One day I watched an entire video of you heaping praises of this camera. Then the next day I see another video of you saying you're disposing of all of them.
Please Scott you will. One dot is a dot. Two dots are a line. Three dots are a trend. That’s ok, you have a love for tech nothing wrong with that. It’s your business and your money, make it so number one...
Just a bananas decision to me. You can get a compact Canon. The lack of shutter angle, lack of false color, lack of NDs... the A7SIII is a vloggers camera.
Good points - I own a C100 M2 and I didn't go for the C200 because it was still only 4.2.0 8 bit! I have not used the C200, But I really thought the face detection had been substantially improved in the C200 instead of sucking like the very limited face recognition in the C100. Disappointed to hear of the focus deficiency. Also I agree with the stability issues and no IBIS. I've tried shooting with several IS lenses and the improvement in stability handheld is marginal at best. I personally don't like even shooting with a monopod unless absolutely necessary as I feel the images still look amateurish. The IBIS in most mirrorless cameras is remarkably good - can approach gimbal-like appearance in run and gun. However the built-in ND's, XLR audio with decent pre-amps, cooling fan, and layout of controls are a deal-breaker for me - hard to go back once you've had these features.
For run and gun, GH5 might be the best because of its IBIS, still better than a7sIII in active mode. I know it sounds regression. But I really feel GH5 is only one feature away from a perfect mirroless camera that is auto focus.
I’m in the same position as you Scott. I bought the C200 and I’m considering switching to the A7SIII as well. Apparently the autofocus hunts like that in lowlight situations because the dual pixel autofocus on the cinema cameras is different from its still cameras. Lately because of the semi unreliable autofocus I have really been practicing on my Manual focus. Plus racking and pulling focus on Ef lenses is way easier than the focus by wire Sony lenses. Either way whatever works for your workflow is the most important part. The A7Siii is an amazing camera and we are living in a great time where cameras are constantly improving every year!
We are great at manual focus because we got super used to it with the gh5s. Problem is, it limits the depth of field you can shoot in certain situation for interview stuff if you have to worry about them Moving. The a7siii I has insane autofocus.
I’ve got the C200 and haven’t had the AF trouble you’re having. It is a bit quirky menu wise in that you have to choose “face only” vs “face priority”, and the focus tracking option is not obviously available either. I think from a UX point of view the stills/hybrid cameras did a good job of merging these categories and really do all the work for you - you just tap to track, and that holds the object or face.
He will be back to the canon side lol. All kidding aside, I totally understand your decision to move away from the cinema body setup to a smaller body form factor. However, I do think you might have left alot of doors unopened with the rigging options with your c200 setup. If you strip away your canon handle setup you can squeeze down to a significantly more manageable form factor. The setup speed increases dramatically as well when you use low profile nato/QR attachments for the monitor. Finally with IS, a more versatile zoom lens with IS would have probably sufficed for the shooting style you mentioned. As a lover and owner of the 85mm 1.4 IS, it's a great lens but not nearly as flexible as a a zoom with IS. Also outside of these points, the financial cost of transferring systems with all new glass can be painful.
Sold my C200 too for the same reasons of building up/ down and transporting.... I hated that about it. I went for the C70 over the A7Siii, primarily for the built in NDs. Happy so far but do miss the viewfinder. For handheld run and gun, I kept my GH5... and I don't think I'll ever get rid of it until the GH6 comes out. Its not that I don't want an A7Siii (I do), but the lack of built in ND's and an IBIS mech that's not as good as the GH5 made no sense compared to the cost of switching systems. Also, the R6 is actually a lot better than I think people give it credit for... its amazing in low light, the IBIS isn't bad (no match for the GH5 though) and the AF is pretty rock solid. Combined with the EF>RF adapter with variable ND filter, the R6 is actually pretty great. Its not good for long takes though I agree.... but then I'm not going to be hand holding it for that long, and if the shot is locked off I'm going to use the C70. It seams that it was much harder for you to part with the GH5 than the C200 (a sentiment I completely agree with), and I wouldn't be suprised if Panasonic win you back with a GH6S that does real autofocus, great IBIS and internal RAW. There's just something about the GH5 that's irreplaceable to me.
