The Queen VS Thatcher: The Battle Over South Africa | The Crown (Olivia Colman, Gillian Anderson)
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- In this captivating encounter, my dears, we watch two powerhouses of acting portraying two powerhouses of history. Witness Queen Elizabeth II (Olivia Colman) and Margaret Thatcher (Gillian Anderson) spar in a dialogue of historical weight. They delve into significant matters but fail to see eye to eye, which results in The Queen giving Thatcher what could be perceived as a direct order.
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Whose side are you on, The Queen or Thatcher?
The Queen was out of her depth on this one by a far way.
The Queen's, obviously. An apartheid regime cannot be treated as a valued partner.
Thatcher.
@@Fauntleroy. Do you know that the Queen was instrumental in the apartheid laws? I guess not! She was head of state of SA when many of the apartheid laws were enacted.
Also, I guess you also do not know that one of the reasons why apartheid continued until about 1990 was so that SA could serve as a bulwark against communism, especially being that the ANC at the time was a devout communist movement. The Berlin Wall was brought down in 1989 and Nelson Mandela was released from jail in 1990.
Do you also not know that the UK played a significant role in separate development in SA. South Africa was a colony of Britain from 1806 and ceased being one in 1961 when SA became a republic. During this time, black people were not allowed to vote. With apartheid laws being introduced black people became entitled to vote but only in designated black areas. Britain introduced the Hut Tax in 1849 which effectively forced black men to work in the mines. Also, the British sovereign had no qualms taking the Cullinan diamond in 1907, rather than insisting it be used to help impoverished South Africans. The Queen never offered to return the diamond.
Do you also not know that as mentioned by Dennis Worrall at the time, that many Commonwealth countries had worse human rights records than SA. The Queen had no problem with these countries.
I guess you also do not know that many Commonwealth countries were (and still are) economically dependent on SA? In this regard, both Swaziland and Lesotho get a large portion of their revenue from custom monies from SA. Also, landlocked Zimbabwe, Botswana and Zambia have a great dependency on SA.
1:03 but that is exactly what you are doing, right NOW! She just happens to be more benevolent than the ones you are referring to!
*Give or take, the British Monarchy IS a tribe in eccentric costumes and much material for tabloids and tourists.*
I looked it up. She never did sign the resolution and firmly sided with the white led South African government
they didnt call her the iron lady for nothing!!!
They didn’t (and don’t) call her a world-class B for nothing!
@@Yowzoe Do you have any idea of South Africa and apartheid:
1. Did you know that it was the British that introduced the Hut Tax, thereby forcing black people to leave their families to work in the mines?
2. That the Queen was Head of State of SA when many apartheid laws were enacted?
3. That many Commonwealth countries had worse human rights records than SA?
4. That many Commonwealth countries were heavily dependent on the SA economy, including Swaziland, Lesotho, Zimbabwe and Zambia? What were the Queen's plans for these economies?
@@johnjames6620 In other words: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! Wait, oh! Look at that shiny thing, over there!"
@@johnjames6620 Yes, I was very vaguely aware of the first, and I knew of the last three. I had to look up the 1884 Hut Tax, I knew they were precursors to what eventually became the official policy of apartheid… no surprise there for anyone aware of history, I think. Your #3 is quite relative, obviously, and is really here nor there.
Are you really an apologist for the South African racist apartheid regime which had ample opportunity between say, 1950 and 1990 to wise up instead of tightening up in 10,000 different ways? So many bad choices by White South Africans! Have you spent your energy constructing an intellectual framework to justify what was extremely twisted institutional evil?
The British and the West owed it to South Africans to enable the anti-apartheid movement, even if their unimaginative leaders, including Reagan and Thatcher, clung to the status quo for fear of communism. As a college student in California in the 80s, this was my tiny involvement.
What has come since in SA has no relation to what has was achieved in the 90s. Though it is now clearly a massive shitshow, it is *still* better than your apparent alternative because Black South Africans own their mess, as the fictional queen here says. You must put yourself in *their* shoes. The British and the West could have poured attention and resources and effort after the transition from de Klerk, and since. They did not.
That SA was a successful capitalist economy post-WWII, and that the ANC now is a an absolutely corrupt and inept nightmare has no relationship to the end of apartheid - *this was never inevitable* . It's true that much of South Africa political life now is as ridiculous and OTT as the woke left in my own country. Again, this is regrettable but cannot be attributed to the end of the unsustainable, racist, deeply-ugly apartheid policy South Africa in the 1900s. Don't begin to defend it.
