I prefer carrying a revolver. I have a Smith and Wesson model 442 .38 special. Shoots +P rounds. Doesn't have the capacity of a semi auto but I like how easily conceals in my pocket in a pocket holster. I can walk around without a shirt on in the summer and you'd never know I had a gun on me. Takes up about as much space as a cell phone. Also it's easy to shoot. It's double action so you just draw and shoot. Goes bang every time.
James Thompson my fav option too. these modern high cap plastic toys are ugly uave no heart or guts to them. also I like the contour of my 642 airweight and I love the .357 variations. most versatile set of handgun cartridges ever (without potential over penetration like a 44spl/mag or 45/454 cas). too many fools think they need 15 round mags carrying one in the gun and 4 more on the belt. thinking they'll be attacked by zombies terrorists or mafia by the hundreds. sorry boondock saints was a movie 1 guy isn't gonna go up against 200 and win. law enforcement stats say avg gun fight distance ft. avg amount of rounds fired 1 to 3 per person. So why anyone feels they are superman and they are super special is beyond me.
People can argue pro and con until the cows come home. It is simply a matter of personal choice. I carry a S&W 642 air weight in my pocket and when I can conceal it, I also strap a S&W SD9 VE on my belt.
People can say what they want about the ol' .38 Special cartridge but for many years that was my go-to cartridge for pretty much everything in terms of both my service revolver and for concealed carry. Many years ago I worked as a security officer in south Florida and the State of Florida mandated that all armed security officers had to carry a 4-inch .38 Special revolver. Sadly, you couldn't use a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special cartridges. It absolutely HAD to be a .38 Special revolver. No more, no less. Most armed security officers opted to carry a blued or nickel S&W model 10 or the stainless steel model 64 and because of this I got to know the .38 cartridge VERY well over the ten years I was a "rent-a-cop". Although we only had to qualify once a year, I was on the range at least once per month because I enjoyed shooting so much, and I really loved the .38 Special cartridge and it served me well over the years. I've been out of the business for many years now but today I understand things are different and Florida later changed what they allow guards to carry as far as types of handguns and caliber(s). Although I don't get to the range like I once did, I still enjoy shooting when I can but as a mere private citizen still I enjoy shooting .38 Special's through my old 4" S&W model 586 and it's a round I still love to fire when I get the chance. Some may scoff at the .38 for defense purposes but as someone who carried one "on the job" for ten years I can attest the .38 Special is still a viable cartridge for defense purposes because it's available in such a wide variety of bullet types and rated strengths. I'm equally fond of the 9mm, and just like the .38 Special, it too is available in a wide variety of bullet type and strength levels up through +P+ ratings, making it a very versatile cartridge still today :)
My CCW is a Canik TP9SF 9mm with a capacity of 18+1. I always carry a BUG as well, usually my S&W 638-3 .38 spl. It’s a 5 round snub nose revolver I keep loaded with Hornady +p Critical Defense rounds. At home, I keep my little Ruger LCP II .22LR semi auto pistol with me at all times. Lots of coyotes snd snakes and the like.
Funny to listen to all the "experts" fire power and multiple clips....In the real world If you need a gun it will be close and over before you know what happend..The best gun is the one you feel comfotable with and you will carry....doesn't matter how powerful or how many rounds, if you don't have it when you need it..And pray you will never need it..
@@gamestycon2239 capacity is great if you cant shoot. 7 yards is combat range for personal protection.if you cant hit your intended target in this range, spend the very least amount of time in public as you can. If you dont put yourself in an an uncomfortable situation, then you wont have to worry much.
Don't know your experience, but FYI the 7 yard distance was a DRILL by a Utah Police Academy Instructor. If you're not familiar it, it's called the Tueller Drill. It's not a law, not policy, or documented combat range for personal protection. Some are less & some are more. Combat accuracy is evaluated at 25 yards. www.bing.com/search?q=tueller+drill&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
Great snubbie shooting. I just got one and have been pulling DA. It really does take quite a while to start acquiring the sights efficiently but damn these snubbies are fun. I had my 45 with me and took about 10 shots and put it away and went at it for about 60 shots with the snub. I may not be as good but for some reason the fun factor is really there. Plus it is so much easier to pocket carry it with some hollowpoints than my semis in a holster, atleast in the hot weather. good vid and tips. thx much.
My pleasure, thanks for watching. You might be interested in the recent reviews I've done on the compact 9mms. Especially the MP Shield. Please check out some of the other videos, let us know what you think and feel free to share with your friends. Thanks!
Thanks for your perspective. Felt recoil is subjective and for me the kel-tec had more recoil... so much that I sold it after only 100 rounds. For me the M&P Shield has been an excellent alternative. Plus with 7+1 and an 8 round magazine it's a good combination of small size and capacity. That being said, whatever works for you the operator, and allows quick hits on target matters more than a specific caliber or brand. Thanks again for commenting!
Nicely done! You provided a clean objective analysis of the simplicity of the revolver versus the semi-auto pistol's ease of reloading. You also provided the good point that "immediate action" on a revolver is nothing more than pulling the trigger again, and that in the case of a semi-auto pistol the remedy can be more involved.
At 4:05 that's a good point, and I agree. If you look around CZcams for videos of cops or soldiers shooting it out, it's sustained gunfire because the bad guy is trying to kill the cop or soldier. Now look at videos of civilians in a gunfight. Very few bullets are exchanged, and the bad guy generally runs away. Why? Because all he's looking for is a victim, not a fight. I respect the tactical shooters community because that kind of intense focused training will definitely save their life in any possible scenario, but the reality is that a revolver--even with its limited ammo capacity--is more than capable of defending a civilian's life. That's not classroom scare tactics, that's not keyboard warrior stuff. That's a verifiable fact of a civilian gunfight that anybody can see for themselves right here on CZcams. Personally I carry a semi-auto, but if I were to carry a revolver I wouldn't consider myself under-armed.
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC i have a colt anaconda .44MG and a ruger alaskan super red hawk .454 casull. In my opinion, for self defense ( in case of rapid fire), is too large caliber because the recoil is very strong.
Very good review. Thanks for sharing.Two great options. I've had a PM 9 for nearly 20 years and it's been stellar! Accurate, reliable, light and very easy to conceal! I also have a S&W 360 PD and it's also a great choice. The S&W weighs 4-5 ounces less than the Kahr PM9. Now I carry a Hk P2000sk LEM as my primary piece and the PM 9 or S&W 360 PD as a back up.
Some of the best practical advice presented here. I have seen this video years ago and applies now thinking of different carry options for wallet carry.
Revolvers are the way to go for self-defense, Im always nervous of clip fed pistols because of the fact of the safety and then if the clip feeds correctly etc. as where a Revolver human error is basically eliminated and it only comes down to aim.
Excellent Video!! Very comprehensive outlay of information. I would support the opinion that for most inexperienced shooters, the revolver would generally be the better choice of handgun. Less complex and fewer things can go wrong -- when compared to a semi-automatic.
Glock 34, approx. 3,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort; Glock 19, approx. 9,000 rounds, 2 limp-wristed stovepipes (my bad), 0 other failures; Walther PPK, approx. 2,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort;S&W Model 36, approx. thousands and thousands of rounds over 25 years, 0 failures.Buy quality firearms to begin with, maintain them properly, practice regularly, 0 failures.
I absolutely can do that. My personal experience over many years is my data. It is not anecdotal to me. My firearm is different than another's because it is mine, I use it, I maintain it. I may have left out that I use only brand ammo or my own reloads in my original post but the numbers are the same, 0 ftf's, 0 fte's. Surely there are problems with some firearms even of the same brands as I have posted but they can most often be repaired and maintained thereafter. What actual historical data are you referring too?
+Robert Hafetz Robert and Bill, I've had great success with my Glock pistols. My Gen 2 G19 has over 50,000 founds through it. My Gen 17 has 18,000 rounds. My G 34 12,000+ My G26 Gen 3 has over 10,000 rounds through it My S&W M&P Pistol have similar round counts. The bottom line, all of my polymer framed striker fired guns have been 100% reliable provided I was using quality ammo, good mags and proper maintenance. As an instructor , I see lots of guns and in our classes we shoot as much as 700 rounds a day in an advanced class. I can say the striker fired guns by the top manufactures (Glock, S&W, XDMs, Walthers and HKs) have been extremely reliable. Bottom line, if the handgun is well maintained, and used with quality ammo and Mags. They are capable of extreme long term performance.
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC Couldn't agree more. I've been shooting since the late 50's, for fun mostly and competitively. I think I've worn-out a couple revolvers ( a Herters .22 & an old Model 10) over that time, they still function well though not as accurately nor as tightly. Still, I could use them if needed...I consider that long term performance no matter what other data might say.
Great video that's realistic and unbiased. So many people rule out revolvers but they have advantages for certain people, as do semi-autos for others. Thanks!
