Why France is Ending Birth Citizenship in its African Territory
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On Sunday, France announced that the government will be introducing a reform to end the practice of automatic citizenship for the French overseas region of Mayotte, who is already struggling with a huge influx of immigrants. So, what's going on on the tiny island and why are the reform so controversial?
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00:00 - Introduction
00:55 - Mayotte's Crisis Explained
04:00 - France's Birthright Citizenship Explained
05:33 - The New Policy Explained
07:49 - Sponsored Content
You mentioned that people born in Australia gain citizenship here. That's incorrect, you need to have an Australian parent in order to gain citizenship.
*Or a New Zealander parent (while born in Australia)
I can verify this, it's been like that since 1986.
True, my mate had dutch parents, but was born here. It took quite a long time for him to gain citizenship.
Of the countries he mentioned, only Canada and USA give automatic unconditional birthright citizenship regardless of parent status. (Only exception is children of diplomats)
Most of the others who grant it are in Latin America.
Or one foreign parent with Australian permanent residency or children born to foreign parents will acquire Australian citizenship by birth after 10 years legally residing in Australia. While Australia does not have unconditional jus soli like US/Canada, it still has jus soli with extra steps. It is actually important for many Asian immigrants, since many Asian countries forbid dual citizenship, except for cases when it is acquired involuntarily since birth.
Considering that even people who live in Mayotte support this measure, it should come into effect.
Its not fixing the issue. Its just trying to push the problem away. Its a short term solution at best. Starting a constitutional debate over this isn't worth it.
@@Fabioonn A short term solution at best? Are you joking? How is this not a long term solution for this specific problem? It both helps the local citizens of Mayotte from being overrun by neighbouring islands long term, as well as lessens the burden of big immigration waves in the whole of France. They should do this with all their islands.
@@DunDeeoZ It doesnt remove the reason why the people leave their home in the first place. They leave because of poverty and a lack of a good future for their children. Tell me how not giving those children citizenship will fix the poverty. This "solution" doesnt fix the problem. The peopke will still come weather their children get citizenship or not. Then France will have to spend more money to keep them away. This will get pretty expensive. All the mlney spend ob thos solution could also be spend on developing the home of ghe immigrants which would actually remove the reason for them to leave.
If the money would be invested in a smart way France could also expect some return on their investment.
Removing the citizenship is a short term solution.
Fixing the poverty issue is a long term solution.
Pretty sure moving to a country with a 10x higher GDP than yours is is a greater factor than the possibility of gaining French citizenship
@@Fabioonn Not France's problem
Ireland stopped automatically giving citizenship to anyone born on the Isle of Ireland beginning 2005, when the EU expanded in 2004. So what France is doing is nothing controversial.
It is for the far-left, cuz they hate the exclusive idea of citizenship at all.
It's not unusual among countries in Europe (or most other places). The controversy seems to be strictly inside France. I don't think I've seen all that many outsiders call this wrong or anything.
That's likely to be reversed soon again by referendum. Remember, 2005 was before the RCC scandals and abuse cover-ups being exposed. Ireland was still a deeply reactionary state. Not 10 years before, you could not get a divorce in Ireland. Abortion was still prohibited in virtually all circumstances
Canada desperately needs to do the same.
Birth citizenship is far from the norm in western democracies anyway.
To think that I had never even heard of this territory before now, we learn everyday!
How old are you?
@@OGrandomunknownperson I’m 37 years old and honestly I’ve heard of almost every country in the world but have never heard of mayotte before. I even googled it to see if it was a completely different name in my native Dutch language. Also comoren is a brand spanking new country to me.
I've also never heard it & I'm 67
There's a DW documentary about it, that's how I learned. Pretty much most news about it are about it's migrant crisis though. People there were asking for France's help in dealing with the situation for years. I didn't think they'd just end birthright citizenship for the territory entirely though, since a lot of the younger folks there do just migrate to France when ready or to pursue their degrees or advance their studies or career.
They should leave the island and give it back to its natives then
Correction: Mayotte’s GDP per capita was 11 420$ in 2021, compared to 1577$ in Comoros the same year.
3320$ was in 2001 (691$ for Comoros at the time).
Still, thanks for this video.
LOL, typical youtube grifter, fact checking < blingy grapppphikz
Also in the last preseidential election 59.1% of them voted for the french far right party
Africans: "the poor people of Mayotte are still victims of French colonialism" 😭😭😭
The people of Mayotte: 🤑🤑🤑
@@Mark-gd2ti"In France’s overseas territories and départements, civil servants and other state employees continue to be paid vastly superior salaries compared to what they would receive on the mainland. It is a legacy of what was called the “supplément colonial”, a financial incentive to work in the country’s far-flung colonies. In modern times, the generous remunerations appear in stark contrast to the often dire social and economic conditions of local populations."
I can't post links but copy and paste some of that and read the article.
@@EzioAuditoreDaFirenze99 Y'all are delusional, Mayotte is falling appart due to a lack of government investment on every single front, from public services, to housing, to disaster response, to water cleanliness. It's really not much different from the surrounding countries, it's just doing less worse.
2 Major mistakes. 1) Jus Soli countries are mostly in the americas, not anglosphere countries. A lot of other countries have Jus Soli with restrictions 2) Mayotte GDP per capita is 3 times higher than quoted at around 11500 euros
The United States and Canada both have unrestricted birth Citizenship. That is 370 million of the 470 million people living in the core Anglosphere(US, UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand moreover that is 72% of the land area as well. Furthermore England's restricted Jus Soli is actually pretty liberal, and non UK parents only need to establish residency in the UK before the child is 10 years old.
This channel is utterly useless sometimes
Perhaps not everyone knows that Italy has a citizenship law that is probably the most extreme example of ius sanguinis. Even if only one of your ancestors was an Italian citizen in 1861, you are entitled to Italian citizenship (even if between this ancestor and yourself none of your relatives going up the family tree applied for Italian citizenship). It does not matter if you speak Italian or know anything at all about Italy. The result of this law is that potentially several tens of millions of people between Brazil, Argentina, the U.S., Australia, etc. could apply for and obtain Italian citizenship.
EDIT1: Applying for Italian citizenship does not imply giving up one's own. In fact, one can have two or more citizenships and passports.
EDIT2: As specified below in the discussion very few of those who apply for Italian citizenship then move to Italy. The majority have only an interest in having (in addition to their own) a powerful European passport. The Italian citizenship law is from 1992 when no one in Italy was talking about a demographic crisis.
Which is ok, as long as they are not Muslims - why not?
