What If Master Chief DIED in Halo: Combat Evolved?
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What If scenarios are always interesting, so today I thought we'd investigate what would happen if Master Chief DIED in Halo: Combat Evolved - how this alternate timeline would play out, and how it would end. So, what if Master Chief died in Halo: Combat Evolved?
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We all know that if Master Chief died Chips Dubbo would just fill his spot... right?
Could you do more maybe about Payday than advertise? maybe do some lore about the series is currently one of my favourite games
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Just like chief said in infinite: "There will be conciquences, there always are."
I LOVE what ifs and alternate history, fictional or real. So bring it on Luc 😁
What if the Arbiter and the heretic leader actually talked and spoke with Guilty Spark instead of the heretic leader just blasting.
Based. I've never heard a good explanation why he just stated blasting.
@@bumbaclot813 Would've been funny if it was a weapons malfunction
I think Instalation00 did a colander with someone on that possibility
@@XtreemAlan
It was reclaimer gaming
@@bumbaclot813 Because he was opportunistic, and it's probable his situation made him think he had to be as pragmatic, and ruthless, as possible. It's also probable he never thought Arbiter would listen anyway (and it's possible he didn't even care about whether Arbiter would). Which is a shame, because to us the viewers, it did seem like Arbiter was willing.
The heretic leader being the type of person to actually go against the Covenant's teachings was a good thing, but clearly he had other personality traits that hindered the rebellion from truly getting off the ground.
What if the great schism never happened
Truth and the Brutes wouldn’t have turned on the Arbiter, and he would’ve helped activate Halo. There’s also a chance that the Flood outbreak on High Charity could’ve been contained.
Humanity would have probably failed to save Earth as well
Earth falls to the Covenant, Humanity goes extinct followed quickly by every other living thing in the galaxy as The Covenant would fire the rings.
We’d be ded
Humanity would've lost even harder
This is such a cool idea for a series! Another thing I’ve always wondered is what if Noble Team never died? Jorge never has to sacrifice himself to blow up the Long Night of Solace, Kat never gets JFK’d, etc.
It may not be nearly as significant as Chief dying, but it could’ve had some impact on the battle of Reach
Yeah but it wan't ONI who shot Kat so was she really JFK'd? 😂
@@CHIEF__ you’re so right 😭 best reply I’ve ever gotten on a comment goes to you
It could have a big impact. Kat, Jorge, and Carter could of made it to the Pillar of autumn. Assuming Jun leaves with Halsey, Emile gets stabbed protecting, and Nobel 6 left behind to safe everyone
It'd also have some impact on the battle of Alpha Halo.
Reach still falls to the Covenant. Nothing really changes with Noble Team still around.
I wish we got a Halo game similar to Marathon 3. Imagine Chief having to travel through various doomed timelines, perhaps one where the Flood wins. Chief is having to go through these different timelines to either find the canon timeline, or make sure the canon timeline happens.
I think Halo has the perfect amount of goofy time gimmicks. Time travel gets pretty messy
Dude I would unironically love that, tbh tonnes of franchises would fit a Marathon Infinity-type story
@@HiddenXperia I Think Cortana's Still Alive But Would Need Another Spartan II To Carry Her Which Would
Be A Really Cool Mission If Someone Had Found The Chief And He Would Remove Her Chip And Say: "Guard Her At All Cost" And Give Jerome The Chip And He'd Wear It With A Dogtag And So No One Can Capture Her
Also She Would Change Her Appearance
Could easily ride off of the idea of Halo Fractures - they could combine them into one large game where you bounce between the more popular ones and a few timelines that are really close to the main one as Chief tries to fix things
@@HiddenXperia Keep up the Halo What-If content. Glad to see it! Maybe a "What if Operation Red Flag was approved"?
The mental image of the Arbiter's "And so you must be silenced" scene but with a suddenly aware he was lied to and betrayed Tartarus holding the Fist of Rukt is a strong one.
It’s weird imagining Tartarus in Arbiter’s place as the redeemed “hero” since we’re so used to him being the bad guy but in all likelihood he would be the one handed the reins of a crippled empire with an entire dead galaxy to rebuild. But yeah, him slaughtering the Prophets who betrayed him with the Fist of Rukt would be awesome.
"I am Truth, you heretical beast!"
"You are a _LIAR!"_
Two paths for the epilogue: 1. Tartarus would have remembered what the Arbiter told him, and a confrontation would happen in the Ark's control room once it became obvious transcendence wasn't happening. He would demand clarification from the Forerunners themselves, and Guilty Spark, and/or another Forerunner AI would just repeat what Tartarus had already been told. Their religion was false, their war against the humans was based on nothing more than lies and a translation error, and by initiating the Great Journey they had in fact murdered an entire galaxy.