Excellent and very professional video and discussion. This one of the best discussions I have listen to and seen without being "good old boy" sounding. Great Job in my humble opinion!
Great video thank you 🙏🏻 Owning just about every style hand gun and caliper under the sun - love them all. The 1 in a million chance no doubt one of my revolvers would save the day (357 carry) and in the home my trusty Chiappa 60ds 👍 No doubt either would ever be used to point at anyone.
Tony Home just get really good on your reloads, that’s where the revo can fail on you. I’ve had shells that got stuck under the extractor star, which is the revolver’s version of the stove pipe jam. It’s also difficult to release that stuck shell, but that has happened when I’m on the range using cheap metal cases ammo and haven’t brushed or cleaned the cylinders in between firing segments.
I like revolvers but I have jammed them before as well ( powder and pocket lint under the Star extractor) nearly impossible to clear without tools. Modern auto loaders from quality manufacturers have fewer moving parts, easier to reload and generally more powerful with less recoil. When was the last time you saw the police or military with a revolver? I do recommended using a quality holster with autos though, less of a issue for revolvers.
your totally right. too many people get caught up in caliber or capacity wars forgetting that reliability and shots on target are what count when your life is on the line. Hard to go wrong with either of the sidearms in your review!
Very good video. I personally prefer small revolvers for their reliability. I currently carry a S&W 642PC which I bought for the extra trigger work. It is very smooth and is also cut for moon clips which gets around the speed loader issue a bit. To me, the PC version was worth the extra $45 for those features.
I have a glock 26 and a Taurus model 405 chambered in .40 and do love the Taurus for shooting, with a 2 inch snubby barrel. The Taurus is awesome very accurate to 80 yards. I have concealed both. Carry what works best for you.
Good video! I wish people would put more emphasis on carrying moon clips instead of speed loaders, as they are just as easy to load with and less likely to fall apart in the pocket.
Good video. I own a Smith and Wesson 642 as well as a 9mm shield. Both guns are reliable, and conceal well. Whether an airlite revolver, or a compact 9, range time is an absolute necessity. Neither the 9mm or the 38 special have that "punishing effect" like say, a 500 magnum, but when fired from smaller frame guns, they take a bit of getting used to. If I gave a new shooter some 38 rounds to shoot out my 686, they'd probably have no recoil issues whatsoever. That gun just eats up the recoil when chambered with 38 rounds. Give that shooter an airlite revolver with the same 38 rounds, and it may be quite a different story as far as recoil. Same with the compact 9. Full size pistols are quite a bit easier to manage than their compact brethren. Took me a few magazines to get used to the snappiness of the shield, as I was used to shooting the full size model. Regardless of what you carry, there's no substitute for time at the range...
AngelsLastVengeance I couldn't agree more. Too many people select and carry small, light weight handguns. However they do not practice with them enough to manage the recoil and deliver combat effective hits. Every gun is a compromise in some way, shape or form. Full size guns are easier to shoot, smaller guns make concealed carry easier. Thanks for commenting!
Hi, I don't know how long comments about specific videos are monitored, but I wanted to pass along a couple of comments. I just viewed this video today. From the clear and easily understood explanations of using the revolver and the pistol I would guess that you've got a background in teaching. You made this topic interesting and informative. I go back and forth between a revolver (S&W 640 or S&W 686-6+ 3") and a pistol (Glock 26 or 43). I always carry two speed loaders with the revolvers and at least one spare magazine with the pistols. Habit from being in law enforcement (now retired) of always carrying extra ammunition. Thanks again, Frank Harrah
+Frank Harrah Thanks for the kind words. Yes I have a back ground in instruction, facilitation and experiential learning. This was one of the earlier vids I did in 2012. I think the content we're producing now is a bit better. Thanks for commenting and watching! Regards, SW
I own a Kahr PM9. But I recently purchased the Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 over the Shield. It felt better and I have more mag capacity. It is now my EDC gun.I know many people knock Taurus but this gun is a big change in thier handguns. BTW. Great video.
Sir, I owned the PM9 for two years and shot several thousand rounds throught it. I didn't use the slide relase as it was almost impossible to actuate. I've always used the "sling shot" method to chamber a round when i cant get the slide release. See my other vids. I ended up selling the Kahr and going to the M&P Shield which felt better in my hand and has a trigger (with a distinct) reset. Kahr is a good gun... on issue are the mags which can cause malfunctions.
Very informative video..Aside from Police job, have gun store past 33 years. Kahr arms is the number 1 gun I send back for factory service. Some years ago. NYPD revoked the K9 as an authorized off duty gun. Also the NYS Att. Gen. office just added the Ruger LCP as authorized off duty as the PM9 was not doing well on requals, including two that were sent back and I received new replacement pistols to transfer to two guys, as the guns were unfixable. I personally carry the LC9s for my front pocket w a 19 or 17 tucked in pants. I am not a kahr hater, when they came out with the P9 early in my career I thought that was a great gun, but me and several other cops experienced jams...just my experience selling and servicing them...My bottom line, carry 2 guns all the time and at least 1 reload for each. Desantis just came out with their version of the Bianchi speed strips, for those of you who remember them, a lot easier than the speed loaders. P.S. Tuarus is the second handgun I send back for factory service...
I agree and I too prefer a semi auto. Shoot it better and it works for me. However, too many folks don't train enough to run a semi effectively... especially with malfucntion. The revolver can be a good alternative and should be considered as an option. Thanks for watching...
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC awesome video my dude...my apt was recently robbed and I actually had to hide for my life...I'm getting my first handgun and I think I might go with the .38..thanks to u
I agree with you there. I too shoot the MP and Kahr weekly. I have over 20,000 now thru the MP Pro and 10K thru the Standard MP. I also carry the PM9 more than any other gun I've owned. The main reaosn for the video topic was to allow folks to consider the pros and cons of semiautos and revolvers. I encourage folks to carry the gun they practice with (can hit with) and can run under stress. The two pistols you mentioned are the two I use most... Great minds think alike!
I have been carrying a revolver since 1981 (except in the army where I carried a 45). Over the years, I have seen more and more people act like they are going to war. If it continues like this, shortly you will see guys carrying two 45s, 15 extra mags for each, a hand grenade in each pocket and drive to work in an M1 tank.
I carry a S&W model 36 and my brother carries a Kahr Pm9. I think we could agrue all day about what is best. For instance if you are wounded in any arm or hand you are not going to be able to rack the slide on the Pm9. Conversly reloading a wheel gun under pressure is not easy no matter what method you employ. Not to bore you with other examples but my brother points out he has more fire power from the git go making a reload less likely. I pointed out that I train atleast three times a week, so now he joined a club that has IDPA. I had my butt saved twice as an armed guard just presenting the firearm, I never had to pull the trigger and I hope that for everyone who carries. Thanks for listening. Keep the videos coming.
I occasionally carry both, especially in winter when people have more clothing on. A Kahr MK9, which is the same size as the PM9 only in full stainless, and my grandfathers police service revolver, a 50's era Colt Detectives Special snub nose.
very nice video I for about 3 yrs carried a Ruger GP100 3 inch and I use hip holster similar to what cops wear I personally like having snap because I have on 2 occasion not snapped it because in hurry and as I got out of vehicle gun was in seat. I was revolver man all the way another reason I went with Ruger was for when reloading I liked the button you pushed in to open cylinder just thought it was faster and with 3 years of going to range I always carry 2 speed loaders for quicker loading and I do have arthritis in hands and actually loading each bullet into cylinder wasn't that easy but I got fo were I can reload as my revolver as fast as my friends could their semi's I always feared jams & decided to purchase my 1st non revolver and got a 1911 45 & still very new to it actually just took it to the range for the 1st time last weekend. I've never used revolver like this all mine have been double actions and wjen at range for better accuracy pull the hammer back but I know if it ever was time I needed it for defense that I would more than likely have to go just pulling trigger which revolver people knows is harder to pull and my accuracy wasn't as good. still been practicing alot for over 3 years and thought I had it pretty good groupings and figured it's 1st time with my 1911 and figured it would take time to get used to and I was way wrong every clip I shot was tight grouping. I have smaller hands so I had to go with one with single stack rounds so I have 7 rounds with 45 to 6 with my revolver. I'm now stuck trying to figure out which I should use for my EDC I'm sticking with my Ruger for at least a little longer and have more range time getting used to unholstering and reloading. I of course still have to buy some things I would like to also carry 2 spare clips like I do 2 speed loaders. my concern is the size difference in clips over speed loaders. so I will tick with hip holster but for spare clips what is best way to carry them since they are much larger? Do they make some form of things to put on belt like pocket knives cry cases? I imagine that would be similar in size. I'm not saying I'm buying pocket knife things to carry clips I'm just using for size comparison. also what brands do people think are best. the Speed loaders for revolvers he said is same I carry and are superb. I like them because they are so small and take up little space. If anyone could give me any info on what they may use and if they think I should stick to revolver or is switching something they would also do? sorry I'm new to the pistols or semi whatever the correct term for them is. I've had 3 357's, 1 38 spec. & 1 44 magnum which was my biggest regret buying. it is wonderful gun but if you have arthritis in hands don't buy one even with the hogue Grips it's still killer on the hands.
