pocket auto vs pocket revolver
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I try to explain some of my opinions on the advantages and disadvantages of a pocket auto and a pocket revolver. - Zábava
You can discharge a revolver while still in your pocket repeatedly without a malfunction. That alone is a game changer in certain situations.
Plus you can press the revolver barrel right into someone without worry of the gun going out of battery unlike a semi automatic.
People give these two scenarios as if they actually happen. Like those same two scenarios play out repeatedly over every other real word shooting scenario we see. The pocket shot and the gut muzzle just do not happen like revolver carriers wish they would.
@@Mango10449 tough truth, they rarely do happen, but not often.
I LOVE revolvers, but I accept that in most cases a semi auto will serve me better
@@ironwallaby8189 I love revolvers too
Man he sounds like his Dad, as for me I'm a revolver man I feel more comfortable shooting them...great video
Agreed. Needs a corny joke at the beginning and it’s dead on.
Can't beat the reliability of a revolver.
@@SaberToothGary , Exactly, I've seen people lifeless bodies holding a pistol with a jammed round on them , .... gunned down with a revolver, no thanks,,,, out here there's no chance to check anything or what ifs, either you shoot or get shot dead... He hasn't find himself in a life or death situation, when he said that revolvers aren't as reliable as ppl think... I had to laugh....
Brother you done talk too long without shooting
When your life or someone you love life is on the line nothing beats the reliability of a revolver.
Unless it breaks
Other than a well maintained, better concealed semi auto with more rounds. I have 12 rounds in a p365 .380. Concealed carry has evolved since this video.
If that were true we’d all be carrying revolvers.
Its extraordinary to see the similarities between a parent and offspring. Voice, mannerisms, cadence of speech. Your both enjoyable to watch and learn from. Thanks, Chris
I still carry my snub nosed 20 yr old Colt Detective. To date, she has never failed me.
By the Grace of God, I've had no need to fire a shot at anyone since Viet Nam.
+Keeper Oath Classic beauty of a revolver there.
I've enjoyed your Dad's vids for a long time John along with your camera work and participation. Happy to see you working at filling his big boots. He has quite a history and legacy even outside of this channel. Good to see your vids! My wife and I look forward to more from you! God Bless ya both-
As a CCW Permit holder and pizza delivery driver that works for a company with a strict no gun policy, I knew carrying my S&W M&P45 was a no go. So I picked up a S&W 642 and have kept in my pocket with an uncle mike’s holster. For a little over a year now nobody I work with has noticed. Uncle mikes holster really does a great job hiding the print of my firearm.
Love my 642
son of hickok45....how cool
Harry.
I'm really glad you included the fact that a lot of it comes down to preference and experience. A lot of people just say that "automatics are better" or "revolvers are better". Sure, technically an automatic is smaller and can reload faster than a revolver, if you're good with a revolver you can get those rounds into the gun and out the barrel rather quickly. I've been enjoying your videos, John. Keep up the excellent work.
I have and use both. The key is confidence and a lot of practice.
My wife's purse is so massive I could pack a barrett 50
My girlfriends purse is not much smaller by the sounds of it...
Yeah but I bet you couldn't find it in there without rummaging around for a couple of minutes.
I try not to carry my wife's purse.
My wife's breasts are so large that her nipples blinded me in both eyes and now the state of GA says it's too dangerous for me to own a firearm. But I still like listening to Hickok45 while I blindly grope my wife's giant breasts, so life is good.
Ma DUCE 50CAL WEIGHS A BIT BUT WORTH IT.
It is better when your dad runs the camera because you can hear him laugh at your jokes.
Hi John, 99.9 % of defensive encounters for Joe civilian is 2 to 3 shots fired. Also, snubs are just plain cool and intimidating. The bottom line is practice, practice practice and learning both platforms.
...Abraham Lincoln
Very true. Plus, they now sell bulletproof hoodies that make safely shooting from a pocket even safer.
I agree with everything you said, but one aspect you forgot to mention was how hammerless revolvers can be fired from inside a jacket pocket without jamming when a semi auto will probably jam after the 1st shot because the slide cycling back was hindered by the clothing.
I understand the scenario where it could be life or death but if you wanna plan on firing a gun in your pocket good luck buddy!!
No JAMES BOND FILM O.K.
justin thyme pretty sure he means if you HAVE to fire from within your pocket. No ones wants to.
@@justinthyme8931
I knew a guy who saved himself from 2 armed robbers by shooting one in the leg through his pants pocket with a north American arms mini mag with 22 mag shotshell when they were distracted by a passerby
Benefit is you can have him in hand ready to go and no one knows it. No draw. If you've ever been in a situation like that, you'd understand the advantage
Over the decades I have carried several duty guns and back up guns. I started with a model.19 S&W combat magnum, transitioned to a S&W 686 magnum. Then a .45 1911 and S&W 4506 in .45 ACP. Regardless of what my primary is I ALWAYS carry a S&W .38 hammerless in a off side pocket....ALWAYS. The reason is if I am engaged in a struggle for my primary/primary fails/or I can not reach my primary......I fall back to my weak side .38. Does not snag on the draw, will not come out of battery, no mag to dislodge and if I have to jam it into a suspect is will fire dependably. When I carry concealed I still use a second/backup gun and a primary. Have a plan, have a back up plan.....
