Shai Gilgeous-Alexander Should've Won MVP This Year
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- čas přidán 13. 05. 2024
- We have a brand new episode of Road Trippin' dropping tomorrow morning. In this teaser clip, Richard Jefferson and Channing Frye discuss why they're still bothered by the MVP vote going to Nikola Jokic (The Denver Nuggets) and Shai Gilgeous-Alexander / SGA (The Oklahoma City Thunder).
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Luka Dončić this season:
• 34/9/10
• 1st in points
• 2nd in assists
• 73 point game (4th highest ever)
• First 33/9/9 season in NBA history
• Most 30-PT TD’s since MVP Russ
• 1st in 25-point games
• 1st in 35-point games
• 1st in 40-point games
• 1st in 45-point games
• 2nd in 3’s made
• Top 10 in steals
• 61.7% TS
• Highest scoring season in Mavs history
• Most PPG + RPG + APG since the merger.
• Most consecutive 25 point triple-doubles ever
• Most consecutive 30 point triple-doubles ever
• Lifted Mavs from 11 seed to 5 seed
• Most games missed by teammates among all playoff teams
• Mavs 50+ wins
• Mavs 1st in clutch win%
• 6th best record in entire NBA
Sga averaged 31 last year, similar assists, rbs, and shooting % they were 40-42… OKC didn’t get 17 wins because of him, they did it with additions, team defense, and 3 point shooting. Jokic produced more offense and rebounds for a team that was getting everyone’s best shot, on the spotlight, and ended up with the same record despite their second best player missing 25+ games… like what we doing?
yea not really
Lmao how are you saying they don’t win because of him when jokic stats dropped too. Again his team is 2nd youngest and went from the 10 seed to 1st. It’s lazy to say they didn’t make that jump because of him. This year that team would be nothing without him. Jokic of course is the better player but to say they didn’t get better because of SGA is foolish and you shouldn’t talk basketball.
What additions?? Only player they added was Chet and wallace
@@thomaschapman6088 he had the same stats and they finished with a 40-42 record, what did he do to add those 17 wins? Also I’m not saying he’s not a big piece of their success, but to say he’s a big reason and he carried them means people didn’t watch the games. Also Jokic is a bigger part of Denver’s success than Shai is OKCs, and the numbers show it.
@@benson5750 so Chet should prolly get a large chunk of that “success pie” since Shai did the same last year and the team was trash…
Lmao. Nuggets had same record, Jokic had better stats, Jamal missed 25 games. If this wasn’t his 3rd, it wouldn’t even be a discussion. We know why y’all pushing this agenda lets keep it a buck here 🤷♂️
Joker had much more veteran help and that makes a huge difference to success. SGA did it with rookies.
So according to Channing if you are so consistently great that it becomes boring, you don't qualify for MVP over the "new" guy
He’s just talking about mvp has been handled in all years prior. Almost every year has been awarded on narrative, and it’s almost never been strictly on who’s the best. Jokic is the best player & all candidates are deserving, but the nba/fans/media changed the rules this year & it screwed shai
What's Jokic narrative then? And why do they keep giving it to him? He's in a small market, he doesn't care about the media nor the MVP and still they give it to him!
Jokic has no ties to the media to influence the votes. It's all based on numbers and merit.
sga should have had it this year. jokic should have had it last year. there's a long long history of awards being wrong. lebron should have more. mj should have more. it never ends.
Jokic's stats are way better and they have the same record. There is no debate
Jokic:
- 10th in PPG
- 13th in Steals
- 1st in deflections
- 3rd in APG
- 4th in RPG
- 1st in PER
- 1st in Winshares
- 1st in Winshares per 48 min
- 1st in player impact estimate
- 1st in box plus minus
- 1st in on/off BPM
- 1st in Value Over Replacement
- 3rd in offensive rating
- 5th in net rating
- 2nd in amount of triple-doubles
- 2nd in amount of double-doubles
- 2nd in FG% within players that average over 25ppg (almost 60% from 10-14 feet away from basket!)
- Epic game winner vs. Golden State
- Tied for best record in the West
- No all-stars in his team
- No Jamal Murray for 23 games
- 1st in amount of regular season games played among players who averaged over 25ppg
- Almost average a triple-double
Shai:
- 1st in PPG
- 2nd in Steals
- 10th in APG
- 20th in RPG
- 6th in PER
- 2nd in Win Shares (behind Jokic)
- 2nd in Win Shares per 48 (behind..you guessed it...Jokic)
- 4th in Value Over Replacement
- 4th in Box Plus Minus
- 8th in Player Impact Estimate
- 23rd in Offensive Rating
- 35th in Net Rating
- 73rd In Double-Doubles
- 0 triple-doubles
- 2 triple-doubles in his whole career!