For those talking about the j frame. yes it is horrible for target practice with factory grips because it literally tore open my hand after an hour. I purchased hougue grips and they help out a lot with that issue and only cost me $25. I use my revolver for ccw it was the first gun that fit and felt good in my hand and I made my decision based on that. It is not the easiest to aim so definitely work on target practice.
The thing about ammunition capacity is that more is better. While there are cases where gunfights can drag and more than 10 shots are needed, your typical defensive firearm use will last less than 3 seconds, and when shots are fired, the average number of shots is 6. The key here is 'average' if you can get a compact gun with 12 rounds of 9mm or .40 S&W, you should be fine. .38 spl with proper loads can be fairly good, too, but with only 5 rounds that would be of concern. I know that .357 magnum is more powerful, but out of a 2 inch barrel it's far less impressive. Still, the S&W 642 and other revolvers of the kind, I find the lack of any sharp edges just perfect for deep concealment. They have nothing that any clothing can snag onto.
I carry that 642 air weight and the Glock 26 whenever I leave the house , the 642 I carry in a Remora pocket holster and the Glock in a IWB kydex holster . I keep one one me and the other between my seat and e-brake as it is easier to get to in a car jack situation while seat belted in. I always carry Sig V Crown defense ammo in all my CCW guns as the ballistics are fantastic
great video. i'm not sure if u stated this or not, but another advantage to a revolver is that it can be fired from a jacket pocket without any worry of a slide binding up. I have a 642, awesome gun.
Carry both! My "standard carry" is a S&W Model 637 in 38+p with 12 rounds of spare ammo. 17 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster. My "heavy carry" includes the above, and a Ruger EC9s in 9mm with two magazines of spare ammo. 25 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster. It is a good idea to carry a second gun in case the first one gets damaged.
Very Good video! Wonderfully done and informative. For your windy day shots try putting a sock or similar piece of fabric over your camera's mic (that's where the got Windsock from). If it's an external one, vs the little inlet kind on most small cameras, you can "sacrifice" a Nerf ball or small piece of foam to make a windsock..But, Very Good video!
I smiled a little when you looked both directions behind you after pressing off a couple rounds. Took me back to my State requals. If we didn't do that it was a fail.
Has anyone done a study on average number of shots fired in civilian self-defense encounters? I mean, if you are neither law-enforcement NOR a criminal, just a regular person. Maybe you addressed that in a video and I missed it. I bet the vast, vast majority of the time it's two or three shots tops, like 99.9%, and that high-volume shootouts where over 10 rounds are fired almost never happens (again, if you're not a cop or a gangsta).
Rick Schubert However, if you are a store clerk and you get in a gun fight, (as seen on CZcams) there seems to be some need to avoid using any marksmanship at all.. "Sights? Nope don't need em!" Just hang the pistol over the top of the counter, keep your head low, eyes closed and yank the trigger until all the ammo is gone.. :) You're right.. If you are a regular guy walking down your driveway, and a thug with a knife attacks you, normally, 1 to 3 shots with a .38 special into his center of mass will work fine, 98.6 times out of 100. People who chose weapons for LEOs, like the whole idea of 100 times out of 100. 'Hey, let's put some lasers on that'.. The reason most people want 17 rounds of 10mm, is the fear of getting into a real firefight with multiple attackers. Like when the border patrolman walks around a bush and runs smack into a dozen drug cartel members.. If I were carrying around my area, 5 or 6 rounds would do it. I do like the idea of 100% reliability too. What scares me about carrying a semi-auto is, I might only get one shot.. If the pistol misfeeds, and my first shot was sloppy.. Dang! I just made some crazy want to kill me really fast.. That's when that 17 rnd mag comes in handy.. It makes your half polymer pistol heavy enough to be used as a bludgeon of mass destruction .. ;)
Rick Schubert That's a good question. I also think it's probably only like two or three rounds, max. Civilians typically don't get into bonafide gun battles the way police sometimes do. Although it certainly could happen, it probably would never happen and I tend to think the most a civilian would ever have to fire is maybe two to three rounds. That's why I've never worried about carrying a mere 6-shot revolver as my concealed-carry handgun because the chance of actually firing all six rounds is remote (at best). It just doesn't happen in the real world.
WelshWidgetMan2O1O CCW is legal with no restrictions other than licence in my country but we have only 10 mio population and very low crime rate, so I can keep track of self defense shootings and trust me, situations where 5 rounds aint gonna cut it are more widespread than you think, like 1 in 5 situations, half a year ago a man failed to end his situation with 5 shot snubby, his brother caught up on him and ended it, otherwise - he might have ended pretty beat up - at the very least. Though I want to carry a snubby because I want plastic rounds (court system issue)
+Rick Schubert You are quite right. The FBI stats say average is 2 to 3 shots. The chances of a civilian getting into a raging gun battle are less than the chances of getting hit by lightning.
+ardvarkkkkk1 Cops end up shooting a LOT of rounds at perps--just to make sure. There is no reason why a "civilian" wouldn't need to shoot many rounds as well, especially since cops should be better shooters.
I pocket carry an old Gen 2 Kel Tec P32 and IWB carry a S&W 642 -2. I have carried a Gen 2 DB9 subcompact 9mm and a Gen1 AMT Backup 380, but the 32acp and 38spl go everywhere in the South Georgia swamp heat.
Great Video lots of useful info anyone wanting helpful info on conceal carry should watch the video. I doubt this gentleman desired to present a complete exhaustive video on these two guns AND conceal carry but he did mention some key issues which I think for some may need some additional info so here goes: Regarding the DeSantis Holster they way it is made - see how wide it is this is great for carry "IN THE BACK POCKET of say a pair of Jeans" also carrying it in the back pocket allows the person carrying the gun to draw it out with a much more minimal noticeable weapon draw as compared to if the person carrying the gun draws it from the front pocket - though some may cringe of carrying a gun in the back pocket for gun retention purposes etc. More in the DeSantis buy about 10 of them because using them everyday the sticky grip area wears down and soon the entire gun and holster comes out when you draw it - notice to in the video he grabbed his jacket when he drew out. A better holster choice for the back pocket may be one with a click etc. Regarding drawing out the weapon - don't forget to get a quick shot off and especially if the person is right in your face and you know you won't miss DO NOT draw out the gun and fully extend your arm and do the two grip "Weaver Grip" - the Weaver grip has its uses and is great and most often you should use this method especially for accuracy but also know that if a person is close to you and you need to get a shot off real quick just get the gun out say you are drawing it from your front pocket, hip,or backpocket and just put the gun next to your own hip and point muzzle at the target and fire - this is a techique this guy I am sure knows about but didn't feel like covering it - this may be called the Tactical Quick Draw. Regarding reloading a revolver - It may be best to not switch hands like as shown in the video AND keep the barrel pointed straight up so gravity assists as best it can. So whilst shooting the gun with the Right hands then operated the cylinder release and grab the gun with the LEFT hand release the right hand from the gun and then press down on the cylinder ejector with the right hand as the gun is firmly held with the left hand with barrel up and then when spent cartridges fall out with right hand acquire the speed loader and reload the gun using the right hand and then in one motion close the cylinder with left hand as you retain grip with right hand and continue then using the weapon - Some people may cringe at NOT maintaining grip of the firearm with the right hand but most people who are right handed are not that good with their left hand - ESPECIALLY in a self defense situation to effectively use there left hand to knock out the spent rounds, obtain the speed loader and then reload the weapon. Regarding NOT having a semi auto loaded - I think with todays internal safeties .... a blow to the hammer or end of the gun does not cause the gun to go off .... one should always have a semi loaded with one up the snout unless they are absolutely convinced that in a stressful use of force conceal carry your about to be shot at situation you will flawlessly be able to get a round chambered in a semi auto - OH never ever ride the slide up on a semi auto like they do in the movies you are asking for a jam Always put the slide all the way back and let it go. With a revolver if it sticks and you cannot pull on the trigger hard enough to get the cylinder to move again then if your revolver has a hammer on it them pull back on the hammer to assist the cylinder to go around to a live round Even more can be said but there are enough words here already - This is a good video the guy just didn't want to get into all these other aspects.
For a non-gun-guy like me, non military, non paramilitary, non law enforcement guy, just a regular civilian interested in self defense, 99% of handling any situation I'd find myself in is analyzing the situation instantaneously, making the proper decision, and accurately getting off the first 2 rounds. That's what I worry about and prepare for. That's why I carry a revolver. Theoretically, I could get in an action movie gunfight where I need 17 rounds. Theoretically, I could also get trapped in a building in an earthquake, but I don't carry a crowbar with me everywhere. There is a limit to what you can prepare for. This obviously doesn't apply to you if you're in the army or a cop or whatever.