Like the Pope 😂
@@julm7744 It is expensive in two cases: 1 if the line of descent is broken for many generations and therefore you have to get the records of all your ancestors and maybe you rely on a lawyer or agency to do it; 2 if to speed up the work instead of going to the consulate or embassy you go directly to an Italian court and therefore you have to travel to Italy and live there. Otherwise if you rely on the consulate, you already have the documents of your ancestors and it is ok for you to wait a few years it doesn't cost much.
Yes, beecause Italy needs young bodies more than any other country
@@Rowlph8888 The key is young bodies that are net tax contributors. A million young Somalis won't benefit Italy
Your GDP figures are wrong. The number you quoted for Mayotte was from 2001. The most recent GDP figures from 2019 is US$10,850.
Their average income is 2600 euro/month, better than Hungary's 1290.
To be more realistic, their median income is probably lower, but Hungary's even more so, our median income is only 730 euro/month, while their's seems to be a bit over 1300 (though I couldn't find recent english data about that). And they have this with 60% of our gdp/capita.
@@airtale8725 True, though in terms of quality of life I would say Hungary is still higher. The infrastructure on Mayotte is so atrocious the French government stated in 2011 when integration happened that it would probably take 30 years for things to equalize with the mainland.
Might be nominal is 3300
@@fredleung616 Majority of Hungarian villages are the same in infrastructure, but worse in other terms.
this video has a few factual issues, he lists Australia as a country with birthright but it was changed to by blood in 1986, nearly 40 years ago lmao.
note Mayotte has a GDP per capita roughly 10 times that of Comoros thanks to French development assistance. No wonder so many Comoriens are eager to leave their independent country to try and give their children a chance at being French.
Exactly!
Sounds like France should spend a few bucks in Comoros. Would be cheaper and less time consuming likely than coming up with various schemes to deal with undocumented migrants from Comoros.
@@gabrieljean-batiste2006 I don't disagree with you on that.
@@gabrieljean-batiste2006 lol they wanted independence and they got it. now they also want benefits? fk outta here
@@tamaz894 Comoros GDP per capita tripled in 20 years. You wanting to see France as an evil exploitative country dosen't make it so. What listening services, to spy on Madagascar or Comorros come on these are small potatoes.Sure mayotte's not as wealthy as metropolitan France yet but it's moving in the right direction and quickly. if Mayotte is a failed state I can't iamgine what that means for literally any of its neighbours.
It's also important to precise that Mayotte is the French department where the crime rate is the highest... and sadly lot of the time from Comorian migrants that consider Mayotte is Comorrian and not French, so they don't even consider themselves "migrants" and consider the Mayottes's population who want to stay in France as "colonizers" or "supportive of the colonizers" where the crimes are becoming easy
This territory should be independent, there’s nothing to do with the western culture.
@@DGPPhysics well yes, but the plot twist is that, Mayotte refuses to be part of Comorros, they prefere full independance, but actually, UNO prefer integrating it with Comorros or France than full independance because they don't want more nations + nobody really cares about those islands. Comorros would invade the island and make it Comorros island n°4, nobody will defend Mayotte just like nobody defend islands n°2 and 3 in 2002 when Comorros exploded, island n°3 even requested France to be re-integreted but France refused.
The subject is very complex and so the only good way would be for France to litterally buff to the max the island and then making it independant but nobody in France would accept that + nobody would even think that
@@DGPPhysics I'll preface that I'm very pro self-determinations, but if I'm not mistaken the territory did vote to stay as part of France, and the Comoros did not.
I think they should continue to be given the right to decide whether or not they want independence, but if they decide to stay part of France, that is also their right.
Well they wouldn’t be wrong about the French being colonizers and mayotte not belonging to the French.
@@Cricrithezar yes, France do often referundums since 1974 (I think last one was in 2010) and you can easily find the results on google, Mayotte always said yes to stay in France, but we must be honest by admitting lot of Moyotte people want independance, despite being a minority
As a Frenchmen who has relatives in Mayotte, i totally support this
😂
As a latin american, i support the independence of French Guiana.
@@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031But do Guyaneses want independence?
@@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031The French Guyana people don't, your opinion is worthless
Who the fuck are you to tell the people of French Guiana to want independence, when they don't want independence?@@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031
Mayotte is not a french colony, the population has repeatedly expressed by referendum the wish to remain in the national fold and adopt the status of French department.
In practice, France colonized this place and the extreme right wants to maintain a white majority. It feels like we really have gone back to the world before 1945.
Euphemism
@@asif_avi not an argument
If I have a hat on my head, do I get to make everyone call it a "cap" every time?
Colonies are not defined by wether the people in the colonies are supportive of it
btw, I would have to do a refresh on Comoros / Mayotte history, but before the French colonization, Mayotte had been conquered by Comoros and from some things I did read, it was pretty brutal and there is still resentment, hence why Mayotte voted to stay as a French territory when independence was voted by Comoros and why it was a resounding yes (in addition to the obvious economical and social benefits) to become fully integrated...
and given how the local population support this kind of action and any kind of action to reduce the (illegal) immigration from Comoros, the politics traditionally opposing anti immigration policies are a little annoyed... doesn't keep them from talking against it, but well, it's hard going the overwhelming majority of the local population or to paint them as racists/islamophobic since they're ethnically and faith wise, the sames peoples
This is ignoring what's actually going on, this is just to test the waters and see how feasable removing the right to soil in the entire constitution is... getting rid of the right to soil is going to be disastrous for France due to climate refugees coming to the country with them and their children filing paperwork to get citizenship, and while they don't have it they'll be exploited by employers looking for cheap labour, thus driving down the wages of the entire country, this'll collapse public spending due to the cost of processing paperwork, the increased strain on public services due to the larger population compounded by the lack of tax revenues due to employers hiding undocumented workers while filing taxes.
It's more complicated, In the early XiXe century The Comoros island were ruled by different Sultan and Mayotte was ruled by a sultan who was ethnicaly different from the others sultan, so the others unit for beating him up, so Mayotte sultan asked help from France who propose protectorate, in the next decade France managed to buy from sultan the rest of Comoros. For the independance vote Mayotte vote for remaining unlike the others island because they were more assimilate to french culture, they were more swahili and madagascan influenced culture but they liked french governement in that time (wich is weird considering the reality of it but whatever, Im not a Mayotte black inhabitent in the 70's) and because of the long distance between Moroni and Mayotte they feared the political distance from the others comorians and them.
Well you can be muslim and be against other muslims. Check the sunnits/chiites conflict for ex.