As you can see Shai only beats Jokic in Steals and PPG. Jokic decimates him in mostly every other stat category under the sun. There's levels to this and Shai wasn't even close. Jokic was so far ahead in the MVP convo that they had to try and make it interesting by including Shai and making it look like he has a chance.
@@2g1c69way to expose yourself as a box score watcher. jesus
@@2g1c69Box score watcher. use your eyes maybe
Right now, Jokic is showing the world that he cares. Timberwolves are getting punished for people saying Jokic shouldn’t have won MVP
MVP should be best player on the best team. it is more of a team award. once we broke the rules giving it to 6th seed russ in 2017, then 3rd seed jokic, then 6th seed jokic, now there is no criteria.
Not always. MVP goes to the person who was most valuble for their team that year. Criteria being if that team was a decent enough playoff team, and their best player had a dominant impactful season. Thats how I see it.
Then, Tatum should have won?
And Booker like 2 or 3 years ago?
The Bad Boys 2 was also leading the whole NBA 1 year. So Rasheed or Billups should have won?
NO. It's not that simple.
MVP should be the player that is the most valuable to their teams success. If you’ve already proven that you have enough help to be a championship team, then your value is likely less than that of say, a guy who takes a bunch of 23 year olds with no playoff experience and who’s primary help is two rookies and a second year player, all the way to the number 1 seed , as well as beating the reigning champs 3-1 in the season. That guy is THE most valuable player to his team. The award isn’t the best player in the league award. What is your value to your team?
@@august6281 yes
Channing Frye: I'm a die hard Jokic fan! but after your argument.... I tend to agree with you! I love the yearly story telling part of the MVP! then Shai... by far... should win it. Joker is the best player... Shai is the 2023-2024 story! :-)
Yea, but it's not just shai, come on, we all know there's multiple reasons, if rj was gonna say chet was rookie of the year for his defense and role as a big man why isn't his importance considered, now aside that chet is like rudy but younger on a scale he lifted up the defense
MVP feels more and more like an audition to be the face of the league. Most Valuable Promotion.
It’s a popularity contest instead of actually being the most valuable player to their teams success.
I mean, you can't say "for me the MVP is this and that..." in terms of criteria. The MVP is the most VALUABLE player in the league. The one that without him, his team would be not terrible almost surely. I think Denver would be much worse without the Joker than OKC without SGA. Also, Both teams ended up with the same record, which supports the case for Jokic, in my opinion.
I do agree that the voters are not consistent over the years, though.
_"OH HELL NO!! No, no, no. Are you crazy?"_ - Priest to Truth
Well at some point they have to stop saying "well this player should have 7" or whatever. So Lebron, MJ, Kobe or whoever got screwed over MVP awards so voters should continue to make the same mistake and not reward the best player? Those same voters screwed Jokic over last year. Get over it.
So, SGA averaged more points and OKC was seed number one with the same rate of W/L 57/25 as Denver, and basically that's it? Most improved player? There's award for that too, it is not called MVP. How about all other stats? You are delusional.
Denver hate is real
I don’t think anyone hates Denver. They’re just acknowledging that Denver is loaded with talent and so it makes it easier for Jokic to put up big numbers because if you double him he’ll make you pay by kicking it out to one of the multiple high level players on his team. Jokic is amazing. No one is taking that from him. He’s just not the most valuable player to his team because even if he was out, Denver would still be a playoff team. You can’t say that about OKC.
@@TheDeven1000yea, but besides mpj almost everyone was on and off and it's not jokic fault, chet holmgren defense was more important than anyother 2ndary component of denver in regular season
So Chet and an improved JDub don't matter? SGA literally had damn near the same numbers last, and they were 40-42. Jokic is a best offensive player in the world. 2nd in TDs and DDs, and leading most advanced stats again. The team also got worse, because Jeff Green and Bruce Brown left. Murray missed 23 games, too.
Fucking funny that you bringing up a rookie and Sophmore player. Watch yesterdays game and you see what Shai’s been doing all season dummies 😂
They should have official "runner-up" title for MVP.
“Some voters are lazy and safe.”
Like Shai is when he flails his arms and head when driving to the basket, instead of actually being strong with the ball and trying to finish and get the and-1?
Dudes a foul merchant. Literally saw him kick a dude in the nuts this year when kicking his leg out while shooting a three. That’s shameless.
Wasn't Channing describing the most improved player at the start of the video? 😂
You give the mvp to the best player in that regular season period.
Understatement
Egg on your face once again. Watch the best player in the world go to work for the 4th year in a row. Constant disrespect is more "boring" than Jokic
I am a huge Luka fan, but Jokic deserved the MVP. Luka gets dinged by having Kyrie next to him though. However, Luka is better than SGA. I posted all of Luka's accomplishments in the comment below this one. It is impressive.