Yes, this is more than just a coincidence that I hear time and time again from seasoned , experienced, LEO, some of which have been involved in multiple shootings over decades prefer and carry the 38 Special J-frame revolver as back up.
MrAzrancher As I've always be told by my father (who was a LEO for many decades) even if your backup fails (referring to the .38 snub nose revolver) you're still holding a chunk of metal in your palm. I guess that's a backup plan to the backup plan of the primary plan.
Ducaso LOL....That brought back a few memories, thanks. Very true as well.....more than one aggressive suspect has had a "barrel bent over his head" during a back alley tussle......... Shake your fathers hand for me! :)
Is it easy to find 38 s&w
I wouldn't put my life on the line by depending on a automatic pistol... ever... I've seen some that tried... they dead now... because the dude with the revolver didn't jammed...
I own and carry both , I buy what I like and figure out how to make it work. There is a lady close to me who alters my pants pockets as needed to fit my guns and holsters. I always pocket carry and never had issue with dirty guns but as a machinist and tool and die worker, and a die hard motor head I have learned to keep my equipment in top shape.
and.... Thank you and Hickok45 channel for the great entertaining and tips....
Carry J frame for 20+ yrs as LEO for off duty and bug. Only way to go for me. 5 that will always go bang. Seen some guys even carry 2 J frames in busy places.
Just a thought I like when your pops says life is good at end of all his videos. Consider it for yours.
I hear you on that. I've spent a lot more time shooting revolvers than semi-autos in my life so they are second nature to me.
I just wanted to say thanks a bunch hickok and jhon for all you guys do for us gun guys. U really paint a great picture of what most gun owner are like. Thanks agian and i appreciate that u two some how manage to find time to read all our comments too.
My J frames are a joy to shoot and incredibly accurate. The mouseguns I've never really warmed up to.
Enjoyed your video, John. I would agree that in a stress situation, folks could probably reload the Semi-Auto easier than the revolver and get back into action quicker if the threat is still present.
Good video! Also, my friend, at 6'8" the only reason you may need a gun is to protect yourself from hunters that mistake you for a Sasquatch! (Seriously, not too many people are going to mess with you!). That aside, revolvers are really growing on me. At times, I prefer to carry revolvers with an exposed hammer since it gives you the option to shoot single action - more accurately at a distance - if the need arises. Also, that "boomerang" or J-Frame shape makes revolvers great for deep appendix carry with a minimal rotating clip holster or a sticky holster for quick trips. Try it and you will be surprised how comfortable they are to carry like that. I have had bad luck finding a dependable pocket 380 which is why I started carrying a revolver. I do sometimes carry it in the pocket when wearing a longer shirt. (Definitely bulges). Also, as a side note, check out the all steel version (not Ultra-lite or poly) Taurus 85 revolver.... 38 special. You can find them for $299 or less, and at 21oz weight with the rubber grip they are pretty fun to shoot. (Sorry for the long comment.... At least you have something to think about now as you are flipping over your pillow to get to the cold side...)
+213ABK True, there are a lot of crazy people out there.
+pinkiewerewolf I'm not scared of people bigger than me. Never was. Does that make me crazy? No.
+Alprazolam08 you don't have to be "scared" of them but picking a fight with anyone is just batshit stupid.
I don't pick fights.
Alprazolam08 Well, thats what we were talking about.
I carry both a revolver and a .380 S&W bodyguard. Revolver is Ruger Sp101 hammerless. I carry 2 extra mags for the .380 and several speed strips for the revolver. I clean them periodically to keep the lint down and have them both in pocket holsters designed for each gun. I've never had one fail to fire so far when testing them at the range. Just my experience so far.
do you still carry bodyguard 380 or something else? I am looking for some small and light gun for pocket carry and don't know what to choose.
Nice job John, I watch all of your dad's videos and know your always in the back ground shooting the videos while dad is shooting the iron. Didn't realize your taller that dad. You guys keep up the great work.
Good info to consider. As of a year ago for several reason's I went FROM one semi auto to another TO S&W J Frame revolvers for my defensive handguns / EDC. After trying a few of those my EDC now is two S&W 638's because of the no snag design and choice of DA or SA.
Hey Big John. I like having a younger persons perspective on the auto vs revolver. Being of your Dads generation. I used to be a died in the wool revolver guy but since auto's and ammo for them have improved so much in the last 30 years I have "evolved". Remember old guys care more about comfort than cool when it comes to clothes. We can get away with baggy. I carry a full size 1911 in a Milt Sparks summer special from time to time. But most the time its an LC9. Hope to get an LC9s soon. Anyway, great video. you seem alot more comfortable in front of the camera now.
Interesting video! You got people to think about their own opinions and experiance, and that is great. The gun folks are the greatest and I love to hear their ideas and points of view. Merry Christmas
I agree, I love a pocket 380. I have an LCP II but the Kahr is nice. Totally agree with your analysis.
love it how the best lads reek humble. first class Mr. hickok jr.
Love the subtle sarcasm at 9:00!
Keep up the good work!
Nice comparisons! Confirms my experience with a 380 and a ruger LCR. Thanks for the video!
When I carry a revolver, I know it will work and I don't worry about all the complexities and mechanisms of a pistol. I have confidence in my pistols but there's always that dark cloud lurking about accidental mag drops, jams and stove pipes that might happen under duress.
