I'm Worried About The Future Of Warhammer 40K
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Warhammer 40K is a universe famed for its diverse range of factions and characters, each with their own stories to tell and a unique perspective on the grimdark future that makes this universe feel alive. however Games Workshop has been oversaturating both the narrative and model line with Space Marines to the point where the franchise has begun to suffer. as Warhammer 40K gets bigger and bigger, the scope of its storytelling gets smaller and smaller. with the end of the horse heresy, Space Marine 2 about to launch, and Henry cavill's Amazon 40K show coming in the future, this Space Marine problem is primed to get a whole lot worse. let's talk about it.
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0:00 Intro
3:29 What is the Space Marine Problem?
6:48 Impact On The Table Top Game
12:10 Impact On The Books
15:23 The Future Of Warhammer 40K
24:54 Closing Thoughts
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Honestly I'm a bit disappointed by what we've seen in the upcoming game, I was looking forward to a nice campaign similar to the prequel but what we have is hub worlds ugh.
To clarify hub worlds don't feel appropriate for a long war where you are constantly fighting to keep your ground, it breaks the immersion most times. I will wait and see just worried. Sorry I know this is off topic.
@weshammer also love your channel, dawg, and see you in Space Marine 2 BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!
@@imnotgivingyoumyname810 Tbf that's the basic design of xcom style games and I feel that the hub design worked for them. Of course, the narrative does have to account for that fact and ensure that the missions end with us making appropriate progress against the nids.
05:57 saying that GW is "percentage wise more profitable than Google" is GROSSLY misleading. Google's annual profit in 2023 was Over 305 BILLION U$D. While GWs was Less than 0,6 Billion U$D. You make it sound like GW is rolling in more dough than the Top G. Dude they're not even in the same ballpark. They're not even in the same part of town.
I think your community might wanna give it another go, a lot of changes have happened and Space Marines only have one problematic detachment (which is seeing adjustments and nerfs again and again, Ironstorm) and xeno races have been quite decent. Orks are eating good, Necrons are quite strong altough I think wraiths, c'thans and a few other units are doing a lot of the work. CSM is not bad, Eldar was really strong, Drukari had been improved with a new department. All this on top of core rules changes. my main army is Dark Angels, deathwing in particular, but I also have Votann and sisters to keep the game fresh for both me and my opponents.
It is a huge shame that darktide didn’t release properly. As a 40k game it could have come out swinging so much harder
For Atoma!
Yeah Darktide is an amazing game with a lot of QoL issues. Great gameplay, terrible systems. Ashame it has taken them almost 2 years to even get close to addressing these issues.
That game has a severe case of Fatshark.
Lackluster update, the devs are busy slacking off rather than working
that's just fatshark being fatshark they pulled the same shit with vermintide one and two.
It was good a few months back, after Xmas 2023, when my gaming friends and I picked it up cheap in a sale, and we formed a team.
I played a lot around march 2024, and if it had been in that state when it was released, it could have been a big hit.
The developers really shot themselves by releasing it when it was unpolished and buggy as hell. They would be rolling in cash if they'd had their act together and not treated the buying public as Beta testers.
It and Cyberpunk 2077 should be object lessons in the industry, while Balders Gate 3 and Helldivers 2 point at them and laugh.
Yeah it's something we've been complaining about for years, it's like they just ignored xenos in the books and it's sad
Or non-Space Marine, non-Knight and non-Daemon armies.
The Imperial Guard too.
I'd just like more Mechanicus and Astra Telepathica stuff.
Got a soft spot for the humble human psyker.
@@DogseatDogs Plus any army that relies on weight of numbers gets very expensive, very quickly to accumulate enough plastic crack to leverage their 'non-elite' stats.
So orks, nids and IG are well into some big money to get enough of the little guys- its not that I don't think Custodes, Grey Knights and all that are pretty cool for smaller model-count armies, just that its not what everyone wants to play either just to get some table time.
This is not a new problem either. The fact that SpaceMarine subfactions had codexs about them as far back as 3rd edition eating releases when they are literally less than 1000 dudes in a galactic wide setting, should have set the tone for how much special treatment GW gives them.
The Primaris line was introduced solely to get people to repurchase their armies because they produced so many kits over the years their was literally no way to produce more because every possible niche was covered.
@@krissteel4074 Or they switch to fielding armies comprised mostly of tanks, artillery and elite units like Warriors and Scions for 'nid and Guard. With two or maybe three groups of battleline infantry.
They added Legues of Votan 2 years ago and, as far as I know they STILL don't have a lore book.
The brand new faction, with a brand new model range, dose not have a lore book to hype the range. Yet we STILL get more Space Marines
Whats that i hear, the people want another Lieutenant?
It gets worse when you think it took 20 years to reintroduce the squats... x/
women custodes are obviously much more important than space dwarfs,
(I just want Tunder Warriors models🥲)
Honestly I think they messed up the Leagues. They aren't nearly dwarfy enough. There is the parody, bombastic, fun side of 40K that is being neglected. I don't want more generic sci-fi factions. I want the bearded boozin' squats who always mine too deep. They should embrace it rather than try to be so serious.
@@kevinfrost7180 i think if they were going to make thunder warrior models they would've at the start of the heresy bud
"Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only space marines."
I may hate elves, but their models are inexcusable
I think they look fabulous 💅
@@sosomadmantheir models are older than adults you know. They’re not in a good spot by any measure.
At least Howling Banshees, Avatar of Khaine, Dark Reapers and Striking Scorpions are updated. I guess...
@@chillchinna4164 I think I saw someone say that Warp Spiders haven't been updated since 2nd edition
@@inquisitorgrynthebandito2736 they haven't. Neither have the Pheonix Lords. Both model lines are twice the age of your average Space Marine player.
My greatest problem with 40k is too few Noise Marines and Harlequins.
Agreed for Noise Marines
@@rolling-roadkill agreed for harlequins
Definitely backing you up on the Harlequins, they're not even they're own army any more and our one named model is in the SoB army.
Tips one out for Doomrider.
For real the harlequins need more love
What sucks to is, as scary as the Tyranids, chaos, and Necrons are in the lore, they also are used as punching bags for space marines.
How do we show how strong this Space Marine is? Make him 1v1 the Avatar of Khaine. Everybody cheers.