I've got a C200 myself and I understand all these remarks. Having to asselble it before use must be a pain, I never disassemble mine at all but simply keep it ready to go in the bag with lens, display, shotgun mic and everything attached. If fits perfectly even with the handle on in a Dr 3 bag by Sachtler. Regarding the autofocus issue during interviews. I've found that it only happens when filmning in log so I sometimes use Wide DR to get around it. Still a sacrifice to make though. IBIS would be nice so is having a camera with built in ND's :)
Something you have to do?!?. Not really. Leave the handle and monitor on... You don't have to disassemble re-build between setups or for transportation...
I agree with you and sold my c200 for the same reasons. In addition I found that the 120 fps slow mo was “how did they ever think this was ok” mushy. My AF wasn’t as jumpy as yours, but I found it unreliable in a different way. It just wouldn’t even try. So when filming myself I would think it was focusing on me but it wasn’t and then in the middle of a take it would start working. Usually if it found me, it stayed locked on though. Either way, it sucks not to trust it...particularly when that’s one of the reasons you buy Canon. I also found the menu system needlessly cumbersome navigating with the joy stick. I wish you could touch the screen. Also, mine arrived dead on arrival and that was a HUGE headache because BH doesn’t treat those returns the same. I had to spend hours on the phone with Canon to get the return authorized and THEY had to handle it with BH. It was a mess and not a great start. I guess I should have seen it as foreshadowing. Lol. Anyways, I’m better off now and it seems like you are too. Great video, Scott.
Good on you Scott. I’d love a video talking about the cost of switching systems. We made a switch two years ago from Nikon to canon, and found the process not being as scary as we thought. Do you buy everything, than sell old kind of thing. Lots of people are fearful of switching.
The last video I saw of yours is when u left the gh5 for the c200, then it seemed like u went silent for a long time then this. Pretty much sums up why the gh5 rocks
@@scottmckenna hey Scott, yes I just saw tha tu did post. I guess CZcams algorithm must have not put u up on my feed. I really enjoy watching your content. One question though, does the c200 slow u down compared to the gh5 ?
I totally get it. I've got a Sony FX9, and it's WONDERFUL, but I relate to the slow build time, lack of stabilization (you can do it with gyro in post but that's a long workflow), and just missing the small form factor. So odds are I'm going to sell it and get a couple FX3s. I'll probably finally let go of my GH5 as well if the IBIS is close to the GH5's level.
crazy question...does the C200 have the video quality in WideDR to compete with the Sony FX6 in S-Cinetone? simple question...strictly video quality...I see lots of C200 for sale at low price...can't afford the FX6 (but I use it at work but is not mine-I do have a FX30 and is great)...
A7siii is just insane in every aspect. Amazing low light. Incredible autofocus. 4K 120. No record limits. I could go on and on. I’ve owned lots of cameras as you know. This camera is A monster.
@@scottmckenna I've eyed the C70 (C200 before that), the BMPCCs and the A7SIII. I keep coming back to the A7SIII as it's the only one that can truly do it all (including doubling as a vlog camera). It's what I wish the R5 could have been.
@@rickylasser2312 EXACTLY. The a7siii is one of the best all-around cameras I've ever used. There is literally not a con with the camera that I've found yet.
absolutely loved using the c200 on those shoots last summer - completely agree on all these reasons for switching of course, but always tough to say goodbye to good gear
It's nice hearing this, not that I was planning on a C200, but it resonates with me getting an EOS R6, which I find has really good autofocus and the IBIS is usable with a non IS lens, but with an IS lens its really really good. I'm getting some amazing footage out of it in 10bit 4k 60p Prores (via the atomos ninja) examples on my channel Scott if you're interested in seeing real world commercial work with the R6 :)
It's a blessing and a curse that there are so many options these days.. Every camera has something that it does better than others and something that it does worse than others.
I think i will still try to safe money for a C200. It’s my dream to own one of them in my life! That’s why it hurts me a little bit when you said that you will let them go after one year of use. At the moment I film everything with the Canon XC10, for the same reasons you have with run and gun situations. It’s light and directly usable with perfect quality for my usage.