Same, being black doesn t prevents you from being racists, even against other black people.
@@etienne8110that's why they move to Christian countries and try to blame Israel for everything
They hate themselves too
Mayotte was tha slave réservoir of other neighbouring islands indeed
If anyone is wondering. This law is hugely endorsed by the people of the isles. Mainly because for years people from africa have been coming to the isles to get their papers and leech off the system.
That’s what they get. Why the hell do they have territory in Eastern Africa? This is onyl karma
Do you think the french are there for charity? Or leeching of africa? The real question is why does France have territory abroad.
Nobody said neo-colonialism would be free james
@@Baerock Prestige mostly, same reason why USA or China seek to colonize the Moon or Mars.
Not everything is about money.
@@makeytgreatagain6256 What karma ? We just made an island 10x richer than the others, we don't care, our life is still insanely better than the African ones, that's why they all want to come here;
This is the first time i hear of Jus Soli being more "anglosaxon", like every single country in the Americas uses Jus Solis, and most are former Spanish colonies, which you'd think would follow the "Roman" model but they dont, while several anglosaxon countries DONT follow Jus Soli. Its more of a New World vs Old World divide.
This was really great and informative. Thank you
The right of the soil has issues and has been abused in recent years. birth tourism has been a thing for decades
The entire concept is stupid, there are better ways to ensure peopl that have been born and lived in a country for their entire childhood can become citzens without simply allowing birth tourism, anyone that argues otherwise is a liar.
It's very bizarre, countries that invaded half the world complaining about this.
@@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031non sequitur
Canada has birth tourism. Pregnant women just come in to Canada to give birth and then leave soon after. It’s straining the healthcare and social welfare systems. There must be some restrictions to the right of soil such as the parents or children should be residents of that country for atleast a few years before the child can receive citizenship.
@@ladymorwendaebrethil-feani4031 Every country in history has invaded other nations/tribes, killed the men and enslaved their women. The only difference is how far you have to go back in history to find the most recent example. The countries you are trying to shame are the ones that put an end to such practices once and for all, and if you had any clue about history, you'd know former British colonies are usually better off than their French or Arab counterparts, which is why Britain has the commonwealth whereas France fought against their colonies' independence as recently as in the 1980s, and the Arabs only (formally/officially) ended slavery in the late 20th century. So please educate yourself before pointing fingers over historical events you know nothing about.
The Mayotte people should have their voice heard.
Thanks I never even heard of Mayotte,yet I knew about Comoros sonce a kid thirty years ago
You forgot about Marigot in Saint Martin, FWI
Australia abolished jus soli in the 1980s with one edge case. Children born in Australia becomes citizens on their 10th birthday if they have been "ordinarily resident" in Australia for their entire lives (ie, 10 years). Being 'ordinarily resident' allows the person to leave Australia just as any other member of the community might, eg, for a short holiday overseas.
Move to French territory. Put a kid out and congrat here is your paper!
This practice had to end. You can't have nice things if peoples are abusing the system
The UK doesn't have citizenship by birth, yet it's made completely pointless as our government accepts everyone at its own expense.
I assume the French state is going to pay billions in historical reparations to these territories first then? You can't have nice things if people are abusing the system.
@@nomoreheroes93 in reparation for what?
@@nomoreheroes93 what an insane comment. Are Italy(rome) north Africa (barbry States) going to repay France? are the Iroquois going to repay the Chocktaw? Will Turkey pay reparations to Greece?
@@Dances-st6id Muh colony
Interesting topic. To be honest, I had never heard of Mayotte before.
Madagascar is watching everything unfold from a distance.
Doesn't France always say that those oversea territories are not colonies, but real parts of France? How can there be different rules then?
This is why a constitional reform is needed to implement the law. Right now Mayotte and metropolitain France have the exact same law
Only 5 of France's overseas territories are considered France proper: Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana, Reunion and Mayotte.
@@BlunderCity That's right! French Polynesia and New Caledonia are territories and have a territorial council and chamber of representatives which can pass local laws; very different from a departement which is supervised by a prefect and obey to national laws !
Because they're completely different territories with completely different contexts from metropolitan France. "Same flag same rules" is a dumb ideological argument that makes no sense in the real world, any large Empire lets its regions have some form of independence to rule their territory according to their needs.
They are not colonies anymore, because they chose to remain under French flag after the fall of the empire: French soil still.
But then, one cannot make just one set of rules for a country where the sun never sets. Sometimes, somewhere, the Constitution needs some fine-tuning.
France is starting to panic, about how many citizens are allowed into their countries as are the parliment in Britain...
Funny thing is that the colonizers are now afraid of the consequeses of their own invasive past lol
not so fun when the tides have turned 😆
The people of Mayotte are colonizers? Are you drunk by any chance?🤡@@The-Cat
@@The-Catyeah because colonisers brought civilisation and now immigrants bring crime and poverty
Correction: Mayotte is starting to panic and pressed the red button. Hence Wambushu op and so on. See how deeply rooted the problem is.
And for good reason: it's been years this territory has been having dramatic insecurity and illegal immigration issues, in a scale the rest of French soil never met. As per soil ratio obviously.
you don't know your subject...
it's just that Mayotte is geographically too small to support this situation.
It is not you who suffer but the inhabitants of Mayotte.
as if the EU and France were seriously fighting against immigration. 🤡🍿😂
do you live on the Moon? or in Great Britain perhaps? 😂
>be a colony of france
>demand independence
>migrate to the island that remained french
lmao
The migrants might not be the ones that wanted independence. They might have not even been born yet when Comoros got its independence.
@@seneca983 Hum no, most of elder comoran people from islands out of Mayotte have french citizenship given before the independance when Comorres was fully a french territory
It was the same as with Brexit and other divorces. Some populists wanted to put SOVEREIGNTY into a golden plate and no one asked how that would nourish me and my family.
New Caledonia was near becoming "independent", too - with MASSIVE Russian propaganda and Russian soldiers who wanted to build a big base there. Was narrow, but they remained French. Sadly Caledonia is missing as French territory in this video 😞
Back in time we used to call them DOM and TOM - Départements d'Outre Mer - with rights as any French département (and NOT region, big mistake in this video!), and TOM - térritoirs d'outre mer). There are no more TOM anymore, just DOM ;-)
@@CaribouEno "Caledonia is missing as French territory in this video"
It's a "sui generis collectivity" since 1999.
@@adriench.7148 Did they (i.e. the ones who have come to Mayotte or want to do so) in favor of independence for Comoros or for staying as a part of France?