Rick Schubert Thanks for commenting. I tell folks select a platform and train with it. Revolver or semi, both will do the job for personal protection and self defense.
rwhb1188 In my career, I used a 5 shot .38 Spl, S&W Model 60 in a shoot out with an armed robber. I was working as a decoy at the time, the shooting occurred toe to toe and all five rounds were contact wounds. All five were to the upper chest ares on the suspects left side. I couldn't get a round up under his chin for a head shot as he had my wrist as I also had his with his gun. We went to the ground and rolled around for an eternity until back up detectives got to me. The suspect died on his way to the hospital. Don't expect 5, .38 shots to do the job! My backup is a Kahr PM 9, 7 shots and an extra mag in my pocket.
A sheriff I used to know once emptied both his 1911 and a .32 auto in a suspect and he didn't go down until one of his deputies got a bead on him with a shotgun. The old saying "handguns suck" has some validity. It is amazing how much damage the human body can sustain and still function, and yet a .22 short in the wrong place could be the end.
I want a S&W .38 Special revolver. A) Because I trust revolvers more than semi-autos for ccw, and B) if it is ever seized for investigation, it's cheap! And easily replaceable.
Dan, I have shot the LCR and think it is okay. The ability to replace the sights would not be a selling point to me. It is Certainly accurate and fired every type of ammo I used. The smith has a better trigger (IMO) and I feel it's a bit better for concealment. All that being said the Ruger would be a gun to bet your life on. I just prefer the S&Ws better.
I used to be a big auto loader fan, and I thought revolvers were out of date/low capacity/hard to reload piles of junk, not fit for modern defense. But then i purchased a S&W 638 and i fell in love, the timing, the simplicity, the up most in reliably, and the grip has a very low profile if wearing it IWB, that it made it easier to conceal than any other auto loader i own, so now I'm head over heels. I cant make up my mind.
Good vid Mr. W...my Bodyguard is much less problematic in a quick deployment scenario (Although my M&P 9C is very reliable) thus I tend to carry it more often Hiking/camping ...and working around my shop...
I have nothing against revolvers for carry, that said though there is a very valid set if reasons why we generally moved away from revolvers and on to semi autos. One revolvers people seem to think are just boringly reliable. However they are not. After heavy fire and extended use you can run into timing issues. I have also heard of floating primers with revolvers. Now having said that, semi autos TEND to be more reliable.. any gun will eventually malfunction with enough training though and even with a semi auto you must routinely maintain and inspect it. All that said for edc i want a semi auto, easier to carry spare ammo and make reloads faster. Revolvers to me are best suited for hiking, possibly bedside guns, and back up guns. Anyway point being training is fundamental no matter what. Good video.
I carry my SP101 in .357 Magnum. It's also my home defense firearm. I don't trust cheap plastic pistols, weak pistol ammunition, fail to feed issues, stove pipes, magazines, safeties, jams, etc. In one's civilian lifetime, you may only have once chance and one shot to save your life. I don't trust mine to a pistol. I'll take a Ruger, Colt or S&W in .357 Magnum every single time. Heavy caliber revolvers are so much more fun that tinker toy pistols on range day, too.
TOBORE8THMAN Thanks for your perspective. The SP101 is a solid performer. I've owned and occasionally carried the SP101 for 15 years. At the same time, I've had no issues with quality polymer pistols (Glocks, M&Ps, XD series to name a few). I've fired well over 100,000 rounds on Glocks and over 50,000 on M&Ps and they've both been reliable. I would also note that most of the top instructors and many former Tier 1 operators (from DevGru, CAG Delta ect) use polymer framed firearms. So, rather than being brand or caliber specific I suggest that the individual select and train on the platform that is reliable and allows hits on target. It sounds like the SP101 is the one that works for you...
TOBORE8THMAN i would say more than this but thankfully guns and gear was kind enough to do so for me and in a polite manner. my only statement will be glad your sp101 works, as i said i have nothing against revolvers just not my choice as edc weapon.
If I’m going somewhere far, away from home for awhile, I take the semi auto especially for long car rides, and because you might not be near your spare supplies, so it’s good to have the semi auto capacity benefit because you can take as much as you feel like you need to. But I will add that even a revolver with just a mere 5 rounds in it is better than the 45 you’ll leave at home. And a revolver IMO is great for going out your house for quick stuff like laundry grocery or bank stops. They make compact 22, 380, and 9s that are easier to carry so revolvers aren’t your only options, they’re great to carry too. Most of them tend to be heavier and bulkier so they weigh more than your standard polymer frame.
Sir, thank you so much for watching and commenting. You raise many great points that I agree with. I hope you will subscribe and share the channel with friends and family. Stay safe.
I believe the reality is newbies will get the Glock (or whatever), discover it’s heavy & bulky and eventually leave it in the car (a BIG no-no) or at home. The gun most of us have w/us, me included, as an EDC is a small J Frame or subcompact .380 b/c they’re easy to slip in a pocket as you go about your daily routine. That said these tiny guns require regular range time to maintain combat proficiency. I know b/c in 1974 I had to use my department issued Colt Detective Special, about the same size as a S&W J Frame, in a gunfight w/three armed robbery suspects. Luck was on my side that night b/c, along w/another officer, we put the suspects down and only suffered one officer being shot, who later returned to full duty. Good informative video by the way.
Many thanks for watching and commenting. I’ve carried a Glock 19 and now I’m caring a Glock 48 which is a slim frame version. I have no problem curing either. I often carry a 380 in a pocket holster. It’s really dependent on what I’m wearing and the conditions. I couldn’t agree with you more that small Handguns require much more training. Whatever tool is chosen the operator must get training, practice and develop a high level of proficiency if they expect to be able to perform in a fight. Thanks again for watching and coming. I hope you will subscribe to the channel.
I prefer carrying a revolver. I have a Smith and Wesson model 442 .38 special. Shoots +P rounds. Doesn't have the capacity of a semi auto but I like how easily conceals in my pocket in a pocket holster. I can walk around without a shirt on in the summer and you'd never know I had a gun on me. Takes up about as much space as a cell phone. Also it's easy to shoot. It's double action so you just draw and shoot. Goes bang every time.
James Thompson my fav option too. these modern high cap plastic toys are ugly uave no heart or guts to them. also I like the contour of my 642 airweight and I love the .357 variations. most versatile set of handgun cartridges ever (without potential over penetration like a 44spl/mag or 45/454 cas). too many fools think they need 15 round mags carrying one in the gun and 4 more on the belt. thinking they'll be attacked by zombies terrorists or mafia by the hundreds. sorry boondock saints was a movie 1 guy isn't gonna go up against 200 and win. law enforcement stats say avg gun fight distance ft. avg amount of rounds fired 1 to 3 per person. So why anyone feels they are superman and they are super special is beyond me.
Is there swomething wrong with my L frame snub nose S&W .357 Magnum,
because when I shoot it, it goes bahdah Bing bahdah bang bahdah boom ...z
@@tonytafoya6217 Yes it sounds Damaged..should Sound More like KaaBooomm!! or even POOOWW!!
People can argue pro and con until the cows come home. It is simply a matter of personal choice. I carry a S&W 642 air weight in my pocket and when I can conceal it, I also strap a S&W SD9 VE on my belt.
@@georgemoomaw9437 You're running my setup, a S&W 642 aluminum in 38 special except I have the snappier SD40VE
People can say what they want about the ol' .38 Special cartridge but for many years that was my go-to cartridge for pretty much everything in terms of both my service revolver and for concealed carry. Many years ago I worked as a security officer in south Florida and the State of Florida mandated that all armed security officers had to carry a 4-inch .38 Special revolver. Sadly, you couldn't use a .357 Magnum loaded with .38 Special cartridges. It absolutely HAD to be a .38 Special revolver. No more, no less. Most armed security officers opted to carry a blued or nickel S&W model 10 or the stainless steel model 64 and because of this I got to know the .38 cartridge VERY well over the ten years I was a "rent-a-cop". Although we only had to qualify once a year, I was on the range at least once per month because I enjoyed shooting so much, and I really loved the .38 Special cartridge and it served me well over the years. I've been out of the business for many years now but today I understand things are different and Florida later changed what they allow guards to carry as far as types of handguns and caliber(s). Although I don't get to the range like I once did, I still enjoy shooting when I can but as a mere private citizen still I enjoy shooting .38 Special's through my old 4" S&W model 586 and it's a round I still love to fire when I get the chance. Some may scoff at the .38 for defense purposes but as someone who carried one "on the job" for ten years I can attest the .38 Special is still a viable cartridge for defense purposes because it's available in such a wide variety of bullet types and rated strengths. I'm equally fond of the 9mm, and just like the .38 Special, it too is available in a wide variety of bullet type and strength levels up through +P+ ratings, making it a very versatile cartridge still today :)
WelshWidgetMan2O1O 38 special been dropping bad guys since the cowboy days.