I literally just got mine last year! I can’t sell it to switch to Sony cuz I have to many ef lenses to switch stuff. I’m sticking with this c200 until I can afford a c70.
The a7S iii will do well, and as a c200 owner feel your pain. Will you just have screw on ND filters now? I can’t go back to shutter speed after using shutter angle and NDs. Pleased that there are camera options in between now though!
Our c70 and c300 MKIII have basically the same af issues in a backlit and low contrast/low light situation. Our R5 on the other hand has the stickiest af I've ever seen, image is great and the IBIS works like a charm. Wasn't the R5 an option for you, since you are deep into Canon glass?
😆At first, I felt, "Geeettt TFOH!!"🤣🤣, but yeah, for all-day every-day highly mobile, constant-packing-and-going, multi-location work where you want to work handheld all day.. the C200's *not* the ideal camera for you; it was the wrong camera for you guys to buy. (Thanks for being honest about its' good points, though). The a7s3 will *definitely* suit that way of working better.
Just Wait the Canon R1 for the stabilisation and global shutter! I want to Canon from Sony and went back to Canon just don't like the ergonomics from the Sony's.
Just goes to show how fast the pace of the World we are living in. A minute or so to set up a bad ass camera is too long. I get it. But wow. Building out a camera is time to shot think...
It’s definitely more than the set up for me. The C200 was and is a great camera, but it all depends on the type of work that you’re doing. The FX3’s really do beat out the C200 in every aspect and it’s a smaller camera. For us, it makes more sense.
One day I watched an entire video of you heaping praises of this camera. Then the next day I see another video of you saying you're disposing of all of them.
Welcome to my youtube channel.
Looking forward to next year’s video - Why we’re getting rid of the a7siii 😉
We’ll see.
Please Scott you will. One dot is a dot. Two dots are a line. Three dots are a trend. That’s ok, you have a love for tech nothing wrong with that. It’s your business and your money, make it so number one...
Just a bananas decision to me. You can get a compact Canon. The lack of shutter angle, lack of false color, lack of NDs... the A7SIII is a vloggers camera.
@@scottmckenna don’t feel bad you kno how many cameras I went through, my friends be sayin the same thing. But I found a camera that suits me
Flash forward to the FX3.
Date the body, marry the lens.
We've all been spoilt with the GH5 👌🤣
Good points - I own a C100 M2 and I didn't go for the C200 because it was still only 4.2.0 8 bit! I have not used the C200, But I really thought the face detection had been substantially improved in the C200 instead of sucking like the very limited face recognition in the C100. Disappointed to hear of the focus deficiency. Also I agree with the stability issues and no IBIS. I've tried shooting with several IS lenses and the improvement in stability handheld is marginal at best. I personally don't like even shooting with a monopod unless absolutely necessary as I feel the images still look amateurish. The IBIS in most mirrorless cameras is remarkably good - can approach gimbal-like appearance in run and gun. However the built-in ND's, XLR audio with decent pre-amps, cooling fan, and layout of controls are a deal-breaker for me - hard to go back once you've had these features.
For run and gun, GH5 might be the best because of its IBIS, still better than a7sIII in active mode. I know it sounds regression. But I really feel GH5 is only one feature away from a perfect mirroless camera that is auto focus.
No way. A7siii destroys the GH5 in every aspect honestly. It’s not even close now.
@@scottmckenna completely agree haha. Ibis is more than good enough on the a7siii and every other feature is better as well
It's always going to be a changing game. That's just how it works. Change is imminent. Gotta go with what works.
I’m in the same position as you Scott. I bought the C200 and I’m considering switching to the A7SIII as well. Apparently the autofocus hunts like that in lowlight situations because the dual pixel autofocus on the cinema cameras is different from its still cameras. Lately because of the semi unreliable autofocus I have really been practicing on my Manual focus. Plus racking and pulling focus on Ef lenses is way easier than the focus by wire Sony lenses. Either way whatever works for your workflow is the most important part. The A7Siii is an amazing camera and we are living in a great time where cameras are constantly improving every year!
