Rhino 8 wip- 3d sketching 1st look
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- čas přidán 2. 06. 2024
- UPDATE: This command has moved to custom linetypes. Create layers and assign a custom linetype to that layer, control taper and taper width within the custom linetype dialog.
a very early look at a potential 3d sketching feature for rhino v8- This is work in progress, not final, everything could change, WIPS can crash. do not use for critical work, save often.
you must have v7 to get the v8 wip from here: discourse.mcneel.com/t/welcom...
tools you will use, a tablet input device, the oneview command, the sketch command, - Věda a technologie
This feature would make Rhino incredibly powerful for all of us artists/modelers. If I could sketch/draw right in Rhino instead of photoshop (much like Blender Grease Pen) and
1. Have the ability edit the brush type (size, weight, type)
2. Support for graphic tablets and pen control/pressure
3. The ability to further customize and edit the type of line/Brush in custom display modes
Architecture background here:
1.Annotate models directly would be awesome. I teach and having to go through models and explain what s wrong is sometimes difficult.
2.Documenting without having to go through a 2D workflow is or should be the future (I believe) .
3. The freedom of hand sketching directly in 3D is quite pleasant and the reason I expanded to blender (grease pencil) but it is still bothersome in many ways. The timeline is also useful I found.
4. Tablet mode would be so comfortable I totally agree with the other comments :)
I could watch you model all day, Kyle! Very cool.
Good to see you here Matt! Best to you as always!
Kudos, Kyle! I could use it for early design exploration for UAV and RC planes, before throwing it to OpenFOAM.
really cool, I hope this line/sketch refining results further on in better documentation for architectural and technical drawings!
can you drill down a bit one what "better" means to you? What problems do you have that need solving and how do you see this tool fitting into that solution?
@@Rhinoceros3d of course, here are some:
1- The make2d having different lineweights or colours (greyscale) for closer and distant things.
2- Add depth in the section command.
3- Better representation of meshes in 2ddrawings capting the outedges instead of the whole mesh wireframe or at least the hability to choose only to process mesh edges instead of the whole wireframe in make2d command.
4- Hability to have templates so I can set and after open a base document that already have my settings sut as sheets with my stamps and maybe common detail drawings or tags.
5- Hability to scale in render view to the same proportions as the make2d that is in detail view and will go to the printing so maybe I can mix it up the technical drawing with the render view so I can generate integrative images that are compelling to final client that doesn't necessarily understand fully the 2d drawings. Sometimes I lose some time doing this in photoshop while i could just overlay it.
6- Also since RiR is around, maybe hability to cast geometry into categories directly in rhino in order to make this transition better since nowadays is kind of excluse to people who use GH and more like rhino being a plugin in revit, maybe for us users would be better if revit function as the complementary software instead of rhino.
This is so cool, already seems very intuitive in this rough form, excited to see this become a fully fleshed out feature.
Maybe there could be a toggle to persistently set the Cplane orientation to the viewport so you can rotate sketch rotate sketch
Oneview may be useful or hot key relocate cplane
This is great indeed. I tried the sketching with the custom buttons you have shown on Huion pen display in the office I work in, but there is a problem. No matter what command runs or what operation is being performed, Rhino will stutter every 3 to 4 seconds if the pen is being used to control the viewport. Now, yes I understand this is highly a WIP option and in the video a Wacom tablet has been used so that might be a case or huion drivers, or even something completely different. But nonetheless, after showing us this, it would be a shame to not be implemented in a proper manner in R8. This would be the biggest upgrade to any software since OS GUI =). Good work and keep it up!
I'd check to see if huion has a newer driver you can use, We don't have one of those tablets to test on.
Note this feature is changing a bit
Try the commands
TestLayerLinetype and TestObjectLinetype
the layer linetype is the most useful as it tapers all lines per layer and remembers settings per layer. You can use it to define different line weights and taper styles.
This is awesome, I always wanted a software like this
OMG...!!! Finally..!!! Thank you. (great video BTW)
This is so awesome, if i could sketch like i sketch on paper and in photoshop in Rhino, that would be the best tool ever! Because at this moment i have to convert my yacht 3d sketches into a 3d model for rendering what not really feels intuitive and takes allot of time. This tool would be a great solution for speeding up the process. keep it up!
Please try it and let us know what’s missing or keeping you from getting work done.
@@Rhinoceros3d Unfortunately i can't, i still work with Rhino 5.
Hello!