Ships sent back to the Milky Way would confirm it. Tartarus would then exterminate the San'Shyuum and take control of what was left of the Covenant. I'd also assume Miranda Keyes survives this outcome, since it's likely she would have been the human used to activate the array. Perhaps the Spirit of Fire also survives somehow. I'm not sure what mechanism opened a portal to the Ark for them, maybe it could have happened early once the array was activated.
2. Guilty Spark tells them a partial truth; the Ark is out of range of all active installations. They wait a few days for his replacement Halo to be completed and fire it, which he still insists on due to the Flood presence on the Ark. The End.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought that Tartarus and the Jiralhanae would kill the San'Shyuum and potentially discover Dosiac devoid of life.
I don't think Tartarus ever really cared about the great journey, I think he believed the Arbiter, and simply didn't care, all he really wants is power and to be in charge. Other than that I think it still would have went the same way your first scenario went.
@@trankia1224 If you read the books, you learn that Tartarus is a zealot. He truly does believe in the great journey. In fact, the brutes under his command were known for being extremely "faithful".
@@477sierra well, if that's the case, then the prophets could probably talk their way out of it. If the brutes are that dumb and have believed everything they've said up to this point, why wouldn't they believe them even further?
@@trankia1224 It's possible but keep in mind, the Arbiter did manage to plant a little seed of doubt. The reason Tartarus didn't believe it then is because you can't expect someone to give up a lifetime of beliefs in a few seconds. Still, you could see Tartarus hesitate a bit when the Arbiter told him the truth. The prophets might be able to stall but Tartarus would send ships back to the galaxy to confirm what happened. Basically, the prophets are living on borrowed time as soon as they fire the rings.
The most unrealistic part of this scenario is the idea that Chief would die from a fall.
i think it was more the pillar of autumn exploding rather than the fall
@@angrybeaver26 That fall would cost him precious time.
@@angrybeaver26 Yeah I think it would be more meaningful if Chief had still made it aboard the Longsword but didn’t have enough time to escape and his luck simply ran out. That way it’s not his or Cortana’s incompetence that gets them killed, rather it’s just that the situation was already too bad for them to escape alive.
Chief would be instantly vaporized by the Autumn’s nuclear reactor.
What if a puddle was at the bottom
“Post-Great Journey-clarity” is crazy 😭
I feel like once all the halos were fired and Tartarus realized that the arbiter was right, he'd kill the prophets for what they've done and try to rebuild civilization, maybe not as efficient or as elegant as another species but with the intelligence and instinct they had they'd start by searching for any other existing life and having a majority of their forces on the arc rebuilding themselves
My final thought is, would the firing of all the halos effect the halo 4 plotline and would it continue into a potential war between the brutes and the Prometheans? Because I don't think Tartarus would be dumb enough to trust another "intelligent mind" after trusting the prophets
Wait I love this idea
Yes. The didact either continues to sleep or awakens to a dead universe. At that point, Tartarus either beats him in a slug fest or he slugs Tartarus off a mountain. Whoever wins becomes the “God” of the new galaxy.
@@tchoythao1730 would be a fight to see, that grav ham does damage even if the didact is op
Love this “What If” video. I do think the Gravemind could have been tactical enough to potentially put up a decent fight to stop The Covenant but even then I think the odds arent in The Floods favor. As for the epilogue, once The Covenant realizes all their home worlds and other controlled space is completely gone… yeah it’s gonna be The Great Schism 2 but on steroids. No chance of reproducing and probably no understanding of how Forerunner repopulating mechanisms work so whoevers left on The Citadel is going to be the last bit of life until they all kill each other.
Isn't high charity meant to be a city, though? It could be possible enough females of the respective covenant species survive in the city to allow for the repopulation of the galaxy.
@@dantheman627 i guess it depends where High Charity is. I’d imagine that everything outside The Citadel/Arks surface would be obliterated by the rings. If it’s close enough to The Ark and survives than yes but it would still lead to a massive bloody conflict
tbf the covenant would have no chance against the flood; no active communication, lack of armour, mostly plasma weapons, etc. as shown through halo 2 - halo 3, a gravemind is capable of taking over an entire civilization (high charity) through sheer force
@@PennywiseTheFirstthough the flood would still lose to the Covenant. Gotta remember that in retrospect, the covenant’s end was largely attributed to a combined effort of the Humans, Covenant defectors, and the flood. Yes, the flood has far more muscle, however the “environment” already heavily detriments them, the “environment” being the forerunner infrastructure and the ability to activate the rings.
With Chief and Cortana gone, humanity can’t fight the covenant. If they can’t fight the covenant, the Arbiter either doesn’t turn good or does but can’t do anything as he has no powerful allies. Because the Arbiter can’t do anything, the Covenant end up activating the Rings using human slaves before the flood could grow strong enough to stop them.