I'm a civilian. I only need two rounds for personal defense or get to my shotgun at home. If I need more, there's three left. If I need more than that, I need to move to a safer neighborhood or practice better situational awareness.
TOBORE8THMAN whats the terminology stove pipe refer to?
MVia - Not according to the ATF. They define a *pistol* as a handgun having a single, fixed firing chamber. A revolver, by contrast, has several firing chambers (though obviously only one comes into use at a time).
I have been enjoying your Father for a while now and recently found your videos and Im glad. Good stuff.
Good video, I used to carry a Kel-Tec P3AT 380 in my pocket for many years, and it always worked well. I never considered the J frames as pocket pistols. Saying that, I love revolvers, and being your dad's age, and I am sure he can tell you as well, we have seen old timers carry S&W N frames concealed on their belts back in the day.
I noticed that on the 6 trigger pull of the revolver you didnt flinch and kept the barrel nice and flat without anticipating the recoil. Nice work! That takes a lot of practice.
One added benefit of the revolver is the narrowness of the barrel at the front, as opposed to its length. My S & W Model 640 .357 Magnum is only about 1/2 inch wide at the front barrel. This as compared to my compact Glock 19, which is 1.15 inches at the front of the gun. You see, the pistols barrel is shrouded by the slide on the Glock, and the revolver has no slide. I carry my gun in the little pocket watch pocket of my jeans, and I cut open about a 2.5" slit in the bottom of that pocket for my pistol. I sew vertical stops on each side of the slit to aid in eliminating any snagging on the pistols front sight. The slit also allows the gun to sink lower into the pocket. I wear a flat bottom dress shirt, that is meant to remain un-tucked, and is just baggy enough to obscure the view the pistol. You cannot see the pistol in my front pocket. My Glock 19, being wider at the front tip of the gun creates a small bulge down low in the pocket, where as the revolver, because of the narrow barrel does not.
How am I just now finding out that Hickok's son has his own channel? lol.
Needless to say, I subscribed.
Love your dad. Keep up the legacy!
You did a great job addressing these. Thanks for the video, and I agree with you. Nothing against revolvers
I really love how Hickok giggles in the background.
When it comes to reliability, nothing beats a revolver.
Yep, don't have to police your brass neither.
@@jaykeene9163 yep some dickhead stole half my 10mm brass at the range yesterday
Yeap... you just go...
I've been watching your dad's videos for some years now. I feel like I know you guys. Keep up the great work.
Great Video!
I CCW daily Glock 43. For all these reasons. Wife has a purse, so revolver really makes much more sense for her. LCR is fantastic. She loves to shoot it. Plus it's not complicated and very safe with that long Dual action trigger. I feel like her carrying an Auto chambered is to dangerous. With the LCR, it's ready to roll. Simple = win.
Keep making these complimentary videos with your Dad!
Thanks
Another advantage the auto-loader has with regard to reloading is that it can be reloaded from any angle, whereas as reloading a revolver with a speed loader depends a lot on gravity (the barrel must be pointed toward the ground at some point).
I still prefer the revolver as the fail-safe, though; it's a stronger, simpler system and requires little maintenance. Heck, you can toss the thing in a dishwasher, it'll be fine. Just kidding. Great video.
Slinkylabcat That is a really good point. I never thought about that but it would be tricky to load a revolver upside down.
Slinkylabcat Not if you use moonclips. They work just fine at different angles.
+Slinkylabcat Typically they are almost always used with rimless cartridges, however, they don't have to be. Places like TK customs will cut a large variety of cylinders in various calibers to accept a moonclip. In fact, one the most popular competition revolvers are the 8-shot S&W .38 specials that come from the factory with moonclips. I always thought it'd be neat to have a Redhawk Alaskan cut for moons, then it would accept .45 ACP, .45 schofield, .45 colt, and the .454 Casul. haha.
+Slinkylabcat lol, you joke about the dishwasher, but I've known a few cap and ball revolver guys who do that to clean them!!
+Slinkylabcat I would say Revolver for sure, especially for people who are not gun nuts-- I.E. people who don't plan on living breathing and sleeping guns--- they are much simpler and very easy to understand and once you have the manual down it will apply to almost any revolver you pick up which is not true of automatics.
I wish Canada had open carry law. But, I do have a 32. Cal under my bed in case someone wants to invade my peaceful home while my family sleeps. I ain't waiting for the police.
Alberta West Plumbing I don't know if you'll need it in Alberta, I lived there for a couple years and it's a pretty peaceful place compared to where I live now in Texas.
Only a .32? You not allowed to go larger?
Isnt .32 illegal?
Canada Washington Dakota & Lakes are too rural you need a carry for sure after watching FARGO I suspect there are many yet undiscovered FARGOs there
@@seer775 Yeah, what? Why would .32 be illegal?
A revolver is certainly more reliable than any woman I've known.
haha
Lol!😎
Tom Altieri 🙈👍🇺🇸
Sad but true
Good point Tom.
Great video John. An extra thing to mention is that if you press the auto up against something, it's likely the slide will be pushed back enough for the gun to go out of battery, preventing it from firing. A revolver will fire even if it's pressed right up against something, which is a big advantage of you have a threat right on top of you.