If you were. Lu fan you'd know that the Mavs were heavily injured throughout the season. Kyrie missed 25 games too.
The problem is tv personalities and journalists SHOULD NOT be voters. The voters don’t know real basketball.
So Channing is saying MVP has an element of most improved?
Jokic has 2x more rebounds. About 50% more assists. Plus Jokic sets screens and SGA rarely sets screens.
SGA couldn't even get his team to the playoffs last year.
This year OKC made the playoffs because of Chet Holmgren, who's the true MVP for OKC. Without Holmgren, OKC don't make the playoffs.
SGA can win the MVP next year if he averages 10 rebounds per game along with 10 assists per game, along with 30 points per game.
Jokic sets ILLEGAL screens all the time. And he rarely gets called for it.
wow u are not smart
“Jokic has more rebounds plus he sets screens” 😂😂 dude hes 6’11 center😂
He’s a center! Of course he’s supposed to have more rebounds 😂
theres 100% a case for Jokic to win MVP. this is not it
SGA should of been the mvp
This is by far the worst take on the pod till date, even RJ’s Chet ROTY argument had more merit. Channing is basically saying whoever’s got the best narrative should win the MVP, like what are we doing? Ex NBA players stooping to first take level arguments. Thank the lord the actual voters are objective. RJ calling them lazy and safe while only providing the same 3 stats for SGA’s case endlessly is laughable.
“SGA getting only X amount of first place votes is crazy” - Y’all realise that all the voters cast their picks independently right? They’ve got no clue who the others are voting for, even if Jokic gets all 99 first place votes it wouldn’t be unfair to SGA simply because everyone agreed that Jokic had the better season. There is no collusion or meeting beforehand where they agree portion sizes for votes lmfao.
I had it as Jokic>Luka>SGA. Jokic was the best player in the league & responsible for getting his team one of the best records in the league(Denver & OKC had the same record so that one seed argument is dead) while putting up one of the best stat lines in NBA history. Luka has a case for leading the league in scoring & being the most valuable to his team(the Macs without Luka are picking top 5)
Your fucking username says “DallasAnubis” ofc you would think Luka deserved it as a 5th seed. Tell me what was Lukas team doing before the trade deadline? Dallas fans really fucking forgot 4 months of basketball to help them cope with trying to push an MVP narrative 😂
If they gave it to SGA, he may have come out if the closet, which would not have been good for the association
Luka was the clear mvp
Tyrese maxey was prime example, lazy work
SGA was robbed
SGA was at a disadvantage because the thunder only had like three televised games. And I think we all know that most of these NBA analysts don’t actually watch any games. They just look at box scores and some highlights. I really hope that SGA gets it next year not only did he the youngest number one seed in NBA history, but he did so without any other All-Stars, any other seasoned vets, mostly rookies to third year players. The dude was robbed. It’s because of racism.
That last sentence was a joke
Shai is 25yrs old with no Vets and lead his team of rookie contract guys to the #1 seed in the most competitive West we’ve seen in years and these clowns in the comments are talking shit 😂
After 3 minutes this video gets a thumbs down, and not a finish...
Jokic got it this year because he should have got it last year. It's a make up call.
Agreed. Embid probably should've got it the year before he actually did, so his was a make-up call too.
Jokic:
- 10th in PPG
- 13th in Steals
- 1st in deflections
- 3rd in APG
- 4th in RPG
- 1st in PER
- 1st in Winshares
- 1st in Winshares per 48 min
- 1st in player impact estimate
- 1st in box plus minus
- 1st in on/off BPM
- 1st in Value Over Replacement
- 3rd in offensive rating
- 5th in net rating
- 2nd in amount of triple-doubles
- 2nd in amount of double-doubles
- 2nd in FG% within players that average over 25ppg (almost 60% from 10-14 feet away from basket!)
- Epic game winner vs. Golden State
- Tied for best record in the West
- No all-stars in his team
- No Jamal Murray for 23 games
- 1st in amount of regular season games played among players who averaged over 25ppg
- Almost average a triple-double
Shai:
- 1st in PPG
- 2nd in Steals
- 10th in APG
- 20th in RPG
- 6th in PER
- 2nd in Win Shares (behind Jokic)
- 2nd in Win Shares per 48 (behind..you guessed it...Jokic)
- 4th in Value Over Replacement
- 4th in Box Plus Minus
- 8th in Player Impact Estimate
- 23rd in Offensive Rating
- 35th in Net Rating
- 73rd In Double-Doubles
- 0 triple-doubles
- 2 triple-doubles in his whole career!
As you can see Shai only beats Jokic in Steals and PPG. Jokic decimates him in mostly every other stat category under the sun. There's levels to this and Shai wasn't even close. Jokic was so far ahead in the MVP convo that they had to try and make it interesting by including Shai and making it look like he has a chance.
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