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The survivors of Installation 04 wouldn't have even made it onto the ship. In First Strike, they had to use the pelican to distract Ascendant Justice after coming out of a slingshot orbit. Since Chief and Cortana died, the crew either got killed by getting blasted by the capital ships in the area or ran out of oxygen in the pelican hiding from them.
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Everyone on Reach would be dead due to Whitcomb having set the NOVA Bombs to detonate after 10 days. When Chief and co got there, there were only 20 hours left before they went off.
100% they never even have the plan to take the ship. I'm pretty sure Cortana did some tricky things to get them aboard as well.
Post-Great Journey-Clarity
After a few minutes of nothing really happening, everyone being alive and silent but a few odd mumbles between a few grunts, Tartarus has that devestating realization of knowing what he has just permitted to happen. In that instance. I believe he’d to into a feral state of despair, lashing out at the three Prophets, beating and tearing them limb from limb, before throwing their barely living bodies down to the other troops to finish off.
After that. I imagine they’ll just go back to the Milky Way Galaxy, and despair at the truth of what the Great Journey was upon returning to Earth & previously Covenant controlled space. Finding fleets of ships, floating in space with their crews slumped over dead at their stations, and returning to their home worlds, seeing every single individuals of their species also dead. And also, every single animal, and all the plants. Lifeless husks is what awaits them upon their return to the Milky Way Galaxy.
After that? I imagine the last few hundreds of thousands of Covenant would either begin the arduous process of re-populating the galaxy. Or drive their ships into the closest star to join the rest of their peoples.
Dope idea! Only problem is, they wouldn’t be protected from firing the rings (the forerunners weren’t protected, so I don’t believe anyone else would be unless perhaps I missed dialogue about the room where you fire the rings being protected)
With that being said, no one and just nothing in general would be left, other than perhaps life outside the Milky Way
Imagine Tartarus leading a new covenant with what remains in the arc, the prophets are now dead so Tartarus comes back to the galaxy to see everything is ashes, just like the arbiter said. So he uses the forerunner luminary to locate any new forerunner relics in search of answers and ultimately comes to requiem and faces the Didact. I'm not sure what would happen from there, maybe a search to rebuild a new forerunner empire alongside the covenant?
@@Faintwolf The Arks exists outside of of the Milky Way galaxy, thus being out of range of all of the halo rings, this is explicitly said in the game. The only reason it ends up destroyed by the end of Halo 3 is because of the newly created Installation-04 that was prematurely fired to eradicate the Flood.
I would imagine the galaxy would be re seeded by the Cylixes found on the rings
@@FaintwolfActually, life outside the Milky Way galaxy would also be vaporized by the Halo rings effects, and that the effects would also disable the stars’ stability, causing them to explode and vaporize every single planet on sight. Therefore, it’s game over for the universe.
This series is gonna be fire, please we need more, how about a "If Hunt the Truth actually happened" like the ad campaign that completely got dropped in 5
What if the Covenant tried to assimilate humans rather trying to wipe them out?
That is a far greater question. The reason the prophets prevented it was due to how the humans were the reclaimers of the forerunners legacy. It would be... difficult, covenant species might start asking questions about the truth of their great journey. Hell, some might think that the humans would now destabilize the covenant from within,
Now this is a timeline I'd like to see explored.
I always wondered what could've been different if Six actually made it aboard the Autumn at the end of Halo Reach. Maybe if Emile wasnt killed by that elite or if Carter escaped the pelican before it crashed into the scarab and stayed behind instead of six. Obviusly having the two hyperlethal spartans togheter would've changed at least a bit the outcome of the Battle of Alpha Halo and the following events
TLDR? Some very silly things.
Hmm yes that would be interesting, one thing I’ve always wondered is why only chief was woken up instead of both him and Linda? The ship was under attack, so shouldn’t they have just let both of them out of cryo?
@@langstonglass2852Linda was basically dead inside that cryo pod. She was revived by Halsey later on with flash clones organs.
@@dashawnbonnett5847 oh fr? Tf happened to her
@@langstonglass2852 During the events of the book Fall of Reach, she and the Chief went on board one of the stations in orbit to destroy a navigational database on an ONI ship, and she was shot in the back opening a door for their crew to escape iirc
I think Tartarus would have enacted his full rage against the prophets and the covenant on the Ark would be divided into factions waging war against each other until they literally wipe themselves out. The ark’s own protection would wipe out many of the covenant that damage the Ark.
@@tehchief yeah. I imagine under the traditional mind of Tartarus none of the remaining covenant forces will be able to settle peacefully. It will be like the brute homeland, only when they decide to nuke themselves the Ark itself will fight back. Maybe some covenant would return to space, try to resettle old homes. The jackals for example I can imagine being opportunistic and abandoning the covenant, and becoming scavengers of old settlements and ships and hunting other races for food.