I carry both .38 Special, & 9mm. It just depends on which one I want to have for the day.
A .38 special loaded with Hornady Critical Defense is nice.
My CCW is a Canik TP9SF 9mm with a capacity of 18+1. I always carry a BUG as well, usually my S&W 638-3 .38 spl. It’s a 5 round snub nose revolver I keep loaded with Hornady +p Critical Defense rounds. At home, I keep my little Ruger LCP II .22LR semi auto pistol with me at all times. Lots of coyotes snd snakes and the like.
Funny to listen to all the "experts" fire power and multiple clips....In the real world If you need a gun it will be close and over before you know what happend..The best gun is the one you feel comfotable with and you will carry....doesn't matter how powerful or how many rounds, if you don't have it when you need it..And pray you will never need it..
Yes but capacity is an important thing, you’re not going to go with 1 bullet.
@@gamestycon2239 capacity is great if you cant shoot. 7 yards is combat range for personal protection.if you cant hit your intended target in this range, spend the very least amount of time in public as you can. If you dont put yourself in an an uncomfortable situation, then you wont have to worry much.
Don't know your experience, but FYI the 7 yard distance was a DRILL by a Utah Police Academy Instructor. If you're not familiar it, it's called the Tueller Drill. It's not a law, not policy, or documented combat range for personal protection. Some are less & some are more. Combat accuracy is evaluated at 25 yards.
www.bing.com/search?q=tueller+drill&PC=U316&FORM=CHROMN
Agreed but rounds matter I’d rather have a 15 round glock than a 5 round 38.
MrTelecaster420 Most folks cant shoot that's the sad reality.
Great snubbie shooting. I just got one and have been pulling DA. It really does take quite a while to start acquiring the sights efficiently but damn these snubbies are fun. I had my 45 with me and took about 10 shots and put it away and went at it for about 60 shots with the snub. I may not be as good but for some reason the fun factor is really there. Plus it is so much easier to pocket carry it with some hollowpoints than my semis in a holster, atleast in the hot weather. good vid and tips. thx much.
My pleasure, thanks for watching. You might be interested in the recent reviews I've done on the compact 9mms. Especially the MP Shield. Please check out some of the other videos, let us know what you think and feel free to share with your friends. Thanks!
Thanks for your perspective. Felt recoil is subjective and for me the kel-tec had more recoil... so much that I sold it after only 100 rounds. For me the M&P Shield has been an excellent alternative. Plus with 7+1 and an 8 round magazine it's a good combination of small size and capacity. That being said, whatever works for you the operator, and allows quick hits on target matters more than a specific caliber or brand. Thanks again for commenting!
Very thorough and practical guide to strengths and weaknesses of small handguns. Great video. Thanks.
Bob, I agree the slim size and the very good trigger make the Kahr one of my favorite carry guns. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the mature perspective. Its nice to hear a well grounded. Perspective. I will for other vids.
Your videos are very professional and always well done. Thanks
Nicely done!
You provided a clean objective analysis of the simplicity of the revolver versus the semi-auto pistol's ease of reloading. You also provided the good point that "immediate action" on a revolver is nothing more than pulling the trigger again, and that in the case of a semi-auto pistol the remedy can be more involved.
+Bob Kenney Thanks for watching and commenting.
.357 is the magic bullet.
At 4:05 that's a good point, and I agree. If you look around CZcams for videos of cops or soldiers shooting it out, it's sustained gunfire because the bad guy is trying to kill the cop or soldier. Now look at videos of civilians in a gunfight. Very few bullets are exchanged, and the bad guy generally runs away. Why? Because all he's looking for is a victim, not a fight. I respect the tactical shooters community because that kind of intense focused training will definitely save their life in any possible scenario, but the reality is that a revolver--even with its limited ammo capacity--is more than capable of defending a civilian's life. That's not classroom scare tactics, that's not keyboard warrior stuff. That's a verifiable fact of a civilian gunfight that anybody can see for themselves right here on CZcams. Personally I carry a semi-auto, but if I were to carry a revolver I wouldn't consider myself under-armed.
We agree. Revolvers are solid self defense tools and are will worth serious consideration for EDC. Thanks for commenting
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC i have a colt anaconda .44MG and a ruger alaskan super red hawk .454 casull. In my opinion, for self defense ( in case of rapid fire), is too large caliber because the recoil is very strong.
Very good review. Thanks for sharing.Two great options. I've had a PM 9 for nearly 20 years and it's been stellar! Accurate, reliable, light and very easy to conceal! I also have a S&W 360 PD and it's also a great choice. The S&W weighs 4-5 ounces less than the Kahr PM9. Now I carry a Hk P2000sk LEM as my primary piece and the PM 9 or S&W 360 PD as a back up.
20 years with same gun wow 🤩! Enjoy
Some of the best practical advice presented here. I have seen this video years ago and applies now thinking of different carry options for wallet carry.
Thank you sir.
Revolvers are the way to go for self-defense, Im always nervous of clip fed pistols because of the fact of the safety and then if the clip feeds correctly etc. as where a Revolver human error is basically eliminated and it only comes down to aim.
EC Reviews well they are magazines and not clips that go into a handgun... but, the magazines aren't as much of an issue as you would think
Randy D could be if you don't take care of your guns...
Well yeah I don't trust my c96 or steyr hahn
Excellent Video!! Very comprehensive outlay of information. I would support the opinion that for most inexperienced shooters, the revolver would generally be the better choice of handgun. Less complex and fewer things can go wrong -- when compared to a semi-automatic.
Glock 34, approx. 3,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort; Glock 19, approx. 9,000 rounds, 2 limp-wristed stovepipes (my bad), 0 other failures; Walther PPK, approx. 2,500 rounds, 0 failures of any sort;S&W Model 36, approx. thousands and thousands of rounds over 25 years, 0 failures.Buy quality firearms to begin with, maintain them properly, practice regularly, 0 failures.
+bill h Right on! So very true...
+bill You cant extrapolate your personal experience to actual historical data.
I absolutely can do that. My personal experience over many years is my data. It is not anecdotal to me. My firearm is different than another's because it is mine, I use it, I maintain it. I may have left out that I use only brand ammo or my own reloads in my original post but the numbers are the same, 0 ftf's, 0 fte's. Surely there are problems with some firearms even of the same brands as I have posted but they can most often be repaired and maintained thereafter. What actual historical data are you referring too?
+Robert Hafetz Robert and Bill, I've had great success with my Glock pistols. My Gen 2 G19 has over 50,000 founds through it. My Gen 17 has 18,000 rounds. My G 34 12,000+ My G26 Gen 3 has over 10,000 rounds through it My S&W M&P Pistol have similar round counts. The bottom line, all of my polymer framed striker fired guns have been 100% reliable provided I was using quality ammo, good mags and proper maintenance. As an instructor , I see lots of guns and in our classes we shoot as much as 700 rounds a day in an advanced class. I can say the striker fired guns by the top manufactures (Glock, S&W, XDMs, Walthers and HKs) have been extremely reliable. Bottom line, if the handgun is well maintained, and used with quality ammo and Mags. They are capable of extreme long term performance.
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC Couldn't agree more. I've been shooting since the late 50's, for fun mostly and competitively. I think I've worn-out a couple revolvers ( a Herters .22 & an old Model 10) over that time, they still function well though not as accurately nor as tightly. Still, I could use them if needed...I consider that long term performance no matter what other data might say.
well done, we are looking forward each time you post a review.
Cheers from the Netherlands.
Great video that's realistic and unbiased. So many people rule out revolvers but they have advantages for certain people, as do semi-autos for others. Thanks!
Excellent and very professional video and discussion. This one of the best discussions I have listen to and seen without being "good old boy" sounding. Great Job in my humble opinion!
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im getting the revolver soon! im so stoked! first gun. been watching videos on it for hours
So what did you get?
A small 5 shot taurus revolver
***** Just picked up 38 taurus myself.Happy shooting my friend and grats on your first firearm.
thanks! I like it but i want the baby Desert Eagle 3.. its like my dream gun.. I dont like only having 5 shoots but 16 sounds great
***** Will this be your carry gun?Or home gun?
Great idea, I will buy a few and see how they do. Thanks for the suggestion!
Great video thank you 🙏🏻 Owning just about every style hand gun and caliper under the sun - love them all. The 1 in a million chance no doubt one of my revolvers would save the day (357 carry) and in the home my trusty Chiappa 60ds 👍 No doubt either would ever be used to point at anyone.
There is less of a chance to have a loading jam or a failed ejection of a shell with a revolver.
