Amazon Get's Torrent Of Emails Demanding They DONT BREAK 40k LORE! + Update On 40k TV Show
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- čas přidán 1. 06. 2024
- Amazon has been getting a ton of emails demanding they not mess with Warhammer 40k lore and that they put Henry Cavill in charge of the 40k TV show. In the wake of GW announcing that there have always been female custodes this clearly has come as a wake up call for Amazon. But what now? Does Amazon stick with it's woke principles and create another Rings Of Power level failure? Or do they take action and create a proper Warhammer TV show at the expense of the female space marines they so desperately want? And what will Games Workshop do?
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They’ll ignore it i reckon, dei waits for no they/them
Idk why, but this hit hard.
@@francis5600 It's the "I reckon" isn't it? Can't think of anyone but a gruff cowboy voicing this assertation of Amazon because of it.
I think they will literally force the female custodes into the main character position and not a space marine, guardsmen or eldar like people auctally want
They will just point at all the already changed lore and say "we are going by the lore"
I imagine they think the prince of pleasure is the good guy.
Since when does Amazon listen to fans?
They don't. Issue was resolved as "out of scope".
They have their own Kathleen Kennedy, until Jennifer Salke is there and in charge they will never stop pushing agenda, they might hide it better like in Fallout but its still there.
Fans they ignore, money lost to them maybe if it looks big enough. Imo at best they just shelf it.
prolly since rings of power floped
@@robitusscyth9486After the custodes we can only hope they cancel the show.
GW needs to lose money and there is no hope it's good, heck even if it is good I'm not sure it's helpful because they'll just change more stuff.
"No, we can't do that. This is extremely dangerous to our DEI."
- Amazon probably
Their ESG score is in the high 40s right now. 50+ is 'extreme risk.' They need to do something drastic, and soon, or else they will lose ESG loans, so don't be surprised if they include a guy in the SoB who got himself gelded, and a woman who winds up becoming a space marine.
@@StupidAnon-gn8ihDon't threaten me with a good time, sinking Amazon and GW together would be a dream come true when they have to beg us to come back.
@@VioletDeathRei "when they have to beg us to come back."
Bud light has shown that these people would rather die than abandon THE MESSAGE at any point.
Amazon already has a fairly sketchy ESG rating so they push as much DEI as they can in their entertainment.
The issue I have with Dei is it fundamentally doesn't need to be as bad as how they do it. It's crazy how they force it in instead of just placing it in.
Cavill deserve his own show after what he have been trough in his career as actor
portrayed by a black gay transgender person. In the Show, "Xenry Xavill" is put down by the white old men patriarchy and fights valiantly against this unfair oppression.
Henry Cavill deserves so much better. It pisses me off how Hollywood has treated this man and now they are fucking around with his childhood passion.
portrayed by a black woman.
Cavill doesn’t bend the knee, so they want to make an example of him.
@@dragonsoldier1829He's a fan, so like every other fan he's sidelined, ignored, and attacked.
Everyone keeps bringing up Rings of Power as the example of the damage Amazon can do to a property, but for the sake of not letting it be forgotten I'll remind people that the Wheel of Time adaptation was just as bad.
If anything, ROP is SO bad that it has destroyed the illusion that canon can be altered.
I do not forget. I'm currently on book 6 in my I've-lost-count-how-many-th re-read of the series. Specifically to remind myself what good writing is after seeing some reviews of season 2 of Amazon's Wheel of Woke.
They made Min a Darkfriend, of all things - supposedly because she wants the Dark One to remove her powers.
For anyone who hasn't read WoT, that's like making Merry an agent of Sauron, out to kill Sam so the Witch King will have a clear shot at Frodo - because Frodo is getting in the way of him buying Rosie's bar back in the Shire.
Raginor continues rafing the source material.
Can we all just admit the best possible thing that can happen to this show, is its CANCELATION!
I never expected it to be released, tbh
There is the hypothetical possibility that they could put Cavill in charge and make something the fans want. It is extremely small, and probably won't exist at all if the torrent of criticism against them subsides, even a little. If they believe that making the show we want is the only thing they can do right then they'll do it.
@@psudobuddhaI don't think it's possible anymore, even the people on the GW side are pushing to ruin it so even if Amazon wanted to do the right thing for the first time in decades
(Which they don't) they might not even have to be the ones to ruin it.
@@VioletDeathRei Don't get me wrong. I understand the black pill; I just refused to take it.
@@VioletDeathRei Im kind of hoping Amazon does force this shit through, Caville leaves, GW goes woke and goes broke. And people can convince Elon to buy it. I know I know its a fantasy.
Fallout as "good" is a stretch... "Less shit than Halo" would be more accurate.