Why was that ever even a thing?
Right of soil might have been good idea 100 years ago. Right now we should have proper bureaucratic channels for reciving citizenship. As a EU citizen I think we should have common eu rules on receving citizenship and asyllum rights.
Indeed. That passport buying especially.
Only eastern europeans (including poland) refer to themselves as "european" lol. Just stay in your shit, us westerners will keep our sovereignty and control the EU.
@@sciencefliestothemoon2305 Me thoughts exactly. Love malta, but that passport buying thing needs to stop.
It's funny how it's always eastern europeans who refer to themselves as "european". Just stay in your hole, us westerners will keep our sovereignty and keep control of the EU.
ha ha haaah !
Why Comoros wanted independence if they now want to migrate in France?
They could stayed french but even now they want independence but want the France money. The situation is just stupid.
you basically described immigration
they usually explain this as a revenge against french colonialism
@@Paul-nl7wk Revenge for letting them independent?
This is exactly the main problem, those countries wants to punish good behaviour. China on the other hand, never gets problem because they never let people talk, just keep the oppression until no one is here.
White guilt is to be the only ones that ended slavery ffs. Those who still have slavery never guilts.
@Paul-nl7wk That is not why immigration happens though, it happens for multiple reasons the colonisers themselves are responsible for. First off, the political instability of the region, it boils down to how sudden decolonisation was, when you abruptly give a people used to being ruled over by a dictator democracy, they'll elect a dictator, see Weimar Germany as an example. Second is climate change making the area unlivable, no wonder people there wanna leave. And Third, the colonisers are still colonising, just not through direct rule but private companies and economic handcuffs now and preventing the local population from getting richer as it'd give them weight at the negotiation table, let's also not forget straight up paying off the head of state to keep the status quo.
Comoros and Mayotte were *not* Departments of France back then. That status was given to the latter much later.
They want their cake and eat it too
Weirdly my grandmother was born in France and her grandparents were born in France but they weren't French citizens nor should she. Because her ancestors moved to France in the 1700s she wasn't guaranteed to have French citizenship.
But weirdly enough in the in the US we actually use both either you have to be born on American soil or through the legs of our American mother because that's how I got my natural born American citizenship even though I was born in Andorra. I got American birth certificate and everything once I came home.
My dad was born in Germany but got natural born American citizenship because both of his parents were American citizens. My grandfather was in the military and happened to be stationed in Germany when my dad was born.
In the 1700s France was still a kingdom. This idea of jus soli exist since 1804 (french revolution idea) but wasn't truly apply until the 1850s. Now if you are born in french mainland you will get the french nationality if you have one french parent or if you are born here and you lived more than 5 years. A part of my family got their french nationality like that in the 1950s (they fled Spain).
Doesn't make sense some aspects of the story here are obviously missing like papiers loss, listing profs due to war or born in à colony while not beeing french (probably this as most of the settlers in North African under french protectorat or colonization(Algeria) were from iberian peninsula
Being born in Andorra is so cool to me lol
Ah yes, TLDR business, my favourite channel
Interesting how the french citizens didn't need to decide on a refendrum whether they want to extend their country borders.
Such a trivial change some politicians can decide on their own.
Excuse me, what are you talking about? Extending country border?
@@lizziemallow He's talking about how the Frenchies didn't get to vote when France decided to colonize.
😂😂😂@@dyausium2709
@@dyausium2709
because it wasnt a democracy🤡
@@smal750 reyal
This law comes about 25 years too late.😐
So effectively France has given up on its hundrredss of cultural integrattion and adoptted multiculturalism - the Anglo-Saxon way?
25 years ago, the left was still something. and now it's over.
Actualy, I think it's a false solution or a very partial one let's say. The stupid thing was the referendum in 1976, and then the one in 2009. What should have been done is just abandon this territory and all the problems related to the inextricable fact that Mayotte is close to the Comoros.
Well done 🎉🎉🎉🎉
The question answers itself
Comorians want to be independent, but deprived of everything, they would also like to enjoy the benefits of French nationality. The Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Comoros, applied for French nationality in 2000, he owns a residence on the island of Reunion, he is now prosecuted by the French court because he is suspected of having received € 250,000 of undue social assistance. The problem of Africa does not come from the former colonial powers. It comes from undemocratic governance supported by China and Russia who organize the looting of resources, with the complicity of corrupt local elites.
Comoros wanted independence and got it. They made their bed. They should lie in it.
It's one of the most ignorant take that I've ever seen, are you not aware of the conflicts in west Africa?
"It comes from undemocratic governance supported by China and Russia who organize the looting of resources, with the complicity of corrupt local elites."
Wich is a thing that has never happend before in the history of the African continent, ever.../s
But yes, Monroe Doctrine-type stuff seems to not be great for foreign policy.
All the conflict in West Africa are literally Russian made and backed by Wagner troops@@pride508
China never did anything in Africa
Except building roads train schools etc
living in poverty and making 5 or more children and then blaming the world for not having enough food to feed them man i dont understand people
I do exaxtly do
The number of children per woman is directly link with the level of education. No education = lot of children
hmm.. you see you almost had a gotcha moment...but fail to realize that living in poverty probably is a good sign that there is no access to condoms and or birth control also lack of education on how the reproductive system works in the first place.
kids can help work simple tasks in undeveloped economies. 5 or more kids per female was super common in practically every country before they industrialize. the problem now is that the countries that have already industrialized use their leverage to extract the already meager wealth from those that have not
Well that's france's problem for still having colonies so far away from their own territory.
Too late. Mayotte is already lost to Barbary.
From what I see GDP per capita in Mayotte is 9978 euros not 3340$
stats are from 2001
TLDR ironically lived up to their name and didn't read the modern figures.
So Comoros votes for independence and quelle surprise it does not work out, so now the citizens want back in. Perhaps they should have a referendum for rejoining. In all but a few cases, we see independence from the evil colonial masters being worse than self-management, especially for the poor.
France dumps money in Mayotte
France typically BANKRUPTS countries who DARE to demand their right to reclaim independence.
@@Seth9809over seas territory allow france to opperate wider range
I am referring mostly to Comoros, but Mayotte asked for a degree of autonomy.
That would be very hard... because for France to receive new territories, the whole EU would have to vote... so it's pretty much impossible. These old French colonies should be very happy they are somewhat still part of France. I think if the migration pressure continues to rise, Europe will close it's borders.