Rafael Madrigal yeah but they come with a whole different set of problems
Can you name any? Im serious cause Im looking to get one and I dont know what to watch out for.
Tony Home just get really good on your reloads, that’s where the revo can fail on you. I’ve had shells that got stuck under the extractor star, which is the revolver’s version of the stove pipe jam. It’s also difficult to release that stuck shell, but that has happened when I’m on the range using cheap metal cases ammo and haven’t brushed or cleaned the cylinders in between firing segments.
Sure revolvers have their issues, however all in all are more forgiving than automatics in regards to ammo and reliability.
I like revolvers but I have jammed them before as well ( powder and pocket lint under the Star extractor) nearly impossible to clear without tools. Modern auto loaders from quality manufacturers have fewer moving parts, easier to reload and generally more powerful with less recoil. When was the last time you saw the police or military with a revolver? I do recommended using a quality holster with autos though, less of a issue for revolvers.
your totally right. too many people get caught up in caliber or capacity wars forgetting that reliability and shots on target are what count when your life is on the line. Hard to go wrong with either of the sidearms in your review!
I love revolvers, and carry my 442 often, but I also carry my glock 36...they both are easy to conceal and I can shoot both of them accurately.
Very good video. I personally prefer small revolvers for their reliability. I currently carry a S&W 642PC which I bought for the extra trigger work. It is very smooth and is also cut for moon clips which gets around the speed loader issue a bit. To me, the PC version was worth the extra $45 for those features.
Semi or revolver is simply a personal preference. Both will do the job.
I have a glock 26 and a Taurus model 405 chambered in .40 and do love the Taurus for shooting, with a 2 inch snubby barrel. The Taurus is awesome very accurate to 80 yards. I have concealed both. Carry what works best for you.
Brian C that’s awesome. I have a Taurus 856 and love it
thank you for sharing your view on both firearms.
Good job on the video your CZcams channel is very much appreciated
An excellent choice...the LCRs and well made and a solid performer for a smaller carry revolver. Thanks for your comment.
Good video!
I wish people would put more emphasis on carrying moon clips instead of speed loaders, as they are just as easy to load with and less likely to fall apart in the pocket.
Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching and commenting
Good video. I own a Smith and Wesson 642 as well as a 9mm shield. Both guns are reliable, and conceal well. Whether an airlite revolver, or a compact 9, range time is an absolute necessity. Neither the 9mm or the 38 special have that "punishing effect" like say, a 500 magnum, but when fired from smaller frame guns, they take a bit of getting used to. If I gave a new shooter some 38 rounds to shoot out my 686, they'd probably have no recoil issues whatsoever. That gun just eats up the recoil when chambered with 38 rounds. Give that shooter an airlite revolver with the same 38 rounds, and it may be quite a different story as far as recoil. Same with the compact 9. Full size pistols are quite a bit easier to manage than their compact brethren. Took me a few magazines to get used to the snappiness of the shield, as I was used to shooting the full size model. Regardless of what you carry, there's no substitute for time at the range...
AngelsLastVengeance I couldn't agree more. Too many people select and carry small, light weight handguns. However they do not practice with them enough to manage the recoil and deliver combat effective hits. Every gun is a compromise in some way, shape or form. Full size guns are easier to shoot, smaller guns make concealed carry easier. Thanks for commenting!
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Hi, I don't know how long comments about specific videos are monitored, but I wanted to pass along a couple of comments.
I just viewed this video today. From the clear and easily understood explanations of using the revolver and the pistol I would guess that you've got a background in teaching. You made this topic interesting and informative. I go back and forth between a revolver (S&W 640 or S&W 686-6+ 3") and a pistol (Glock 26 or 43). I always carry two speed loaders with the revolvers and at least one spare magazine with the pistols. Habit from being in law enforcement (now retired) of always carrying extra ammunition.
Thanks again,
Frank Harrah
+Frank Harrah Thanks for the kind words. Yes I have a back ground in instruction, facilitation and experiential learning. This was one of the earlier vids I did in 2012. I think the content we're producing now is a bit better.
Thanks for commenting and watching! Regards, SW
Good video, good information to consider, thanks. For now its J Frame revolvers for my EDC.
Excellent video. You made a lot of good points.
+crazyfvck Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great video. Very informative and well put together. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Good choice... Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great Video..Very informative..Well done.
I own a Kahr PM9. But I recently purchased the Taurus PT111 Millennium G2 over the Shield. It felt better and I have more mag capacity. It is now my EDC gun.I know many people knock Taurus but this gun is a big change in thier handguns. BTW. Great video.
Sir, I owned the PM9 for two years and shot several thousand rounds throught it. I didn't use the slide relase as it was almost impossible to actuate. I've always used the "sling shot" method to chamber a round when i cant get the slide release. See my other vids. I ended up selling the Kahr and going to the M&P Shield which felt better in my hand and has a trigger (with a distinct) reset. Kahr is a good gun... on issue are the mags which can cause malfunctions.
Very informative video..Aside from Police job, have gun store past 33 years. Kahr arms is the number 1 gun I send back for factory service. Some years ago. NYPD revoked the K9 as an authorized off duty gun. Also the NYS Att. Gen. office just added the Ruger LCP as authorized off duty as the PM9 was not doing well on requals, including two that were sent back and I received new replacement pistols to transfer to two guys, as the guns were unfixable. I personally carry the LC9s for my front pocket w a 19 or 17 tucked in pants. I am not a kahr hater, when they came out with the P9 early in my career I thought that was a great gun, but me and several other cops experienced jams...just my experience selling and servicing them...My bottom line, carry 2 guns all the time and at least 1 reload for each. Desantis just came out with their version of the Bianchi speed strips, for those of you who remember them, a lot easier than the speed loaders. P.S. Tuarus is the second handgun I send back for factory service...
I agree and I too prefer a semi auto. Shoot it better and it works for me. However, too many folks don't train enough to run a semi effectively... especially with malfucntion. The revolver can be a good alternative and should be considered as an option. Thanks for watching...
really well done video clear and precise
+T Thoy Thanks for watching and commenting.
+Guns, Gear & On Target Training, LLC awesome video my dude...my apt was recently robbed and I actually had to hide for my life...I'm getting my first handgun and I think I might go with the .38..thanks to u
good video, good delivery, good explanations 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Right! The new york reload as they say. Thanks again for watching.
I agree with you there. I too shoot the MP and Kahr weekly. I have over 20,000 now thru the MP Pro and 10K thru the Standard MP. I also carry the PM9 more than any other gun I've owned. The main reaosn for the video topic was to allow folks to consider the pros and cons of semiautos and revolvers. I encourage folks to carry the gun they practice with (can hit with) and can run under stress. The two pistols you mentioned are the two I use most... Great minds think alike!
I have been carrying a revolver since 1981 (except in the army where I carried a 45). Over the years, I have seen more and more people act like they are going to war. If it continues like this, shortly you will see guys carrying two 45s, 15 extra mags for each, a hand grenade in each pocket and drive to work in an M1 tank.
Thank you sir, I hope you watch some of the other vids on the channel and share the channel with friends.
great insightful meat and potatoes vid Wishse...i truly appreciate info man ...along with the comparison :)
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This was an excellent video.
I carry a S&W model 36 and my brother carries a Kahr Pm9. I think we could agrue all day about what is best. For instance if you are wounded in any arm or hand you are not going to be able to rack the slide on the Pm9. Conversly reloading a wheel gun under pressure is not easy no matter what method you employ. Not to bore you with other examples but my brother points out he has more fire power from the git go making a reload less likely. I pointed out that I train atleast three times a week, so now he joined a club that has IDPA. I had my butt saved twice as an armed guard just presenting the firearm, I never had to pull the trigger and I hope that for everyone who carries. Thanks for listening. Keep the videos coming.
No bullshit, to the point. Great video.
I occasionally carry both, especially in winter when people have more clothing on. A Kahr MK9, which is the same size as the PM9 only in full stainless, and my grandfathers police service revolver, a 50's era Colt Detectives Special snub nose.