@@tehchief Or even Atriox deciding this is the chance to deal with what's left of the covenant and accept deserters
@@nepspartan-7597he would have been killed by the firing of the Halo array though.
Just remembered, weren’t Fred and a few other humans trapped in a shield world during the events? They would have survived the firing, and be the last of humanity.
What if Emile survived long enough to get Noble 6 on the Pillar of Autumn.
I don't imagine much. If Noble 6 is able to get on the PoA in this theoretical timeline,then i just imagine it would be a tag team of Chief and 6 going through the first 3 games.
I got one: What if the Spirit of Fire found the Forward Unto Dawn and they both landed on Requiem?
That would have made for a very interesting story for Halo 4.
Tartarus to Truth: "Wait, no Great Journey? We're the only ones left, AND we're stuck here? With all this Flood still left here?" *Gravity Hammer set to overload, Truth set to splattered squish*
For the epilogue, the remaining covenant forces would implode on themselves.
They would devolve back to their nature. Brutes would be brutish, the jackals would probably attempt to swindle their way out, and what not.
It would probably turn into a massive civil war against all forces.
Regardless, the Prophets would die.
Then, because of all this, I predict that those forces, probably lacking any methods of reproduction, would die off in a few decades.
Leaving the entire Halo Universe empty.
well... maybe the hunters would survive.
That wouldnt be a bad thing. Adorable lil guys
I honestly have to agree that would make a really good epilogue if all the brutes including Tartarus chieftain of the brutes go against prophets truth mercy and regret and honestly I really love the idea
What would most likely happen in the Ark would be a civil war in between those who realized what just happened and those who are still blind to see what just happened or just in denial, the last species alive in the galaxy would go out against each other on a crude, maybe quick skirmish, whoever survives such event would probably attempt to return home and to their surprise probably slowly perish due to lack of numbers to re populate.
Honestly a very poetic ending to the series in this timeline, awesome introspect!
Would absolutely love to see more “What If” content
I find the idea of that epilogue segment very interesting. I imagine that once the Brutes inevitably realize that the Prophets were indeed lying to them, their immediate reaction would be blind rage. And Tartarus and the other Brutes would probably beat the Prophets to death and rip them apart, which would be a very poetic, ironic death.
I think this is a great idea! And a way to get those creative juices flowing again. As a long time Halo Veteran, I do like seeing some kind of what if scenarios if things could have gone differently. Maybe write out a scenario where the Ark is still blown up, but the method to destroying it turned out very differently. Also we could expand this into the 343 games as well, how they could have continued the alternate timeline of sorts.
so excited for the implications to the lore! This is the content that keeps halo dreams alive. meeting u at HCS was awesome.
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"Post journey clarity". Gold
I'd love for you to cover more "what if" situations for Halo. Just love this concept for videos.
Some of my favorites I've considered:
What if Sesa Refumee didn't fire at the Arbiter
What if the Librarian sided with the Didact's shield worlds instead of Faber's Halos
What if Spartan II Class 2 happened
What if Red Flag somehow didn't go to shit
What if Cortana didn't die facing the Didact and was able to return to Halsey
What if Sam never took the shot for Chief
Brilliant video
I would love to see more of these what if videos! I have always wondered about different scenarios like this and I think you are the most qualified to consider all the changes.
Imagine a timeline similar to this where Tartarus realizes the propheys are false and turning and joining humanity. A man can dream.
Arbiter: "Tartarus, the Prophets have betrayed us..."
Tartarus: "...our entire lives...everything we ever did...was for a lie...? *_I'LL KILL THAT BASTARD, TRUTH!"_*
I thought of something funny of what you said at the end. After the Halo Array is fired all the grunts, jackals, and Brutes just look around like, “was truth lying to us, where’s our godhood?” And Tartarus would be like, “We’re y’all lying about the great journey? I mean, so many died while we tried to accomplish this.” Would they turn on the prophets?
I think I'd be cool to do "What if Thel Vadum never became the Arbiter?"
Then either Alpha Halo was never destroyed or the Prophets forgave Thel since they know what the flood can do if left unchecked. Thus making humanities life a living hell
Then Regret and/or Tartarus (or Thel himself) would have successfully fired off the Delta Halo and it's game over for everyone. Humanity dead, Flood gone, Covenant gone, galaxy reset once more.
Really like the idea of Halo what ifs, there are a lot of interesting possibilities. There's always been one what if nagging at me though. What if Cortana had actually gone crazy in the Alpha Halo's control room, and had betrayed Chief during Two Betrayals. Nothing else about the story or world is changed beforehand, that is the only variable. I think there is room for the series to continue and for Chief to destroy the ring, but Halo 2 and 3 (and by extension the rest of the series) may have gone very differently.
Chief would have to be paired with another AI to maintain combat effectiveness.