We are great at manual focus because we got super used to it with the gh5s. Problem is, it limits the depth of field you can shoot in certain situation for interview stuff if you have to worry about them Moving. The a7siii I has insane autofocus.
I’ve got the C200 and haven’t had the AF trouble you’re having. It is a bit quirky menu wise in that you have to choose “face only” vs “face priority”, and the focus tracking option is not obviously available either. I think from a UX point of view the stills/hybrid cameras did a good job of merging these categories and really do all the work for you - you just tap to track, and that holds the object or face.
He will be back to the canon side lol. All kidding aside, I totally understand your decision to move away from the cinema body setup to a smaller body form factor. However, I do think you might have left alot of doors unopened with the rigging options with your c200 setup. If you strip away your canon handle setup you can squeeze down to a significantly more manageable form factor. The setup speed increases dramatically as well when you use low profile nato/QR attachments for the monitor. Finally with IS, a more versatile zoom lens with IS would have probably sufficed for the shooting style you mentioned. As a lover and owner of the 85mm 1.4 IS, it's a great lens but not nearly as flexible as a a zoom with IS. Also outside of these points, the financial cost of transferring systems with all new glass can be painful.
Each camera has it’s pros and cons for sure.
Sold my C200 too for the same reasons of building up/ down and transporting.... I hated that about it.
I went for the C70 over the A7Siii, primarily for the built in NDs. Happy so far but do miss the viewfinder.
For handheld run and gun, I kept my GH5... and I don't think I'll ever get rid of it until the GH6 comes out.
Its not that I don't want an A7Siii (I do), but the lack of built in ND's and an IBIS mech that's not as good as the GH5 made no sense compared to the cost of switching systems.
Also, the R6 is actually a lot better than I think people give it credit for... its amazing in low light, the IBIS isn't bad (no match for the GH5 though) and the AF is pretty rock solid.
Combined with the EF>RF adapter with variable ND filter, the R6 is actually pretty great. Its not good for long takes though I agree.... but then I'm not going to be hand holding it for that long, and if the shot is locked off I'm going to use the C70.
It seams that it was much harder for you to part with the GH5 than the C200 (a sentiment I completely agree with), and I wouldn't be suprised if Panasonic win you back with a GH6S that does real autofocus, great IBIS and internal RAW. There's just something about the GH5 that's irreplaceable to me.
Built in ND filter is the biggest thing for me. It just completes a camera. If GH6 had them, plus 10bit raw, that'd be really great.
I've got a C200 myself and I understand all these remarks. Having to asselble it before use must be a pain, I never disassemble mine at all but simply keep it ready to go in the bag with lens, display, shotgun mic and everything attached. If fits perfectly even with the handle on in a Dr 3 bag by Sachtler.
Regarding the autofocus issue during interviews. I've found that it only happens when filmning in log so I sometimes use Wide DR to get around it. Still a sacrifice to make though.
IBIS would be nice so is having a camera with built in ND's :)
Something you have to do?!?. Not really. Leave the handle and monitor on... You don't have to disassemble re-build between setups or for transportation...
You don’t have to but if you don’t want huge cases that hold everything assembled then you do.
It's interesting to hear your perspective (I never used the C200 before)! Hope you enjoy your A7S IIIs!
Great video Scott! I’m looking at picking up an A7S3 myself soon.
Do it.
I agree with you and sold my c200 for the same reasons. In addition I found that the 120 fps slow mo was “how did they ever think this was ok” mushy. My AF wasn’t as jumpy as yours, but I found it unreliable in a different way. It just wouldn’t even try. So when filming myself I would think it was focusing on me but it wasn’t and then in the middle of a take it would start working. Usually if it found me, it stayed locked on though. Either way, it sucks not to trust it...particularly when that’s one of the reasons you buy Canon. I also found the menu system needlessly cumbersome navigating with the joy stick. I wish you could touch the screen. Also, mine arrived dead on arrival and that was a HUGE headache because BH doesn’t treat those returns the same. I had to spend hours on the phone with Canon to get the return authorized and THEY had to handle it with BH. It was a mess and not a great start. I guess I should have seen it as foreshadowing. Lol.