In my book, anything that goes 'bang' every time has my vote. You can have all the capacity and all the power in the world but if it fails to go off, or jams during a critical time, it's is worthless. In my experience, I have found that most revolvers will fire just about anything that they were designed to chamber where as most all the automatics I own favor particular brands of ammo and do poorly with other brands. The crankiest gun I own is a Walther PPK. It likes only two brands of ammo and will misfire on all the others on a regular basis.
"i like to keep my glasses really dirty, because it teaches to shoot with an obstructed view." ???
Use the force Luke!
John, Thanks for sharing this video, I too have extra large hands which is more of a challenge in selecting a pistol than some think. I have pocket carried my back up gun on and off duty my entire 32 year career as a LEO,preferring it to ankle carry. In my pocket, I found it much faster to deploy, as well as to protect in foot chases and fights/crowds, etc. I've carried a Smith model 38, then a 642, but the last 15 years I switched to a semi auto. First a 380. however, as of recent the excellent Kahr 9mm your Dad largely influenced me to buy. Great job young man, you took time to explain each point well, I will pocket carry for the rest of my life. You did a fantastic job!
Again, thanks.
P380 has been a stellar pistol for me, once I figured out what ammo it liked. People at the range are always amazed at how well it can be shot at defensive range and how good it feels in the hand. Can't get much better for deep concealment.
best thing about revolvers is they are more likely to shoot. they dont jam, there are no feeding problems or ejection problems, and if you get a bad bullet all you gotta do is pull the trigger again, no clearing necessary.
i think the saying is "5 definitelys over 15 maybes" (or in this case 7 maybes).
+boomzilla86 Revolvers almost always have more power as well. Choosing a semi auto is making a compromise in power, and I am more of a semi auto guy...But facts are facts and I really like revolvers too. Always have, always will...Take this video for instance. .380 is not even in the same class as .38+p in terms of power.
sweetdixieguitar
theres always a compromise. capacity and speedy reloads vs reliability. it all kind of evens out and really there arent any bad guns.
boomzilla86 Well said. I could not agree more.
When I first saw this I thought "Wow, Greg Allman did a gun review...". But, still turned out to be a fine, informative video. Well done.
But, don't you think that the reliability of the j-frame trumps a lot of the features of the semi? I mean that question sincerly, as my biggest fear is to pull out my 380 and it jams. I have been a serious revolver shooter for many years, and I REALLY wish I could trust a Kahr-like pistol as much as I trust a revolver. I own both off those pistols you had there, but if I had to "slap-leather" I would trust the s&w much more. I hate that too, because there are so many advantages to the semi-automatic. Dozens more.
Really, really enjoyed your video. Thank you, you did a fine job on that.
I feel the same way. I recently bought a Bodyguard 380 but haven't shot it much. In general I'm still having trouble trusting any semi-auto, which I suppose is silly!
My kahr cw9, I bought used but have given it everything, including a lot of steel case back when. Very few guns, including my Glocks, have had zero malfunctions over high round counts, but the kahr has never had a single issue. If course when j bought it it was like double what they can be had for now. I think they are one of the best values today. You can find them less than 250. Mags are expensive tho. I also bought a cw45 and that was a polar opposite and was quickly traded in, but my particular cw9 has exceeded all expectations
Great video Big John! As far as the recoil comment...I tend to compare it to deer hunting. I can't say I've ever noticed ANY recoil while having a nice whitetail in the cross hairs!
Thanks for the video. I do love the S&W airweight , now Im going to look for another pocket semi-auto after this video. Thanks man
You shoot that 380 well - I have an LCP and have no idea where the bullet went half the time. Also have a G26 and G19 and find them quite accurate but their triggers seem vague to me. Just picked up a J-frame 638 and, for whatever reason, I can consistently achieve the smallest groups from it. It's my new CCW despite the capacity/reload disadvantage. Guess I'm just turning out to be a revolver guy.
I picked up a S&W 442 days before my CCW recertification and out shot my G23 and G36. I had to shoot those at 10 ft further out but the lil snubby impressed me. It'll be one of my CCW from here on out.
Im a semi auto guy , but when pocket guns are concerned im all revolver. My experience has been the smaller the micro semi auto the more the problems. That's just been my experience. a .38 snubbie is a plug and play and it gets!
my 380 Bodyguard has a 100% reliability rate so far but your not wrong, its very hard to have a malfunction on a revolver.
@John Inphx
what revolver do you have as pocket carry? I am thinking about some pocket carry gun, wanted to buy ruger LCP 2, but guys at range told me its weak caliber. I don't know what pocket gun to choose.
Anyone who says "____ is a weak cartridge"; ask them if they mind being shot by one.
Shot placement.
@@TheActualJesus I've heard that one like 1 000 000 times. the problem is when you ask someone if they wanna be shot with nail gun or kicked in the face they will also say no. one person even told me that a dog was shot 18 times with 380acp and kept running - even though I question truthfulness of that story. I would love to pocket carry some 9mm, but I cannot find any that would be light enough for pocket carry. I need a gun to be below 14.1oz fully loaded if I am gonna pocket carry it.
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 there's a reason you've heard that a million times.
Thanks for the great video Big John. Pros and cons of revolver vs. semi-auto is a great discussion to have. I too have gone with the semi-auto, as well as pocket carry with an LCP. Modern semi-auto are nearly as reliable as revolvers and the ease of pocket carry means that I have no excuses to not have it with me.