@@Destroyer_V0 That could be a really interesting conflict for Chief to face, especially amidst the chaos of the covenant invading Earth. I think that Chief would accept a new AI if he was ordered to, but I don't think he would be able to work with it as effectively, given his prior attachments to Cortana and how that ended in betrayal.
I voted that the Flood would win in the poll because I though MC would die earlier in the game. With him dying when he does in this situation, the Covenant "winning" does seem the most likely.
What if the arbiter actually “learnt about the demons intent” and put a stop to it
Loved this video. I just have a correction to make, and my own thought on what might happen. First, the Halo rings we have now don't protect their inhabitants from the halo firing, save for the Flood specimens that were within special containment. So if Tartarus and Regret fire it, they and anyone on the ring also die.
As for Arbiter vs. Tartarus, even without Johnson, I think he would have found a way to victory, even if at a high price. Thel was a tactical genius and one of the Covenant's strongest warriors. He would have figured out how to either get through Tartarus' shields to kill him or some other way to pin him down long enough for Miranda to grab the Index and stop the firing sequence. Hell, it was Johnson that advised Miranda not to try it while Tartarus was alive, so she might have gone for it regardless if she saw it as the only option. Then if Tartarus is still alive, they make their escape and regroup elsewhere before having their conversation with Guilty Spark about the Ark - maybe Arby makes another shot at convincing him of the truth, maybe not, but I don't see Tartarus coming to his senses here.
22:26 "the smallest change"... you killed the hero! 😂
Great video! 😁😁 Was really interesting to hear what could have happened (realistically), if Halo CE went down with that little change, looking forward to what comes next (if something comes next, whenever that will be) 😁
Johnson would have recovered Linda even if Chief hadn't made it. It's possible following their failed raid that she could have been captured in a counteroffensive, opening the possibility for her to survive and be rescued at a later date
The counterassault on Tartarus at the Control Room is one of the most comically overcommitted missions I've ever seen. They have Rtas' Sangheili Special Operations force, a full strength Hunter patrol, rescued POWs, a flight of stolen Banshees, Johnson's fireteam of Marines, *and* a Scarab. Take out those last two and you've got a couple fights that go differently: The canyon run in the Banshees primarily against a Wraith platoon, which is too slow to effectively engage them, and the Tartarus/Regret double boss fight that Thel has to do with no sniper support. This would be hard, but I've literally gotten Rtas to kill Tartarus on his own, so I think they could manage to assassinate them both at once with their guerilla tactics. In fact, Regret's honor guard would probably betray him on the spot as soon as Thel showed up to explain how they've been manipulated
This creates a timeline in which Thel goes on to basically solo Halo 3 and assassinate Truth, Miranda dies like normal... until we get to Cortana. With no copy of the Index, he would have to spend all of *Halo 4* racing against the Flood to retrieve *another* Index from Installation 04B and fire a local pulse, an idea that originated from Guilty Spark. He would probably want to take Sangheili Special Operations with him, leaving that ODST squad to pull security on the Ark's control room against Brute holdout forces still loyal to Truth's dying order. It's very possible they world get temporarily overrun, leaving Thel to juggle missions across both installations at once. He solos the Guilty Spark boss fight, fires the Halo, and gets the hell out of there. Timeline has been saved
If the Halos were fired, the Spartan IIIs inside the Onyx Shield World would also survive. Now, my memory is a little shaky on Halsey's involvement there, so someone help me with this: Can they still make it out to see what kind of galaxy they've woken up to, or do we need a timeline in which Halsey survives for that to happen? There's also a small possibility the Spirit of Fire was inside the shield radius of the Ark by that time. I have to assume Mendicant Bias was somehow involved in its teleportation and deliberately chose that destination to influence the events there in the event High Charity's containment was under threat of being breached. Can Halo pulses reach the occupants of ships that are currently in Slipspace?
I need to see this play out. You've come up with an excellent outline, and someone needs to mod this beauty.
You also raise a great point about the Shield Worlds. How many are there, and who else was inside?
Another What If that could interesting is if the flood infected him during the Maw. If im not mistaken, a flood infection form manages to break through his armor and if it wasn't for Cortana's split second decision, he would have been infected.
Cortana would activate the Mjolnir bomb thus ending Chief and the Infection form
honestly, i'm kinda curious how things would have been different if Chief had've gotten back to Earth with Thel at the end of 3, instead of getting stranded in deep space for 4 years
It may be possible that Chief eventually ends up on Requiem as the Infinity travels to the planet in Halo 4.
@@legendaryrobb5903 i mean, yeah, but i'm curious as to what would chief be up to until that point.
and wait, wasn't it the distress beacon that Cortana left when chief went into cryo what brought the Infinity to Requiem in the first place, or did i miss something?