Anyways, I’m better off now and it seems like you are too. Great video, Scott.
Yea. No camera is perfect, but it's all about finding one that meets your exact needs at the time.
@@scottmckenna very true
Good on you Scott. I’d love a video talking about the cost of switching systems. We made a switch two years ago from Nikon to canon, and found the process not being as scary as we thought. Do you buy everything, than sell old kind of thing. Lots of people are fearful of switching.
Yea, lots to discuss. I'll definitely touch on that.
The last video I saw of yours is when u left the gh5 for the c200, then it seemed like u went silent for a long time then this. Pretty much sums up why the gh5 rocks
I wasn't silent, you just weren't watching 😄. Just kidding.
@@scottmckenna hey Scott, yes I just saw tha tu did post. I guess CZcams algorithm must have not put u up on my feed. I really enjoy watching your content. One question though, does the c200 slow u down compared to the gh5 ?
Excellent & understandable reasons for changing. Very helpful!
I totally get it. I've got a Sony FX9, and it's WONDERFUL, but I relate to the slow build time, lack of stabilization (you can do it with gyro in post but that's a long workflow), and just missing the small form factor. So odds are I'm going to sell it and get a couple FX3s. I'll probably finally let go of my GH5 as well if the IBIS is close to the GH5's level.
crazy question...does the C200 have the video quality in WideDR to compete with the Sony FX6 in S-Cinetone? simple question...strictly video quality...I see lots of C200 for sale at low price...can't afford the FX6 (but I use it at work but is not mine-I do have a FX30 and is great)...
Have you ever considered the BMPCC6K? Aside from autofocus, why is the A7SIII your preferred option?
I can’t stand those cameras.
Autofocus is important and it also doesn’t have in body image stabilization, which he said was important.
A7siii is just insane in every aspect. Amazing low light. Incredible autofocus. 4K 120. No record limits. I could go on and on. I’ve owned lots of cameras as you know. This camera is A monster.
@@scottmckenna I've eyed the C70 (C200 before that), the BMPCCs and the A7SIII. I keep coming back to the A7SIII as it's the only one that can truly do it all (including doubling as a vlog camera). It's what I wish the R5 could have been.
@@rickylasser2312 EXACTLY. The a7siii is one of the best all-around cameras I've ever used. There is literally not a con with the camera that I've found yet.
absolutely loved using the c200 on those shoots last summer - completely agree on all these reasons for switching of course, but always tough to say goodbye to good gear
It's nice hearing this, not that I was planning on a C200, but it resonates with me getting an EOS R6, which I find has really good autofocus and the IBIS is usable with a non IS lens, but with an IS lens its really really good. I'm getting some amazing footage out of it in 10bit 4k 60p Prores (via the atomos ninja) examples on my channel Scott if you're interested in seeing real world commercial work with the R6 :)
Glad it's working well for you.
It's a blessing and a curse that there are so many options these days.. Every camera has something that it does better than others and something that it does worse than others.
Yes. Indeed.
FX3 is the v best
I think i will still try to safe money for a C200. It’s my dream to own one of them in my life! That’s why it hurts me a little bit when you said that you will let them go after one year of use.
At the moment I film everything with the Canon XC10, for the same reasons you have with run and gun situations. It’s light and directly usable with perfect quality for my usage.
If the camera you’re using is perfect for you, there’s no point getting something else. Enjoy It.
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Hi Scott, what lens did you use for this video? It looks great.
A cheap one. 50mm 1.8
Love the gear turnover - keeps you adapting to the work you're doing, and consistently learning. Keep it up Scott!
I literally just got mine last year! I can’t sell it to switch to Sony cuz I have to many ef lenses to switch stuff. I’m sticking with this c200 until I can afford a c70.
The a7S iii will do well, and as a c200 owner feel your pain. Will you just have screw on ND filters now? I can’t go back to shutter speed after using shutter angle and NDs. Pleased that there are camera options in between now though!
I'll be doing a video on our setup soon.
Great vid! Where did you sell them? I have one I'm also about to put up for sale to downsize!
Facebook Marketplace. Facebook groups. Etc.