I don't play Warhammer, but have been listening to the Lore from Lutin, Wes, etc. for over a year now. So I don't know everything, but I understand the horror that is a Hive Fleet. That being said, the Imperium will most always be on the winning side because, well, they're "humans." It's fun to read the stories where a Necron 1v50s some SMs but it's never going to be something that is printed all that often because most readers wouldn't relate all that much to it other than perhaps if you main Necrons, or whatever race you may play in the tabletop. I think that's the point Wes here was trying to make too. The bases of the fans is growing more bias toward SMs which is a natural aspect of having SMs on the side of humanity. Its a slippery slope, they need to find a way to make those stories relatable to a broader audience.
Too true. Tyranids should be much harder or easier with more models. Something!
Necrons definitely need to be tougher.
If I had creative control, I would make a Silent King novel series (at least a trilogy), about the Necron civil war, the Silent King vs Imotekh. And of course, which side Necron characters choose to side with.
I would have the Craftworld Eldar making plans to assassinate the Silent King. At the same time, High Marshal Helbrecht of the Black Templars is seeking revenge on Imotekh.
Lastly, I would have the Tau be the wild card faction, where there’s a Necron dynasty still sleeping on one of their worlds. And both the Silent King and Imotekh want to get to that dynasty, for they can turn the tide of the civil war.
That’s what I would want to do.
Oh my god that would be amazing! I honestly cannot believe we haven't gotten a silent king book. A third book in The twice Dead King series would be great too as it kind of sorta ended on a cliffhanger... Even if the main characters story came full circle. If you know you know 😅
Games workshop can be summarized by one ork from Space Marine 1. “I AiNt dOnE wiT yOU yeT sPacE mARinE”
"I ain't so easy to kill (laughs silently)"
Man he's the best Ork character I've ever seen
“Don’t you know who I am?! I’m Boss Grimskull! THIS WHOLE PLANET IS MINE!!!” *ahahahhaha*
He was great, but so was Gorgutz in the Dawn of War games - legendary
Its easy to say that complain now. Just wait for all these complains to die out for months while the whole franchise talks about the return of jagathai.
Then look the fans try to not look like a bunch of hypocrates once they realize how much they boosted the white scars *SP* sales.
@@leandrocastello309 I have never once bought a Space Marine, and the only ones I've painted have been a handful of dismembered ones for the bases of my Orks and Guard.
I feel more like GW is more yelling to the fans "GET OFF MY SHIP SPACE MARINE."
The Infinite and the Divine proves that great storytelling with Xenos as protagonists is possible and profitable. It's a book that comes up as a top 3 to recommend to a newcomer. Aeldari, Leagues of Votann or Tau just need a great author to work their magic. Particularly Elves are so much more popular in other franchises because the writing is better. Black Library may only be 1% of GW profits, but it's hard to gauge how much those book have an effect on what models you buy. And ultimately, using those novels to create a cinematic universe will be the greatest money maker in end. More Xenos please!
The King spittin facts.
Perhaps I could have some lieutenant style models for my xenos armies. A big boss, a shas'el, or a necron lord perhaps?
Eldars need an author that doesn't hate Eldars
I'll add the Twice Dead King to that as well. Turns out existential ancient ghost trapped in metal bodies with biological consciousness conflicted with a mechanical body leads to more interesting writing than big guy with gun shoots bad thing.
Cough cough Gav thorpe Cough!@@indrickboreale7381
I want an Eldar game thats like Space Marine 2 and you play different paths and go in missions with their own story and everything
It'll never happen because 'Spesch Marwine!'
I would also like this, if done well!
Won't make sense if doesn't sell good, Space marine are the poster boys of wh40k. someone who's uninterested in 40k or unfamiliar with it probably still knows about space marines.
My Brother in Christ... When I played in the 2000's and 2010's, 35% of players played Ultramarines... Not just Space Marines, but that Specific Chapter... Space Marines have been "Oversaturated" in the Setting for quite some time.
It's always been a problem. From the very beginning Space Marines were painted as mythic warriors of legend, only spoken of as a fairy tale by the vast majority of the imperium, but then *gestures broadly at everything...
Space Marines should have stayed as mythic warriors of legend, symbols of a bygone era. A niche faction or a limited specialist unit for other imperial armies but their awe & majesty spoken of as near divine.
@helline9 yeah but then how much more of warhammer would have be scaled down? Necrons and the silent king much smaller, chaos crusades etc. Otherwise the imperium would just get steamed rolled
There are 1 million space marines in the galaxy. They aren't the bulwark of the Imperium's defense. They have nothing to do with Titans, Knights etc etc.
Lore wise they are so small they would be insignificant. But yet, here we are, they show up everywhere and influence everything. There are over 1 million colonised imperial worlds that all have their own standing armies. That is one Space Marine per world.
The space marines started out as the imperium beat cops. All the mythic warrior stuff came later.
Back in the Rouge Trader days and even up until maybe half way through 2nd edition The Space Marines were like the Imperial Guard. Then about half way through 2nd Ed's life cycle they introduced the Imperial Guard as its own faction and doubled down on the mythic aspects of the Space Marines and they became TransHuman demigods. The first Space Marines were very very different from the Space Marines of today
This is why I respected Owlcat Games. Yes they added a space marine to the roster, but not until the ass end of act 3 in a 4 act game. Rogue Trader really sold the universe of 40k. I can also say the same for Darktide after the course correction. Not a SM in sight.
But he is still in the game😂
@@Troupe_Master yes but given that your crew at this point is quite varied. It he is present but not important.
@@biscoto3201 hell before you register that he's an Ulfar of the Space Wolves he's more or less just a big ol' flesh eater in the pits. Plus he's not the stoic, Ultramarine image of a SM either. He's got that "I will drink you under the table" attitude and fits in quite well.
Next Darktide update: Death Guard Plague Marine is a boss
Same, I love Rogue Trader. You get this super unique and fascinating group of characters that show off so much of the setting and why it's great. Love Cassia, love Heinrix, love Pasqal... Ulfar's also a great include, since yes, he is a Space Marine, but he's a Space Marine with character who has struggles both internal and external and I really found myself loving the guy, without him becoming a plot black hole.
I want to play a 4X Necron game.
A Tyranid Evolution/Gene Loadout Roguelite.
An Astra Militarum RTS.
HiveCitybuilder
Noise Marine rhythm game
The Grey Knights XCOM-Like that came out a couple of years ago was an excellent usage of the IP.
We could have a Hero Shooter with our favorite figures in the lore.
There's literally no end to the variety they could put out.