I think what people mean is that it's entertaining. It's sure as hell not Fallout.
People are so used to slop they see that garbage as "good".
More like a Meh show.
@@Smilomaniac It was very much a Fallout. Not sure how far back you go with Fallout and it's tone. The show was spot on. This show was more Fallout then Fallout 4 or 76.
It was a retcon, woke mess. 🤷🏼♂️😂 It wasn’t even better than halo. 😂
there are plenty of female groups or characters they could include without destroying the lore.
“But I wanna play with THAT one!”
It’s like boys can have nothing just for them. Just the toilet and the shed
They are aware, they don't care. The goal has always been to ruin everything you take joy in.
@@thehat4244 honestly im not sure they are aware of it. they barely know the lore of things they like so why would they know lore of something they probably never heard of before.
@@scp2539 Whether they know the lore or not really isn't relevant when a number of the tourists (read "lo custs") have openly stated they want female space marines because space marines are the poster boy and lore be damned.
It is time to stop assuming ignorance and start assuming malice. We have too many dead franchises to assume ignorance.
@@scp2539 They (The left) have openly admitted multiple times now that they are entirely aware of shit like SoB and female characters, and by their own words have said they don't care because they are not "the poster boys" of 40k, and that all the calls for female space marines are nothing more than a power play.
They will make a female ork origin story.
The Krorks were all female all along, and the modern Orks are the result of oppression forcing their true gender to be suppressed and turning them into what is now a representation of the struggles of both trans people and women everywhere. Warboss Ghazghkull is leading the fight for Ork trans and feminist liberation...
Or something like that
Don't you dare make a joke about that they might just do that.
100% they will. And she will perform better than the male ones.
Nah, they’ll make it a trans ork.
@@antitroller101 lol
Putting Henry in the position of managing the show is not enough.
Make them take on a role of being purely the moneybag.
They need to put Henry in charge, and then sit down and shut up. No demands, no oversight, no creative decisions, no marketing strategies. They sit down, put their money on the table, and watch silently.
"You will pay, one way or another." - an unnecessarily sinister statement of fact
That is how it was supposed to be, It was reported he has "full freedom" but we all know "leftists" lie.
Yep. Amazon’s biggest mistake is letting their executives get involved.
Because all their best shows have had no executive oversight.
@@NathanCassidy721 Where and why did this trend start? Executives have an important role to play, but it's not in the micro, but macro scale. They could probably cut executive positions in half if they'd hire competent executives and those execs would quit getting overinvolved in production. Execs should be focused on results, not the steps to achieve the results. That's why the whole role chain exists.
@@df6597 The reason they get involved in the first place is because Executives are egomaniacs with skeletons in their closet.
It could be older than we thought but in the Current Year there are trying to justify their existence because they know deep down they bring nothing to the table. Because their ego wont let them admit that.
And a lot of them did dirty things either to get to the top or let the "success" get to their head and indulge in their vices. In short, they preach as loudly as they do because they have something to hide.
I don't think amazon care about another flop. "The message" is more important for them.
I will eat my boots if Amazon listens to this.
Honestly, i wish i will have to , but i wont hold my breath.
There has NEVER been an instance where woke ideology was pushed out of a show, game, book or company as these people do not care about money it's all about the ideology from start to finish.
To be honest people don’t do this kind of thing enough, all the companies ever hear is woke screeching and people quietly avoiding perpetual woke disasters.
Pre pressure is absolutely worth a try.
@@NerdlySquared hence i said - i wish i was wrong but i aint holding my breath for it
Yes, I want to see Amazon shelve it and throw GW under the bus. After how GW has been treating their customers for decades they more than deserve it.
oh yeah that would had ben hilarious xD whats the matter GW?! Not fun tanking corprate abuse from a bigger dog in the entertainment market than you huh!? rofl would be a spectacular prison-rape scene to behold as Amazon unbuckles and tell GW firmly to bend over- or else.
Let the Amazon - GW civil war commence!
Imagine having to beg a company to not burn its own money
Don’t have to imagine. Hollywood, tech companies, politicians, and more. We’re at an all time high my friend.
@@themanbesidethelighthouse.388 are we? I know to keep fighting against this, but i still prefer seeing more tangible, permanent result than flops
We live in a crazy timeline.
There should be no Custodes in the 40k tv show and Space Marines should be scarce at best, give us Imperial Guard..
Make it a Cain show starring Cavil as Cain. I'm only halfway through the second book but the only appearance of an Astartes has been in a short story as a cameo as Cain passes out.
@@John-kc4cg Cavil as Cain would be brilliant.
Yeah because when people think of 40k they think of the guard. You are as bad as Amazon is, you feel your particular interest is more important than anything else and that everything should be bent to cater to you.
