Staccato XC vs Sand Viper vs MPA DS9 vs Nighthawk TRS Comp - Fast Gun Shootout!
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2024
- Today, the 1911 platform is still alive and well… especially in the performance segment. In this video, we pit the Staccato 2011 XC against The Sand Viper, Masterpiece Arms DS9 Ported, and the Nighthawk TRS Comp in an all out Fast Gun Shootout!
Also, if you want to see more detail on each Pistol, I made a review for each video with a direct link below:
Sand Viper Review: • Sand Viper Review - Jo...
Nighthawk TRS Comp: • Nighthawk TRS Comp Rev...
Masterpiece Arms DS9 (non-ported): • Masterpiece Arms DS9 -...
Staccato XC: • Staccato 2011 XC Revie...
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We really hope you enjoyed shooting that TRS Comp!!! Thanks for including us!
I bought the DS9 hybrid and couldn't more happy with my purchase. It is a joy to shoot.
I have a MPA DS9 and couldn’t be more satisfied. It is insanely accurate. A total joy to shoot. Great trigger. Nice grip. Fit and finish are incredible. 100% satisfied!
First class. The simple but perfectly clear illustration of how the guns are balanced was very impactful. Great conclusion too!
Ds9! Been using it since early 2021. Solid 25k rounds before I had a major malfunction (not to mention I had very little malfunctions in general) Phil and the guys in the ds9 department took care of me and essentially replaced the gun. Now I'm at 3500 on the new build with zero malfunctions of any kind. Such a well built gun for the correct price point which is where all the others fall off for me!
Videos getting better and better
Always look forward to your new videos!
Good stuff my man!
I bought an XC about 6 weeks ago. It’s been a learning curve. But it is WAY easier to shoot than my Glock. There are times I’m not sure a bullet came out of the gun.
I’m looking forward to the year of competition with it.
Now, this is exciting!
Great video. My Sandhawk arrives Wednesday and I can’t wait. Now I kind of want to grab a DS9 and compare them.
Good video thanks for the info!
Good Job!
I wanted the DS9 to feel balanced. I'm glad that you noticed:) I tried to accomplish a similar balance with all of our guns. The open gun balances on one finger:)
The Nighthawk is the one I would go with out of these. I know people revere the Pit Viper and the Sand Viper, but I think the Nighthawk is a superior firearm.
I have a P that I use for 3 gun and a new C on the way for concealed carry but I’ve been eyeing an MP9 to replace my P as my main competition pistol (plan to put a light on the P and make it my night match/nightstand pistol). Videos like this make me just want to do that quicker, my wallet may never recover.
If I had to pay for one, the DS9, if it was free the Sand Viper. Another great video, 👍
I bought a DS9 Hybrid IDPA model in Dec 2022 and with my military discount it came out to a little over $2700. It's my only 2011 and I don't feel like I need anything else. I do want to get it ported - they didn't have that option at the time. That, along with QVO's Thumb Cliff for the Surefire, would definitely take it up a notch!
Send in the barrel and we can port it for you anytime!
Great video dude! I recently spent time with a few different 2011s some ported and some not. I think the key take away you brought up is how much feed back you want in your gun. The XC is a phenomenal gun but it doesnt hit my hand hard enough. Which sounds wierd but guns that required more imput were faster for me.
To counteract that on the XC, some shooters will actually put in a heavier recoil spring to create additional feedback whether in “felt recoil” or to induce a touch of muzzle rise to track the dot easier
@@TheGentlemanGunner funny you say that, next time I'm out with the XC I have some springs I'm gonna swap around haha
Great video! Did the porting on the DS9 make a noticeable difference on recoil/muzzle flip?
It does make a noticeable difference .
Where I see the improvement is in return to zero. It happens incredibly fast
My transitions suffer from some over rotation as well - tend to horse the muzzle from target to next. Have to figure out when better to hit the brakes
How are you doing? I came across your video and found it quite interesting. I must admit I do not own any of the four but I do have the MPA DS9 on order. The TRS Comp and Sand Viper are a bit more than I was willing to spend so I was left to decide between the XC and DS9 i chose the DS9 because I recently acquired the Phoenix Trinity H-TAC which is also comped by the way is a damn good pistol. I have to ask, how is the DS9 in your opinion? 😎
Well… they are still my main competition gun and while there are things I like about the other guns in this video… something that sticks out is their customer service… amazing. Also, if you have one on order… you’re likely getting their “Gen 3”… in short… improved machining and trigger. It will feel buttery smooth and tight… virtually on par with an Infinity or Nighthawk.