@@scottmckenna Nice! Thanks for the response :)
You're switching over completely to the A7s3? Do you rig those bodies out a bit, or just shoot with just cam and lens?
Video soon on our new setup.
At first i was like what!? But then after watching the video it does make sense. Still i wish i could have one😁
Our c70 and c300 MKIII have basically the same af issues in a backlit and low contrast/low light
situation.
Our R5 on the other hand has the stickiest af I've ever seen, image is great and the IBIS works like a charm. Wasn't the R5 an option for you, since you are deep into Canon glass?
No. The overheating, reliability, and record limits were not even an option I’d consider.
R5 is a photo first camera.
Are the C200s any good for indoor low light short films?
Scott McKenna, do you have any cameras for sale from the equipment you are getting rid of?
Not right now. Everything is sold.
Looks like a fun camera. Cheers!
Does that mean you are all in on the a7siii or fx3? Going all Sony? Multiple bodies, lenses, etc?
Never mind I see a thumbnail on a video from a week ago with like 50 Sony camera and lens boxes 😂😂😂
Yes. That explains it.
😆At first, I felt, "Geeettt TFOH!!"🤣🤣, but yeah, for all-day every-day highly mobile, constant-packing-and-going, multi-location work where you want to work handheld all day.. the C200's *not* the ideal camera for you; it was the wrong camera for you guys to buy. (Thanks for being honest about its' good points, though). The a7s3 will *definitely* suit that way of working better.
Just Wait the Canon R1 for the stabilisation and global shutter!
I want to Canon from Sony and went back to Canon just don't like the ergonomics from the Sony's.
You remind me a lot to me but with way more money 🤨😂😂👍🏼. I stoped with EOS R. I think I’m gonna have till it breaks🤔👍🏼
I have a camera problem lol
Definitely a Peter McKinnon moment when you sai d"If that's something you're into".
You change cameras as much as I change my pants.
Lol. You should change your pants more :)
I wish I could get one
I feel you Scott.... Where do you go to sell your cameras?
Bunch of different places. Facebook, EBay.
Just got rid of an a7siii to pick up a c200 🤪
Interested to know how that’s going?
@@Theaaronchris has its drawbacks. Main thing is the size and setup. But still love the image and usability of it
@@brendonleerogers1794 yeah the raw image quality out of c200 is great but I’m going to sell mine and get an R5.
@@Theaaronchris yeah still a great image. File size also is a hassle. Saving Pennie’s for a Komodo in the mean time
Wouldn't FX3 be better for your work than a7s3, with active cooling giving you peace of mind.
Nah. I've had no reliability issues with the a7siii.
Even though Panasonic is the best for video, I admit the af is what stops them from being great.
Just goes to show how fast the pace of the World we are living in. A minute or so to set up a bad ass camera is too long. I get it. But wow. Building out a camera is time to shot think...
It’s definitely more than the set up for me. The C200 was and is a great camera, but it all depends on the type of work that you’re doing. The FX3’s really do beat out the C200 in every aspect and it’s a smaller camera. For us, it makes more sense.
what about the color science, canon colors are more warmer in the skin tones
are you gonna miss that at all with sonys color?
Sonys color is so good now. I love it.
@@scottmckenna Im with ya, i got the FX3 and its great
Where's the video about your replacement kit purchase? Also your Kit.co page hasn't been updated with your new equipment. Just a reminder. 😃
Thanks. Will change it soon.
Canon USA *Unfriends Scott on Facebook
Lol.
At least you know I’m not sponsored by anyone, because I change systems monthly lol.
How are you rigging your a7siiis?
Video soon.
Did you consider the c70 or pocket 6k pro? Those have nice compact bodies as well
C70 still has no image stabilization and I don’t like black magic stuff at all.
you make buy one five mouths down line feel disappointed
LOL sucks for you. Scott is a gear head he buys all the new toys LOL
Perfect camera? No such thing.
Nope
First, Notification Gang 😁
30 to 45 seconds? You need to loosen up your schedule
Boem!
what doe this guy know about AF. he was claiming the GH5 had the best AF at the time of him owning them. LOL
Never claimed the GH5 had the best AF. I said it had usable AF