An on the ship, only see fighting every ten episodes. Like BSG 05, and its got a real shot at being a proper hit. Keep it on an Imperial ship(the same sets, reused ad nauseum again, keeping it cheap), no alien make up (just some bruises and scars, maybe a demon for a few episodes), just a handful of stock outer ship glory shots, which are ridiculously cheap now. Take the 100 million and really stretch it out. Make as much out of it as possible.
Build an infrastructure to support any and all revenue the show can generate and above all else. Make it a proper 40k vehicle. They can tell every political story they want. They just have to represent it appropriately.
This could be ground breaking. But we know who we are dealing with now. They made themselves known as well as their intentions.
@@thomgizziz ah yes. suggesting making a more appealing story that superhumans just butchering everyone for 10 episodes straights is just as bad as amazon ruining the lore.
this kind of retard reasoning is why the left keeps winning.
"So going woke has led us to loose a lot of money on LotR?"
"Yep"
"And we receive a lot of feedback, that this WH40K show will be a very costy flop again if we make it woke, right?"
"Yep"
"So we need to decide if want to earn a lot of cash, or do a woke show?"
"Absolutly"
"Oh bugger, that is an impossible choice!"
They receive money from the government and banks to promote the leftist agenda in all their media.
Amazone: The message is more important then money.
Honestly if the series is AT LEAST as good as Hammer and Bolter (in the writing/atmosphere departments, definitely not budget/animation) then it might be a success.
They won't let him do that. They are morally superior to all of us, you didn't know? He can't be allowed to sully the good minds of the public with his ill thoughts.
No, instead you will get their dogma, so that you might find their god, and believe their gospel.
They worship Satan.
That's an appropriate way to put it, since they're, by definition, a cult.
If they are the new Christian then let allah and/or Odin guide my hand.
#bringbackbloodeagles
They can afford the bad PR from a Woke 40k show. Everything and everyone must be sacrificed for “THE MESSAGE.”
These company's get reimbursed for any losses they take as long as they go along with the Marxist agenda.
Amazon had 0 qualms about desecrating LOTR yet 40k fans are deluded enough to think amazon bosses will look at these letters and have an epiphany xD
@@libertinareyYou underestimate the Sheer Autism of us 40k Nerds.
GW can’t. We shall see.
@@Peter_Turbo4 Very true. Can confirm.
9:05 seriously the reason I can't trust big studios is that they can't control the cost production of a series. The World of Warhammer 40K is *HUGE* that you can make a simple series of genestealer insurrection to an epic battle of Titans, all they have to do is scale what the budget allowed and make the series efficiently.
This would only work if they were competent at Amazon.
Do not mistake malice for incompetence, the people behind such decisions want to inflict sickness of the soul, body and mind onto the masses.
@@piercebrosnan9528 Malice is the child of incompetence. They are not mutually exclusive.
@@aj.j5833 They literally hate you and tell you they hate you... This is like if Goebbals went to the Soviet Union in the 30's and asked them to make Germany a propaganda campaign and expecting a positive result...
Good luck trying to make Amazon care about the lore when even GW doesn't.
True
Amazon and GW don't care. The best you can hope for is that the whole Warhammer Amazon deal gets scuttled.
Exactly 💯
No company in the entertainment industry INCLUDING GW/BL is ready to create anything new in the WH universe.
Female space marines would be very new
all this crap is paid by tax money.
none of these companies would put their revenue towards this. none
You're absolutely right that companies would never use their own money for this. Except it's not tax money, it's your 401k and pensions. Blackrock and Vanguard are using millions of peoples' retirement savings to push their agenda. If they succeed their message gets burned into peoples' minds, and if they fail the middle-class loses everything they've set aside through a lifetime of work. Either way then "win".
The problem is that the only character that will be able to survive Amazonification is Ciaphas Cain. Cains stories have the 597th Valhallan mixed regiment. Perfect for that stuff. Down side is that the wokist won't see that as a win since no Tzeentch-stodes and no fem marines.
Just make up an Inquisitor and they can have the gayest, most diverse retinue you've ever seen.
Don't you mean Calopie Cain 💂🏽♀️
@@Marinealver I think you meant Calliope Cain
@@Marinealver If Cavill is the lead, no. If cavill isn't the lead, maybe yes.
Honestly I'd rather them shelve the show I don't want them fucking it up
It is a sad state of affairs, where the best we can hope for, is the existence to cease!
Well, now we might see the moment when Henry Cavill potentially turned into the fandom Ursarkar E. Creed. FANDOM STANDS!
Should we tell him?
About Ursela?
... Wait who hid something actually respectful of the lore behind the script...?
CAVIIIIIIILL !!!
@@Marinealver Ursula? I don't know about any ursula. Ursula didn't exist and so it shall remain!