Eldar Witcher game.
Honestly 10 edition is a reason why a good majority of players, myself and my friend group included, moved over to horus heresy. If there is gonna be space marine vs space marines battle we might as well play horus heresy with each legions having their own rules.
Id like to see a battlefield style game following a Guard regiment stuck in the horror of a 40k battlefield vs really any faction
Hell yes, but would probably have to be guard vs heretics or nerf the guns of the tau as an opposing team if it were to be balanced
I think a 40k game that follows the format Star Wars Battlefront 2 had would be amazing. You play as a grunt and earn points and with enough points you get to then play as a special class/character. Space Marine, SoB, Tech-Priest, and the same for the other factions.
@@pyerack Been saying this for a long ass time. I'd play the shit outta that.
That's what I've been thinking for the past year, guardsman vs necrons or tyranids or orks or any chaos like nurgle or all that got mentioned for replayability. no micro at all best idea ever money every where
Helldivers style PvE against different factions would be awesome
For all the hype Primarch models generate in 40k, its sooo bad for the lore and overall development of new model lines. Returning Primarchs are like black holes that suck all the attention and story of the whole world of 40k toward them, no one cares what if an Aeldari / Nurgle / Necron warband is doing something to advance the story, its all about what the Primarchs are doing. Just slowly becoming Horus Heresy.
Nobody gave a shit about what the Tau or Eldar were doing even before the Primarchs came back.
@@Xero_Kaiser because there no f@ing good book about them. How can some one care about some thing that doesn't exist
@@Xero_Kaiserbecause you don't like them but other people do 😂 40k has millions of fans and they all love many factions in case you were too ignorant to notice
@@PetrygaLiades-mn6rospeaking of that, have the leagues of votann done anything big yet? I can't remember anything since their release
That is not a new development. I played Warhammer first 20 years ago and even their was Space Marines the most supported Faction. Most Books, Models in every Starting Box, always a fresh Codex. It has never changed a lot.
Oh and please put Nurgle not in the same basket with the other ones. Death Guard is the most flesh out Traitor Legion and they get a lot of lore and books.. The whole Plague War are 5? Novels about Nurgle.
As an Ad mech fanboy I wish we got more named characters instead of just Cawl
I remember reading the "Priests of Iron" omnibus which was supposed to be an admech centric story about an explorator fleet. Half the book focused on a rogue trader from Ultramar who took any opportunity to gush about Ultramarines or that one time he stood relatively close to Cato Sicarius' personal bubble and most of the other half was about *six* Black Templars, including a scene that infuriates me more than almost anything I've ever read: A Techpriest who's studied every martial art known to mankind and was so deadly with his meticulously crafted cybernetic body he got a nickname for killing a catachan monster losing an honor duel to a rookie space marine.
The general rule of thumb is that if it isn't a space marine novel, it's a space marine novel in disguise.
The Great Work - which was mentioned in the Video - has Cawl and Qvo as AdMech characters. Everyone else is a Space Marine.
I think the unfortunate reality of the 40k narrative is that it will always follow what is most profitable for the tabletop. So if space marines are what sell the most then we'll get space marines
But it’s self fulfilling as if all you sell is space marines then…
@@wephilips6651 you’re just gonna get more space marines. GW is a business first before anything else, so regardless of what people say they are always going to follow the money (which is space marines)
@@wephilips6651 It's a feedback loop.
None of it will change because GW wanted SMs to be the posterchild for the tabletop and made them the jack of all trades, meaning they're the easiest to learn, meaning most newcomers stuck with them, meaning that the demand went up while the other armies went down, meaning people keep buying SMs in bulk so GW keeps pandering to it which makes them keep SMs as the posterchild.
Rinse and repeat.
I sit here with like my three or four new tyranid models just happy I have my Bugs
Until there's nothing left for the space Marines to fight, and it all collapses.
I haven't played the tabletop in a while so I didn't know it had gotten that extreme on the imperium side. This feels like a bubble that'll bust, and the tabletop scene will be difficult to rebuild. But if gets built in the first place, it can be rebuilt.
I love 40K and SM... but FFS we need FAR more stuff about the Xenos and Human factions. It's unbearable
I feel if they did this, it would just be them getting their asses kicked by space marines.
@Tacoguy1000 Yeah, but at least they would exist, even if narrative speaking new stuff is ass and in rules they suck, even a couple new cool looking modles per faction would be a very nice change compared to SpaceMarine ad infinitum.
Here’s something that you didn’t bring up it would be bad if all space marines were forced on us but it’s always the ultra marines or dark angels and a few others but GW has just forgotten about the Iron Hands, Raven Guard etc compared to the others they get nothing it’s always just about the same chapters and that makes it so much worse to me
Have to admit it, I avoid Space Marine books like the plague. Astartes aren't just overrepresented, they're boring. Changing the color of their armor doesn't help.
If they need to focus so heavily on the Imperium, they could at least focus on something new. Hell, let there be a Unification Wars series.
Yes. Give us more Eldar. Give us more kins of the Leagues. Give us more Orks. Give us more Tau. Love the beakies, but they do feel over used.
This was something ive been terrified of since they brought back a Guilliman.
No other story line will bring as much Hype as a primarch returning.
So, theyll want to bring the others back 1 by 1 to cause big flux's in attention
But once theyre all back.. where do they go from there?
The only place left to go, is the End Times
>Russ' last words before vanishing were "At the end I will be there. For the final battle. For the Wolftime."
>All but confirmed to be the next Primarch to return
Yeah it's over. Better hope they renovate HH into 40k Old World.
Umm no fuck? 😂 you think the civil war is going to end in rainbows and hugs?
They have been hinting at that for a while they saying the future is chaotic and in ruins
It is the year is 2040, the new space marine chapter release was once again a raging success for GW. With that Codex they are now close to finishing all 1000 SM chapters. Bill rummages through the old GW storage room and stops. That's odd, what is this? In the very corner there is a shelf with boxes. He wipes away the thick dust on the sign of the shelf. XENOS it says. He blows away the dust on the boxes. Thats odd. On it are models that are clearly GW design, yet they.... are not of space marines! He frowns, thinking back on all the space marine books he has read over the years. Never had he come across descriptions of figures that look like the models in front of him. Everyone knows it has always just been space marines vs space marines. An ever ongoing war of infighting. Was he to believe that there were OTHER factions in the universe as well? No that couldn't be, that would be to absurd. After all he had kept up with every new release of GW over the years. It has always just been Space Marines. 💀
Tbh i would love for them to expand on the non-human parts of the universe (OUR UNIVERSE) that also have functional civilizations
Started to notice this like 5 years ago
I initially started with Marines, like everyone
But then saw Chaos and thought 'so i get the space marines, but more options, variety in model types, funky magics, even daemons!'