You have to be
Great job, man. I enjoy your videos every bit as much as your dad's.
It would be interesting to see a size vs stopping power comparison. A good pocket pistol will have the stopping power to make you safe with as few shots as possible. Trade off for stopping power is size so it would be nice to see witch gun gives you the best of both worlds.
revolvers may be better to fire multiple shots out of a purse or backpack especially the ones with the hammer covered over like shown on the video
semi auto pistol has moving parts that can jam after the first shot inside something
I have carried both over the years. I can tell you though I always lean towards revolvers. I can tell you that I also have learned to dress to the gun. I prefer cargo style pants over jeans and have never had an issue with the right pocket holster and making sure the pockets are deep enough. I used to carry a Smith & Wesson 649 .38 Special +P and then I moved up to a 2 1/4 inch Ruger SP-101 which to me carries about as well. If I were going to go with a pocket pistol I would most likely go with a Ruger LC9 or something very similar.
Great comparison. The Mac vs PC comparison was a great way to explain the difference. Thanks
1. The revolver is easier/faster to pick up from the table, the handle being more accessible.
2. The revolver is easier/faster to grab from concealment.
3. Everyone knows how to fire a revolver.
Dan Lewis not true not a lot of people know to keep there hands away from the cylinder and not a lot of people know how to old one properly
toe #powderburn
what do you want to know about firing an DA auto ??? pull the trigger
nope
@@adrianakuzmikova1697
There is no "best gun".
Context matters.
Who are you?
Training and practice?
How do you want to carry / what pockets?
What clothes do you wear?
Where are you (country, state, urban, rural, suburban)?
Threat level.
Legality.
Availability and price of the gun itself and the ammunition.
The same for the carry option / holster.
Probably more.
All things to consider.
I will say this much, most ppl shooting a semi auto, if they had a misfire/lite strike for example their first instinct is to pull the trigger again, you have to manually rack the slide to eject the dud & chamber a new round, in a panic, without lots of practice, that could be the difference between life & death. With a revolver if you have a dud, you pull the trigger again and the next round will go.
One of john's best videos imo
Good job John. Keep up the good work. I felt pain for your dad when I watched him shoot the .454 Casull.
I'm still so jealous of you and your old mans range. I want to shoot in my back yard!
I recently bought the CW380. Small 380's scare me. No feed ramp to speak of, and plenty of problems posted online with the P380/CW380. Interesting a Kahr needs 200 rounds to break-in. I guess Kahr builds 'em so good you have to get it working yourself. For now I will stick with my S&W Shield 9mm or LCR due to their reliability. If the gun doesn't go bang, forget caliber and shot placement!
Several manufacturers make excellent pocket size 9mm pistols. Compared to the 380, for me personally the 9mm pocket pistols come out only very slightly larger as to size and weight, equal in number of rounds held, and well ahead of the 380 in ballistics / stopping power. For me, the difference in felt recoil is negligible. In addition, 9mm ammo is much less expensive and much more readily available than 380 in my neighborhood. And, I can use 9mm in a far wider variety of desirable full-size pistols and carbines and even revolvers, which give the 9mm more versatility as to defense and recreation options. Not saying that choosing 380 is "wrong". Others have different priorities.
I've been wanting to get a Kahr Micro
or Beretta Pico .380 or Nano 9mm
glad U Featured Your EDC been wanting A Kahr for a While.
I'm new Friday October 23. been following Hickok 45 for a while
handgun owner for a little over a year and have My C&C now
great Job on Video.
Thanks for sharing John and Hickok!..
Greetz!..
That shooting range seems familiar... :3
Good to see you on that side of the camera, John. You're obviously a chip off the block, so to speak. Heard a lot of metal ringing.
Thank your old man for me. Lots of good stuff. Great sense of humor. Looking forward to seeing more of you both.
Thanks for the vid, a lot of great information, in regards to their pros and cons. I'm in the market for a pocket shooter, and the comparison vid clears most of my questions. The only question now is, how much do I want to spend and what brand of pistol to get.
My Colt snubnose is a great gun, I carried it for years but now my favorite is my LCP.
Hi :)
Il take the revolver over the pistol any day....
Best regards from Norway
Yea as much as I love semi automatics I'm going to have to agree with you. You just can't beat the rugged reliability of a well made wheel gun. I might add I carry a Glock 23 gen 4, so we ain't all "Glocktards" lol.
no trigger bites unless hammerless and has a messy flash gap effect unless Mossin Nagant
True Norwegian Nobel here .
what pocket gun do you carry? I am thinking about ruger lcp 2, but some people at range told me .380 is too weak. should I buy some revolver? I shoot revolver only once and I was so bad with it I couldnt even hit my target :(
@@adrianakuzmikova1697 640 357 smith and Wesson 5 shots CARRY A few in ya pocket for when the LIBERAL TRASH don't understand we like PEACE and quiet. MAGA
Nice video!
Homie, you just dropped a PC vs Mac analogy in this vid! Epic! Good stuff, man!
Thanks John, cemented my decision for a Kahr CW9.
Close quarters:
You can push the revolver into the attacker and fire away.
The Semi auto will likely be pushed out of battery.
Many claim reliability is an advantage for the revolver.
So I count two plus marks for each.
Size - rounds - Semi Auto
Close quarters - reliability - Revolver
If you grab the cylinder of a revolver it won`t fire either but I`ll agree that it`s less likely to happen.