Coll Feature? This is an AWESOME Feature)), Yoo---Haaahh))...all & everything you've showed is/was just important & very much like a necessity for ALL,
I like it & it has lots of potential along the way.
Thank you so much for sharing this .
Appreciate!
This is awesome. I can see it being extremely useful if McNeel makes a dedicated sketching app for the iPad which can be picked up later on a desktop version. A lot of opportunities here. Awesome work and great to see some new thinking and improvements.
Also, I’d love to see dynamic blocks in R8, a feature autoCad has had for quite some time.
cool idea, but that is not in the cards atm... we'd likely leave that to a 3rd party plugin developer as we typically try to focus specifically on rhino itself. But there is nothing stopping someone from developing such an app. Fwiw gravity sketch exports curves that can be used in rhino and they already have an ipad app.
Thanks for sharing. This is inspiring!
Wow, this is going to be a trendsetter already!
Glad you like it- still very early and lots to sort out.. make sure and join the discussion on the forum, we value all input!
@@Rhinoceros3d soon I too shall upgrade to WIP version
Hands down the best 3d software ever. And it just got better.
Very cool, cant wait to try this.
let us know what you think!
太棒了！是时候用3D的方式做3D的事了！
Thats cool. Really. But i'm still dreaming about something like a native X-Nurbs in Rhino. One dream came true - SubD appears in 7 instead of clumsy Clayoo. Hope, in 8 we'll get native X-Nurbs-like tool...;)
Excellent comment that's need answers from McNeel group
And hope to improve
The class A surface tools as well ....
how much of this was referenced by programs like gravity sketch or the grease pencil tool from blender?
3d sketching is a broad topic. we do not reference any other programs when we develop stuff. We typically would rather hear from our users about what problems they need to be solved and work from there.
Yes! This is gooooood!!! 🙏
This is Great! Are there any plans for Rhino on the IPAD Pro?
Not until it can run full OS X.
After inputting Testfancycurves, adjusting the data and setting enable to on, the drawing curve does not change because of what
Nice to see this development after such a long time using Rhino. Gravity Sketch is really trying to get a foot hold in this 3D Sketching space.
@McNeel & Associates: please develop an Apple Silicon iPad app. The curves creation/editing in Rhino are better than Illustrator. Rhino only misses Illustrators line width tool and a simple fill option for 2D curves. Autodesk Sketchbook Designer 2011 was the best translation of Rhino‘s curve creation into an easy User Interface. You should have a look at it. Please consider to make the app to keep the Rhino 3D brand alive thriving.
Me and many Rhino users would appreciate it!
Irhino on the App Store is something you should check out. It’s early, and still developing, but we’d love to hear your thoughts. The roomsscan feature is pretty cool.
Please can we get Class A tools in grasshopper? Match surface (up to G3) and blend srf in grasshopper 🙏
I totally agree! I think Rhino is for surfaces - not for sketching! It would be better to make tools like XNURBS obsolete rather than implementing fancy line types for sketching.
@@3dbits_art it really seemed like they had their priorities on point when they released the edgecontinuity and refittrim commands, and they were finally going to address the class A issue, so I hope that continues.
@@3dbits_art the funny thing is that class A doesn’t require very extensive new technology, it just needs to give users access to more data about surfaces (which rhino already knows, internally) and give us more ways to make single-span surfaces than the few commands that do it currently.
Any new updates on this? Downloaded rhino and found the touch navigation superior to other cad, blender and more. I just want to lay down with a pen and model and think I can, especially do I could voice command
voice command?
If you figure out how to do that, please let us know!
the sketch curve tool is actually quite old and has been in rhino since I can remember- driving it with a pen is new to me, which I showed in the video.
the tapered curves have been updated in the released version of v8, they are in the custom linetypes dialog now.
fantastic!
Definitely plus one!
How do you change the thickness of the lines?
For those interested in the "OneView" technique Kyle uses here, his original video specifically explaining this feature is at: czcams.com/video/HtPDxTYQZWY/video.html
That's great! When will Rhino 8 be released
When our users tell us it’s ready-
If you own v7 you can download the 8wip here: discourse.mcneel.com/t/welcome-to-serengeti/9612
Could they be turned into a single span curve to then make into a model?
you can always rebuild them to suit your needs- they are just regular nurbs curves.
Thanks for sharing.
Now here's a thought..