But over the years.. the Chaos line expanded ny like 2 options.
And marines kept getting more and more variety
To the point it was feeling like they were just getting re-skins of the unique chaos stuff i liked
Gunpla fans have been suffering from this as well.
You are spot on with the re-skins, in reality GW could just sell weapon upgrade sprues for the intercessor boxes and call it a day but they make more money selling a different kit. Personally, I don't care since I have a 3D printer and can just buy a single intercessor box and magnetize for all the options. Tournament legal too as most of the model is GW. Sucks for those that don't have a 3D printer but they get cheaper and cheaper so GW is going to have problems if they don't change.
Not everyone started with Space Marines 😭
All I want is a Sister of Silence series. Just give us like like a solid 3-5 books. They are one of the most interesting and under-used factions in the setting.
The dialogue would be a breeze to write...
Have you read or listened to "the beast" series?
It bears consideration. However 40K fans need to take lessons from star wars and learn from it. Living long enough to see your favourite franchise become popular has spelled doom for most of them.
While I can respect walking on eggshells with this topic, I also think you're free to share your thoughts. You weren't splashing around Hate-a-rade for attention; you're genuinely concerned for the future of the franchise. Like you said, too much of one thing (space marines, in this case), will lead to 40K getting Flanderized, tossing the other factions and content into the bin. Thank you for sharing your opinions!
I still think the amazon show shouldnt be about the horus heresy. I really want it to be about the guardsmen fighting a brutal battla with no hopes of survival.
Have it start out as every movie. Introduce a character, quickly tell us about him and his motivation, make the audience believe after the first few minutes he is the main character.
And then kill him off in the most brutal way. Just the first 10 minutes are normal and then hit us with the brutal reality of the w40k universe. Would be kinda funny if henry cavil would play this quick role
Eh...at a certain point you end up with the Walking Dead or Game of Thrones problem where you're so busy subverting expectations and proving that "nobody's safe" that you end up killing off all the characters people actually give a shit about.
No, that would be dumb.
@@marcusweathers3070what do you hope happens?
@@Xero_Kaiser....welcome to Warhammer 40,000
@@Dyno2999 There's no specific thing that I hope happens, there is just a list of things that may be cool. There is a near endless supply of interesting events and characters that could be involved, so many that I can't really just choose one. I am more of the mind of "wait and see". As Kaiser said though, OP's idea is too reminiscent of Gome of Thrones and The Walking Dead, both shows that started good but became massively disappointing and stale.
I am not conflicted, your fears are grounded.
Us Xeno players where never loved....
You should have known the moment you learned the basics of the 40k universe that the fate of a xeno's fan/player would be miserable...
have you played Rogue Trader by Owlcat? You won't complain about Xenos after that
@@ulquiorraschiffer1956 Can't play orks, not interested.
As someone who makes models for living, primarily focusing on Space Elves / Chaos, I can guarantee you it's only because it sells. They keep making them, because people keep buying them. I have a moderately sized community of fellow Space Elves army / model enthusiasts but nothing compared to those who make Big Space Marine Proxies, that shit sells like hot cakes / gets the likes.
Big Boys sell, plain and simple
There used to be a time when Space Marines would get multiple codices per edition while many prominent factions had to wait a decade or so for an update (and sometimes even then, like with Sisters, the "update" was a lackluster White Dwarf index). No new models, no quarterly balance updates, nothing. Dark Eldar had precisely three plastic kits (the Ravager and Asdrubael Vect kits were just Raiders with extra metal bits) from 1998 to their range refresh in 2010. The only reprieve from near-total neglect the Guard could hope to have until their 2007 range refresh and brand spanking new codex that everyone else complained was broken was Forge World's Imperial Armor books (not to mention that most of the Guard's miniature releases between 1998 and 2007 were new metal regiments that basically consisted of an infantry squad, a heavy weapons team, and a command squad. The current plastic Catachan Jungle Fighter sculpts haven't been updated in over 25 years). Sisters were still using metal models from 2nd edition until *they* got a full range refresh in 8th edition over 20 years later. Space Marines, however, got new models and codices with every edition, often more than once.
I would so love if Black Library would let Graham NcNeill loose and write several books on the fall of the Eldar and hopefully not a single mention of a Space Marine.
I hope they never cover the dark age of technology or the war in heaven, but do cover the other things.
If you describe it, it isn't a dark age anymore. It's not a black box of infinite possibility where you can pull out impossible technology to make a point about what changed.
And the war in heaven, if ever described, needs to be told like a myth. Light on detail, light on dialogue, heavy on metaphor and exaggeration, no subtlety at all, 200% ham and tropes. It's gotta be right up there with the Illiad or The Romance of the 3 Kingdoms.
Because if it ever gets told remotely grounded, same deal as the dark age of technology. It stops being a thing of myth and legend and "oh fuck, as bad and ridiculous as 40k is, this is just the rubble of an unimaginable golden age long past" which a key part of the vibe of 40k.
Those events need to stay unimaginable. There's plenty of stories to tell from before and after those events to fill 10 lifetimes of lore and models
@@kylejohnson6775 Yeah, those should just remain a myth as it is now.
I would love to see books about the War in Heaven, but if the Leagues of Votann do not get a book soon I will riot.
What kinda sucks about this is we don’t even have certain space marine Legions. Let me have Raven Guard without having to buy upgrade kits a/or awkwardly buy boxes that I’ll only partially use.
This, 100%
I can see how it will become a problem if we stay on Space Marines cuz it's not only Space Marines you have the extra militarum and others but one thing that I can say for certain is we do need to focus on the majority of 40K and not just the big blueberries
My game store is in a similar position where its like 90% Space Marines players. When I got into the game during 9th and told everyone Id be playing Tau, everyone cheered cause everyone is just sick and tired of the Space Marine mirror.
I think for now GW going full Space Marine is profitable, but I do think in the longrun, it's just not profitable. So sure, GW got away with Primaris to basically sell Space Marine players their own army to themselves, but eventually, eventually, the well will run dry again. This is unsustainable at this rate. Then what? Add Cawls twin brother, Belarosias Bawl and he came up with Primaris Marines.... 2!