The Franchise broke before the famdom did.
Well I hope it wont', but still the point stands; fandom loves the franchise much much more than people who actually own the IP.
@@LaifuHaiku Actually, she did. As like, a footnote at the end of Creed's bio-entry in the 5th edition codex.
Look Amazon, you can still have representation,
Black Lesbian Imperial Navy Admiral: OK
Black Lesbian Astartes : Not OK
Non white Custodian: OK
Tra ns Sororitas: Not OK
Highlighting the Brutality of the Imperium: OK
Trying to make Slaanesh sympathetic: Not OK
You mastered Ai speak, I see. Maybe helps if we say:
- Evil rich = good
- Genderswapping characters = Ungood
- Diverse characters = good
- Making up lore inconsistent with existing one = Ungood
"You can take a couple steps onto the slippery slope but don't go too far."
They should make their original gay agenda IP...oh wait no sane paying customer would buy that shit...thats why they try to steal and corrupt an already existing fanbase which is bonkers...the very idea of it is doomed to fail.
Amazon: Black Lesbian Astarties, Trans Sorita?
WRITE THAT DOWN!!!!!
"Amazon heres how you can diddle with my butt, but not too deep ok?"
Let's send in actual physical mail just like we did with the "Warhammer is for everyone" debacle.
Ted, that you?
@@piercebrosnan9528
Sorry, but no. I'm just a random dude who likes Warhammer.
Did it help?
They double down. GW is 'toxic' amongst other things. If they can take GW down the powers the be will push Amazon into action.
Well GW is Toxic
Amazon will 100% ignore the feedback. The amount of people who have Prime only for the free shipping and don't care about the streaming side is orders of magnitude higher than the amount of 40k fans.
i wouldn't say it's 100% considering how much money they spent on Rings of Power and how bad that went. They might not want to sink another large budget when there are already warning signs. If it's another flop, they would have to explain to their investors why they decided to lose money when they had all the feedback not to do so. Tough sell with possible real financial and legal consequences.
So like mentioned in video, it might be enough for them to just drop the project or actually do some correcting.
Yep. That's the brutal truth.
Before the whole bud light thing, I would have said they'd push it out with all their woke nonsense. But after that, and rings of power, and now seeing the sights of the fans trained squarely on their bottom line...my money is on them canning the whole idea. If they decided to actually listen to the fans, let Caville run things, and push out a lore friendly version, it would be a financial success and win a lot of favor for Amazon taking over Netflix and Hulu for shows...but their ideology prevents them from actually making that perfectly logical decision.
Wokeness is a cancer...and their brains are already more tumor than neuron at this point.
Amazon printed them off to save on toilet paper.
I'm fairly sure printer paper is more expensive than toilet paper.
"Save us Henry Cavill! You're our only hope!"
Hope is the first step down the road to disappointment
We are Cavills only hope, we need to make sure Amazon knows what will happen if they fuck this up.
Best case scenario is the tv show goes through development hell and gets cancelled.
That is all we can hope and pray for.
That and maybe Cavil or Musk buys GW and then starts booting the activists out.
I haven't spent a penny on 40k or GW since the fem custodies lie. And as much as I've loved it since the 90s, I will not support it at all until it returns to sanity.
Let's be honest, Fallout had a relatively positive reception because Fallout fans tend to be susceptible to key jangling: "oh look there are ghouls here! look at that Nuka Cola! wow its the Brotherhood of Tin Cans!"
The power of they/them could not be undone.
In amazon's 40K show, Slaanesh will aaaaactually be a good guy and is just misunderstood by the eeeeevil imperium 🧐
I mean thats just what they teach us in biology class at this point. traumatizing
Excuse me bigot, Slaanesh is a good they/them and very beautiful!
@@LordNithilus 😆
Because people make the link between Slaanesh and sexual deviancy, they will deff fuck it up intentionally and perhaps even in the way you just described.
I mean they tried to make communism look good in that garbage fallout show so it wouldn't surprise me.
They MIGHT cave, if they decide that the ideas and general principles that lead to the utte failure of Rings of Power will lose them more money than gain them.
Their entertainment division has to generate a good income SOMETIME. Otherwise it gets axed.
They won't cave they will just try to hide agenda a little, very little better. May wait at least half way in first season to show their hand this time.
These company's get payed for pushing the liberal narrative by the Government, just like Hollywood does, they are re-embersed for any losses. Profit is secondary to people like George Soros and Mark Zuckerberg who already own more money than they could ever spend.
This might make it worse as they will make only a few episodes that are good at best then they will start shoving indentity politics into each episode downgrading the main lead to second support character and at the last season they will show how much they hate the lore and completly burn down the setting.