What if you could convert a variable width line to an actual volume? That is, drawing it as a tapered shape, and then being able to expand that. For example, set the pen width to something nice and thick at the midpoint, and then use it to draw a curved shape that becomes something like a curving horn, or variable width piping for a surface?
Pipe tool will do that already- the nice thing is these curves are literally just normal curves with a thickness effect added. You can do anything to them you can with a a normal curve, including exporting them as vector lines.
@@Rhinoceros3d Absolutely true, that. I was thinking that the virtue of an immediate curve to volume conversion is that you immediately have the taper profile in play as opposed to the multi- step process of selecting the curve, using the pipe command, choosing the start, end and internal radius and then executing. To instead be able to make a half dozen pen strokes that could immediately convert to volumetric geometry would be a very nice workflow!
@@krzysztofmathews738 for what scenario would you use this? what problem would this solve? not arguing, just trying to understand your needs here-
@@Rhinoceros3d I was thinking in terms of where you have a multiplicity of these shapes. I think that for just a couple of forms, the standard piping method is still just fine!
I also like the sense of drawing in actual volumes in space. I find that compelling! The idea of determining variable width profiles (like one does in illustrator brushes) and then being able to realize those as shapes in space as one draws. I think that has a compelling, intuitive feel of 'real time' sculpting.
Just some thoughts, though!
@@krzysztofmathews738 appreciate your input! please give it a go and let us know what workflow issues you see, and what things you need to get the work you want done.
Dear Kyle, it is possible to use this tool on existing curves or without a graphic tablet, it would be interesting to do it! Thank you, Dave
Yes, it’s just a lot easier with a tablet.
@@Rhinoceros3d yes i know and i try with my talbed and mouse input but i don't see the effects, the command is ON TAPER is 4 and follow your video but the line is normal (don't visulize a difference) what is the problem? Thank you
@@AngelelliAutomobili you are using v8 wip correct?
Try
TestLayerLinetype and TestObjectLinetype
the layer linetype is the most useful as it tapers all lines per layer.
This feature is changing recently-
@@Rhinoceros3d (TestLayerLinetype) Thank you! solved!
Whoa this is cool 😎
we'd love for you to try it and post some results to discourse.mcneel.com
Very very cool 😎
Try it and post your results on the forum!
so cooool！
Hello Kyle: Unfortunately I don't have the option to change the pen tip to double click in my wacom intous 5. Any suggestions?
You have to add rhino as an application in the Wacom panel, then change the tip to right click or just click.
Several people have told me it works without mods, but I have mine set to right click.
@@Rhinoceros3d Many thanks. Much appreciated. It worked.
Can the 3D sketch exported to other nurbs modelling software like Alias?
yes, these are all regular nurbs curves- export as iges to alias
@@Rhinoceros3d Thanks for your reply. Great tutorial!
As an architect, My dream Rhino version would be one that would allow me to stay within rhino from 2D to final rendering. And I wouldn’t write that if it weren’t already super close to that.
But still, 2D drawing lacks a little bit of seamlessness and user friendliness. Appearance and UI speaking.
Cycles is almost there.
I myself do not need photorealism, but in architecture, Lighting accuracy should matter more.
Of course vRay does the trick, but It feels already a bit out of the rhino universe.
Maybe some nice int / ext rendering presets would be a solution.
Unrealistic but accurate in terms of lighting.
Thanks for the feedbacK!
Have you tried VisualARQ plug-in? I'm not sure about proffesional documentation (there is special tools for it), but within the university requirements this is quite enough to skip the transition from 2D to 3D.
Can you change the line weight and stroke option?
Not yet, but this whole thing is open to development
how about ipoad and easy canvas app? when i try me ipencil it just pans the viewport
have you tried screen mirroring to a desk top? others say this works, i have not tested it yet
but plan to today
@@Rhinoceros3d I use easy canvas. Well I will check the settings again
When are we getting rhino VR?
there are sevral vr plugins for rhino on food4rhino.com
Oh hi grease pencil. You’ll feel jst like home here together with cycles render)
We have a long way to go yet and this may not turn into anything- please give it a try and let us know what we need to add or change.
yeah man
nice
1. Why not just make it a LINETYPE? (I mean, what does fancyCurves have to do with sketchCurves?)
2. ) Yes please more vids about TEST FEATURES! ♥️
3. Yes please, Rhino needs more presentation, drawing, and 2D features. SketchUp Layout should be an example to shoot for.
4. However, I personally HATE "sketch" driven drafting, including SketchUp. I very rarely use cPlanes, because Rhino is better than that. As a 25 year Rhino pro, would not like to see it degenerating into that gutter.