Ultra primaris marines! Oh wait... they have those already
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Right?! They are on point!
I don't know man why do I find those in only warhammer channels 😂
Wait what? I’m so confused
@@mithunbalaji8199 warhammer fans must be the horniest of fandoms
Was that the "robot uprising" that the lore talked about!?😂
It's not that all other factions deserve representation, it might even be damaging if you represent a faction to closely as it kills the mystery. Did I love The infinite and the divine. Yes, I read it twice in quick succession. Did it remove a lot of what was creepy about the Necrons? Yes, it absolutely did. I remember playing the Dawn of War games ages ago, the Necrons were quite frightening and intense as a adversary. I can't remember being affected like that in a RTS ever, and The infinite and the divine removed some of that fear. Lore focused on our beloved adversaries or say the age of strife are trickier to get right as you do not want to kill the mystery. Having a book focusing directly on an event in the age of strife would be hugely risky, as an example, writing a book focusing on a mech priest finding a forgotten data bank on the same subject would be much better in my opinion, optimally leading to more questions than answers.
40k becoming mainstream is a problem, because GW would want to appease Shareholders more and more and that is counterproductive to creativity and good writing.
I fear that a new End Time is approaching, goodbye to Slaanesh and everything good
Yes but how many space marines could a space marine, space marine if a space marine could space Marine, space Marines?
bout 3 fiddy
@@TheShadow6391 lol too funny too early, almost spit my coffee out
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If Halo can churn out books about forerunners and ancient humans then 40k can cover some xenos factions just as well.
They didn't though, they did like what, 4 or 5 books that involved them. 40k has dozens of books not about space marines
@@JJJBunney001 ones an older franchise than the other. Halo has been adding more lore to the story line and most of it doesn't even fit or make sense. Alien crab space dust. Endless. Sanshayum-ancient human alliance. What does that have to do with the Human Covenant War?
They literally have non-human focused novels though...
@@pyerack my point is, like weshammer is stating, there's too much focus on space marines. We need more from the 40k universe than brother cornius and captain cringius have a duel to regain "honor"
Those books are garbage tho.
Within the space marine problem there exists a subsequent Ultramarines problem. I believe they have focused too hard on marines, but I understand that they're trying to update their most popular faction.
Hmmm... Warhammer needs an a batshit insane animated series from the point of view of the Orks.
I think one of the best examples of the Space Marine problem is the Salamanders. By the standards of Space Marines, they are underdeveloped and lacking in lore, now if you compared to some Xenos factions... Well even not counting Horus Heresy, they still have more lore than entire factions. One, underdeveloped chapter, has more lore, than entire Xenos factions.
Sad that the most brilliant, well written, and fun 40k video game title isn't really mentioned in the comments:
Mechanicus
Still need to play that one :P
*toasters*
Best game fr
criminally underrated game and the OST is just amazingly resonant. I already loved turn based games in the vein of XCOM so putting a game like that in the 40k universe was a slam dunk for a player like me. Can't wait for Mechanicus II.
@@jamesh2321i played battle sector and I loved that game so much, and honestly when I heard people talk about Mechanicus I never played it because I thought there’s no way it’s as good as my little Blood Angel babies. But it sounds like I should finally give it a go!
LOL right as I was saying in my head: "OH AND DONT EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE LACK OF ANYTHING RELATED TO THE LEAGUE OF VOTANN," you say "can we get a freakin' Votann novel?"
You get me, Wes. You get me.
Main problem hedge funds investors like Blackrock puts there dirty corrupt fingers into the company...
I wouldnt mind some nice book series focusing on Harlequin Solitaires.
Done right this would be amazing! There is one in The Masque of Vyle and Andy Chambers' Path of the ... series.
Part of the solution is probably finding ways to make more baseline human-centric table top armies for the setting. Like raiding parties of pirates and gangers who function like a blend of eldar corsairs and orks, or an equivalent to a "neighborhood watch" patrol from a hive city, augmented with some manufactorum workers wielding industrial equipment as heavy weapons, with an Arbites officer as the warlord. Because you're right, space marines aren't really people anymore, and that makes them less compelling as characters. Developing new armies that highlight the contrast of regular people in the absurd monstrosity of the setting could be much more compelling.
They used to kind of do this with the Imperial Guard. They used to have loads of different regiments that had entirely different experiences, beliefs, fighting styles and, most importantly, models. This was initially the case, but this was expensive both in labour and materials, so they condensed the guard into the regiments people bought: the Cadian Shock Troops and the Catachan Jungle Fighters. Now all of the guard is just Cadia barring a few exceptions. Space Marines seem to be doing this exact same thing to the entire hobby.
Bring back varied regiments
I completely agree with your opinion on this WES there is so much more to be explored. Instead of continuing to bring chapters and primarchs back, they should look into killing some off. To me, a sense of impermanence in 40k would be a good thing, kill off a successor chapter every once in awhile. I feel it would keep people more engaged and wondering. Just like in game of thrones, they did a good job at showing no one is safe, and also telling the story from so many different angles , not just the most "popular" ones. I myself am a player of space Marines. But first and foremost I am a fan of 40k. I feel for and enjoy all factions, and wish everyone had the depth and diversity of content and models that we do.
As a new collector of Space Marines, my biggest issue isn't the 11 different poses of lieutenants. The problem is the vast product line you need to collect to have a complete army.
I don’t trust gw with the war in heaven or anything eldar related, you can thank Thorpe for that and the fact not a single writer at bl wants to write eldar.
But yes, bl in general do need to write more from xenos and chaos perspectives. Adb for example needs to go finish that black legion trilogy. The idiom is variety is the spice of life.
Talon of horus was so good and I am excited to start Black legion
I learned to stop asking for Eldar stuff after Mr. Thorpe got a series. ABD _wants_ to write Eldar, but he won't because he needs to pay the bills (according to himself).
You know it’s a problem when my main reason for wanting to play space marine 2 is to actually see tyranids in a game
Have you tried Deathhulk: Spacewing
@@BRYSONM96it's just genestealers, it isn't real tyranid army
That's why I'm a bit annoyed that the "real" antagonist of the game is likely going to be chaos. Tyranid fans just can't win...
@@lynco3296 We really need more of the inverse. The story starts off as a Chaos incursion, but then some other threat comes in and kicks both sides asses until the Space Marines pull a victory out of their butts. That'd be more appealing than the inverse that is seen 99% of the time.