It’s sad to me you apparently put mental effort into defensive, revisionist, counterfactual thinking. You could put that same energy into realistic solutions, which is what is needed. But I can't expect you to change your spots 🐆
Let’s discuss the ending. What are your thoughts?
If this was true time to get the guiletine out 🎉
A few things:
1. As expressed by Dennis Worrall at the time, many Commonwealth countries had far worse human rights records than South Africa.
2. Why didn't the Queen offer to pay reparations. It was the British that introduced things like the Hut Tax to force black people to work in the mines.
3. The Queen and her father were head of SA during the time when many apartheid laws were enacted.
4. Many Commonwealth countries had a huge dependency on South Africa, including Zimbabwe, Swaziland, Lesotho and Zambia. What arrangements did the Queen have for the economies of these countries?
Obviously you know that the Queen has neither the power nor the expertise to create or execute such plans. What she was doing in this scene was speaking on behalf of the Commonwealth leaders, who she represented, and who Thatcher was not inclined to hear.
It was Dutch born Prime Minister and Afrikaner based National Party that gave birth to Apartheid Law, The Queen and Monarch were nothing but a state symbol. The Act was signed by Afrikaans Governor General eventually
@@ThSa5312 And what voting rights did the blacks have in South Africa before the Nationalist Party came to power in 1948? Very little to none!
What voting rights did the blacks have when South Africa was a British colony? Very little to none!
what was schooling and living conditions like for black people prior to 1948? They were separate from those of white people.
The Apartheid laws largely enacted what was anyway happening in reality and which had been a feature of British and Dutch colonization going back hundreds of years.
Very rich for the British monarch to call for sanctions against a people for a system that her own country had largely created and put into place.
All the Queen was attempting to do by calling for sanctions against South Africa was to shield and distance the UK from scrutiny over its role in the South African matter.
@@johnjames6620 Before Afrikaans rule, Coloured people had voting right and looked at what Malan and Nazi Afrikaans thugs did, they took it as well.
@@johnjames6620 Btw it was Union of South Africa that enacted segregation law. Union of South Africa had never had an English Prime Minister, it was Afrikaans from Louis Botha
Però la Thatcher aveva ragione. Guardate oggi com'è il Sudafrica
“There is no person who would not prefer their own bad government to the good government of a foreign power” - Mahatma Gandhi. You see, South Africa is indeed massively corrupt, thanks to Jacob Zuma, and poor, but at least 90% of the population is now free to exercise basic human rights.
@@anishraja9655 points of view
If the Queen was so concerned, she could just have returned the Cullinan Diamond, but she didn't! I wonder why? Oh, it would have affected her pocket!
the wig and dress for Olivia Colman are just awful. I don't recall the Queen ever wearing "brown."
They should have used the word "dictate" instead of "directive" for that is what this fictional queen was really attempting: dictatorship. Beyond reprehensible to think the queen would ever attempt to express her opinion on a policy matter. It is arguable that subjugation of an entire nation is worse than subjugation of an entire class within a nation. They certainly are comparable. My only wish is that south africa had turned out better IRL.
You're really comparing the Queen pressing the Prime Minister to sign a statement to dictatorship, and saying it's worse than the slow motion genocide of black South Africans. Wow, you can't make this stuff up. It has to be seen in the wild to be believed.
People need to understand, thatcher was against apartheid in South Africa she just disagreed on how to end it.
Because she didn’t want it to affect her husband’s investments? Forgive me… I meant her son’s? 😏
@@MickeyFlipper oh don't get me wrong it was related to economics but she still wanted it gone on moral reasons too
@@branflakes12341 I’m sure she did. Just as long as it didn’t affect the money. And the sanctions would’ve affected their investments. So of course that became a sticking point for her
In the same way Trump was against war in Syria. Until it affected his real estate interests in Turkey
Israel has apartheid!
As time went on Thatcher was proven right
virtue signaling for praise of peers, pre-twitter. amazing.
Hate to say it now look at South Africa it's a Wasteland
It's not a wasteland but governance is poor. But then look at how things are in NZ, Australia, Canada, the USA, UK and Europe!
Thatcher was racist. Not much more to say.
How so?