@@f2pcoder92 That´ll likely be the case.
these types cant help themselves but shove their bad fanfic bollocks into everything.
With utter MALICE
These 'people' are beyond money, it's all about the message now.
This is the hypothetical even Mick Gordon said when he was working in the DOOM soundtrack:
"Any game ost you can be more lax, but the DOOM fans are not going to send you an angry letter, they will burn your house down"
He gave Fallout as an example of a good show? HUH?
I don't watch the show, but from what I heard, normies like it while hardcore fans don't.
I'd say maybe 6/10.
Arch is kinda indifferent when it comes to fallout universe and from a standpoint of lots of people that only got introduced with 4 without playing many previous titles the show would come up as good
its a 7 as a generic show but a 3 as a fallout show. its obvious the old school fallout fans disliked it, it had Todd "lore butcher" Howard as a consultant.
@@lekhaclam87 I haven't seen the show, but the general feel I've gotten about it from the internet is that the less you know about the games, the better the show feels.
Henry should go Stallone style and direct his own movies.
If you think a company that willingly employs Mike Brooks is going to give Henry Cavill any control whatsoever, I have a half smashed bridge to sell you.
Rig it to 💥 EXPLODE 💥 and you have a Deal!
It's interesting the person who sent that E-mail cites lore as the reason he did not like Netflixes The Witcher, yet is perfectly ok with the Fallout show NUKING the lore since they say they enjoyed it. Details I guess *shrugs*
You making assumptions that cater to your feelings isn't the lore being nuked. You literally have to jump to conclusions and then go along with the gaslighting that characters making stupid decisions because they don't know the whole story is somehow the same as lore issues. People have made videos saying that they are going to show all the lore breaks and then mumble about lore for 3 minutes and then go on for 2 hours about how stupid the characters choices are and they know they are stupid because they know the outcome. You can tear apart any decisions if you know everything that happened and have 20/20 hindsight.
@@thomgizziz Mr house knowing about the end of the world literally breaks his entire storyline in new vegas. 🤷🏼♂️ If he knew about it. Why didn’t he have his chip in time? 🤔 Please explain away. ‘It wasn’t ready in time’ doesn’t make sense if he knew about when it would all end, since he was in on it. The only reason it wasn’t ready in time is BECAUSE HE DIDNT KNOW when it was happening. He even states that he had already seen it on the horizon but had no idea it would come to an end so soon.
Mr House, who is obsessed with leading humanity into an age amongst the stars; agreed to help end the world or at the very least was aware of it? Explain. 🤔😂
Why does this even have to be pointed out? 😂🤷🏼♂️ Because you don’t pay attention to the details. 🤷🏼♂️😂
I hope it’s an absolute train wreck so the norms don’t want to touch the franchise and we get our hobby back.
It is being directed for the norms though, GW will be watered down to the point they will be as sterile as my little poney.
its going to get mainstream one way or another. just 40k hads to be mainstream for the idelogical right alone.
they messed up fallout they messed up WOT they messed up Rings
they didn't mess Fallout up
@@Kris.G The lore has been completely rewritten to make Vault Tech stupid evil instead of sinister evil and make sure China had no part in the nuclear war. They messed it up.
@@Kris.G Well, they did, they just hid it under layers of memberberries and excuses of "it is canon, Bethesda is working with them / they own the franchise so it is automatically canon" like the BS design flaw in the power armor that isn't even consistent with the show itself.
@@Kris.G Because rewriting the lore to make Vault Tech stupid evil instead of sinister evil and completely removing the involvement of a certain country in the war that CZcams auto-deletes my comment just for mentioning totally isn't messing it up.
@@Kris.Gin the raw lore
Yeah the UN meeting of the major companies just going lol lmao nuclear war good for stocks
Compared to le new Vegas results in a pretty big contradiction
Not even factoring the stasis system just not being a thing in fallout 1&2 to an industrial thousands of vault patients
The data chip
Ghouls and serums of stabilization
Power armor prototypes having flaws beyond being just a stop gap to T-51s to MK 2
Again I’m not even that big of a fallout fan but I found the script and most of its ideas to be pretty bad
3:50 so amazon knows rings of power are awful... and they greenlit second season that's gonna be no better than the first one.. Damn i wish i'd work as amazons exec. Zero responsibilites, zero cares, zero accountabilities. You failed? Nah, nobody knows it was you. Everyone knows it's "amazon failed". Just fat paychecks. What an amazing job.
They only greenlit the second season of RoP brcsuse they are contractually obligated to 5 season i think.
They were so sure beforehand that it would be a sucess that they made a contract for several seasons not only one.
It was greenlit for another series because it goes against and attacks Tolkien's European based mythos.
@@piercebrosnan9528 Did you follow the news before season 1?