@@legendaryrobb5903they traveled there because of a distress signal. The Reclamation would never happen and Cortana would have been decommissioned after her first signs of Rampancy, and its likely the Weapon from Halo Infinite would be Chiefs new AI, albeit not with the mission of destroying Cortana
I think you should do more what ifs like could lord hood survive a flood infected high charity alongside what's left of the UNSC in halo 3.
That's the plan! Depending on how well this vid is received/does I'll do more :)
Yo I'm so down for more of these What Ifs. It's like all the cool intrigue and layers of the Marathon story videos but with a Halo twist
This has been one of the most enjoyable videos I've watched from you, and I have been subscribed for a good couples of years.
Love the ideas of what if discussions keep it up
Obviously Dustin Echoes would save everybody
I love this video. I wish you went more in depth of what would happen after the rings fired. Would the covenant break into a civil war? Would the ground troops feel uneasy at all before the firing?
Definitely do more “what if” videos. They’re great. They’re always interesting, easy to create, and you’re the best candidate for coming up with great what if scenarios
So, I do think that there is one flaw with this timeline you made. I think Tartarus would've stayed on delta halo along with the prophet; since iirc they didn't know it was a weapon. Either way, I think this is a fun little thing to do. Thanks for the content mate, merry christmas!
That is a very interesting what if scenario.
I got two questions though: Was the Prophet of Regret going to support the Great Schizm (Elites/Brutes)? Was he on board with Truths secret plan or would he have decided against it?
Second: Why did the Gravemind not use Delta Halo to reach the Ark? The Halo rings were capable of achieving that, as far as I know. (Halo Wars 2 ending)
An infected Delta Halo would have surely improved the Floods chances of stopping the firing of the Halo arrays.
i think the ark can only send rings to places not draw an entire ring back for repairs
I'm fairly certain Regret would be against the Schism. If I remember correctly, the books portray him as something of an Elite fanboy.
Regret would have sided with the elites, he was conspired against by truth just the same. It was simply convent that he could blame it on the Chief and the lack of Elite’s ability to protect him. Truth had the coordinates to earth and his secret fleet that he “conveniently” forgot to tell the other two prophets, thus allowing Regret to charge in with no clue what he was stepping in to and also with minor amount of ships to defend him? Nah, Truth was HOPING he would get curb stomped on earth, and when he didn’t and found Delta, Truth had to swiftly conjure up a backup plan when he realized that there would be a huge tensions arising had Regret made it back on board to High Charity and somehow found out that he was led astray by truth intentionally. It was mere chance that Chief arrived to assassinate him, and also Truth’s saving grace. He had a true person to blame for this incident, he had a reason to displace the Elites, and also there was now a power vacuum he could gobble up.
As for delta halo not going to the Ark, well, the flood wouldn’t have been able to use the ring for anything because they are not humans, despite having access to human biomass and combat forms, those weren’t enough. The only/most convenient way off Delta was through in amber Clad, and, seeing in space High charity and the convent in the midst of Civil War, jumped at the opportunity to infiltrate Charity, overrun the two already fighting factions, take over High charity and turn it into a Hive (thus making them a serious threat to all of the other factions in play), and to cap it all off, they had a gigantic mobile platform/city that had FTL travel capabilities. The gravemind bypassed assimilating Earth as the flood didn’t have the time for all that given Truth was now extremely close and very much capable of firing the Ark, so he goes straight to the ark to fight alongside elites and humans to stop truth, hoping that, in doing so, he now had free reign to consume the rest of the galaxy.
And he’d have gotten away with it too, if it wasn’t for those meddling kids, and their stupid sangeili too.
Even if they could control Delta, they would not have known the coordinates to the Ark. the only way they were able to find it was through locating earth once they hijacked Charity, traveled there, then saw the portal to the ark and slipped on through.
love this idea of videos! hope to see more :)
A lot more entertaining than I was expecting. If I were to leave a suggestion for the next what if video, it'd be something like if The Rookie died in the start of Halo 3 ODST or even if he never existed in the first place.
This is a great breakdown of events, but I can't help but notice something. The gravemind was on delta halo, if it wasn't on high charity by the time it fired, like mentioned in the video, the gravemind would have simply been killed.
What if Arbiter managed to get through to the Chieftain of the brutes?
Love the video but I see a hole, what happens to all the life forms that were supposed to be killed by instillation 04? It’s blown to smithereens so I think everything in its radius would be more or less safe.
One of the few safe zones of the galaxy, actually.
Without the ring, there is no activation. On the Ark, there is a status icon of Installation 04 showing it has been destroyed.
I love this kind of content and your videos as a whole, keep up the good work!
pleasaasee more what if videos, really loved this. also i like videos talking about how current humanity would survive against the covenant type videos. but what if scenarios are the best
Hey I recently got interested in Sci-fi books. I really only read fantasy. Which of the halo books/series of would you recommend?
I think the lore is incredibly rich and I'm interested to finally read some sci-fi books.
EDIT: Thanks for the suggestions, lads. Looking forward to jumping in.