Why would you be pushing your firearm into your attacker in the first place? your watching to many movies.
KING_GENO If your attacker is lying on you and pinning you to the ground I can easily see that scenario, The LEO stated above he carried a J-frame on the job for 20 years and so did his buddies, that's saying a lot to me, what is your real world experience King Geno?
The point is there is no need to jam your gun into somebody and if that person is on top of you pinning you down you dont think they are going to see you try to pull out a gun?
your logic makes no sense maby you are just one of those revolver fan boys.
snub nose revolvers will explode if shot point blank into a (soft tissue) target. due to the back pressure on impact
Hickok45 better watch out, John is going to knock him off the throne if his videos keep getting this good. Autoloader vs Revolver = PC vs Mac? Never thought about it that way, but awesome comparison!
And the dirty glasses joke was awesome.
***** Im sure some tacticool guy who carries a full loadout to go to the local grocery store was the root of that joke somehow.
Being retired and living in Florida I wear a lot of tru-spec tactical shorts and pocket carry a 9mm shield with a magguts +2 kit which gives me 9+1 in a desantis nemesis holster. I tried the Kahr cm9 and that gun gave me nothing but problems. If I'm wearing jeans or pants I'll carry my bodyguard .380 with magguts +1, 7+1. Both the shield and the bodyguard have been extremely reliable. Definitely a Smith and Wesson fan. Lifetime warranty. I somehow managed to scratch the barrel on my sport 2 ar-15 on the bench at my range and sent it in to s and w and had it back in less than 2 weeks with the barrel refinished, no questions asked. Kahr only has a 5 year warranty and that cm9 was very finicky with ammo. Hornady critical defense was impossible to use as it continually nose dived. The trigger guard is too small and tore up my trigger finger. If you check the forums you will see many others having the same issue with the trigger guard. The shield fits the same nemesis holster I got for the cm9. I'm also able to get a full three finger grip on the shield with the magguts +2 baseplate. Anyone want to buy a barely used Kahr cm9? Two 6 round mags, one mag has a pearce pinky extension, both mags have lakeline steel followers, rubberized talon grip tape. Original box and paperwork.
FInally, I found a website for people of normal height. I was absolutely happy to hear your son say he is 6'8" with big hands. I am 6'6" and have large hands also and buying firearms is difficult as they are made for small hands. I even have issues with rifles as the stocks are too short. About the only firearms I feel truly comfortable with are the Taurus Judge and the Desert Eagle - not very efficient for CCW! I will be watching, thanks for the tests!
Jake Lakota I'm 6,4 with big hands I have not fired as many I'd like they should make "big hand arms" a thing like "mouse guns"
I'm not as big as Big John. I'm only 6'4" but I have reasonably big hands too. I hate those little .380 autos. They are too snappy for me. I can't get a good solid grip on them as I can on normal sized pistols. I never had any problem with any revolver (except the .44 Magnum) but the little .380s like those that James Bond carries hurt my hand. The most comfortable pistol to fire in my tests was a Sig Sauer P226 in 9mm. No felt recoil at all. I have a touch or arthritis in the thumb of my shooting hand. I am a little sensitive about such matters.
+Patrick Boyle There is considerable difference in the felt recoil of pocket 380 pistols. I bought a Ruger LCP as soon as they came out and while I could shoot it fine, my wife said it really hurt her hand. I then got a Kahr P380 and she could shoot that until I ran out of ammo. The LCP got sold to a friend and the P380 has been in my front pocket ever since.
+jima28080 I'm sure you're right. But the simple fact is that I only know the .380 autos that they had for rent at my local shooting range. I tried most of them. I can't remember if they had had any Kahr's. But I thank you for your advice. Maybe I'll check out a Kahr.
Excellent comparison video and nice job. A little tip on the pocket 380 lint issue. I cut a 1/4" slice off a standard yellow ear plug and it fits nicely into the tip of the barrel. I carry it that way and no more lint in the barrel.
15 years ago i owned a sig 380 that was a jamomatic. i guess the new ones are pretty good. however, it made a big impression on me. i am heavily invested in the 357 magnum these days. different strokes for different folks.
Hickok laughing at the 43/44 second mark is the best LOL.
the good thing about revolver is in the heat of the fight they don't have failure to feed
Very very rare, though, and it means something is truly wrong with the gun. Semi's can malfunction without being "broken" and often do, even from things like a less than perfect grip. I own both types of guns but semis are pickier!
Just so you know, the advertisement before the video began was a ridiculous Brady Campaign commercial. Wow. Talk about not lining up correct audience for your commercial.
Aaron Bradbury That`s awesome, you got to love the Brady Campaign accidentally funding a gun video.
hickok45andson
The irony pleases me to no end...
+hickok45andson haha! They just paid one of the leading families in gun rights activism to teach people about carry guns.
Thanx for the video and your thoughts on this highly controversial subject. I think that everyone has their own opinion on what there ideal carry gun should be and why. I think that anything down to the tiny 22 is better than no protection. it's what are you comfortable with and can you hit your mark when you need to. Choose wisely your life or your loved ones may depend on it.
You can never deny that boy Hickok! His sense of humor is cut right out of his Daddy's back!
Dude at 6'8" you don't need to carry anything!
If I was 6'8" the only thing I'd carry is a toothpick!