They greenlit several seasons.
So they have to go with it and i hope they loose enough money to learn their lesson, but i doubt that.
@@TheKaos8 Regardless of how many seasons they planned, the point I made remains the reason for even creating the show in the first place.
@@piercebrosnan9528 unfortunatly true...
Using Cavill as a sacrifical Lamb will just turn him into a Martyr.
Only white Space Marines, except you know, The Salamanders.
The Sons of Vulcan are BLAAAAAACK af
Brother Tyronius
If people that have knowledge its really simple..
Add A Squad of Salamanders
Sisters of Battle and Silence
A LOT OF SLAANESHI CULT and they checked thr boxes they want
Anyone who liked the fallout show has their opinion instantaneously discounted. You don’t care about lore if you like that show. What you care about is your personal hobby being ruined, you don’t care when it’s others hobbies being ruined. 🤷🏼♂️😂
I've heard that Henry has been blacklisted in the back channels.
I wonder how red pilled he is becoming because of all this.
I'm a big Fallout fan and I ddin't even bother to watch the tv show. Hollywood apathy sat in 5 years ago. That's all I can say on this topic.
Yeah you didn't watch the show because your echo chamber told you that you'd be a bad fan if you did.
You are like the woke left when they tell each other that everything around them is evil and to avoid it... because if they don't then some people may be led astray of the one true religion.
You aren't a big fallout fan, you are a big NPC poser.
"*i am so proud of this community*"
Amazon will mess it up. They had a wonderful oppertunity with the wheel of time and squandered it. The wonderful growth of Emond's Field in book 4 and 5 that proves multiculturisim is a strength?
wasted to insert cheap diversity early on. The struggle and emergance of a chosen one who the world fears an yet still needs? reduced to a bit player in order to prop up girl bosses who if played as written would have became some of the best females in fantasy fiction.
Nuance and character growth are anathama to modern tv shows. i say bring back 26 episode seasons and slow dow.
worst part about this is. Ya Warhammer in general isn't really doing that well. Their Minis are not being sold due to 3d printing being Drastically cheaper. People in general do not like the way their handling 10th edition. As they did a very poor job at balancing it. where certain fractions are Drastically better then others. Combine with the fact that warhammer video games are not really that common. Sure you got total war and space marine. But ehh anyone hear talking about battlefleet gothic, Rouge trader, Deathwing, mechanicus? No these games just didn't have the staying power to be anything more then a one off.
Warhammer as a franchise is not really that popular. it was kept alive by a dedicated fan base and high prices. where in all honesty their making 10 to 20 times the amount back per model. as in all honesty games workshop probably only spends like 50 to 60 cents on a model pack. as in the end its only just cheep plastic and some paper.
Yup, it is hard to go bankrupt with 15000% profit margins.
Sorry, 16000% profit margins, I forgot about the price increase.
Warhammer video games aren't that common? There have been dozens of warhammer fantasy and dozens of 40k games... more game than most anything gets. What are you high on? Why are fanbois so often delusional and out of touch with reality? Oh you are like the gender people and think your feelings are reality.
Yeah 10th edition was garbage and a sign that GW hates it's fanbase and treats it's customers like shit.
Smart money says scrap the entire project but in my experience huge companies are NEVER smart.
Fallout TV was a crime against humanity
That was basically my F**K OFF message when I canceled my Prime subscription back in the "Rings of Poower" days
Good man
This & the 'Space Marine II' issue going on at the same time. Coincidence?
There are some semi-heated debates going on in the steam forums.
'the lore says this.'
'but they change lore all the time.'
'she was fired/quit a year ago'
'don't let them get a foot in the door.'
'there's no proof the game is gonna be woke.'
yada yada
Oh, they won't break lore. After all, if something goes against previously set lore... it simply is the New Lore (TM). They are doing the same with the Fallout show. "Oh but Bethesda is working with them / They own the IP how can it not be canon?"
This is something I never once understood. They are trying to appeal to an extremely niche group, but not only that, an extremely niche group that isn't even their main consumer of this product, and never has been. This makes absolutely zero business sense as it only serves to hurt them financially.
imagine hoping that the corporation that shat-on tolkien despite the hopeful fanbase, will listen another fanbase plea
1:45 "I am usually used to being royally fucked over by the entertainment industry when it comes to STICKING TO THE LORE".
1:59 "You just made a good thing with FALLOUT, I was actually very IMPRESSED."
The Fallout show shits all over the lore, and if the 40K show is as lore-accurate as that, then we're already fucked.
If you close your eyes and imagine the new fall out show taking place in some place the games haven't covered yet, it's at least tolerable.
Is it too late to save the Warhammer IP? Can Amazon go bankrupt now?