♥️♥️♥️
1. fancy curves will likely be a linetype-
2. we always show what we think is interseting, mostly on the forum-
3. we don't copy others stuff.. what problems does sketchup layout solve for you that rhino does not?
4. To be clear this is not a "new" direction for rhino, it's simply a feature that we are exploring. No worries, rhino will stay the rhino you are used to, and if the sketch stuff isn't your jam, you can easily ignore it.
When for Rhino VR?
one step at a time... however there are several vr plugins for rhino already that may work with this concept. check food4rhino.com for a list.
@@Rhinoceros3d great info 💪💪
Did this make it to release?
Yes, check the notes for updates to this workflow. This is now tapers in line types. Everything else is the same.
Please make an IPad version too!
I need tools for Morphy
Note latest change to this feature is detailed here-
discourse.mcneel.com/t/rhino-8-feature-linetype-enhancements/157709
is it compatible with VR?
There are several Vr plugins for rhino, but currently this is not intended for Vr.
Gravity sketch is the best solution for that currently. This is more for folks who are used to 2D tablet based sketching and want to get into 3D sketching that can be leveraged into a 3D model later without the need for Vr equipment or drawing in the “air.”
Maybe I’m just a dinosaur, but I prefer drawing on a tablet to drawing in Vr.
I love reviewing and making edits in Vr, but for the actual sketching I prefer my tablet.
This would be really cool to do on an ipad pro with apple pencil.
apparently it works if you side car your ipad to a desktop machine-
@@Rhinoceros3d You guys should release an ipad version for the M1 ipad pro, it has more than enough performance. Would be awesome, even if its not a full version with every command. IMO it would steal every Shaper3D user.
Vr would be awesome
Try gravity sketch it’s already set up for Vr.
Block editor in Rhino is really hard to play with, improve it please !!! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Excuse me .... need comment from McNeel group
And hope to add band new
The class A surface tools ....
this has been updated again
discourse.mcneel.com/t/testmarkup-sketching-in-rhino-8-fun-stuff/181624
Next this but in VR!!
Use Gravity sketch if you want Vr-
Soon I won’t be needing any other tools if you keep going like this! Looking good!! Kyle, I assume you’re aware of ilovesketch, whatever happened to that. Well maybe that giant black hole happened to it. Anyway, that might be an inspiration
czcams.com/video/hSxCZE6PG50/video.html
rhino8 已经出来了 为什么没有这个功能
the tapered line function has changed a bit, and to be clear, This is more of a workflow than it is am actual feature.
the tapered line style is part of the new linetypes additions, and the rest of the workflow is unchanged from the video (drawing and pen settings etc)
ok, I gonna say it, one of my boss frustrations is that I do very well with both rhino and solidworks, but I cannot draw a thing by hand, he in the other side draws very well by hand, but cannot use the 3d modelling space at all
What I can see here is, if it gets intuitive enough to use, that he can do the sketch, I can do the nurbs, he then can do the sketch over the nurbs to show what he wants to change, and we could speed up our design process by maybe, 40 to 50 % having this tool fully developed.
so pleaaase, make it go farther, or if you drop the idea, let me know because I will learn to program just to turn this into a rhino plugin if I need it
you could do that with these tools today- just need a tablet and a willingness to try some new ways of working-
No sense to announce rhino 8 in videos like this and is not released yet. I want to purchase Rhino, but I am not going to do it and waste my money in Rhino7...
We always have a long public beta where owners of the current version can use the wip and betas for free until they are released.
If you buy v7 you can use v8 wip today for free until the public release if v8.
So like blender
Yes…
but actually no, not at all.
Sorry but I don't like the concept of sketching in Rhino at all. I would prefer if the fancy lines were created autmatically as a setting in an artistic Display mode. Then I would like to be able to have some settings for the "imperfection" of the fancy line - but based on the "perfect" model that lies behind.
Please improve subd modeling experience. It is very basic and cumbersome at the moment.
Not the subject of this video/
Pls add subd comments
To discourse.mcneel.com
N you
Looks like a copy paste of blenders grease pencil
not quite, it's simply a tapered curve style added to a normal rhino curve, drawn with a tablet. The cool thing is you can do quick 3d sketch previz of your build, then use those exact curves to make surfaces if you so choose. Grease pencil has way more to it than this very early feature. Try it and let us know what needs to be added!