Exactly
I have no idea what you’re on about for the 10th edition meta. Eldar melted everybody for the first 6 months, and from then until now it’s been just about everybody but space marines on top of the metagame.
It's the difference between casual gaming and tournament gaming. Honestly the topic could warrant its own video but the gist is that a hyper specific list melting through tournaments is not really a good indicator of a factions balance.
The vast majority of games played are at the casual level. Like for instance my necrons were considered OP because of Ctan and wraith spam, but outside of a tournament necron players weren't running that. The rest of the book was ass. I never played against the broken eldar list but I did fight eldar quite a few times in early 10th in a casual setting and they were totally fine.
But Space Marines were different. Their core special detachment rule that gave the entire army full re-rolls to hit and wound against a single target was busted in the casual meta and there was no avoiding it. You couldn't just choose not to use that rule like you could choose to not bring guiliman or blade guard vets.
What that rule did was make it impossible to play with a cool centerpiece model as it's what would get targeted without fail every single time. I tried playing my silent King against Space Marines three times and in all three games he was angilated before getting to do anything. Eventually he got shelfed and it was the same for everyone else's big cool centerpiece models.
You could bring them in reserves, but the Space Marine player would just wait until that happened to use their ability. What I'm getting at is it just wasn't fun. You could lean hard into the meta and use a net list to counter it but then you weren't playing with the models you wanted to.
Again this is all from the casual pickup game experience, not the tournament scene
Also, I am 110% okay with Yarrick returning to life. I love that dude. “Even we Astartes must respect that name!”. Yeah, he’s badass.
Yeah, Space Marines are a problem. Probably the worst really, and the Eldar need actual focus.
pancreasnowork, is that you?
@@squgieman Last I checked, Pancreas doesn't have a Dark Angels army on his shelf.
@@starhammer5247 elves are elves. Pancreas will rightly simp for them all the same
@@thomashayhurst6547 That he will. It's just unfortunate that the elves haven't gotten any new lore in seven years.
Just because you like something doesn't mean your a simp stop being a toxic incel..@@thomashayhurst6547
Nids can become more horrorific.
Necrons can awake more war-like models.
Tau can create better armors and suits.
Eldar MUST focus on their gods to fight Chaos and bring their species back. As a consequence, better technology is rediscovered.
Dark Eldar could become "Chaos Eldar" by accepting Slaanesh as their fate to then expand to the rest of the Dark Gods in desperation to save themselves.
Orks should get a feral look yet get better weapons and armors since there could be less Warbosses but far stronger and "Intelligent"
IG must get better equipment ASAP. Maybe the Dwarves can help
On behalf of the dark eldar please no. Keep the slaanesh bs away. We don’t need slaanesh to survive.
What's your point
@@emiledupuis545 That GW is currently need better imaginative writers with like-mindedness all while not afraid to potentially offend anyone and I mean anyone to deliver better products, so they can organically expand their lore
EVEN CHINESE GACHA GAMES FROM A CERTAIN COMPANY HAVE WAY BETTER LORE BUILDUP THAN THEM, in just shorter amount of years
Space Marines have essentially been written into a corner. Before the primaris upgrade, the lore had the Astartes using war gear 10k years old with no technological innovation, so every time GW tried to introduce a new unit or vehicle it became "of course we can use the Deus Ex Machia Mk II that we've had for the last 10 thousand years and just haven't deployed before." After the primaris introduction, it's much easier to introduce new models and vehicles, but lore wise it still crashes against a setting where technological innovation is literally Heresy and can get you burned at the stake or worse. Writers can, of course, write stories about other factions without changing anything fundamental to their lore or technology, but that won't let GW sell more models. There's a huge difference between writing good stories and writing stories to sell products, and GW is focused on the latter. WH40k lore has become the equivalent of the Saturday morning cartoon show that only exists to sell action figures.
Disagree about the Drukhari, we don´t need more chaos there is enough of that already.
But there are things they could do with the Drukhari.
The demons have invaded Commeragh through Khanes gate.
The Drukhari have no weapons against them, in their desperation they tried to get a DNA sample of the Emperor wanting to clone him, to use his might to once again push the demons out.
Well it failed.
So the Drukhari now have to use different methods, so we could see new horrifying creations from the Drukhari, things that where created ot try and stop the demons but failed and are now being used on the battlefield to kidnap even more people.
Either that or just give us all our old characters back.
As a newcomer to 40k who is interested more in the stories, I would like to see to see a book about an Administratum clerk who ends up joining a pirate crew after his superiors decline to pay the ransom. The other main character and his unlikely love interest is a young lady with a short temper, a knack for violence, and has her signature twin bolt pistols.
On the Black Library front, there are hundreds of competent authors in our community who want to tell stories that do not focus on Space Marines, but the Black Library aren't interested. Whenever they open to submissions, it's always angled towards the Astartes, even if not done so explicitly. I submitted a pitch for a radical Inquisitor who cares more about saving the woman he loved and the general people of the Imperium than serving it, but they don't want that.
They want status quo, it's all they'll ever want.
Fully agree Wes. As much as I Iove the Space Marines, I much more love the enormously wide 40k universe as a whole. There's a huge amount of untapped potential in the other factions. It's painful to see -for example- barely a handful of novels about Farsight and Shadowsun next to hundreds of marine novels, or such little exploration of the many subfactions next to marine chapters/legions, which themselves are just subfactions too. I really hope we get the good ending you describe!
PLEASE GOD JUST GIVE ME NEW ELDAR MODELS AND NOVELS
As long as they're not written by Gav Thorpe.
Lelith Hesperax will get a novel next month. Written by Mike Brooks. Lets hope for a banger ^^
Conspiracy theory time:
GW knows that no matter how mainstream they get, tabletop gameplay will remain niche. At the current price point, it's tremendously profitable despite this. They believe (probably correctly) that Space Marines have the best chance of mainstream appeal. They're trying really hard to monetize their IP to a wider audience and open up big enough alternate revenue streams to depend less on volatile tabletop market. Space Marines are best for this and draw people towards Black Library, their second most profitable use of their IP currently. An even smaller percentage will become tabletop players, the current primary cash cow. Those new people will most likely start with Space Marines. GW has been accused of making new codexes OP to drive model sales. GW now just treats the other factions as rotating groups they can make OP for a bit to encourage the whales of tabletop gaming: competitive players. If they successfully go mainstream and the majority of their revenue starts coming from media, they will probably just focus on what's already popular.