I’m a big 2011 fan. Own several including recently acquiring a Watchtower Apache Pew View.
Sadly the comps and ports don’t fly in USPSA except in open devision
How do you like the Apache?
@@robertloszewski1347 had some issues with it.
The 3D printed grip was an absolute failure! The thumb safeties weren’t fit worth a crap, grip screws were finger tight, the trigger wasn’t fit all that well..
I installed a cheely E2 stainless steel grip and fixed the rest of the issues my self.
Only gripe I have now is digging lead out of the comp
I have held the Sand Viper and the fit and finish was subpar for the price in my opinion.
Great video, What you forgot to mention is that the Staccato XC is under sprung when compared to the TTI and the TRSC.
The XC is running a 7lbs recoil spring while the TTI and the TRSC is a 9 lbs recoil spring.
That is one of the reasons why you maybe favoring the XC over the other guns.
That is one of the other reasons why the Atlas Erebus is such a soft shooting gun because it's also a 7 lbs spring, lighter slide, slightly bigger comp, and it's hand tuned just like the Nighthawk.
Either way every comp gun out there does something better than the other.
I do love that polymer grips can flex but for some odd reason I still prefer the texture of a metal grip which it's why I lean more towards Nighthawk & Atlas.
If you had a Atlas Erebus I'm pretty sure you would of liked it the most out of all the guns.
Another great video! Thanks!Do we know who makes the Viper for TT? Nice to see the DS9 holding its own! I've got a Hybrid on order. Looking forward to testing it out vs my Bul Air. Have you been following Stoeger's experiences with the XC?
The viper is a staccato XC, taran just messes with it a bit
This is how false rumors start as this statement is incorrect @@samr4584
@@samr4584 Thanks!
I like the DS9 over my Bul.
@SZ-uh5qi Good to hear. 👍🏻 What do you like better about it? I'm very curious how they'll compare. As far as slide to frame and barrel fit, my Air is steller. Trigger is very nice as well. I'm interested to see how I'll like the polymer vs aluminum grips. I thought about going with steel but I'm appreciating slightly lighter, more nimble guns lately (And hope I can convince MPA to sell me a steel grip if I feel I need one).
@thegentlemangunner If you were starting from scratch in IDPA Carry Optics which one would you pick and why? Thanks
All of these are high-end guns. I wouldn't consider any of these "starter" unless you have an unlimited budget
I'd get a Shadow 2 optics ready on sale for just over $1000.🤷🏻♂️ That said, I'm a CZ guy who recently discovered 2011s and dang, they're fun!
Gosh… these tough question 😂. Knowing what I know now, I’d probably lean on the XC. While I make my comments about how it transitions, I know it’s a learning curve that I could accommodate. I appreciate the stability of the platform and love how it cycles. A couple of things I would probably do… maybe a 9lb variable recoil spring (I prefer a touch more snap), aluminum grip to help with the balance, and a longer trigger shoe for my preference!
@@SEAKPhotog Unfortunately, the CZ Shadow 2 optic doesn't make weight in IDPA from the factory.
@Harleycowboy2000 Wow, just assumed it would. Thanks!
Get the DS9 ported!
Got mine ported👍
Does the slide to frame fit have any wiggle?
None of these do. I mention that more in the individual reviews. Didn’t think to mention it in this video for what we reason
any future plans with atlas gunworks pieces?
Not at this time 😬
TRS stands for Thunder Ranch special. Odd that it has the manin spring retainer pin for a mag well. Not correct for as figured. I assume you took a mag well off?
I think I prefer your name for it 😂
Good eye, it had an aftermarket Magwell on it that the owner put on. So for the review, I took it off because that’s how it came originally and I did not have a retaining pin for that length.
@@TheGentlemanGunner I have the original TRS which was by Les Baer. He thinned the frame and it is hard fit. Unreal accuracy.
It was my edc for years but now days, bueing near 70, i t got a little heavy. It is now a Staccato C-2 that I thinned the grip and stippled and ported and integral comped it finishing by 1 micron diamond lapping the bore. Dead accurate and a very soft shooter for such a light gun. But it is no Baer! ;
@@michaell397 I did not know that!
I shot my friends older Les Baer (don’t remember the model) in 45. Beautiful and craftsmanship was unreal.
@@TheGentlemanGunner I don't shoot it much these days. I sometimes get the urge to trade it in and my Wife tells me I will be sorry.
so i take it out of the safe and shoot a little and am still amazed at the accuracy and smooth action.