I'm not hiddenxperia but some of the most important halo books are the fall of reach and first strike. After those you can read other ones too if you want
I always tell people getting into Halo books to start off with The Flood - it's the novelization of CE that adds a tonne of cool details to it and I think is the greatest jumping on point, after that do Fall of Reach, First Strike, Contact Harvest and Ghosts of Onyx because they all tie into the original trilogy in some capacity, and from there just read anything :)
IMO start with the original 3: The Fall of Reach, The Flood, and First Strike. The Fall of Reach is a Halo prequel and covers the history of the Spartan II program and 117 in particular. The Flood is an expanded take on the events of Halo CE, and First Strike takes place between the end of CE and the start of Halo 2.
I actually had a better question for this topic, what happens Master Chief officially died not in Combat Evolved, but maybe the future of the franchise? I really want to hear your thoughts Hidden, no need to rush.
don't let 343 see this
I really love these kind of videos and can't wait to see more.
I think some cool ideas would be what if: Noble 6 didn't need to man the MAC gun, Sgt Johnson wasn't killed by the monitor, and what if certain SCPs were found on the Halo rings instead of the Flood (i don't know what the best fit would be).
I love your videos already but this makes me even more excited to see what you're cooking up!
I’d love to see more what if content! Hope you had a great Christmas!
i genuinely love this style video, not only did it give me something cool to think abt but it taught me some cool lore i didnt know (im not big on the books i knew first strike existed but didnt know anything abt it)
ive seen this before in this comment section but i wanted to put it out there too, what if the great shism never happened
Merry Christmas and happy new years man. Thank you for being such a great content creator and for all the last few years of great and educational videos
Humanity lost hard in this timeline. This a timeline I wish to never wish to see. Chief is pretty much Halo and why everything that happened in later Halos happened, so this would be one of the darkest Halo timelines. All because the player choked the jump.
Now I'd love to see more "What If" scenarios. Like "What if Noble Six or Rookie survived?" Those would be amazing.
Merry Christmas HiddenXperia!!
loved this video so much, would LOVE to see more what if content! Like what if noble team wasnt on reach? or what if the didact killed chief on requiem? What if the ur didact was never found by bornstellar?
I really want more what if mate it’s banging and your storytelling is amazing
I have three words to describe my feelings for this genre of your videos: more. More. MORE!!
This is AMAZING! Ever since I saw that Marvel got their What If series, I’ve been dying for a Halo series along the same lines, and you’ve done it so well!
And I do have a suggestion: what if Noble team survived Reach?
Keep up the amazing work!
And when his faith was proven false, as he was warned by Thel so very long ago, Tartarus let out one defiant roar.
"YOU LIED TO US!" his voice was pure rage, hot enough that even the reinforced hull of High Charity could not stand against it. The mighty Chieftain raised his great maul and charged. He cleared the distance between himself and the Hierarchs in mere seconds, faster than any soldier in the control room could have possibly reacted to. His blood boiled, his mind a sea of red hot anger, his grip iron clad on his hammer, the tool of the Prophet's retribution. Only one thing sat center in his mind: vengeance. With their wits gathered, the rest of the Brutes watched as their leader's hammer came down with a mighty thud. Tartarus felt pure elation as his hammer crashed into the Prophet of Regret first. Regret for bringing him here, regret for sending his brothers into battle, 50 at a time to "die gloriously" for the Great Journey. Regret's skull splintered and splattered into a fine mist of grey matter and bits of bone, coating the Brute's fur and face in it. Mercy and Truth were stunned, unable to comprehend the raging Chieftain in front of them only for the pulse of his hammer to throw both of the frail San'Shyum back and nearly off of the control deck. Mercy screamed for his name sake, and Tartarus showed none caving his sternum in with another bone shattering crack. Mercy spat gore as his lungs were smashed under the pure weight of the maul, and the energy pulse cleaved his body in two, painting the ground with his once holy blood. Truth scrambled to his feet trying to get away. Two Brute however barred his path to escape.
"What are you fools doing?!" he screamed, "I am your-" a massive hand clamped like a vice around his head as the taller of the two Brutes grabbed him and held him aloft. He screamed in protest, flailing fragile limbs at the armored Brutes before him, a desperate bid to escape his fate. They approached, with mild caution as Tartarus continued to rage, his hammer smashed into the corpses of the other two Hierarchs over and over again. One merely spoke his name. Tartarus turned, his mind clearing for but a moment. He watched the two Brutes kneel before him, forcing Truth to the ground, painting his face in the blood of Mercy and Regret. And with vengeful glee in his heart, and the fires of vengeance burning hot in his stare, Tartarus brought his hammer down, silencing the lies before him.
Merry Christmas to you too my dude, keep up with the good work and the awesome videos!
I love these what if videos! And I’d like to propose my own.