TLDR: GW is a model company that wants to be an IP/media company. They make a ton of money on models. They think they'll make more if they can mainstream Space Marines. On tabletop, other factions have become rotating flavor of the month for the competitive scene to maximize the smaller numbers of people currently driving most of their revenue. All their future growth prospects are designed around making Marines more popular.
Missing the entire fact that they have always been the poster boys and a staple of the game. They are well rounded and a forgiving starter army. I suppose I'm fine with it. But there is such a thing as too much.
Price jacking kits up from $50 to $100 Australian over a few years killed 40k for me, my friends and family.
Space Marines 2 had better be polished on release, they should learn from Darktides mistakes.
And as for Cavill's series, if they've got any brains they should let him have at least some creative control so that it's not a clusterf....
Not even sure if it’s going to happen at this point
@@CMTechnica why not?
Amazon wanting to force DEI and lore breaking changes, lack of a workable script as of yet (allegedly), henry’s dedication to lore accuracy to name the few ive heard
@@colonelturmeric558 That literally came from a shitpost on 4chan that ended with "Trust me, my dad works for Nintendo."
As someone who once wanted to get into the Tabletop, the prices and the lack of Custodes/Tau units in shops turned me off from getting into it. The main shop I visited for models had around 2 dozen different Astartes kits and LITERALLY NO OTHER FACTIONS! The Space Marine Problem is something that will definitely kill the franchise if not fixed IMMEDIATELY.
It's just a money sink, don't do it.
@@pyerack especially now. The tabletop used to be fun even in later editions. It's just getting worse and worse.
The only way to end the “space marine problem” is to stop buying space marines start focusing on other armies and demanding stories/lore/books/games focusing on those factions. Ppl complain about space marines but keep buying more space marines
this is basically what data-based creative direction looks like. You made space marine content, people recognize space marine, space marine gain traction, you opt to make space marine subsequent content because the other lack traction, people recognize space marine further, repeat ad nauseum.
edit: ok you mention that 5 minutes in
Also, I think it needs to be mentioned that the Space Marines are way cooler when seen by normal people. A Space Marine doesn't belive that the Empror is a god, understand they cannot physically understand fear and realises their role as the shield of humanity, a tool rather than a person. A normal person sees a Space Marine as the God Empror of Mankind's angels, dropping from the sky in shuttles of steel to fearlessly smite down the ennemies of humanity. The normal soldier sees him unleash the holy bolter's wrath to tear down foe's that their lasgun couldn't dream of taking down.
As a first person perspective, Space Marines are about "wow cool futuristic soldiers" (and often need to be nerfed for story's sake, or randomly jerked off way too much during high stakes scenes).As a third person perspective, Space Marines are religious icons who allow you to fully grasp the vibe of the imperium.
THIS! a 40k tv should build up to showing a space marine not start at that level
I don’t understand why people don’t think the first Cavill project isn’t obviously going to be Eisenhorn.
I heard Henry walked away because the show has become a woke joke
Mainly because nobody has tapped the author of the series to weigh in on it at all, I would think. But it does make sense to have an Inquisitor be the focal point character as he can then interact with every other faction and it not be lore-breaking. Another good choice would be a tech-priest or anyone from the Schola Progenum. Hell, we have 3 great named Commissar characters and they're a tiny fraction of the IG.
@@LastManStanding777it’s all bait, none of the articles or pictures spread online actually have a real source, and Cavill hasn’t said anything about it so (hopefully) it might actually be lore accurate
The thing with the space marines is that not only are they the flagship faction for the game, they're also at the tail end of replacing the entire faction. Since the end of 7th and the start of 8th, the goal has been to retire most firstborn models and replace them with primaris equivalents. When you factor that in, then the marine releases don't seem quite so excessive, and I expect that, while they will still make some releases, we'll likely see them slow down from where they were in the last two editions.
Personal anecdote not at all meant to make a specific point.
I first learned to play 40k with 3rd edition. I then stopped playing at the start of 6th edition due to the same reason so many other people did.
I decided to try to get into tenth edition as a friend of mine was also interested in trying their hand at the game.
Currently, due various reasons, I have 2.5 unopened armies.
One unopened army of 'nids, still in box
One unopened army Eldar, still in box
One half open/half built army of Dark Angles.
So, I started painting my old Dark Angels, hoping to just give them a nice gussy-up.
Half-way through a tac-squad, I saw that basically every mini I planed on painting, had painted, or were still yet-built for my marines, were now not viable in 10th.
So, before jumping the gun, I went to see if what I currently had for Eldar or 'Nids were playable. I didn't need some uber-master-meta list, just viable enough to have at least a chance at winning against another casual army.
Sadly, everything I had had been left behind by the game, so even a casual match against a casual list would probably be a shut out for me.
Yes, 30k and HH are a thing, but they're not the thing either my friend or anyone at my LGS are playing.
So, my options are: Buy a lot of new models, 3D print a lot of new models, convince my one friend to invest in a pair of minimally supported game.
It's not an untenable situation, but I have so many fantastic options right now from other games that I have to ask "Why go through so much effort just to start playing this game, when I'm already happy with the other games in my life?"
So, I just don't play.
TBH, Near invincible trans-human super soldiers make for overall weak protagonists. I want to hear about aliens that barely survive enslavement from their masters, I want to hear about metallic mummies doing a pre-emptive assault against the ultimate predator, I want to hear about living as a castrated man, or even better: woman, that has to organize with their blue neighbors against an invading demonic force. I want to hear about the unstoppable green tide meets the immovable clone army of general ChatGPT. Why focus on just 1 faction when there are so many interesting and diverse factions around, with different strengths and weaknesses.
There’s also that other rumour running around of Creative Assembly’s Total War game set in Warhammer 40k. It’ll really suck if 80% of the playable factions are just different variations of Space Marines.
If they're smart they'll probably have a single Space Marine Faction, and the rest is just the rest of the Warhammer Factions,
lmao That rumor was debunked. Only a doofus would believe it in the first place.
@@murrayrothbardgaming7567 I could imagine that you will have the Space Marines as a "race" and then the Ultramarines, Salamanders etc as faction like they have in TWW3, were for example the High Elfs as a race are split into Eataine, Avelorn etc.