On Dec the 22nd 1974,an independence referendum was held in the Comoros. Three islands chose to become independent with 94.57% voting overwhelmingly to be independent..... Mayotte however voted by 63.8% to remain part of the French Republic. The Comoros has been plagued by economic malaise, coups, corruption and religious extremism. Mayotte on the other hand has done better. Why would the people of Mayotte want to join a failed country??? I am an African woman myself and we as Africans have failed our people and continent. Look at how a blackwater official describes the rulers as criminal syndicates and that the solution is recolonisation.what an embarrassment for us as a people.
Too late is better than never... But too little too late 😮
Wow its almost as if mass immigration is a bad thing 🤯
almost as if France never done that themselves
Wow, it's almost as if it's happening because of the climate change we caused and now we have consequences to deal with 🤯. mass immigration will not stop, it cannot stop, and anyone saying it'll stop by stripping immigrants of rights is not doing so to stop immigration, but to have a class of workers with less rights to exploit for cheap labour.
@@phillipanselmo8540
Where did France mass migrate to?
@@user-ds8rj2vc4vLouisiana, Quebec, Jersey and Britannia, to name a few
I think that it’s fair. Jus soli is too easy to abuse. Now, let’s just hope that they can get it done.
I dont think it was fair to be colonized and abused
@@patrickbateman1660 Debatable. In any case, I’m talking about the proposed laws here.
@@patrickbateman1660 they were ruled by arabs before the French. do you think their islamic courts are local traditions? With a GDP per capita 10 times superior to Comoros it's frankly ridiculous to say the French period abused the territories. Think how low they would be without French institutions and technologies.
@@patrickbateman1660 you do know that colonies brought order, and when the colonizers left that the native people drowned in corruption in most places, right?
also i dont think its fair to come to french, live off welfare despite never putting any money in the system. and now?
@@patrickbateman1660 life is not fair, nothing more.
If the residents of Mayotte agree, why should the other French block it ?
Because it needs to amend the constitution (heavy process), and there's fear of some slope effect (removing soil right everywhere).
Because these other french are leftists, and as leftists their opinion is more important than the opinion of the entire rest of the world
Cuz Mayotte is part of France not autonomous region mean their population is part of France so all of french populations need to vote not just them
That's how a country works?
France is not a confederacy.
With that said, 73% of French people support the move. It really isn't that controversial, except for some immigrants and deluded leftists.
@@MrLuchenkovThat's not how "a country" works. That's how the French system and mode of government works. Quite different statements.
Should've never been the case in the first place
It's not done yet !!
So that's what Latin sounds with a ridiculously heavy English accent^^
Only saw the first 4 words of the title and got super excited for a second
Ha those optimistic titles are all clickbait, same with politicians making speeches about reducing immigration in europe and then achieving the opposite
Blue in Lakota "thó" is like the first part of the Navajo word for blue "dootłizh", (your pronunciation is not always accurate perhaps but even though we spell it with the "d" letter, it comes out the same when spoken) I wonder if we borrowed it somehow.. and tłizh made it a compound word for Navajo .. only more fluent people in Diné Bizaad than I might see the connection. But I noticed this right away. As for lake : be'ek'id, tooh, tó siyíní, are some words in Navajo but if you parse they your Lakota example and the Navajo examples I've given there is consistency of sound associated with the sentence you gave. Lakes ARE usually blue in this part of the world. And that tó, doo sound for blue and associated with lakes and water in Navajo (water is tó , łizh means a liquid excrement or body fluid like pee, so it's not unlike our sensibilities to see a relationship between the sky crying or peeing and pooling to make a lake that's blue. The interesting take away is I see a relationship sound wise between Lakota and some Navajo words.
I know I may sound petty but it’s Ius SoliS with the S being emphasised, not silenced
Hope that helps :)
Mayotte has been an issue ever since the other islands of the archipelago took their independence.
Mainland pours loads of money into the island (who lets be clear doesn't have much of a purpose except military projection).
And people from the neighbouring, far poorer islands flood the french territory.
It's a huge pressure for people living there, as well as a massive source of insecurity.
I hate having to cave in to Right Wing leaning decisions, but in this case, there is no good outcome.
I do find it immensely ironic, that a lot of African countries berate France for being a colonising force... But also have a lot of their countrymen seeking passage to France.
Can't have the cake and eat it too.
The ones who want to have their cake and eat it too is people like you who want this law. You want a colony in africa, you accept the consequences. The only fair option is either changing the law for all of france, or kicking mayotte out of france, otherwise, you're treating mayotte as a 2nd class territory
There are better solution than removing the democratic rights of citizens 🤦
liberals be allying with fascist instead of just making better pragmatic economic reforms
Why did Comoros leave then? Unlike Mayotte
"A lot of african countries berate France for being a colonising force... But also have a lot of countrymen seeking passage to France"
I don't exactly see how this can be considered hypocritical. In one case we have governments criticizing the external politics of another country, and in the other we have citizens who seek a better life in a foreign country.
I criticize the US a lot for the foreign policy it is doing, but it doesn't mean I won't want to live there, the opportunities and liberties far overcome any negative I may have for them.
@wile123456 This law doesn't affect actual citizens at all since children whose parents are already citizens will be citizens as well. The only people getting hurt by this are people who aren't citizens
Fantastic, when are we doing this in USA?
It would require the repeal of the 14th Amendment. Bear in mind that the USA adopted Jus Soli after the US Civil War to legalize emancipated slaves and also gave legal voting rights to all Americans, not just those who own property. So the answer is never.
2:30 whats the deal with new caledonia?
Oh wow ….
The explanation Jus Soli was lacking
Every country in the Americas use Jus Soli, even those which are not _“from the Anglosphere”_
Brazil has received an influx of Russian parents giving birth in the land of Samba, since the kid will have dual citizenship - from Brazil’s Jus Soli and Russia’s Jus Sanguinis
wrong, some American countries don't have unconditional jus soli eg Colombia, DR, the Bahamas, etc.
I still can't understand. A lot of people want independence but at the same time want to be a citizen of that said colonizer. This is getting dumb, they shouldn't have became a independent country but instead, they should have protest and ask for equal representation in the French government.
Watch the vidéo
@@fritoss3437 I am just saying the problems as whole not the video. I am just getting confuse, why they need independence if they're migrating to other countries.