Being hard fit, you would think it would be unreliable.Thousands of rounds and only issue has been failure to lock back every once in awhile with Wilson 47D mags. never a ftf, never a fte. Always dead on.
Folks that tell you that a 1911 is undependable have never owned a really well built 1911 or 2011. My Staccato is accurate and never an issue but it is no Les Baer.
I met Mr. les years ago when he was campaign his record holding Mustang Drag Car. . He held the record for a while. man he can drive!
We hit it right off. He didn't mention his 1911 business. I learned later who he was in the 1911 world and gave him a call. I have small hands and he suggested the thinned TRS Model. Been in love with it ever since I got it. Probably 15 to 20 years now and completely dependable the entire time! I think they replaced the TRS with their Gun Site Model.
KnifeMaker/Retired after over 47+ Years in the Craft
Great video brother...I know this took a lot of effort to put together.
What grip texture do you have on your LOC?
A3 on my LOC; A2 on the IDPA (one in the video)
@@TheGentlemanGunnerHow would you compare the LOC non ported to the Ported Hybrid, as far as recoil? Thank you.
@@DaveandDebe the way I have my ported gun sprung promotes a really fast and tight return to zero… but you feel it more in the hands. The LOC is a super soft shooter and it feels really slow especially after shooting my ported gun… although in reality it’s actually quick.
@@TheGentlemanGunner 👍, thank you
I'm your manual reviewer.
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The problem with these guns is unless you have rich gun lover friends or are rich yourself it’s impossible to have them all to compare with each other. I have the xc and I love it but wou😢love a viper but that’s a lot of money to spend and wait a year .
I have the XC and my DS9 Ported. My DS9 grips feel slippery all the time. I really like the DS9 but the slippery grips make the XC the winner for me (just got the XC) if the DS9 had the texture of my Atlas Artemis I think the DS9 could flip my opinion quick.. Someone mentioned the Bul Air below, even though the texture on my Bul AIR is better, I think that the DS9 still better than the Bul. If I can figure out the grip texture, the DS9 would be a close second to my Atlas. Perhaps I just got an odd set of grips. If I would like to put my hands on another DS9 just to see. Regardless I still want to compete with it.
I've got the DS9 and XC as well and the DS9 is probably more grippy than the XC. Do you have the standard or aggressive grips on the DS9?
@@chipreier1 I have no clue. I bought it from a certified dealer as my first competition style 2011. I would assume it was the A2 grips based off my Atlas grips and the LOK Jaws grips I had on my shadow 2. Even with A2 I would think they would not be that slick. I like the pistol a lot but this is driving me bonkers. Maybe there is residue or something there. Any recommendations?
And to defend MPA products and the people that work ther, I have not addressed this with them. They were amazing when I was asking about barrel porting and persistent inquiries on status. I think his name was Dave and another guy that was in charge of the porting process. Good people and I will continue to advocate for MPA and how good the gun truly is.
I bought the DS9 the same way, it was in stock in a local gun store and it was also my intro to competition 2011's. I'd say you must have the regular texture grip because the aggressive texture is definitely grippier than the rough textured XC. Give them a call, I'm sure they can verify which texture you have. I think they sell the aggressive grip seperately, but I'm not sure how much fitting you'd need to do.
How much better is the ported vs unported DS9? I've been thinking about having mine ported.
@@chipreier1 I’ve really enjoyed it ported. I’m not a groupy but if the gentleman did it and he has skills already, I figured it could only help. He gives great advice and I really appreciate those that I follow on CZcams opinions. Every competition style gun I have minus my Atlas was based off of his, the humble marksman’s, and the honest outlaw’s reviews. DS9 ported awesome, Bul Air awesome, XC koolaide drinking awesome, Atlas Artemis - beyond awesome. Now I just need to go out and find a place to compete and be the guy with the fancy guns that gets smoked by some kid with a Glock 43x or a slingshot. Not many competitions in SW OK.
2011 saved the 1911 platform. What large new group is going to shoot singlestack or limited 10? Limited optics is a late response to market change the same way carry optics was.
Carry comps are something USPSA rules need to accept bc those arent going away.
I mean how is IDPA so much more in step with the market?
Damn no Tisas B9R Carry DS WIW😅😮😢
Love my XC!!!! It’s amazing, it feels like cheating.
Watch 1911 Syndicate to see why the Sand Viper is not the best one.
lol no