6'8" people die if they get shot or stabbed also. size doesn't matter
If I was 6'8 I'd carry a large .44 revolver or Desert Eagle just so my gun doesn't look puny on me.
+Durham Regional Police love eagles but they jam.. I'd carry a 454 or a high cap 9mm 18 rounds +- or both haha. love you familia Hickok!!
Andrew Rai he's 6,8?
I agree with you on the ease of reloading the auto, however that is if you have an extra clip already loaded. If you were to take the same two guns and reload without having an extra clip or speed loader, then the revolver is easier an faster to reload. Think of how many steps it takes to reload the auto; eject the clip, load the clip, inject the clip, pull the slide, then fire. With revolver; disengage cylinder, load, engage cylinder, fire.
bunky6765 but that’s why you prepare before you need it it’s by far easier to reload an auto if you follow proper preparation you show me either type of gun needing to be prepared to reload during a gun fight and I’ll show you two dead defenders bad guy wins no matter which gun they own!
As always, thanks’ for taking the time to make this video! And I support this site. ~M~
Thanks John for the good comparison. I have a Colt Det. Spl by my bed ,that I have had for years. I still think revolvers are more of a good bet to go bang every time then a semi-auto. However that difference has grown much less with the number of high quality semi's coming out in the last few years. Semi's are a great advantage both in capacity and reloading for sure.
Love my 1911's but my newest pocket gun is the Glock 43, had to get one after watching your Dad's review and getting one in my hands.
Bought a Kahr 9mm for my wife one time, but she could not shoot it well at all, cause of the long trigger pull. It was a quality gun though and very reliable.
I putting dirt on my shooting glasses, so I can be prepared LOL.
You got another Sub.
Most guns reviewed and reviewed are done by men and young women. It would be great if sometimes a gun review might include an older woman's opinion of a firearm. The reason I give is in many cases if you leave your older woman with one of your own guns for protection overnight if you can't check on her or are just away. It would be good to know what women her age might handle best. Most older women who never shoot would like a revolver, but don't like a heavy trigger. So maybe you could invite an older women to stand back and shoot a few rounds from various guns and have her say what she likes and dislikes in a self protection gun. Just an idea.
moofushu. I carry the S & W 642 and love it. It is easy to load...conceals easily...always fires. Kicks a little. 😁 55 y/o BAM
Recently went looking at guns with my Mom who is 77. She liked the trigger pull on the Ruger LCR. She will probably get the 357 model and shot it with 38's
I'm an older woman so I'll reply. I'm more familiar with revolvers and I like them. I don't carry often but usually carry a 642 or BG 38 when I do. I also have a few semi-auto 9mm guns and I shoot them about as well as I do the .38s. They all seem to want to jump out of my hands but so far they don't. I'll have to say that for the inexperienced, revolvers are much more intuitive to operate and to remember how if someone rarely goes to the range. Also, racking a slide is difficult for me but I can do it by grasping the whole slide with my left hand and pushing the frame forward with my right, so that is a big consideration for women. Revolvers can malfunction too (for example, if the cylinder is not all the way engaged), but in general they are probably a little more reliable than a semi, which requires a firm grip to function. It really comes down to personal preference and the ability to operate the gun.
I recently bought a little Bodyguard 380 which has less recoil and is easier to carry, but I've not shot it enough yet to really compare. Also, it will take awhile for me to develop confidence in it that it won't ever decide to be finicky. So far so good.
I have never had a FTF or a FTE moment with a revolver. Never have had a headheach with a revolver. Never had a "oh s@#%t' moment with a revolver. I laughed when he said a speed loader takes too much space in his pocket. I prefer 6 shots for sure than maybe 10. Besides in a real life and death situation you will run out of time before you run out of bullets.
+Minombre Miapellido I have never seen a glock malfunction with full power factory loads and I have seen tons of revolvers break and fail due to debris in the action. Most gun shot victims die due to blood loss and that takes a pretty long time so I have trouble seeing how there can be too many situations where you run out of time before you run out of ammo. I think revolvers are great but there is a reason why most people don`t carry them any more for self defense.
+hickok45andson My Dad brought home a couple of older revolvers and I told him not to shoot them or put ammo in the cylinders, the timing/cylinder bore alignment was so far off. He had that mentality that there could never be an issue with a revolver and it would have gotten him injured at the least. I'm just glad he showed them to me before he shot them.
I like revolvers, just brought home a Model 60 pro, and I've had a bunch of SAA, and double action revolvers in my past, it isn't that I don't like revolvers but they can have issues.
+Minombre Miapellido I discovered how to fail fire a revolver, by not pulling the trigger all the way, releasing, and pulling again, it actually got really weird. Revolvers can jam. I wanted to find out if they could, and it did.
John Grit
Good point. I however, was trying to make the revolver fail by short pulling the trigger, and it worked. What I learned is, when pumping out the rounds rather quickly on a revolver, make sure to pull the trigger all the way to complete the cycle.
+Randall Flagg Yes, you have to practice because you can short-cycle a pump shotgun and bolt-action rifle too. Revolvers require a strong trigger finger, so that's another reason to dry fire a lot - strengthen the trigger finger. Pistols like Glocks can be short-cycled by not allowing the trigger to go forward enough to reset. That has gotten people killed, just as forgetting to push the safety off a 1911 has.