@@esense9602without citizenship you can't access essential services that is expected of any state , since there no independent state to provide these, it's responsibility of french state as they are the main political entity & responsible for population
2 different types of people who are both present in each country. Some are nationalist who think they will have power and will be able to earn more money through corruption in a new independent country. Others are internationalists, who just want to work quietly and earn money and live in a happy democratic society with low corruption
Nobody wants to be ruled by occupiers from thousands of miles away, and a few decades ago living standards were low throughout. People in the Comoros must have been optimistic about their future as an independent country, but unfortunately their hopes weren't fulfilled because of lack of resources and corruption. France has exploited and oppressed its colonies. The fact that they are now investing in their last remaining but incredibly small colonies is an exception if compared with their historical treatment of colonies, and probably also motivated by legitimising their colonialist expansionism retrospectively. Moreover, despite higher living standards, I believe Mayotte is still quite poor compared to Metropolitan France
This is hardly controversial. My country of Sweden doesn't allow birth citizenship unless you have at least one parent who's already a citizen.
As if the question even needs to be asked. SMH
Good reform for both France and the people of Mayotte.
Yes, it will create a difference with Metropolitan France, but isn't it justified given the geography and different history?
The reform is extremely popular in Mayotte.
We should just remove the right of the soil in all of France. It's not even a "republican Ideal" it was instituted in the middle age by a king to attract workers to his domain. Now it mostly attract problems.
It is not a desirable nor a useful policy today for the country, there are other means for people who are genuinely interested in being Franch citizens, or who would otherwise be in danger, to obtain the French citizenship.
@@abadyr_ well, it's a very limited right of soil, if you paid attention to the video. It's not automatic at birth like in America or Canada.
@abadyr_ This sounds right until you remember that climate change is real and that the people fleeing from climate catastrophes are going to Europe. If the right to soil is abolished that means the millions of children born from migrant parents will need to file a ton of paperwork to get French citizenship once they come of age, and processing paperwork cost money and human resources in case your unaware, having so many people file for citizenship is going to be a massive hole in public spending far worse than any EU austerity commandment can achieve. That's not the end though, since they won't have French citizenship they'll also lack legal protection against malicious employers looking to exploit workers searching for any job at all costs, any population of workers unprotected from below minimum wage salaries and workplace accidents will drive down wages for *everyone* else since it'll mean workers with French citizenship reduce profit margins due to requiring y'know, being treated as a human, this will also collapse taxation revenue since unlawlful employers wouldn't declare those workers while filing taxes as it'd tip off the authorities to illegal business practices all the while public services will have even more people to accomodate.
@@spicyfiction4429why should we even give them citizenship? They can't lower salaries if they all get deported
Comoros's Brexit moment. Then everybody leaves to Mayotte.😮
More like independence then brexit
@@sakurakou2009 I'm comparing it to Brexit. I KNOW it was independence. 🇨🇵🇪🇺
You’re missing St-Pierre and Miquelon.
It's always fascinating to see how countries manage their citizenship policies, especially in diverse regions. France's approach to birth citizenship in its African territories likely touches on complex historical, cultural, and legal aspects. It's a topic that encourages us to delve deeper into international law, immigration policies, and the unique historical ties between countries and their territories. Such discussions are vital for understanding global dynamics and how nations navigate their identities in an interconnected world. It's great to see important and thought-provoking topics like this being explored! 🌍✨
Pro tip for the next videos: 90% of what Macron and/or the French government says won’t ever become law. The 10% that will are technical laws that nobody care about.
Macron and the government only have the support a minority in Parliament, have the smallest popular support in the EU, and all oppositions want to make them fall.
So they are absolutely impotent, only left with communication.
Average French towards the end of their Country's Leader's term/regime/reign:
(Wasn't this time he going be different than the rest and an uniter of left and right to make a "stronger" government)
evidently you are not familiar with the amazing French legislative tool that is Article 49.3 : essentially the government can present a text and once they action 49.3 , the text will pass into law as is, without a vote, in 24h. the only way to stop that happening once that begins is for a vote of no-confidence to pass.
that tool has already been used over 20 times to pass huge bills like pension reform under Macron.
@@willywurbler6270There are limits to the use of the 49 3 article. It can only be used once per parliamentary session for non budget laws. A simple law would probably not be enough in this specific case. Some say a constitutional amendment would be needed. If you understand French, I recommend you watch L'édito de Patrick Cohen dans C à Vous from yesterday. He succinctly explains every side of the problem.
@@willywurbler6270 The 49.3 has limits: on non-budget laws it can only be used once a year.
And within nowadays’ context the 49.3 is in no way a legal tool of pressure on the Parliament.
The 49.3 allows the government to pass a law without a vote, unless a motion of no-confidence is voted by the parliament. The government can put pressure on the parliament by stating it will call for new elections if a motion of no-confidence is adopted.
But this blackmail is only serious if the government is credible in its threat of calling for new elections. Macron’s supporter have now 250 seats in parliament but if a new election happens they may at most get 100 seats. So it is clear that Macron will never call for new elections and the 49.3 is therefore totally useless as a threat.
These days the 49.3 is only used by Macron to make unofficial deals with the conservatives. The conservatives and Macron agree on a law or on a budget, the government passes it with 49.3, the conservatives do not vote the motion of no-confidence so they do not suffer from officially supporting Macron and Macron comes out as authoritarian which the conservatives are satisfied with. However this is not a viable move anymore on important laws.
With LR and the RN, Macron and his team can totally reach a supermajority in favor of this measure
My parents were economic migrants to Britain emerging from poverty and they integrated fully, however since I was born and raised my only entitled citizenship was from a country home to my parents that I had never been to or knew anything about for much of my formative years. Even to this day, while I know it should be no obstacle to apply for British citizenship, I moved abroad in my adult years remaining citizen to me a foreign country, while lacking the one in which I had called home my entire life.
Yup. Jus sanguinis is completely fucked up.
@@danielvillalobos7365 Pretty much.
@@danielvillalobos7365 Stupid take, there is no dichotomy between ius sanguinis and ius soli, only teenagers that first heard of the term would think that.
If they were there legally, then why did they never apply for citizenship themselves?
@@My_Old_YT_Account Why should they? They very well could, but they never needed to until Britain left the EU. My parents were EU citizens, they benefited from freedom of movement.
Wow.
Sounds like a reasonable proposal.
Imagine being opposed to something that just sounds like a common sense moderate reform.