Sounds like a good set up! Thanks for watching.
very nice video I for about 3 yrs carried a Ruger GP100 3 inch and I use hip holster similar to what cops wear I personally like having snap because I have on 2 occasion not snapped it because in hurry and as I got out of vehicle gun was in seat. I was revolver man all the way another reason I went with Ruger was for when reloading I liked the button you pushed in to open cylinder just thought it was faster and with 3 years of going to range I always carry 2 speed loaders for quicker loading and I do have arthritis in hands and actually loading each bullet into cylinder wasn't that easy but I got fo were I can reload as my revolver as fast as my friends could their semi's I always feared jams & decided to purchase my 1st non revolver and got a 1911 45 & still very new to it actually just took it to the range for the 1st time last weekend. I've never used revolver like this all mine have been double actions and wjen at range for better accuracy pull the hammer back but I know if it ever was time I needed it for defense that I would more than likely have to go just pulling trigger which revolver people knows is harder to pull and my accuracy wasn't as good. still been practicing alot for over 3 years and thought I had it pretty good groupings and figured it's 1st time with my 1911 and figured it would take time to get used to and I was way wrong every clip I shot was tight grouping. I have smaller hands so I had to go with one with single stack rounds so I have 7 rounds with 45 to 6 with my revolver. I'm now stuck trying to figure out which I should use for my EDC I'm sticking with my Ruger for at least a little longer and have more range time getting used to unholstering and reloading. I of course still have to buy some things I would like to also carry 2 spare clips like I do 2 speed loaders. my concern is the size difference in clips over speed loaders. so I will tick with hip holster but for spare clips what is best way to carry them since they are much larger? Do they make some form of things to put on belt like pocket knives cry cases? I imagine that would be similar in size. I'm not saying I'm buying pocket knife things to carry clips I'm just using for size comparison. also what brands do people think are best. the Speed loaders for revolvers he said is same I carry and are superb. I like them because they are so small and take up little space. If anyone could give me any info on what they may use and if they think I should stick to revolver or is switching something they would also do? sorry I'm new to the pistols or semi whatever the correct term for them is. I've had 3 357's, 1 38 spec. & 1 44 magnum which was my biggest regret buying. it is wonderful gun but if you have arthritis in hands don't buy one even with the hogue Grips it's still killer on the hands.
Excellent video! Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us :)
Great video..very easy to understand ..anoter subscriber...congrats
For those talking about the j frame. yes it is horrible for target practice with factory grips because it literally tore open my hand after an hour. I purchased hougue grips and they help out a lot with that issue and only cost me $25. I use my revolver for ccw it was the first gun that fit and felt good in my hand and I made my decision based on that. It is not the easiest to aim so definitely work on target practice.
The thing about ammunition capacity is that more is better. While there are cases where gunfights can drag and more than 10 shots are needed, your typical defensive firearm use will last less than 3 seconds, and when shots are fired, the average number of shots is 6. The key here is 'average' if you can get a compact gun with 12 rounds of 9mm or .40 S&W, you should be fine. .38 spl with proper loads can be fairly good, too, but with only 5 rounds that would be of concern. I know that .357 magnum is more powerful, but out of a 2 inch barrel it's far less impressive.
Still, the S&W 642 and other revolvers of the kind, I find the lack of any sharp edges just perfect for deep concealment. They have nothing that any clothing can snag onto.
I carry that 642 air weight and the Glock 26 whenever I leave the house , the 642 I carry in a Remora pocket holster and the Glock in a IWB kydex holster . I keep one one me and the other between my seat and e-brake as it is easier to get to in a car jack situation while seat belted in. I always carry Sig V Crown defense ammo in all my CCW guns as the ballistics are fantastic
Thank you for an informative video!
great video. i'm not sure if u stated this or not, but another advantage to a revolver is that it can be fired from a jacket pocket without any worry of a slide binding up. I have a 642, awesome gun.
Training is critical! Thanks for watching...
Carry both!
My "standard carry" is a S&W Model 637 in 38+p with 12 rounds of spare ammo. 17 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster.
My "heavy carry" includes the above, and a Ruger EC9s in 9mm with two magazines of spare ammo. 25 rounds in all. Inside the belt holster.
It is a good idea to carry a second gun in case the first one gets damaged.
Good option!
this was an excellent video
Thank you.
you are a very good teacher!
Thanks for watching. I hope you'll check out some of the recent vids we've done of dry practice, shooting on the move and front sight focus.
both of these guns are what I use as my edc, kahr on the hip and smith in the pocket
Very Good video! Wonderfully done and informative. For your windy day shots try putting a sock or similar piece of fabric over your camera's mic (that's where the got Windsock from). If it's an external one, vs the little inlet kind on most small cameras, you can "sacrifice" a Nerf ball or small piece of foam to make a windsock..But, Very Good video!
I smiled a little when you looked both directions behind you after pressing off a couple rounds. Took me back to my State requals. If we didn't do that it was a fail.
Thanks for watching and commenting
Has anyone done a study on average number of shots fired in civilian self-defense encounters? I mean, if you are neither law-enforcement NOR a criminal, just a regular person. Maybe you addressed that in a video and I missed it. I bet the vast, vast majority of the time it's two or three shots tops, like 99.9%, and that high-volume shootouts where over 10 rounds are fired almost never happens (again, if you're not a cop or a gangsta).
Rick Schubert However, if you are a store clerk and you get in a gun fight, (as seen on CZcams) there seems to be some need to avoid using any marksmanship at all.. "Sights? Nope don't need em!" Just hang the pistol over the top of the counter, keep your head low, eyes closed and yank the trigger until all the ammo is gone.. :)
You're right.. If you are a regular guy walking down your driveway, and a thug with a knife attacks you, normally, 1 to 3 shots with a .38 special into his center of mass will work fine, 98.6 times out of 100.
People who chose weapons for LEOs, like the whole idea of 100 times out of 100. 'Hey, let's put some lasers on that'..
The reason most people want 17 rounds of 10mm, is the fear of getting into a real firefight with multiple attackers.
Like when the border patrolman walks around a bush and runs smack into a dozen drug cartel members..
If I were carrying around my area, 5 or 6 rounds would do it. I do like the idea of 100% reliability too.
What scares me about carrying a semi-auto is, I might only get one shot..
If the pistol misfeeds, and my first shot was sloppy.. Dang! I just made some crazy want to kill me really fast..
That's when that 17 rnd mag comes in handy.. It makes your half polymer pistol heavy enough to be used as a bludgeon of mass destruction .. ;)
Rick Schubert That's a good question. I also think it's probably only like two or three rounds, max. Civilians typically don't get into bonafide gun battles the way police sometimes do. Although it certainly could happen, it probably would never happen and I tend to think the most a civilian would ever have to fire is maybe two to three rounds. That's why I've never worried about carrying a mere 6-shot revolver as my concealed-carry handgun because the chance of actually firing all six rounds is remote (at best). It just doesn't happen in the real world.
WelshWidgetMan2O1O CCW is legal with no restrictions other than licence in my country but we have only 10 mio population and very low crime rate, so I can keep track of self defense shootings and trust me, situations where 5 rounds aint gonna cut it are more widespread than you think, like 1 in 5 situations, half a year ago a man failed to end his situation with 5 shot snubby, his brother caught up on him and ended it, otherwise - he might have ended pretty beat up - at the very least. Though I want to carry a snubby because I want plastic rounds (court system issue)
+Rick Schubert
You are quite right. The FBI stats say average is 2 to 3 shots. The chances of a civilian getting into a raging gun battle are less than the chances of getting hit by lightning.
+ardvarkkkkk1 Cops end up shooting a LOT of rounds at perps--just to make sure. There is no reason why a "civilian" wouldn't need to shoot many rounds as well, especially since cops should be better shooters.
I pocket carry an old Gen 2 Kel Tec P32 and IWB carry a S&W 642 -2. I have carried a Gen 2 DB9 subcompact 9mm and a Gen1 AMT Backup 380, but the 32acp and 38spl go everywhere in the South Georgia swamp heat.
Great video former Marine here. Well done...
Great Video lots of useful info anyone wanting helpful info on conceal carry should watch the video. I doubt this gentleman desired to present a complete exhaustive video on these two guns AND conceal carry but he did mention some key issues which I think for some may need some additional info so here goes:
Regarding the DeSantis Holster they way it is made - see how wide it is this is great for carry "IN THE BACK POCKET of say a pair of Jeans" also carrying it in the back pocket allows the person carrying the gun to draw it out with a much more minimal noticeable weapon draw as compared to if the person carrying the gun draws it from the front pocket - though some may cringe of carrying a gun in the back pocket for gun retention purposes etc. More in the DeSantis buy about 10 of them because using them everyday the sticky grip area wears down and soon the entire gun and holster comes out when you draw it - notice to in the video he grabbed his jacket when he drew out. A better holster choice for the back pocket may be one with a click etc.
Regarding drawing out the weapon - don't forget to get a quick shot off and especially if the person is right in your face and you know you won't miss DO NOT draw out the gun and fully extend your arm and do the two grip "Weaver Grip" - the Weaver grip has its uses and is great and most often you should use this method especially for accuracy but also know that if a person is close to you and you need to get a shot off real quick just get the gun out say you are drawing it from your front pocket, hip,or backpocket and just put the gun next to your own hip and point muzzle at the target and fire - this is a techique this guy I am sure knows about but didn't feel like covering it - this may be called the Tactical Quick Draw.