Ultrasmurfs and Black Templars. No more and no less (hopefully)
@@LifeofSquidMann Maybe they could make their own Space Marine Chapter like how the Dawn of war Games did
I just wish they would give the Imperial Guard a bit more than "you held out until the Space Marines showed up" stories.
I have hope. There is much chatter about 40k becoming a Total War game. And as much as CA has messed up with the fan base for their current games (Warhammer fantasy), they have done a great job at making an absolutely amazing level of diversity of factions. They have even had black librarians making short stories for Cathay and Kislev for more lore. So hopefully, if the chatter is true, the other factions will be getting some love as they get released in the game. But thats the hope ^-^
Dude, I think a huge percent of their sales that comes from people that don't even play the game. I buy and paint the models, get the codexes of the factions on painting and read the books. I haven't played the game in 20 years.
I collect and paint Orks, Chaos and Dark Angels.The only time I played in the last 20 years was when my girlfriend's teenage niece was staying with us and wanted to know what the cool-looking models were for. We played a version of 2nd edition based on my memories of how it went. The modern versions sound like over-complicated sales drivers to me.
@@filteredjc4653 If I ever played again it would definitely be using 2nd ed rules.
I’d definitely make a major push for more sisters of silence/battle stuff, as I think they’re both incredibly underrated. Plus, after the whole female Custodies debacle, it makes me fear that space marines are gonna get the same treatment.
If/when that happens, the fallout is gonna make the Horus Heresy look like a slapfight.
@@LifeofSquidMann I'm sure Games Workshop will miss all of those people whose sole consumption of 40k is wikis and youtube videos about Space Marines who would be mad if there were women added to the Space Marines.
@@matthewgagnon9426 But hey, that'll mean more people taking up older editions or even other game systems so maybe it wouldn't be all bad.
To be fair a lot of people will complain that even if all the space marine books stop, the guard will take over and people will still complain. I think the complaint is that anyone person favorite isn’t the favorite.
Guard player here (specifically steel legion) - there are 7 space Marine armies, yet we can't get regiments back in plastic because no one would buy them??????
The Marine upgrade kits are actually what turned me off to them. Your models are already expensive, why do I need to buy a whole other kit for them just for flavor? Only to switch to Knights and find the condition the Ceratus box-- or boxes are in. For context, my first Knight was a Questoris. You can imagine my surprise pikachu face when shopping for my tall boi and realized I couldn't have all of it's loadouts in a single, convenient box.
Is this sustainable? No, frankly it's bullshit. Votann has been done dirty, and other factions could use more love. Honestly, I would pay GW extra just to NOT make anymore space marine content/minis for a year.
But, is it profitable in the now and near future? Yes.
The biggest problem with GW is GW if you look at the way they do manifacturing, marketing and almost every other important part of a successful business they have a strategy that went out of style in the 90s but because they pretty mich have a monopoly they dont realize how much they are hurting themselvs
I want a Votann vs Orc vs Necron book. Make it happen GW
I stoped playing 40k last year when I walked into my local gameshop for casual saturday warhammer games and of all twenty people they were all playing space marines with hyper meta builds, the only other guy that played a xenos race hadn't shown up in well over two months and everyone was real pushy to play me, because I play old school orkz with a bunch of boyz and mechs, easy to beat but fun to play. But when all I am as a player in both the eyes of Gamesworkshop and space marine players is a easy victory for their precious, most specialest space boys, it gets insulting real quick. Now all I do warhammer wise is paint 3rd party legally distinct orkz and play total war warhammer.
I agree also i dont like how overpowered space marines are sometimes depickted when the destroy for example necrons or Eldar left right and center
I'm thinking it's actually the right thing to do right now. Space marines are going to be the majority of people's introduction to the universe. You're right that there are likely to be a lot of newcomers coming soon. So for them, the table is set, they can jump in and there's all you can eat on space marines. However, as these newcomers start settling in, they'll start wanting to diversify. That's when you'll see more about the orks, eldar, necrons and chaos. That's when the releases will change up a bit.
You're not wrong here, you're just ahead of the curve and those of us already in this world will just need to be patient whilst everyone else catches up.
The interesting thing, I think is, is predicting what the zeitgeist will latch on to after the space marine introduction. I think someone like Fabius Bile or Trazyn the Infinite could be where we go afterwards. But they need to be established first (which they are now) before we go in deep with our new fans.
I feel GW needs to let on the whole Profit thing with the space marines and work on the other xenos factions. if they do keep this up 40K will get boring.
Not only are Space Marines the protagonist, the main antagonist of the setting is also more space marines(CSM)
Space marine 2 hype may backfire. There are already half confirmed rumors that the game will feature season pass and if there is something players hate more than unfinished "early access" games for full price it is season pass in team games.
Season Pass is just cosmetics and all content like missions , weapons ,story content and stuff is free. There really isn't anything to whine about. Other than the game is about Space Marines 😂
Season passes already confirmed to be just cosmetic I couldn’t care less if they want to do that it sure beats loot boxes that inherently make a difference in gameplay with better weapons stored inside. This game was delayed a year to be sure it comes out the most polished I have a lot of confidence in this game and the way it’s set up
SM1 did the same thing by locking specific game modes behind DLC as well as cosmetic. Nothing has changed.
Most people start out as space marine fans and will later move on to other factions.
Space marines are the vanila of warhammer 40k.
Space Marines account for the majority of GW sales and are by far the most iconic part of Warhammer, so naturally a company that has to turn a profit will focus on its best seller.
"Imagine if 80% of new people joining the game play space marines"
Damage 3 spam list goes brrr even harder than before.
As a tau player, im still over here . Where's our other races why cant i get my kaiju in in a battlesuit as a super heavy or wolf boys troopers or any of the dozen aliens that are part of the tau enclave
I feel like this is a pretty common thread in this community now. I agree on most fronts but disagree that it would impact much. 3D printing exists and there are tons of folks who are creating models while GW doubles down on what is easiest.
You’re not allowed to use models that are not released by GW in official games and tournaments.
@@1003JustinLaw Cool. Considering none of that is mandatory, I am sure we will survive.
@@1003JustinLawwe know, we just don’t play those games
@@1003JustinLawMost people aren't competitive players
@@BearPawSwipeexactly 😂GW will eventually stop having books written about anything other than Space Marines and won't update the lore for them either.
BUT HEY at least we can make our own unofficial models right?...
You sound disingenuous ASF...
If GW released a range of tau auxiliary races i would spend so much money on that.