We in the French left are opposed to it since this is just a first step towards removing the right to soil from the rest of France (the right absolutely loves this idea and they've been wanting to do this for decades now), which is going to be catastrophic in the coming years as waves of climate refugees will arrive, apply for citizenship and then their children will apply too once they're old enough, in the meantime not having citizenship means that they'll be unprotected from illegal labour practices such as below minimum wage salaries and unsafe working conditions, this will make French workers innatractive to employers and thus drive down wages for absolutely everyone, not to mention employers aren't going to declare unprotected workers on tax forms as it'll tip off the authorities to their illegal practices, meaning that'll be a huge loss in tax revenue for the state on top of the added strain on public services to accomodate so many people. And no, you can't stop the climate refugees from arriving, if you wanted to do that you should have agreed to transition to green energies faster and earlier, now is too late and we have to deal with the consequences of delaying climate intervention.
people who share your beliefs is why france and the EU will drive themselves to ruin. you give it out free money to freeloaders in your country and make it legal for anyone in the world to take advantage of your generous state welfare. No wonder why this way of thinking will bring ruin. @@spicyfiction4429
@spicyfiction4429 at least you're honest and admit you want to open up the flood gates to hordes of refugees who will inevitably destroy your country. But an honest psychopath is still a psychopath
@@spicyfiction4429yes no country should have just soli, actually France doesn't have jus Solis
What the French left wants is to naturalize every migrant to gain more votes and flip the country to have infinite absulute majorities
Ur comments about France having to have full jus Solis because of climate refugees are disgusting, you don't care about ruining your country in order to transform it into a Gaza strip for climate refugees,
@spicyfiction4429 Since you just admitted the migrants are coming either way why wouldnt you do something to hold back the tide? Sounds like you are fine with having your country swamped. Immigration is why despite having a lot of left wing views, I will probably never vote for a left wing party. The American left is just as absurd on the issue of immigration but since we have birthright citizenship in our constitution as well the most we can do is just prevent them from laying foot here and send them back before they have a child.
These reforms are controversial only for leftists, immigrants and high society, the vast majority of french people and the entiere population of Mayotte support this
And a poll came out days ago saying that 65% of french people want to end birth citizenship on the entire french territory
Plantation owner is mad the plebs came to knock at the big house
I wonder why?
Who the heck would oppose this change?
Someone who wants to destroy the French nation and its native population
Anyone with forward thinking. Not only does this do nothing so solve Mayotte's actual problems, those being : absent public services (because the government doesn't want to run them), abhorrent housing conditions, not because there's too many people, but because private companies don't, why would they ? there's no profit to be had, the government isn't building them because it thinks government intervention is bad, next there's the lack of drinkable water, once again the government's job that it's not doing, all this is to test the waters of removing the right to soil in all of France, which is going to be disastrous long term as France will have to welcome millions of climate refugees who will then have children. Notice i said "will", that's because stopping climate refugees is impossible, to them, they go to Europe or they die in desert due to resource wars.
leftists
right of soil is completly outdated
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn Do you think it's acceptable for someone from a completely different culture to travel to another country solely to give birth, aiming to secure citizenship then? Beyond overlooking the societal issues this practice brings, have you considered the health risks involved? Apart from the fact that many European countries are grappling with overburdened healthcare systems, a significant number of these women arrive at hospitals without any prior medical tests or information. I can tell you of a case where a woman from India was admitted to a hospital in a critical state and required immediate surgery, so there was no opportunity to perform necessary blood tests beforehand, which later revelead she was HIV positive, which heightening the risk of transmission to everyone involved (I know such transmission is rare, but it's not impossible). Moreover, because of the urgency, these cases often receive priority over nationals, exacerbating the strain on healthcare services. If someone is born in a country but does not share its culture, and their family has no roots there, granting them nationality will bring problems in the future as we are seeing now, as many such individuals struggle to integrate into society. If someone lives in X country and their family is integrated then ofc they would be consider a national so you have nothing to worry
How is that the problem here? The problem is clearly allowing people in the country, not jus soli, which is moral and fair
@@okene
How is that even moral or fair for anyone? Is it fair for the thousands of rpe victims? Look at Sweden, look at Germany during the New Year. Is it fair for the people who will never integrate and always live at the margins of society? Is it fair for the nationals to bear the extra burden of sustaining the system? How many people are unable to buy houses and start a family; is it fair for them too? Do you know what is moral and fair? It is for people to improve their country and create better conditions for all. Do you think any country in the world can receive an unlimited number of people who don't even share the same values and sometimes hold opposite ideologies? How is that fair for anyone? Grow up. Your short-sighted benevolence would cause more harm than good. Tell me, is Sweden more fair and moral now? For whom?
@@okeneIt is neither moral nor fair, the vast majority of countries have alternative methods to become a citizen that involve having spent X amount of time in the country. In Mexico there is a business for parents who pay to go to the United States to give birth there to give citizenship to their children and then return to Mexico.
@@okene There is nothing fair about encouraging birth tourism, kids that have lived in a place for years getting citizenship is not "ius soli"
I think you put the stresses on all French and Latin words wrong, but otherwise interesting video!
What about it's pacific territories?
100% support this.
Common France W
RARE France W. Have you seen Paris lately?
@@museli_addict France on average has Ws my man
I'm sure this will be a W when we end up with millions of 18 year olds born from migrant parents filing paperwork to receive French citizenship costing the state hundreds of millions, driving down wages as they'd have no legal protection from exploitation, and because they wouldn't be declared on tax forms, reduce the state's taxation income. What if we just didn't allow migrants into the country ? I too, believe in unicorns... climate change is turning Africa inhospitable and the refugees are going to migrate to Europe, living in Europe even with reduced rights (because of far right politicians looking to create a class of cheap labour) is better than living in a goddamn desert, only way your stopping them is with guns and i'm not sure mass murder is popular with the public.
This is not a W, this is a first step to removing the right to soil entirely which will be catastrophic come the waves of climate refugees seeking shelter from the expanding deserts. The parents will come to France, apply for citizenship and so will their children next, while the million of applications are being processed (which will cost millions of euros) those people also do not have protection from illegal labour practices such as worthless wages and lack of safety measures, this will make French citizens less attractive workers due to unprotected workers providing a larger profit margin, thus driving down wages for the whole country and also the state's tax revenue since businesses aren't going to declare illegal employees since it'll get them the boot, add on to that the strain on public services to accomodate a larger population and you've got yourself an explosive concoction ready.
@@spicyfiction4429France shouldn't be giving citizenship to everything tht moves
big W
The speakersays that there are 5 overseas French territories namely Mayotte,French Guiana,Guadeloupe,Reunion and Martinique. But he forgot to mention New Caledonia,Polynesia, St.Pierre & Miquelon as well
They are not departement but territories. So they have a lot of autonomy (In Wallis and Futuna there are still hereditary monarchy for example)
Too late
I doubt this measure will deeply change the fact that people want to emigrate there anyway because there's a higher living standard in Mayotte. The only true solution to this for France is to abandon this territory. Mayotte is as french as Zimbabwe.