Regarding reloading a revolver - It may be best to not switch hands like as shown in the video AND keep the barrel pointed straight up so gravity assists as best it can. So whilst shooting the gun with the Right hands then operated the cylinder release and grab the gun with the LEFT hand release the right hand from the gun and then press down on the cylinder ejector with the right hand as the gun is firmly held with the left hand with barrel up and then when spent cartridges fall out with right hand acquire the speed loader and reload the gun using the right hand and then in one motion close the cylinder with left hand as you retain grip with right hand and continue then using the weapon - Some people may cringe at NOT maintaining grip of the firearm with the right hand but most people who are right handed are not that good with their left hand - ESPECIALLY in a self defense situation to effectively use there left hand to knock out the spent rounds, obtain the speed loader and then reload the weapon.
Regarding NOT having a semi auto loaded - I think with todays internal safeties .... a blow to the hammer or end of the gun does not cause the gun to go off .... one should always have a semi loaded with one up the snout unless they are absolutely convinced that in a stressful use of force conceal carry your about to be shot at situation you will flawlessly be able to get a round chambered in a semi auto - OH never ever ride the slide up on a semi auto like they do in the movies you are asking for a jam Always put the slide all the way back and let it go.
With a revolver if it sticks and you cannot pull on the trigger hard enough to get the cylinder to move again then if your revolver has a hammer on it them pull back on the hammer to assist the cylinder to go around to a live round
Even more can be said but there are enough words here already - This is a good video the guy just didn't want to get into all these other aspects.
For a non-gun-guy like me, non military, non paramilitary, non law enforcement guy, just a regular civilian interested in self defense, 99% of handling any situation I'd find myself in is analyzing the situation instantaneously, making the proper decision, and accurately getting off the first 2 rounds. That's what I worry about and prepare for. That's why I carry a revolver. Theoretically, I could get in an action movie gunfight where I need 17 rounds. Theoretically, I could also get trapped in a building in an earthquake, but I don't carry a crowbar with me everywhere. There is a limit to what you can prepare for. This obviously doesn't apply to you if you're in the army or a cop or whatever.
Rick Schubert Thanks for commenting. I tell folks select a platform and train with it. Revolver or semi, both will do the job for personal protection and self defense.
Paul Kersey
Are you really an asshole or do you just play one on the internet?
Well said. My thoughts also
Great video sir
rwhb1188
In my career, I used a 5 shot .38 Spl, S&W Model 60 in a shoot out with an armed robber. I was working as a decoy at the time, the shooting occurred toe to toe and all five rounds were contact wounds. All five were to the upper chest ares on the suspects left side. I couldn't get a round up under his chin for a head shot as he had my wrist as I also had his with his gun. We went to the ground and rolled around for an eternity until back up detectives got to me. The suspect died on his way to the hospital. Don't expect 5, .38 shots to do the job! My backup is a Kahr PM 9, 7 shots and an extra mag in my pocket.
Wow, thank god you survived this encounter. Your perspective is much appreciated.
A sheriff I used to know once emptied both his 1911 and a .32 auto in a suspect and he didn't go down until one of his deputies got a bead on him with a shotgun. The old saying "handguns suck" has some validity. It is amazing how much damage the human body can sustain and still function, and yet a .22 short in the wrong place could be the end.
Guns and Gear & On Target Training, LLC great video . kept reallly simple for beginners and good descriptions of differences of revolver and semi auto
Ron H - you had contact shots, how would that Kahr have made out? What are the chances the semi *wouldn't* have jammed?
Do you recall how the recoil felt to your hand? Any thoughts to 357 instead?
I want a S&W .38 Special revolver. A) Because I trust revolvers more than semi-autos for ccw, and B) if it is ever seized for investigation, it's cheap! And easily replaceable.
Thanks for watching and commenting.
Dan, I have shot the LCR and think it is okay. The ability to replace the sights would not be a selling point to me. It is Certainly accurate and fired every type of ammo I used. The smith has a better trigger (IMO) and I feel it's a bit better for concealment. All that being said the Ruger would be a gun to bet your life on. I just prefer the S&Ws better.
That was my question - difference in recoil? I'm taking my CCW next week and I have both, but have not fired either yet.
Great video. Great presenter. Subbed.
Love my 642. I can't fire small semiautos very well. The 642 is about as small as my big mitts can work well.
I used to be a big auto loader fan, and I thought revolvers were out of date/low capacity/hard to reload piles of junk, not fit for modern defense. But then i purchased a S&W 638 and i fell in love, the timing, the simplicity, the up most in reliably, and the grip has a very low profile if wearing it IWB, that it made it easier to conceal than any other auto loader i own, so now I'm head over heels. I cant make up my mind.
Good vid Mr. W...my Bodyguard is much less problematic in a quick deployment scenario (Although my M&P 9C is very reliable) thus I tend to carry it more often Hiking/camping ...and working around my shop...
I'd rather be missed by a .44 than hit with a .22
Not me.
Paul Fabrique people who are shot with a .45acp have the courtesy to stay shot.
Paul Fabrique That .22 is a pingpong.
I have nothing against revolvers for carry, that said though there is a very valid set if reasons why we generally moved away from revolvers and on to semi autos. One revolvers people seem to think are just boringly reliable. However they are not. After heavy fire and extended use you can run into timing issues. I have also heard of floating primers with revolvers. Now having said that, semi autos TEND to be more reliable.. any gun will eventually malfunction with enough training though and even with a semi auto you must routinely maintain and inspect it. All that said for edc i want a semi auto, easier to carry spare ammo and make reloads faster. Revolvers to me are best suited for hiking, possibly bedside guns, and back up guns. Anyway point being training is fundamental no matter what. Good video.
I carry my SP101 in .357 Magnum. It's also my home defense firearm. I don't trust cheap plastic pistols, weak pistol ammunition, fail to feed issues, stove pipes, magazines, safeties, jams, etc. In one's civilian lifetime, you may only have once chance and one shot to save your life. I don't trust mine to a pistol. I'll take a Ruger, Colt or S&W in .357 Magnum every single time. Heavy caliber revolvers are so much more fun that tinker toy pistols on range day, too.
TOBORE8THMAN Thanks for your perspective. The SP101 is a solid performer. I've owned and occasionally carried the SP101 for 15 years. At the same time, I've had no issues with quality polymer pistols (Glocks, M&Ps, XD series to name a few). I've fired well over 100,000 rounds on Glocks and over 50,000 on M&Ps and they've both been reliable. I would also note that most of the top instructors and many former Tier 1 operators (from DevGru, CAG Delta ect) use polymer framed firearms. So, rather than being brand or caliber specific I suggest that the individual select and train on the platform that is reliable and allows hits on target. It sounds like the SP101 is the one that works for you...
TOBORE8THMAN i would say more than this but thankfully guns and gear was kind enough to do so for me and in a polite manner. my only statement will be glad your sp101 works, as i said i have nothing against revolvers just not my choice as edc weapon.
Check all the police gun fight vids and note the number of malfunctions---99% caused by limp wristing which occurs with violet movements.
Good idea for a video and well done...I myself will never give up my 6 shot Colt Detective Special for EDC in the summer loaded with Hydrshok. Thanks.
secretsquirrel Revolvers are a great option and your set up will serve you well!
The only downside I find with the 642 Airweight is the quarter mile long double action trigger pull.
If I’m going somewhere far, away from home for awhile, I take the semi auto especially for long car rides, and because you might not be near your spare supplies, so it’s good to have the semi auto capacity benefit because you can take as much as you feel like you need to. But I will add that even a revolver with just a mere 5 rounds in it is better than the 45 you’ll leave at home. And a revolver IMO is great for going out your house for quick stuff like laundry grocery or bank stops. They make compact 22, 380, and 9s that are easier to carry so revolvers aren’t your only options, they’re great to carry too. Most of them tend to be heavier and bulkier so they weigh more than your standard polymer frame.
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Very honest and usefully video. Thanks
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I believe the reality is newbies will get the Glock (or whatever), discover it’s heavy & bulky and eventually leave it in the car (a BIG no-no) or at home. The gun most of us have w/us, me included, as an EDC is a small J Frame or subcompact .380 b/c they’re easy to slip in a pocket as you go about your daily routine. That said these tiny guns require regular range time to maintain combat proficiency. I know b/c in 1974 I had to use my department issued Colt Detective Special, about the same size as a S&W J Frame, in a gunfight w/three armed robbery suspects. Luck was on my side that night b/c, along w/another officer, we put the suspects down and only suffered one officer being shot, who later returned to full duty. Good informative video by the way.
Many thanks for watching and commenting. I’ve carried a Glock 19 and now I’m caring a Glock 48 which is a slim frame version. I have no problem curing either. I often carry a 380 in a pocket holster. It’s really dependent on what I’m wearing and the conditions.
I couldn’t agree with you more that small Handguns require much more training.
Whatever tool is chosen the operator must get training, practice and develop a high level of proficiency if they expect to be able to perform in a fight.
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Excellent video.
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Very informative. Thank you