Yes it is as both games workshop and amazon are holding it hostage and will try to milk the ip until its dead all the while inserting woke bullshit into the show for that dei money.
Amazon itself will Never go bankrupt. Their entertainment division however...
@@Halfort57 sure they can, nothing is immortal .
Right now that would require the entire Global Economy to go DEFAULT
Warhammer IP will never be the same, they wont walk it back.
20 years from now people will still be bitching about the same things.
Just grow the fuck up i say, plenty in life we cant change. Obsessing this much over it is now just getting sad to me.
This may be an overly cynical take, but I feel that Amazon is FAR too woke of a company to produce a faithful portrayal of 40k, no matter what. So in my opinion, best case scenario - They get cold feet and back out before it's too late. Worst case scenario - They shovel out a pile of woke garbage like Rings of power, and when the torches and pitch forks come out, they'll point the finger at either GW or Cavill, or both.
Its a realistic take.
Amazon: Makes Show
Show: Fails
Amazon: Screams buzzwords and blames everyone else.
And exactly no-one was surprised.
Odd that the person asks for it to be lore accurate and mentions the Witcher as an example of screwing the lore, but then proceeds to mention Fallout as being an example of something good. Fallout screwed the lore too.
Its funny ...no its ironic how cavill is becoming more and more like the emperor ...i wonder when cavill will begin making primarchs ...a primarch for each franchise...😮
The thing is, Amazon are not adverse to creating GOOD shows. Reacher and Terminal List are perfect examples of this.
They could decide to put out a show that isn't woke. In order to keep certain people subscribed.
I think that biased Community managers and such are a much bigger problem than people think. These community managers are likely to not communicate the customers concerns to management or CEO.
At this point I would rather they shelve the whole thing than make lore destroying nonsense.
They shall trample all over Warhammer. Games Workshop themselves are beginning to do that with things like female Custodes - it's pathetic.
I recon that if we will get it, then something more like fallout show. Just something that looks like 40k, but doesnt respect the lore really
"Filthy peasants! How dare they! Make the Emperor trans, that'll teach them". - Amazon executive after being informed about the emails.
The people that want to inject the politics into our game have never played a game they never read a novel or bought a codex. They will never spend a dime on it after they destroy it
its all about political power.
@@TheManofthecross GW cares not from where the revenue flows. Only that it flows!
I hope it fails, what's another franchise anyway ?
Amazon: "DEI can't do that! What do they think this is? A Democracy?"
Amazon ruined the wheel of time, i have no confidence in them to do this
I don't believe it will stop them but we shall see.
After the fallout tv show
I think we know the lore is going to be absolutely fucked by Amazon
It's not just Amazon demanding the wokeness. It's the banks and investment types that are also demanding it. If you want a non-woke show, it has to exist in the parallel economy space. You might get a few decent shows from the woke ecosphere but they will constantly be pushing progressivism and they will ruin what you care about in record time. How you spend your money is far more important than you can possibly imagine when it comes to fighting this entertainment trend.
The safest thing they can probably do at this point is call it off.
I personally hope it gets scrapped. They will not make anything good. if they do it will be mid, and kill any other projects WH40k going forward
>Is amazon capable of making a good show?
I guess that depends on your definition of "good". People seem to love the trash that is Fallout, and think that that is "good", so who knows.
Low standerds is way to conmon.
The executives get bonuses based on DEI initiatives, until you get rid of that they will always be motivated to destroy everything. It's going to take a law being passed to stop companies enacting bonus structures that conflict with maximising shareholder return.
Here's my prediction:
They'll make a good first season that still ticks all the DEI checkboxes. Probably something about the Imperial Guard, Sisters of Battle, or following an OC Inquisitor with a suspiciously diverse retinue. Custodes/Space Marines will be hinted at during the season, and there will be a reveal in the final episode.
What I'm not sure about is how far down the DEI rabbit hole they'll go with the reveal... On one hand, they *could* just reveal a Custodes/Space Marine in armor without a face reveal, and then in the *next* season reveal that (to everyone's shock) it was a *female* Custodes/ Space Marine! Maybe at the beginning of the season, maybe in the middle, maybe not until the *end* of the season.
Either way, they'll take a massive dump all over the lore in the process, and claim everyone who doesn't like it is a bigot.
Most critically, they'll put Henry Cavill in an important *sounding* role, let him say his piece, then completely ignore him. That way, when everything goes wrong, they'll still have a convenient fall guy to blame.
... Damn it, I really can already see it now....
If they are going to do that they won't wait until the second season.
@@thomgizziz Only reason they might wait is because they'll scare off the WH40K fans right away, and get poor ratings for the first season.