AH! Tell that to the non foreign born locals.
They arent exactly dumb they know they are in a much better position than their neighboring Comoros. Forcing them to become indepandant when they explictely dont want for whatever reason is anti democratic.
Hell Mayotte is in such a state where the UN cant complain because the people have the rights to decide their fate and they chose to keep theirs with France
A small correction, this information isn't totally correct. The French minister, Gérard Darmanin, announced on Sunday a constitutional revision to remove the right of the soil/Jus soli (the right of anyone born in the territory of a state to nationality or citizenship) ONLY on the island of Mayotte, and not throughout Africa, all African countries are now independent. In 1978, when the Comoros archipelago became independent, the island of Mayotte decided to remain in the French fold, but due to the great disparity on the social and economic levels with the other Comoros islands, migration on Mayotte is absolutely untenable. To my mind, the right to the soil should be removed from the French constitution in all French territories and not only in Mayotte. Full stop.
Why do you think it should stop?
"to remove jus soli ONLY on the island of Mayotte, and not throughout Africa"
The video never even IMPLIED anything else????
Great idea ! now what is the state going to do with the millions of children that will be born in France from migrant parents and won't have citizenship, because, and idk if you realise it, immigration from Africa to Europe won't stop and cannot be stopped without mass murder. As climate change turns the global south into a searing hot kettle, the people living there are gonna move towards the poles, and it just so happens that the north hemisphere has significantly more land than the south, so that's where everyone will go. Anyone claiming to want to stop "illegal immigration" only want to strip the rights of the incomming migrants so they can be exploited without legal consequences. If they truly wanted to stop illegal immigration, they should have gone ahead with green energy policies, not far right populism.
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn The issue of the right of soil and that of Lycées are 2 totally different things.
Tu peux envoyer ton argent si ça te tient tant à coeur @@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn
They should give back Mayotte to rightful owners Comoros 🇰🇲 problem solved
So what. He's pissed he's getting nothing from them.
Never can fault a government for not causing undue pain and suffering in people's lives.
The right of soil should be definitely removed from the French constitution and not only in Mayotte.
it seems like a good thing, its meant to get rid of "birth tourism" and help the real people of Mayotte keep being the majority on their own island. i don't really see much issues.
citizenship by soil is a pretty bad practice in general, it encourages birth tourism (pregnant people traveling to country they want their child to be a citizen of, and giving birth there) while not providing any clear advantages over citizenship by blood
While they are at it ; they can change the banking rules so that French overseas territories don't have to deposit their monies in French bank but can go to banks that offer better rates. Better yet, might be time for independence movement (but that is for french over seas departments to choose)
Ius soli isn't a french expression, it's Latin.
I thought French citizenship law was like UK where you needed to have 1 parent that has citizenship or legal residency to be born a citizen
indeed , the right of soil ain't like the US it comes if you lived in france for at least 5years and the citizenship is given at 18 years old not at birth
So why did Comoros leave France then?
Because it was a colony, not a territory. Same reason I would want to live in belgium but not belgian congo
Jesus, maybe because they were colonised???
they couldn't see the future. They thought they were poor due to colonisation.
@@potato_nugget But why are they moving to Mayotte then? Was it a territory already back in the day?
@@AlexC-ou4juit's funny because 10 years ago I used to have that ideological belief
Ok, then the island should do likewise.
It makes sense when you’re overpopulated but not by your own race in your own country with finite social resources.
We call these anchor babies here in the US
FRANCE SHOULD HAVE LET IT GO, NOT INTEGRATED IT
They wanted to let it go, Mayotte voted for integration
Why should people who want to stay as a part of a country, be forced to leave and become independent?
@@wegdhass5587 FRANCE WOULD BE BETTER WITHOUT OTHERS...LETS CALL IT - FOUCS
The citizens wanted a french to stay, like it or not.
Mayotte is special because it is near to the African continent. Not only from the Comoros but from other African countries via boat.
In French Guyana (La guyane française) where I am quite often it is a bit different. It is difficult to get in via Suriname - border controls are on an EU security level - or via Brazil - where the wages are not lower than in French Guyana. So there is no immigration pressure. In the opposite, many try to get a work visa for Brazil.
And for Mayotte - if you get a residency permit for Mayotte and you stay five years with no criminal record and no tax debts, you and your children can become French citizens.
Yet, the Brazilians are pouring in. It's becoming quite a problem because many are there for the illegal panning of gold in the national park. France needs to deploy more combat troupes because no one wants Brazilians gangs gaining a foothold in an EU territory.
Time for Mayotte to become an independent country.
Is there a movement for that? Also what about New Caledonia these days? It's a mess.
Why did this practice ever exist in the first place?
votes and policies have consequences, they will find out
inherited from the French very old history and never rescinded despite the revolutions...
at a time when travels means allowed only peoples from a neighboring country or "rich/skilled ones" from further afar to travel easily, it wasn't a real problem because we were culturally close and the new comers were isolated from their home country so they had to integrate
nowadays, it's way easier to travel and to keep in touch with your home country. Peoples from further afar come and can go back to visit often and can communicate easily... meaning there is no imperative to integrate, meaning they keep their "cultural habits"... in some ways, it's goods... in some others, who want people to import their backward thinking (Talion laws, women are properties, the priest/imam/rabbi word is law etc etc) imposed in our own country?
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn yikes sweety, so much too unpack here
@@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn french were lazy to fix it, anyway self inflicted
@kolerick Yikes, there's so many half truths and outright lies in here that i don't know where to start... it wasn't inherited from old history "despite" the revolution, the right to soil was a fundamental policy of the revolution and the following republics at large, as for your integration point... the "backwards thinking" your talking about only exists within religious extremists, the vast majority of migrants share the same values that the French republic does since those are values all humans want. It's even been documented that the media will pay the people of poverty stricken neighbourhoods to act in provokative ways on camera because otherwise they'd have nothing noteworthy to film, i'm not saying what your describing doesn't happen, just that it happens on a vastly lower scale than you portray and is contained to sporadic right wing communities which happen to share many ideas with the same right wing politicians who use them as pawns, those politicians being rather hush hush about that.
This is such a long overdue move. Make citizenship desirable again
Give Mayotte a self rule to hell with colonisation
What heritage are European-South Africans, European-Australians, and European-New Zealanders proving? Colonialism?