforms.
Makita has stay true to their platform fo9r a very long time now. In fact this was the first true deviation I have seen
Bet it’s crappy when the batteries aren’t new.
Instead of 4 stroke use a 2 stroke, electric obviously has more torque as well as 4 stroke but rpm's from a 2 stroke won't last as long but it's a saw not a car.
At least you wouldn’t have to smell the smell or hear the noise of the engine
Its still noisy but no fumes for sure
Why don't they make a battery powered water pump? seems logical.
They do, it fits on their Couple Shaft Power Heads
They have a new one out and its pretty awesome!
side by side comparison with the rock. Your first cut with the battery powered saw on the boulder. You let the saw do the work. The first cut on the boulder you immediately opted to just over bear the saw to make it stall. this was not a fair comparison. I work for a company that cut's concrete as a primary business. Flat saws, wire saws, wall saws, core drilling etc. We tried one of these Makita electric saws. It does not measure up to the gas power saws that we use. Which are not Makita brand gas saws. We returned the saw. We bought the Milwaukee Battery powered saw. Much better saw. And can run a standard blade. Also I would like to point out that the Milwaukee saw. The battery slides in the top. Not the sides. The largest battery offered for the Makita saw sticks out far enough to rub your leg. Uncomfortable. And just for sake of argument. We tested the Husqvarna electric saw. Which was worse than the Makita.
Why put it against the MM4, they have no power. Let's see it against the 2 stroke!!
I like the MM4- that saw has been a solid performer for years
I should not be even watching this video because i have been saw cutting blue stone for the last four months for a patio and walk way
What's truly needed is a universal battery that can be used in different brands because some Milwaukee tools are better than Makita and some Makita tools are better than DeWalt etc... These battery systems being only for one manufacturer is total BS. Someone needs to invent an adapter so batteries are interchangeable for the different tools or the tool manufacturers have to stop being obstinate. Really not interested in this battery garbage until that changes.
Unfortunately, there's a better chance of politicians doing what's right for us than what you're suggesting.
There are already adapters available.
@@suspicionofdeceitkinda there not great quality and the manufacturers limit the battery output by adding proprietary communications pins that talk between the tool and battery to determine discharge output rate
There are adapters for every 18volt cordless tools where you can use another cordless tool manufactuers battery . Amazon is your friend
@@Doubie. They work perfectly fine, I’m running a myriad of dewalt, Milwaukee, and Ryobi tools with Makita 18v batteries.
I would submit, from experience, that the AFT technology isn’t for the saw, it’s for the user’s safety, but MAKITA DOES NOT WANT TO ADMIT THAT. I have am MM4 that I was cutting a block wall with about a year and a half ago and it bound up, shot itself out of the wall, flipped out of my hands and put a rib deep 12 inch long gash into my right pec. It took hundreds of stitches. Two doctors working alternating patching me up for over two hours. When I wanted to return the saw, MAKITA wanted to know why because the Amazon return period was past, so I told them. I immediately got a call from Makita’s lawyer wanting pictures and the medical records. Was it to reimburse me for the ER visit? Nope. They weren’t going to do ANYTHING. They just wanted to get all the info they could in case I wanted to sue Makita. Their lawyer wanted me to sign a document fully exonerating Makita for the design (the torque and power with nothing that stops the blade from spinning if it binds up. If I signed, AND shipped the saw back to them, they would “give” me an equal value in other Makita tools. I wouldn’t sign and I didn’t send the saw back. In my opinion all that lawyer was trying to do was cover up. AND THIS VIDEO, extolling the great AFT feature that stops the blade from spinning if it binds up feels like total validation of my suspicion that Makita has had many people injured by the MM4 saw, but wouldn’t alter the design because they would be tantamount to admitting liability. THIS SAW is tantamount to admitting liability if you ask me. My prediction is that Makita will soon declare the electric 14” saw so superior to the gas that they simply discontinue to gas version. This gets them off the hook that discontinuing it because it’s so dangerous would cause them. If they discontinued it for safety reasons, they’d be vulnerable to lawsuits from all the people on the past injured by these MM4 saws. THIS WAY, Makita can claim that they’re discontinuing the MM4 because they made such a new and improved version. WHY ELSE not even MENTION that the AFT technology is a GREAT SAFETY FEATURE? Makita can’t. Because there is nothing equivalent on the MM4 that they have sold thousands of. I wonder just how many people have been seriously injured, or even killed using one of those saws? If that blade had of big me 3” higher, in the neck, I may have bled to death, in front of my 17 year old son. Any lawyers reading this who know how to put together a class action lawsuit, feel free to contact me.
AFT is on Makita’s larger heavy duty tools to not only protect the tool from damage but also the operator from injury.
AFT hasn’t ever been available on their Gas Powered Tools because it’s not a compatible system for Gas Powered Tools.
Sorry you got hurt and glad that you made a full recovery from your injuries but a lawsuit for this isn’t likely to go anywhere. Most likely the cause would be attributed to improper use of the tool.
No tennis shoes, no goggles or OSHA required respirator mask makes this whole video an invitation to a disaster. Water does not stop all silica dust from being respirable. You need to use a different diamond bond when cutting rocks vs porous concrete. The rock will destroy hard bond diamond wheels due to glazing and the soft diamond bond wheel will wear too fast in the concrete. No wearing needed safety gear is a terrible idea when a diamond segment flies off.
I'm guessing you are the safety guy at your company. You have no power here
I'm calling BS I put a 👎 on this one we have a Milwaukee the battery is a humongous and three of those batteries wouldn't last as long as all day running gas powered chopp Saw and something suspicious about how the salesman said that 40 volt battery will work on a 125 + but when he made the statement about new tools every month it was the amount of pause and the gas he took that said for this do we have to be that precise not to be lied to I think we do we have to call him out on every little thing hey speaking of which what if you ran that loader backwards on those aluminum car ramps would crush under under the weight I have not expected to see those ramps carry the full weight of that loader even I don't believe that's possible but hey if you're going to test it stand up saying I think you need to redo that test just back that thing up back it up like you said let's go let's go 😁🤣😜👍
punctuation?
Not a fan of Makita. Personal experience is the tools do not last, even had one not working right out of the box. Was told it had to go back for warranty coverage. There is zero Makita in my workshop.
Gasoline much better