What if Xytan’Jar Wattinree survived the nova bomb, or it never happened?
Great idea for a video! Would love to see more of these "what-if's"
YES! I love this keep this series up, a great future episode would be what if noble team SURVIVED the fall of reach, or what if noble six survived, but I'd prefer the whole team and see what that's do to the timeline
Really great video! There are a couple issues that I might see with how this would play out though. Miranda wouldn't even know to contest the activation index because the information that Cortana had from alpha Halo would have been lost, plus they couldn't bring high charity to Earth because once the anodyne spirit departs I'm pretty sure it didn't have the power to even move itself let alone jump through slip spaces.
I love the idea of exploring what if scenarios. And i think this is mostly fanservice, but i just recently finished a halo reach legendary playthrough and would love to know what would happen if noble 6 survived, was able to meet us with halsey/jun and escape. Could be cool.
This was amazing. Great work!
I love this! What if Noble Six boards the pillar of Autumn at the end of Reach? Emile doesn't get killed by the elites and is able to cover their takeoff so Noble Six and Chief leave the planet together bound for Alpha Halo.
Amazing Video , Would Love to See more Halo-what-ifs videos, a idea I seen/thought about would be , what if Chief and Cortana made it through the ark portal and went back to earth at end of halo 3, the obvious change would be chief not be the one to release the didact in halo 4 when he did , and a huge change to halo 5 story cause of Cortana being in human space after her 7 year life span
I'm so glad you mentioned the implications and importance of First Strike
keep up the great work man. Id like to see more what ifs
Could you do more what ifs? This was a great video!
i love this heres hoping for more what if. merry christmas
If the Covenant would’ve succeeded in firing Halo & completing the Great Journey, the first of the survivors to speak up would absolutely be a grunt, and he would be super pissed he doesn’t get to be a god with an infinite food nipple or something
Great content my dude
loved the idea of this video, please keep going
This is awesome, would be cool to see more videos like this. I think you overlooked one certain thing though - if nobody survives Alpha Halo, all knowledge of the Flood would not have passed on. They would have been as surprised on Delta Halo as they were on Alpha Halo. Probably doesn't factor much into the overall scheme of things but I thought I'd point it out.
Please do more "what if" videos because I love this type of stuff and I often think to myself while playing Halo especially Halo 2 "what if the Arbiter was executed by the prophets?" Because he was the one who killed Tarturus (sorry of I spelled that wrong) and helped stop the ring from firing in the first place
I genuinely think that after the delta Halo fired and Regret and Tarturus didn't transcend, that would have been the moment that they realized the journey was false.
Likely, thus causing another schism, except this time it would be the brutes murdering the prophets (except Regret because he was just as clueless to the great journey)
I've already subbed, but I always wanted to see a what if series on halo, I really enjoyed this video :D If I could make a recommendation, have you thought of doing a what if the Arbiter and Chief were teleported the other way around, chief on the ring and Arby on the High Charity. Would the Arbiter be able to survive what the chief went through, or become a flood? Would chief be able to stop the blast in time with having to fight the Elites on the ring, instead of Allying up with them?
With the Halo’s firing we also have the loss of the best villain Halo has had in a while. Atriox.
But after Tartarus and the brutes figure out why they haven’t ‘transcended’ one of two things would happen.
1) The prophets would somehow smooth talk their way out of the situation.
2) the more likely option the brutes kill them then and there then go on to do with the now empty galaxy/universe as they see fit.
Amazing work, wonder if the point of death was during the library or 2 betrayals, before the inminente destruction of Halo
If I remember correctly if Chief died during Halo CE, Covenant wouldn't know that they could use slipspace inside planet atmosphere, so there is possibility that Regret's ship could be destroyed by another ODP or boarded by ODST as planned at start of Halo 3 ODST
There definitely would've been a massive civil war afterwards. Especially when each species finds our their own home planets and colonies are dead. They'd probably rip each other apart out of anger, fear and desperation
Love this concept already!
love your video and that kind of content is so awsome :)
HiddenXperia Dodging Halos inaktivty and failures like a pro!
Keep What ifs coming for Halo great idea to not hard pivot to another franchise
you said facts
Merry Christmas hiddenexperia
Honestly video was really good. I understand these 'what if' theories can get pretty wild quite fast, so thanks for trying to keep it as grounded as possible. Yes please keep doing more videos like these in the future.
Also on another note, sorry for the dumb question, but would the Didact also get "Halofied" ? If yes then I guess we truly stop here, but if no......
Rigjt before this was uploaded, i turned on my phone and was hoping for a nice juicy video to watch while resting. Thanks!
This is why you play with the iron skull on so it resets the timeline until you get it right
It’s 3 am in Australia buddie but I’ll stay up to watch it love ya work ❤
It's 5AM in another part of Australia, and I am doing the exact same thing