If they get a good *first* season though, then they can push it to the normies and say "Hey! This show is good! Even the fans like it!" and have the fans back it up. At which point they can insert as much DEI as they wish, and call everyone bigots if they dislike the second season onwards.
Just give Henry Cavill control of the ip, it will EXPLODE!
It's funny, if they wanted to make money and have a success to keep their division alive, they would just need to let him work and profit from his effort. Pity they don't care about either of those.
the only way that happens is cavill does it himself and gets the licenses from gw to do it and then let him do what he wants.
Pray they shelve it and wait for someone based to pick up the IP. What they did to the LOTR universe should be punishable by law.
To make it clear, a Sev-3 can be closed without proper explanation or any real resolution. Amazon standard SLA ticketing policy doesn't require any accountability on any ticket that isn't a Sev-1 or Sev-2. This being a Sev-3 doesn't matter. It doesn't guarantee any kind of actual attention or response.
Source: I work in Amazon OTIT.
Stop emailing companies like this. Stop engaging with them. They do not care about your opinion on anything AND you have zero impact on what they choose to make. They want your outrage and attention at first and you money later, divorce these companies.
You could write it on their walls instead. They can't ignore the walls of their own HQ.
Shut up the only way for anything to change is to get your voice heard these companies don’t give a flying fuck about lgbt or other woke nonsense either but did the woke shut up and sit in the corner
@@lightborn9071 You'd be arrested and fined into oblivion. Go for it if you want. The system is stacked against you.
@@BearPawSwipe Who would dare to stop a peaceful demonstration?
They'd also have to catch you first and how many times does that happen?
@@lightborn9071 Very often if you have the wrong politics but do you. I won't be engaging with it outside of random YT commenting.
Literally, nobody was asking for female Custodians.
If you want my honest opinion, I would love a Sister of Battle as a protagonist because I actually really like them as a faction.
Amazon can have their woman in power armor and still be faithful to the lore.
Why wouldn't they just choose the option to both have their cake and eat it too?
They'll have the same inherent problem as the Halo tv show - it's too big of a spectacle to do justice without spending a fortune on CGI to make it true to the source material?
People who think that fallout got a good adaptation must have a screw loose.
The majority of people are against you and the ones that are with you complain about the lore and then go on a rant about characters being dumb for 2 hours. They only know that the characters are dumb because they have 20/20 hindsight and are too slow to understand that everybody's choices look dumb if you do a postmortem on them.
You aren't bright, you are like the people who screech about pronouns because everybody isn't catering to their specific desires.
I just suffered through reading the Forces of Fantasy army book for the Old World, where I discovered that GW rewrote existing lore to have female Bretonnian knights and men-at-arms.
You can complain about Amazon demanding lore changes for inclusivity sake all you want, but it is clear GW is a fully willing accomplice in this matter.
to be fair in a grim world like warhammer fantasy you need all hands on deck to fight the forces of evil etc so women getting i to the ranks of the knights and men at arms is a thing in practical sense.
@@TheManofthecross It is a change to established lore. They literally re-used lore from older armybooks that they rewrote to make it more inclusive.
More inclusive... we are talking about the most extreme conservative faction that has made laws to enforce social distinctions. The faction that refuses to use modern arms as it conflicts with their view of how society should work. The faction that in previous lore had made it a crime for women to dress like men. The faction which stated in the Fantasy Roleplay that Bretonnian noble women should obey their father before marriage, and their husband after marriage. The faction that refuses to elevate capable but common-born fighters to knighthood to keep it very exclusive.
And yet somehow now Bretonnians are enlightened and inclusive enough to let the gender with a third less muscle mass and lung volume to become its elite warriors?
This has nothing to do with in-universe practicality, but everything with GW forcing social justice into the setting.
@@TheManofthecrossyeah... Except biology denies that. Who idiot is going include female "knights" in medieval army?
I watched Fallout and then pre-emptively cancelled my Amazon Prime. Not entertaining the idea of it until I see they have NOT fucked up any 40K project. Not even considering it until a full season of whatever they make is out, so the don't deliberately screw anything up in the last episodes after getting people intersted.
Sure you did... I bet you also are for all the pronouns in the world because if you aren't then you are a bad person according to your community.
I don’t understand why people make shows and movies knowing it will lose money it blows my mind
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Tye worst part is how easily they could make it "woke" and still make something us 40K fans will like. All they have to do is look at the lore for a minute and they're guaranteed to find a way to do whatever they want in a pore accurate way. They want female Astartes? Use Sororitas. They want female custodes? Use Sisters of Silence. They want Astartes that aren't white? There's dozens of chapters that aren't white and if they need to make them multi-cultural, use the Death Watch. Honestly it might just be me but that would make me like it more because it would show they actually went through the effort to find this lore and implement it.