Great points. I agree with you. I have both and carry a small auto.
I like that when you said PC vs Mac you pointed to the j frame for Mac
I'm a revolver and a Mac guy
Cheers john
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I carry that same revolver every day and have for the last year. Nobody would ever know I have that on me. I never had the printing issue. One must also take into account the style of clothing they wear. Love my 642 J frame Very concealable, very convenient. I'll carry a .38+ over a .380 any day of the week. Personally I don't believe in .380s and think they are counterproductive. I also 2 carry two extra speed strips in my mini pocket. Auto's are also way more subject to failure/malfunctions then revolvers. Some days I carry two guns. A 9mm in a pancake thumb break holster and then the j frame as a backup. Also carry extra magazine and extra ammo for the .38 as well.
" Auto's are also way more subject to failure/malfunctions then revolvers."--Are modern autos WAY more likely to fail?
It really doesn't matter in my book if it's a 1911 Les Bauer, a sig, an HK, smith and Wesson, whatever, even Glocks. Modern or older auto loaders can malfunction for different reasons primarily due to bad magazine or junk ammo. Let's not forget taking care of the gun. The quality of the gun is relatively irrelevant as to whether or not it will malfunction. Unless there is an internal issue with a revolvers cylinder, or firing pin which is rather rare, a revolver will always go bang when you need it to. They also don't require a Break for reliable carry, unlike auto's. The issue I had a few weeks ago with my little j frame which is the same as in this video was due to ammo/ a squid load. While that was surprising to me out of a revolver, it was the ammo I had in the gun. Many people carry a semi auto pistol with the same ammo loaded in the magazine for too long thus wearing out the spring or follower of a magazine, or they rarely or never get to the range and never fire the gun. I know people that do that. Excessive heat, cold, and moisture will significantly affect an auto loading pistol mechanically. Not cycling ammo through a magazine or changing ammo/mags every six months is a recipe for a malfunction, and just stupid in my opinion. Most people that aren't "gun people" but own firearms don't know that, or care about that. Then when the gun jams they don't know how to clear it. I also never unload the ammo out of my magazines unless I test fire them, then top them off with a round in chamber. Any round that gets chambered doesn't get re chambered or put back into a magazine either. Doing those two things will always cause malfunctions too which I've had happen multiple times. Autos are very prone to malfunction just given the mechanics of how the weapon system works, where as withs revolver you just keep squeezing the trigger. Just be sure to carry reliable and quality ammo in it.
aran125" Autos are very prone to malfunction just given the mechanics of how the weapon system works"--I have semi-autos that have NEVER malfunctioned, and I'm 1000% sure they'd fire when needed.
Some experts in the field of firearms say leaving magazines loaded does NOT hurt them, but it's the loading/unloading that wears out a spring.
Whatever you do, do NOT get a Ruger LCR. If you don't let the trigger out ALL the way, the cylinder will rotate but it won't fire. Beware.
You sure about that?? You have NEVER had a malfunction?? Perhaps you just take real good care of your guns and don't shoot junk ammo. Quality magazines vs junk magazines too. I'm not a 1911 guy but In general I only buy factory magazines for any given pistol, in don't buy junk cheap junk magazines. Many people say that about that they never have malfunctions I just don't buy it, nor am I alone. Many "experts" in the field of firearms?? Who are these "experts"?? Everyone's an expert, especially on CZcams. I only speak from my personal experience. Many Cops, the smart ones that actually take their shooting and survival and tactics seriously unlike many change their service ammo/magazines every six months. I personally don't think it's smart to leave ammo in a magazine longer and feel it truly CAN wear out the spring and follower. I have my carry magazines and then 2 or three spares for a couple of my pistols and I cycle them. Every Six months I cycle out whatever I have in my carry mags and then I load new ammo in them. If I go to the range, like I said..... Just to assure my gun would fire in a situation that I had to draw it.... I draw and fire when the range is hot, remove the magazine from the gun and fire the remaining chambered round..... Then I separate my carry magazines and shoot with my "range/ target" mags and after im done I clean the gun/sometimes the mags if they need them then I top off my carry mags, chamber a round and top of the mag. Like that system opposed to taking your carry ammo out of the magazines then reloading it over and over dinging up the casings..... Also those that keep on re clambering the same round over and over. Once I load the gun, it stays loaded. Many cops do that too and just leave the loaded weapon in their holster on their duty belt, they just throw it in their locker, or safe at home.
I'm a smith guy for revolvers too.
Revolvers have only a few moving parts, thus they're more reliable. You can even shoot it w/o taking out of the pocket! Try that with a pistol, the slide will do something funny, flying back inside your pocket.
+john dow While it is possible to shoot a revolver from your pants pocket, don't try it! At best you will have a nasty burn on your leg from the cylinder gap. You wont fire a second round. A pocket semi auto will fire at least one round before jamming up. That is not recommended either
A semi auto has less moving parts, a revolver is just well engineered. A model-T has less moving parts than a Civic.
My old CCW pocket gun was a KelTec P3AT, great gun 100% reliable. It's now in my safe since the Glock 42 came out. I use a Galco horse hide in the pocket holster for both guns. I'd recommend either, but the Glock fits the hand better and mags are easier to find. 7 round of .380 with a extra mag is plenty of firepower in my opinion.
Good relaxing fun video. Keep up the good work.